IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-06-28

00:43 <MTughan> Anyone know what happened to MilkyWay?

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01:45 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:45 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sx

01:45 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

01:45 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

01:45 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:20 AM CEST; Unknown. High:69 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F.; Clear. High:78 F.; Clear. Low:57 F.; Chance of Rain. High:84 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:62 F.;

01:45 <MTughan> Do you have a script for saying "moin"? You say it in 5 channels so fast.

01:46 <yoyo[RKN]> no

01:46 <yoyo[RKN]> just using the right irc command ;)

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03:15 <MTughan> Hmm... Remember vomitory? He's now almost telling off a staffer because he thinks he was wrongly banned in #gentoo.

03:17 <Hodapp> blah.

03:17 <Hodapp> I went to #gentoo once.

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09:17 <CoderForLife> APOD wow

09:17 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

09:52 <wdsmia> *lo Don

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10:38 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

10:39 <wdsmia> sunday morning lag lol

10:40 <Hodapp> hello people

10:41 <Hodapp> hrmm... I have this OpenSSI cluster and I'm trying to see if there's some conceivable way I can just run one BOINC process and make it treat the cluster like a 16-CPU system

10:42 <PovAddict> BOINC and science apps communicate via shared memory

10:42 <Hodapp> I see...

10:42 <PovAddict> I doubt you can have shared memory across nodes :)

10:43 <Hodapp> Well, that's basically what SSI does at some level

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10:43 <PovAddict> bbl

10:43 <PovAddict> election

10:46 <Hodapp> so if I start a BOINC process on one node and it's told to utilize multiple CPUs, is it going to just spawn processes/threads for each app, and each of those will then communicate with the main BOINC process via shared memory?

10:55 <Hodapp> does any individual app need Internet access or does the main BOINC process handle that?

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11:23 <PovAddict> back

11:24 <PovAddict> Hodapp: most projects don't need internet access from the science app

11:24 <PovAddict> there was only one that did, because it did internet access *instead* of using CPU (distributed web crawler)

11:24 <Hodapp> ah

11:25 <Hodapp> because I believe OpenSSI does indeed do shared memory across nodes, as well as load-leveling by putting new processes across nodes

11:27 <Hodapp> I just have to somehow convince it that there are 16 CPUs available

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11:32 <PovAddict> Hodapp:

11:32 <PovAddict> &whatis cc_config.xml

11:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: "cc_config.xml" could be a configuration file, used to change BOINC logging flags and change other parameters for debugging. See

11:36 <Hodapp> ah

11:36 <PovAddict> there is an 'ncpus' there, can be used to "fake" the number of CPUs

11:38 <Hodapp> and hopefully... OpenSSI will load-level the apps across the 8 nodes

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12:39 <Romulus> <> (at

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12:49 <MTughan> Dang, it's hot... Have only two cores of 4 going, and I'm still up at 62-63C.

12:50 <MTughan> My laptop's pushing 75C.

12:50 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

12:50 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 6:20 PM CEST; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F.; Clear. Low:59 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:82 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:64 F.; Thunderstorm. High:84 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:66 F.;

12:56 <FreeLarry58> &wx sea

12:56 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 58F / 14C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Cloudy this morning with isolated showers. Afternoon clearing. Cooler. Highs in the mid 60s to lower 70s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s to lower 50s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.; Monday - (1 more message)

12:57 <FreeLarry58> &more

12:57 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Morning clouds then mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s to lower 70s. North wind 5 to 15 mph.;

12:58 <FreeLarry58> 'ello all - minor brag - just noticed went past 10M mark 2 days ago

12:59 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

12:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny until early afternoon...then sunny. Highs 75 to 80. Light wind becoming north 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Clear. Lows 45 to 50. North wind 10 to 20 mph decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after (1 more message)

12:59 <Tank_Master> &more

12:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: midnight.; Monday - Partly cloudy in the morning...then sunny. Highs 75 to 80. Light wind becoming northwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.;

13:00 <FreeLarry58> looks like you're a little warmer Tank_Master

13:01 <FreeLarry58> misty outside here

13:01 <Tank_Master> at least its not humid and warm

13:01 <FreeLarry58> yeah that gets yucky

13:01 <Tank_Master> its sunny here

13:02 <FreeLarry58> what a difference a couple hundred miles make huh

13:02 <Tank_Master> :)

