IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-07-14

00:00 <PovAddict> so they win in the end :)

00:00 <zombie67> getting back to fixed credits of some method

00:01 <efc> If a failure of one WU could cause a total project failure.. pretty much have to replicate.

00:01 <zombie67> not all projects are like that

00:01 <zombie67> MW, AQUA, RCN, SUDOKU

00:02 <PovAddict> zombie67:

00:02 <Romulus> <> (at

00:02 <PovAddict> I'm using a special boinc feature that makes a new replica for each computer

00:02 <zombie67> mercy

00:03 <zombie67> I think WCG does a sub project like that

00:03 <PovAddict> so instead of creating a hundred workunits and *hoping* they are distributed across as many computers as possible (so I can test on many computers)

00:03 <PovAddict> I create a single workunit with this feature

00:03 <PovAddict> and I ensure each computer gets one (and no more than one)

00:04 <zombie67> ask didac.....about it

00:08 <efc> hmm, just thinking out loud for a second..

00:09 <efc> I'm thinking of a bidding system of some sort

00:09 <RomW> The WCG sub project has a validation scheme, it is just based on the result itself though.  Apparently different fields in the data set have a consistent relationship with one another.  For instance field 1 might always be 2x field 7.  \

00:10 <RomW> So they can tell when a result has been moneyed with

00:10 <RomW> monkeyed with

00:10 <PovAddict> I know one of the subprojects has a strange scheme overall

00:10 <RomW> shesh, need to go to bed

00:10 <PovAddict> they send several replicas, and the results aren't identical

00:10 <zombie67> Hi Rom, I was talking about a sub project that has many replications, that don't necessarily mave anything to do with each other.

00:11 <PovAddict> and if one of the results has an error, it's useful anyway

00:11 <RomW> oh

00:11 <PovAddict> I mean the whole WU is useful anyway, no need to resend that one result

00:11 <RomW> I'll probably remember what Kevin did with that project in the morning, or i'll ask him

00:11 <RomW> lol

00:11 <PovAddict> hmm

00:12 <PovAddict> should I write the third credit scenario of doom, or should I write "to be continued", send the message, and go to sleep? :P

00:12 <RomW> Personally I decided to wait until the morning

00:13 <RomW> I've been beating my head against the Linux wall all day...

00:13 <PovAddict> my sleep pattern is... well, isn't a pattern

00:15 <RomW> You would think that dealing with GPUs on Linux would be so easy, with Nvidia having exposed two seperate devices for dealing with CUDA

00:15 <RomW> but it isn't

00:15 <PovAddict> heh

00:16 <PovAddict> getting my video card to behave on Linux and not corrupt titlebars was hard enough; I'm staying the hell away from CUDA

00:16 <RomW> To top it all off, I couldn't find an applet like the Windows Device Manager for Fedora 11 or the latest Ubuntu

00:17 <RomW> So I couldn't really tell if X was using the nvidia video drivers or the default drivers for the distro

00:17 <PovAddict> hwinfo, inspecting /sys... if you're dealing with hardware, there seems to be little graphical support :P

00:17 <PovAddict> inspecting Xorg.log...

00:17 <RomW> Well, i'm not going to reboot to find out now...

00:17 <RomW> lol

00:18 <PovAddict> I'd pass, too

00:18 <RomW> I just fell back to uninstalling the driver and rebooting, if X failed to start it was probably using the right driver

00:18 <PovAddict> sometimes (rarely), I come to my computer, turn on the screen, and the screen light just blinks

00:19 <PovAddict> like it does when the computer turns display off to save energy

00:19 <RomW> in any case, I finally got enough info to know it wasn't a BOINC specific problem and passed it off to the NVidia engineers

00:19 <PovAddict> but moving mouse or typing doesn't activate it

00:19 <RomW> ouch

00:19 <PovAddict> can't go to TTYs

00:19 <RomW> that sucks

00:19 <PovAddict> if I ssh from another computer, I see Xorg using all the CPU

00:20 <PovAddict> looking at kernel log, there are some obscure errors mentioning "NVRM"

00:20 <RomW> Non-volitile RAM?

00:20 <RomW> or ROM?

00:20 <PovAddict> or NVidia RAM, dunno :P

00:21 <RomW> or something of that nature

00:21 <PovAddict> happened around a dozen times in this computer lifetime...