13:03 <FreeLarry58> coming up on 5 projects to 1 M mark

13:03 <Romulus> <> (at

13:04 <wdsmia>

13:04 <Romulus> <> (at

13:04 <wdsmia> 40M :)

13:04 <FreeLarry58> oooo i know i'm going to turn green but - clicks the link

13:05 <MTughan> wdsmia: Yes, you've told us before. :P

13:05 * wdsmia slaps MTughan around with a large Carp

13:05 <Tank_Master>

13:05 <Romulus> <> (at

13:06 <FreeLarry58> hey how bout that still fairly close to Tank_Master

13:07 <FreeLarry58> doug - i'm not even close to your leaque

13:08 <wdsmia> Its nice to be back in the top 100

13:08 <FreeLarry58> lol i bet it is

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13:09 <FreeLarry58> i'll never see it again -- Highest World position ever 486 at 2006-01-19

13:09 <MTughan> I'm getting up there:[]=991407&id[]=100947

13:09 <Romulus> <> (at

13:10 <wdsmia> lol

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13:10 <MTughan>[]=991407&id[]=76151&id[]=100947&id[]=18923

13:10 <Romulus> <> (at

13:11 <FreeLarry58> MTughan try the comparison with me also

13:11 <MTughan> FreeLarry58: Check the last graph.

13:12 <FreeLarry58> i see - you getting a lot more of the gpu cards going

13:13 <MTughan> Probably this is the best:[]=100947&id[]=18923&id[]=991407

13:13 <Romulus> <> (at

13:13 <MTughan> Actually, I still only have one GPU going.

13:13 * FreeLarry58 looks over at 2 more cards waiting install into machines - still waiting on the 940 to get to 1 mil before attempting upgrade

13:13 <MTughan> That card is grabbing me about 60-80K/day.

13:14 <FreeLarry58> another 9800gtx and a 260 waiting

13:14 <FreeLarry58> let me guess milky?

13:14 <MTughan> Yep.

13:14 <MTughan> Although I got my record high of 115K yesterday.

13:14 * FreeLarry58 still cant figure out how to get milky cuda units

13:14 <FreeLarry58> get them for gpu set and seti beta tho

13:14 <MTughan> MW doesn't have CUDA, except in testing right now.

13:15 <Tank_Master> yeah

13:15 <Tank_Master> mw uses ATI

13:15 <MTughan> And unofficially with that.

13:15 <FreeLarry58> ahh - even on the machines that have the gpu milky takes 2hr plus to run

13:15 <MTughan> The CUDA WUs on MW do more than the CPU WUs though.

13:16 <FreeLarry58> ohhh but not the older  i think 2600 thats on the old vista machine as still the same time to run

13:17 <FreeLarry58> so nothing to automatically select for mw

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13:17 <efc> moo

13:18 <xcamel> 'lo

13:18 <efc> Somehow, I've been made SETI@Home user of the day.

13:18 <FreeLarry58> ugg - got to stand up and probably go take another pill - right side is more than a little sore and stiff (slightly enlarged to)

13:18 <FreeLarry58> morn all

13:19 <efc> moo FL

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13:30 <clusty> hello fellas

13:35 <CoderForLife> wb clusty

13:35 <clusty> have not been here in a while. now i am a shere grinder :D

13:35 <clusty> got my new rig and regged on a bunch of boinc projects to stress test it :D

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13:36 <CoderForLife> excellent test

13:36 <clusty> btw, what are the boinc projects with cutest screensavers? :D

13:36 <clusty> LHC stopped giving out WUs ages ago

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13:37 <clusty> and rosetta is not very pretty

13:37 <CoderForLife> LHC is down for awhile

13:37 <CoderForLife> won;t be operating until October, iirc

13:37 <clusty> but did they not pass the theoretical grind tests?

13:37 <CoderForLife> I *never* look at the screensavers, so I can't help

13:38 <clusty> i thought that was just for experiment simulation

13:38 <clusty> so what makes you chose a particular project?

13:38 <CoderForLife> afaik, :HC BOINC is mainly used for targeting/tuning calcs

13:38 <CoderForLife> er LHC

13:39 <CoderForLife> right now, I am running my own project intenally

13:39 <CoderForLife> 15 CPUs, going to 17 in a couple of days

13:40 <clusty> so did I :D

13:40 <clusty> for now i am done boincing

13:40 <clusty> what sort of research do you do?

13:40 <Tank_Master> ill brb, installing a new version of win7

13:41 * FreeLarry58 wonders if einstien ever going to come back - 3 days down now

13:41 <CoderForLife> this project is on mutual fund investing optimization

13:41 <clusty> yeah

13:41 <clusty> i used to grind for einstein

13:41 <clusty> CFL, ohh cool

13:41 <clusty> nnets?

13:41 <clusty> VARMA? :D

13:41 <CoderForLife> hardly a "science app", but a good fit for BOINC

13:42 <Tank_Master> cfl - did I read that ringt? your getting 15 i7s?

13:42 <CoderForLife> no

13:42 <Tank_Master> bbl

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13:42 <FreeLarry58> Tank_Master - if they offered a free update from current version of vista on my machine to win 7 then i would probably do it but they only offere a update to new machines being ordered

13:42 <clusty> i just got my i7

13:42 <clusty> ...and loving every single hertz of it

13:42 <clusty> :D

13:42 <clusty> i never had such a nice baby

13:42 <CoderForLife> I have 15 CPUs running my app

13:42 <FreeLarry58> let it be done via thier normal update routine on net

13:43 <clusty> EVER :D

13:43 <FreeLarry58> which one clusty

13:43 <clusty> the low end

13:43 <clusty> 2.66

13:43 <CoderForLife> in a couple of days, that will go to 17 CPUs

13:43 <clusty> not worth the price diff imho

13:43 <FreeLarry58> have a 920 and 940 here - they are nice

13:43 <clusty> but got 12GB of ram

13:43 <FreeLarry58> ahh the 920 then

13:43 <clusty> 940 is 3GHZ?

13:43 <CoderForLife> I just bought 8 2.4GHz machines to swap out my lowly PIIIs and such

13:44 <FreeLarry58> they releasing a 975 but cant see myself ever going to that price

13:44 <FreeLarry58> humm not quite that high i think but close

13:44 <clusty> well this is a PC that will last me a lifetime

13:44 <clusty> and by that i mean 2-3 years :D

13:44 * CoderForLife wanders away to do a primal scream

13:44 <CoderForLife> bbl

13:45 <FreeLarry58> 2.93 clusty for 940

13:45 <clusty> ok

13:45 <FreeLarry58> the q9550 is a very nice processor too

13:46 <clusty> seemed that the higher i7s also have more RAM throughput

13:46 <FreeLarry58> 2.83

13:46 <clusty> but only the top dog i think

13:47 <FreeLarry58> performance wise for typical user they will never see the difference between a 920 and 940 and only the deluded gamer would notice a change to 975

13:47 <FreeLarry58> bang for buck go with 920

13:48 <clusty> my point

13:48 <clusty> already costed a fortune :(

13:48 <clusty> ended up paying 1700 canadian bux

13:49 <clusty> probably like 250bux were cherries on the top: silents fans. a slightly better graphics card...

13:49 <FreeLarry58> q6600 940 q9550 and 920 in order

13:49 <Romulus> <> (at

13:50 <FreeLarry58> 9800gtx+ very nice card but 920 has a 250 in it

13:50 <FreeLarry58> pretty much the same card

13:51 <clusty> i got a 275

13:51 <clusty> newegg had a promo

13:51 <clusty> else would have gotten a 250

13:51 <FreeLarry58> got a 260 to try out in the 940 machine

13:51 <clusty> btw, is it usual that the gpu goes to 84 deg

13:51 <clusty> when loaded at max

13:51 <FreeLarry58> probably

13:52 <clusty> 84 celsius :D

13:52 <clusty> what about cpu cores 65 or so?

13:52 <FreeLarry58> shouldn'tbe too much of a problem unless goes >95C

13:52 <clusty> i can smell the card toasting :D

13:52 <clusty> guess since it's new

13:52 <FreeLarry58> cpu's have less area to disapate the heat so try to keep <80C

13:53 <FreeLarry58> humm the odor i smelled was the ps overheating had to go to at least a 750W to run both the mahcine and vid card

13:54 <FreeLarry58> 550W just didn't handle it well

13:54 <clusty> i got a 750w one

13:54 <clusty> not sure if i did a good deal: got a thermaltek fan, which has 3 pins rather than 4