00:21 <PovAddict> I only once recovered it without rebooting

00:24 <RomW> I suppose the next step since I have this new rig, will be to get an ATI card...  Start this whole mess over with ATI hardware

00:25 <RomW> Then we'll support both Nvidia and ATI

00:25 <zombie67> yeah, we REALLY need ATI support in BOINC

00:28 <RomW> The more the marrier

00:28 <RomW> time for bed

00:28 <zombie67> GN

00:28 <RomW> before my typing gets worse

00:28 <RomW> lol

00:28 <RomW> night

00:41 <Tank_Master> PovAddict?

00:41 <PovAddict> I was going to ask about aqua@home credits but zombie67 filled us in already :)

00:41 <Tank_Master> you pinged?

00:41 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

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06:26 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 69.7F / 20.9C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of thunderstorms in the morning... then a slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 25 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 50 percent.; Tonight - (2 more messages)

06:26 <wdsmia> &more

06:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: Partly cloudy then becoming mostly cloudy before midnight and early morning then becoming partly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low in the upper 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph shifting to the west 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Wednesday - Partly sunny until late afternoon then clearing. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to (1 more message)

06:26 <wdsmia> &more

06:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 25 mph.;

06:28 <hawmps> 'mornin

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06:40 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

06:40 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 73°F / 23°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 12:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:77 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:57 F.; Rain. High:71 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:60 F.; Chance of Rain. High:71 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F.;

06:54 <hawmps> spork >> ssh troll

07:13 * kathryn_ is downloading F11.

07:14 <kathryn_> Hopefully I'll get all 3 boxes updated next weeek

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07:25 <hawmps> 2 boxes 'modernized'... several more to go...

07:26 <hawmps> the cuda-fied winbox seems to be coming into it's own, seti upload problems notwithstanding...

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08:05 <hawmps> spork >> >> library attack

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08:30 <yoyo[RKN]> what is spork?

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09:01 <hawmps> blox da haxorz

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10:39 <hawmps> you around, Rom?

10:43 <hawmps> > From:

10:43 <hawmps> > [] On Behalf Of Jay

10:43 <hawmps> > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:28 AM

10:43 <hawmps> > To:

10:43 <hawmps> > Subject: [boinc_alpha] 6.6.37 - linux

10:43 <hawmps> >

10:43 <hawmps> > Any chance boincmgr/linux will be able to show CUDA activity?

10:43 <hawmps> > _______________________________________________

10:43 <hawmps> > boinc_alpha mailing list

10:43 <hawmps> >

10:43 <hawmps> >

10:43 <hawmps> > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and

10:43 <hawmps> > (near bottom of page) enter your email address.

10:43 <hawmps> crap..

10:43 <Romulus> <> (at

10:52 <hawmps> I must be missing something...

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11:04 <hawmps> think i'm going to try 180.60

11:04 <hawmps> bbiab

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11:08 <hawmps> back again

11:10 <hawmps> ok.. boinc detects card no problem

11:10 <hawmps> NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8800 GTS (driver version 0, compute capability 1.0, 640MB, est. 41GFLOPS)

11:22 <RomW> I'm back

11:23 <RomW> Please revert back to the 180.60 drivers, otherwise your cuda apps will blow up when they attempt to start

11:24 <RomW> Also, can you check your preferences on either S@H or GPUGRid and make sure that the Suspend GPU activity while computer is in use is turned off

11:28 <hawmps> ah.. there you are...

11:29 <hawmps> step 1, yes.

11:29 <hawmps> step 2, yes.

11:29 <hawmps> still not showing any, but may not have any work.

11:30 <RomW> Which projects are you attached to that support GPU?

11:32 <hawmps> seti, einstein, vtu? milkyway?

11:32 <RomW> hmmmm

11:32 <RomW> I think they all require compute capability 1.1 or higher

11:33 <RomW> i.e. you probably need a newer card

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11:35 <jackygrahamez> hi

11:35 <jackygrahamez> I got a question on playstations

11:35 <hawmps> still not showing any, but may not have any work. GTS **is** a newer card

11:36 <hawmps> the cuda apps are running fine on an identical winbox

11:36 <hawmps> 8800 GTS that is..

11:36 <RomW> oh

11:36 <RomW> okay

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11:37 <jackygrahamez> is it possible to run BOINC client on PS3?

11:37 <RomW> Can you attach to GPUGrid?