13:54 * FreeLarry58 has a 850W waiting for upgrade to another machine

13:55 <clusty> so i cannot use mobo fan controll on it

13:55 <clusty> its virtually a passive cooler

13:55 <clusty> with a bit of a fan which is fixed to some steady flow

13:56 <FreeLarry58> nah i use the smart fan modes and they work - just expect them to run all out until you suspend boinc

13:56 <FreeLarry58> set your bios target temps fairly high is all

13:57 <clusty> well i got the stock coller that came with cpu

13:57 <clusty> every1 sais those suck

13:57 <FreeLarry58> same with all of mine

13:57 <clusty> both cooling capabilities and sound

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13:57 <FreeLarry58> but they work well for me

13:57 <Tank_Master> well that didnt take long to install

13:57 <FreeLarry58> wb Tank_Master

13:57 <clusty> 30mins for an update

13:57 <Tank_Master> thx

13:58 <clusty> unfortunately dumb windoze its thrashing my linux everytime

13:58 <clusty> so its a lot of hassle

13:58 <Tank_Master> why is it windows faoult that linux isnt compatible?

13:58 * FreeLarry58 is still waiting for M$ to offer win7 updates to same version of vista via their regular updates for free

13:58 <clusty> its window's fault for being presumptious

13:58 <clusty> that universe revolves only around billy

13:59 <clusty> and screws up the mr

13:59 <clusty> mbr*

13:59 <clusty> it should ask or DO NOTHING

14:00 <FreeLarry58> because every one knows that there is only one universal operating system and you WILL use only it

14:00 <FreeLarry58> not

14:00 <Tank_Master> brb

14:00 <FreeLarry58> k

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14:00 * FreeLarry58 is trying not to be a m$ basher today

14:10 <clusty> what about sha1. is that one giving any wu's?

14:19 <clusty> damn this is annoying: when the GPU is grinding like mad i am getting background noise on the audio

14:20 <clusty> this means bad power supply, or maybe badly insulated cables?

14:22 <efc> Not sure, but I've had that problem before

14:27 <clusty> that is generally related to grounding issues

14:27 <clusty> ...anywyas guess no GPUgrid for me

14:27 <PovAddict> hey clusty!

14:28 <PovAddict> efc: so you're UOTD? take the advantage to put pr0n in your profile text/picture!

14:29 <clusty> hey povie

14:29 * PovAddict has a BOINC client with no GPU support, and doesn't even know/care if his GPU supports CUDA

14:35 <clusty> what card do you have?

14:35 <PovAddict> $ glxinfo | grep GeForce

14:35 <PovAddict> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2

14:36 <clusty> works

14:36 <clusty> anything past 8400GS (or whatever the lightweight laptop version is) works

14:36 <clusty> cuda is a gorgeous thing

14:36 <PovAddict> meh

14:36 <PovAddict> :)

14:37 <clusty> i mean from a programming stand point

14:37 <clusty> writing code in shader language blows

14:40 <synapt> clusty: 8200M in the mobile series

14:40 <clusty> ok

14:41 <clusty> when i got my laptop 2 years ago was pondering if i should get one with cuda support

14:41 <clusty> i decided to go for the pretty sony with 7600 card over the bulky dell with 8000 series card :D

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15:00 <Nickuwo> well, i almost just burned the house down

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15:04 <PovAddict> &grab Nickuwo

15:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

15:05 <Nickuwo> turns out you can put out grease fires with water... you just need alot of it

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15:07 <old> knock knock

15:07 <clusty> who's there?

15:07 <Romulus> Rumor has it there is a whole set from futureama too or "net stop boinc" or several off color jokes going around about the "Large Hardon Collider" or a feature called "BOINC-Wide teams" but it causes more problems than it solves or the chance a collaboration I started with a doctorate student may develop into a project we can get looks like I'm going to have to do the heavy lifting though since he is !@#&ing on his defense, clusty

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15:07 <MTughan> What the...

15:07 <MTughan> forget who's there

15:08 <MTughan> forget who's there?

15:08 <MTughan> Stupid bot.

15:08 <Nickuwo> heh

15:08 <MTughan> Nickuwo: Any reason your site seems slower over the past week or so?

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15:09 * old511 is back (-B.B.L. - Be Back Later-)-(-7w.3d.22h.22m.26s-)

15:09 <Nickuwo> hmm... can't think of any? actually I've been torrenting pretty heavily recently. How is it right now?

15:09 <MTughan> Seems faster.