11:38 <RomW> Jack, yes, GPUGrid started out going down that path

11:39 <jackygrahamez> ok great RomW

11:39 <jackygrahamez> R you going to attend Barcelona this year?

11:39 <hawmps> attached to GPUgrid

11:39 <hawmps> requesting tasks

11:40 <RomW> I don't think so, David has something else in mind for me this year

11:40 <jackygrahamez> I hope I can go

11:41 <hawmps> ok.. it says:

11:41 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:40:19 AM EDTGPUGRIDMessage from server: No work sent

11:41 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:40:19 AM EDTGPUGRIDMessage from server: Full-atom molecular dynamics is not available for your type of computer.

11:41 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:40:19 AM EDTGPUGRIDMessage from server: Full-atom molecular dynamics on Cell processor is not available for your type of computer.

11:42 <RomW> Does it say it is requesting GPU work?

11:42 <RomW> a line or two above that?

11:42 <hawmps> yes

11:42 <RomW> great

11:43 <hawmps> several times so far..

11:43 <hawmps> getting nothing however..

11:43 <hawmps> brb.. getting lunch.

11:43 <RomW> yeah, debugging that issue with Gianni right now...

11:55 <RomW> Ugh, GPUGrid only supports Linux x64 CUDA apps

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11:56 <hawmps> just my luck..

11:58 <RomW> lol, I'm sure the Nvidia guys are thinking the same thing

11:59 <RomW> We are all trying to debug the driver problem

12:01 <hawmps> one good ting is the mb/vid/mem etc is identical between this nix box and my xp box here @ work

12:02 <hawmps> er thing, even

12:03 <hawmps> this one gets me...

12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:53 AM EDTMilkyway@homeRequesting new tasks for GPU

12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:58 AM EDTMilkyway@homeScheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks

12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:58 AM EDTMilkyway@homeMessage from server: No work sent

12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:58 AM EDTMilkyway@homeMessage from server: CPU app exists for MilkyWay@Home but no CPU work requested

12:04 <RomW> Your request was only for GPU work

12:06 <hawmps> mw has none of either is seems..

12:11 <jackygrahamez> Hi RomW is their someone I could chat with from GPUgrid who can explain more about integrating apps with PS3?

12:13 <FreeLarry58> hawmps have same problem with MW but it still gets some CPU work dl even tho only requesting GPU

12:14 <FreeLarry58> some machines require reset of project occasionaly to get work from project tho

12:15 * FreeLarry58 scratches head and cant remember ever seeing a MW wu with cuda behind it tho

12:16 <kathryn_> no cuda at mw, only a third party ati app

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12:17 <FreeLarry58> ahh explaings it no ati connected

12:19 <hawmps> interesting..

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13:04 <RomW> @Jack, email me and i'll introduce you...

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13:14 <hawmps> somebody please kick seti in the @ss

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13:15 <rucinter> hello

13:15 <hawmps> hi

13:16 <hawmps> .ro... hmmm.. Romania?

13:16 <rucinter> I've resumed seti@home activity after a year or so, with 3 computers in 2 location, 10 core in total and BOINC accepted some workunits in the first day, but today, the second day, none of my installed clinets couldn't uploda results to BOINC

13:16 <rucinter> hawmps, yes, why?

13:17 <PovAddict> rucinter: SETI uploads seem to be disabled at the moment

13:17 <PovAddict> they may be doing maintenance

13:17 <rucinter> so it's a general thing

13:19 <hawmps> just though it was kind of cool..

13:19 <rucinter> well, it's not that cool actually :)

13:19 <hawmps> and with seti, that is 'situation normal'

13:20 <rucinter> great, a lot of RAC when it will be unclogged

13:21 <hawmps> ok.. hot in Brasov tonight...

13:21 <rucinter> are you from Brasov?

13:21 <hawmps> not hardly.. :-)

13:22 <rucinter> then your statement about Brasov being hot is confusing me :)

13:23 <hawmps> You said it wasn't that cool, so it must be hot...

13:23 <hawmps> (it was humor..)

13:23 <rucinter> oh, I have to recalibrate my humorous subroutines

13:24 <hawmps> where in Romania are you?

13:25 <rucinter> Cluj-Napoca, Transylvania

13:25 <hawmps> fairly large town...

13:26 <rucinter> one of the largest arround here

13:27 <rucinter> oh, I've checked Astropulse on SETI preference page, but until today, I haven't received any Astropulse workunit, is there a way to "request" one?

13:27 <PovAddict> there are no astropulse workunits available at the moment

13:27 <rucinter> and when they will be, I will automatically receive them?

13:27 <PovAddict> probably

13:27 <rucinter> I see, thank you

13:27 <hawmps> I think you have to go to the settings page, and click on 'allow test/alternate applications'

13:28 <rucinter> yep, already did that

13:29 <rucinter> just re-watched Contact, the movie, the other day and that movie really opened my apetite for SETI one more time.

13:38 <PovAddict> okay, if my first credit rant didn't stumble them, this one will...

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13:43 <FreeLarry58> ugg guess its time to try and call that buracrate again about fmla forms again -- when will the start to give real world time frames instead of presidential preferential treatment time frames

13:44 * FreeLarry58 of course if it was for the president they would fill them out themselves

13:54 <hawmps> contact is a good movie

13:55 <hawmps> Get your satellite dish up on Castle Dracul - the signal is better..

13:55 <rucinter> just visited it last month

13:56 <rucinter> it's great

13:56 <rucinter> I think I have some pictures somewhere

13:57 <hawmps> seems to be quite a distance from where you live...

13:57 <rucinter> 5 hours drive

13:58 <rucinter>

13:58 <Romulus> <> (at

13:58 <rucinter> and the internal court:

13:58 <Romulus> <> (at

14:00 <hawmps> girlfriend or wife?

14:01 <desti> girlfriend.jpg

14:01 <hawmps> hush you...

14:02 <PovAddict> hawmps: maybe herself? nothing points at rucinter being male

14:02 <rucinter> I'm male

14:02 <rucinter> not wife, not yet

14:02 * PovAddict scratches possible theory

14:02 <hawmps> She's cute.

14:02 <rucinter> well thank you

14:02 <PovAddict> indeed

14:02 <rucinter> Romanian girls are cute

14:02 <rucinter> at least :)

14:02 * hawmps notes PoV has no intuitive abilities...

14:03 <PovAddict> send me one :)

14:03 <rucinter> there are planty here, just let me know when you are coming :)

14:03 <rucinter> *plenty

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14:17 <hawmps> Romania is a beautiful country.. I hope to see it in person one day..

14:17 <rucinter> visiting is nice

14:17 <rucinter> living here is not

14:20 <hawmps> bit of an economic depression going on..

14:21 <FreeLarry58> all over

14:24 <rucinter> we are not that bad hit as the Baltic countries, but I think the worse have not yet passed

14:24 <rucinter> plus, we were under depression for ages

14:24 <rucinter> so we're kinda use to it

14:35 <hawmps> It takes more than 20 years to get rid of 75 years of communism...

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14:52 <rucinter> It shouldn't take that long

14:57 <hawmps> no, it shouldn't, but it does...

14:57 <hawmps> people do not change for the better easily.

15:06 <rucinter> true, plus the last ten years of communism were the worst

15:07 <rucinter> hours of lack of electricity daily, no prodices in stores, meat and oranges and bananas were luxury, stuff like that

15:07 <rucinter> *produces

15:18 <hawmps> just "produce" - but close enough.

15:18 <hawmps> one of those odd english plurals...

15:19 <rucinter> dammit

15:20 <rucinter> hawmps, where are you from?

15:21 <hawmps> US

15:21 <rucinter> ah, the land of the free

15:21 <hawmps> Upstate NY, exactly... much like old Romania politically (laughs)

15:21 <rucinter> been there this year

15:22 <hawmps> Hope you had a good time..

15:22 <hawmps> bbl..

15:22 <rucinter> the best

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16:08 <xcamel> re-hi

16:09 <xcamel> spork >> (mail hacking)

16:09 <xcamel> ditto

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17:14 <Nickuwo> Happy Bday MT

17:14 <Nickuwo> possibly belated

17:15 <Tank_Master> considering it was yesterday

17:15 <Nickuwo> wha

17:15 <Nickuwo> i dont believe it

17:15 <MTughan> It was.

17:16 <Tank_Master> well, he changed his nick yesterday

17:16 <Tank_Master> so im asuming it was yesterday

17:16 <Nickuwo> hmm, well he changed it back an hour ago, so close enough

17:17 <Nickuwo> o you are here now

17:17 <Nickuwo> happy bday

17:17 <Nickuwo> (belated)

17:17 <Nickuwo> how old are ya?