15:09 <Nickuwo> maybe thats it then

15:10 <PovAddict> forget there

15:10 <Romulus> Okay, PovAddict.

15:10 <PovAddict> it was telling you who "there" is

15:10 <MTughan> Ah.

15:10 <PovAddict> Nickuwo: torrenting on the project server?

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15:11 * old is away (-gone for hand surgey-)-(-P:Off / L:On-)

15:11 <Nickuwo> we share the same bandwidth

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15:33 <clusty> heavenly to be off chatzilla

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15:58 <PovAddict> XD

15:58 <Romulus> Title: Lost dog (at

16:05 <PovAddict> dehydrated WINE?!

16:05 <Romulus> Title: Dehydrated red wine (at

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17:27 <Nickuwo> whoa

17:27 <Nickuwo> didnt mean for that to be in caps... but I think it came out better that way

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17:41 <efc> &wx 30625

17:41 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 97F / 36C | Humidity: 27% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 70s. Light west winds. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny with (1 more message)

17:41 <efc> &more

17:41 <Romulus> efc: a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 90s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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19:59 <KathrynM>

19:59 <Romulus> <> (at

20:00 * Hodapp stares at OpenSSI cluster.

20:27 * CoderForLife rummages through the configure parameters for PHP 5.1.6

20:27 * CoderForLife runs make

20:28 * Hodapp wonders what good this OpenSSI cluster is when nothing in the nearby vicinity needs to be heated

20:28 <CoderForLife> heh

20:29 * CoderForLife works to repair what yum broke

20:30 <Hodapp> hmm

20:31 <CoderForLife> I use some special PHP compile options, like mbstrings, for SugarCRM, that yum ignores and produces a version of PHP that won't run SugarCRM

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21:00 <PovAddict> I usually build Apache and PHP from source

21:00 <PovAddict> and let my distro take care of MySQL (can't be bothered with it, and I don't have any special needs)

21:03 <CoderForLife> sure

21:04 <CoderForLife> forunately I had saved the configure command with all the proper parms in a text file for this 64-bit CentOS install

21:04 <PovAddict> I think it's PHP that creates a handy "config.nice" script

21:07 <CoderForLife> just remembered to configure the outbound SMTP server settings in SugarCRM

21:08 <CoderForLife> can't have eery outbound e-mail labeled as spam

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21:23 <CoderForLife> gn all

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21:48 <Tank_Master> howdy Nickuwo

21:49 <Nickuwo> hey Tank, whats up

21:49 <Tank_Master> not much

21:50 <Nickuwo> sweet

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22:05 <Hodapp> grrr... GPUGRID is giving my crap again

22:05 <Hodapp> a problem I solved awhile ago but can't remember how - but I have since switched hardware

22:06 <Hodapp> the computation finishes immediately because something is exiting without doing any calculation

22:08 <MTughan> You have a link to a WU that failed?

22:08 <Hodapp> I think I solved the issue - it couldn't find some libraries that were stuck in a really weird place like /usr/lib

22:09 <Hodapp> but I won't find out if it worked until tomorrow because it exceeded a daily quota of 6 results

22:10 <Hodapp> I hate the way this app works...

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22:21 <aoupi> hi, how do I change where boinc stores all files?

22:21 <aoupi> don't have much space on my root partition

22:21 <MTughan> Uh, are you running BOINC as root?

22:22 <aoupi> well I start it with the /etc/init.d/boinc-client start as root, I don't know if that drops priviliges

22:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: root partition and root user are unrelated things

22:22 <PovAddict> aoupi: distro?

22:22 <aoupi> ubuntu

22:22 <aoupi> 9.04

22:22 <PovAddict> /var/lib/boinc-client

22:22 <PovAddict> /var is where most apps store "state", it's supposed to have space :)

22:22 <aoupi> should I just symlink it or is there some preference thing if I want to do it the right way?

22:23 <PovAddict> even the apt cache is in there (/var/cache/apt), and mine is 252MB big...

22:23 <aoupi> 5G tends to be enough free no / but when this defaults to max 10G I assume the more space it can use the better

22:23 <aoupi> *on

22:24 <PovAddict> I think a symlink will be enough

22:24 <PovAddict> /etc/init.d/boinc-client stop, move all data elsewhere, make symlink, restart

22:25 <aoupi> yea

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22:28 <aoupi> seems to be working just fine now :)

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