17:17 <Tank_Master> 478

17:17 <Nickuwo> damn

17:17 <Tank_Master> things have moved way south

17:19 <zombie67> WCG has new badges

17:20 <Tank_Master> woot?

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17:29 <zombie67>

17:29 <Romulus> <> (at

17:40 <MTughan> Nickuwo: Sorry for the delay, was reading through the mailing lists. Turned 19.

17:41 <MTughan> zombie67: Ow... I've just about got all my gold badges now, and now there's more...

17:41 <MTughan> Anyway, dinner time.

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18:31 <CoderForLife> thx for the sporks xcamel

18:31 <CoderForLife> hello folks

18:33 <CoderForLife> and thank hawmps for me when you see him. too

18:34 <xcamel> 'lo Don

18:48 <CoderForLife> hi Jay

18:57 <xcamel> meanwhile...

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19:20 <xcamel> mighty quiet..

19:21 <xcamel> btw.. 'lumber duck' is 4x larger than when I brought him home - now starting to get real feathers..

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19:28 <CoderForLife> gn folks

19:30 <xcamel> later

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22:28 <mweltin> boinc got on /.

22:29 <PovAddict> link or it didn't happen

22:30 <mweltin> haha

22:31 <mweltin> "Though an official announcement has not yet been made"

22:32 <mweltin> there is no real link to post

22:32 <mweltin>

22:32 <Romulus> Title: Slashdot - News for nerds, stuff that matters (at

22:32 <PovAddict>

22:32 <Romulus> <> (at

22:33 <mweltin> nice

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22:39 <PovAddict> "Like a lot of these silly comparisons on slashdot ("My hammer is better than your screwdriver!") it comes down to using the right tool for the right job."

22:46 <mweltin> yeah the new buzz word on campus is drupal and everyone wants on the bandwagon regardless of the site they really need.

22:47 <PovAddict> sigh

22:48 <umccullough> drupal is at least pretty nice ;)

22:48 <umccullough> even if it's huge

22:54 <mweltin> it's amazing that a page will load sometimes

22:56 <umccullough> really? been administering a drupal site for a few years now...

22:56 <umccullough> anyone here in the SF/Bay area?

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23:06 <mick_laptop> hi everyone

23:07 <mick_laptop> i'm using folding@home and i just did a config and the started ./fah -verbosity 9 --- now it just says "[02:54:24] Timered checkpoint triggered.

23:07 <mick_laptop> is that a good thing - a bad thing - or do i just wait it out :)

23:08 <PovAddict> folding@home doesn't use boinc

23:09 <mick_laptop> whoops

23:09 <mick_laptop> :)

23:09 <mick_laptop> i actually thought it did

23:11 <Tank_Master> not anymore

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23:11 <Tank_Master> they did for a breaf time while testing it out

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23:12 <Tank_Master> but they elected to develop the GPU apps instead

23:12 <mick_laptop> ah, ok

23:12 <Tank_Master> howdy mweltin

23:12 <mick_laptop> does it play nice w/ boinc?

23:12 <PovAddict> mick_laptop: define "play nice"

23:12 <mick_laptop> do they step on each other's toes

23:12 <PovAddict> neither knows the other is there

23:13 <Tank_Master> if F@H can be set up to only use GPU, the BOINC can be set to only use CPU and that shouldnt cause to much trouble

23:13 <PovAddict> so both will try to take all of the "idle cycles" of your machine...

23:13 <mick_laptop> ok cool - that is what i thought, didn't want them stepping on each other's ports

23:13 <Tank_Master> they will to some extent

23:13 <mick_laptop> or each other's cpu cycles or something :)

23:14 <Tank_Master> boinc is set at the lowest possible priority, so if f2h is the same, then they will both compete for the resources (will get 1/2 of the time)

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23:14 <Tank_Master> but if F@H is a tad hige, it will take most of the time (at least on windows)

23:15 <Tank_Master> higher*

23:16 <Tank_Master> boinc can also limit the number of cpu threads it uses

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23:46 <mick_laptop> well i'm on linux anyhow

23:47 <mick_laptop> thanks for the tips guys

23:47 <mick_laptop> see you around

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23:57 <Tank_Master> RomW, you there?

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