00:00 <PovAddict> so they win in the end :)
00:00 <zombie67> getting back to fixed credits of some method
00:01 <efc> If a failure of one WU could cause a total project failure.. pretty much have to replicate.
00:01 <zombie67> not all projects are like that
00:01 <zombie67> MW, AQUA, RCN, SUDOKU
00:02 <PovAddict> zombie67: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar:8080/boinctest/workunit.php?wuid=1842
00:02 <PovAddict> I'm using a special boinc feature that makes a new replica for each computer
00:02 <zombie67> mercy
00:03 <zombie67> I think WCG does a sub project like that
00:03 <PovAddict> so instead of creating a hundred workunits and *hoping* they are distributed across as many computers as possible (so I can test on many computers)
00:03 <PovAddict> I create a single workunit with this feature
00:03 <PovAddict> and I ensure each computer gets one (and no more than one)
00:04 <zombie67> ask didac.....about it
00:08 <efc> hmm, just thinking out loud for a second..
00:09 <efc> I'm thinking of a bidding system of some sort
00:09 <RomW> The WCG sub project has a validation scheme, it is just based on the result itself though. Apparently different fields in the data set have a consistent relationship with one another. For instance field 1 might always be 2x field 7. \
00:10 <RomW> So they can tell when a result has been moneyed with
00:10 <RomW> monkeyed with
00:10 <PovAddict> I know one of the subprojects has a strange scheme overall
00:10 <RomW> shesh, need to go to bed
00:10 <PovAddict> they send several replicas, and the results aren't identical
00:10 <zombie67> Hi Rom, I was talking about a sub project that has many replications, that don't necessarily mave anything to do with each other.
00:11 <PovAddict> and if one of the results has an error, it's useful anyway
00:11 <RomW> oh
00:11 <PovAddict> I mean the whole WU is useful anyway, no need to resend that one result
00:11 <RomW> I'll probably remember what Kevin did with that project in the morning, or i'll ask him
00:11 <RomW> lol
00:11 <PovAddict> hmm
00:12 <PovAddict> should I write the third credit scenario of doom, or should I write "to be continued", send the message, and go to sleep? :P
00:12 <RomW> Personally I decided to wait until the morning
00:13 <RomW> I've been beating my head against the Linux wall all day...
00:13 <PovAddict> my sleep pattern is... well, isn't a pattern
00:15 <RomW> You would think that dealing with GPUs on Linux would be so easy, with Nvidia having exposed two seperate devices for dealing with CUDA
00:15 <RomW> but it isn't
00:15 <PovAddict> heh
00:16 <PovAddict> getting my video card to behave on Linux and not corrupt titlebars was hard enough; I'm staying the hell away from CUDA
00:16 <RomW> To top it all off, I couldn't find an applet like the Windows Device Manager for Fedora 11 or the latest Ubuntu
00:17 <RomW> So I couldn't really tell if X was using the nvidia video drivers or the default drivers for the distro
00:17 <PovAddict> hwinfo, inspecting /sys... if you're dealing with hardware, there seems to be little graphical support :P
00:17 <PovAddict> inspecting Xorg.log...
00:17 <RomW> Well, i'm not going to reboot to find out now...
00:17 <RomW> lol
00:18 <PovAddict> I'd pass, too
00:18 <RomW> I just fell back to uninstalling the driver and rebooting, if X failed to start it was probably using the right driver
00:18 <PovAddict> sometimes (rarely), I come to my computer, turn on the screen, and the screen light just blinks
00:19 <PovAddict> like it does when the computer turns display off to save energy
00:19 <RomW> in any case, I finally got enough info to know it wasn't a BOINC specific problem and passed it off to the NVidia engineers
00:19 <PovAddict> but moving mouse or typing doesn't activate it
00:19 <RomW> ouch
00:19 <PovAddict> can't go to TTYs
00:19 <RomW> that sucks
00:19 <PovAddict> if I ssh from another computer, I see Xorg using all the CPU
00:20 <PovAddict> looking at kernel log, there are some obscure errors mentioning "NVRM"
00:20 <RomW> Non-volitile RAM?
00:20 <RomW> or ROM?
00:20 <PovAddict> or NVidia RAM, dunno :P
00:21 <RomW> or something of that nature
00:21 <PovAddict> happened around a dozen times in this computer lifetime...
00:21 <PovAddict> I only once recovered it without rebooting
00:24 <RomW> I suppose the next step since I have this new rig, will be to get an ATI card... Start this whole mess over with ATI hardware
00:25 <RomW> Then we'll support both Nvidia and ATI
00:25 <zombie67> yeah, we REALLY need ATI support in BOINC
00:28 <RomW> The more the marrier
00:28 <RomW> time for bed
00:28 <zombie67> GN
00:28 <RomW> before my typing gets worse
00:28 <RomW> lol
00:28 <RomW> night
00:41 <Tank_Master> PovAddict?
00:41 <PovAddict> I was going to ask about aqua@home credits but zombie67 filled us in already :)
00:41 <Tank_Master> you pinged?
00:41 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok
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06:26 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
06:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 69.7°F / 20.9°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of thunderstorms in the morning... then a slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 25 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 50 percent.; Tonight - (2 more messages)
06:26 <wdsmia> &more
06:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: Partly cloudy then becoming mostly cloudy before midnight and early morning then becoming partly cloudy. A 50 percent chance of thunderstorms. Low in the upper 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph shifting to the west 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Wednesday - Partly sunny until late afternoon then clearing. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to (1 more message)
06:26 <wdsmia> &more
06:26 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 25 mph.;
06:28 <hawmps> 'mornin
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06:40 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
06:40 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 73Â°F / 23Â°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 12:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:77 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:57 ° F.; Rain. High:71 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:60 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:71 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 ° F.;
06:54 <hawmps> spork >> 184.108.40.206 ssh troll
07:13 * kathryn_ is downloading F11.
07:14 <kathryn_> Hopefully I'll get all 3 boxes updated next weeek
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07:25 <hawmps> 2 boxes 'modernized'... several more to go...
07:26 <hawmps> the cuda-fied winbox seems to be coming into it's own, seti upload problems notwithstanding...
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08:05 <hawmps> spork >> 85-234-144-7.static.as29550.net >> library attack
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08:30 <yoyo[RKN]> what is spork?
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09:01 <hawmps> blox da haxorz
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10:39 <hawmps> you around, Rom?
10:43 <hawmps> > From: firstname.lastname@example.org
10:43 <hawmps> > [mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Jay
10:43 <hawmps> > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:28 AM
10:43 <hawmps> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
10:43 <hawmps> > Subject: [boinc_alpha] 6.6.37 - linux
10:43 <hawmps> >
10:43 <hawmps> > Any chance boincmgr/linux will be able to show CUDA activity?
10:43 <hawmps> > _______________________________________________
10:43 <hawmps> > boinc_alpha mailing list
10:43 <hawmps> > email@example.com
10:43 <hawmps> > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and
10:43 <hawmps> > (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
10:43 <hawmps> crap..
10:52 <hawmps> I must be missing something...
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11:04 <hawmps> think i'm going to try 180.60
11:04 <hawmps> bbiab
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11:08 <hawmps> back again
11:10 <hawmps> ok.. boinc detects card no problem
11:10 <hawmps> NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8800 GTS (driver version 0, compute capability 1.0, 640MB, est. 41GFLOPS)
11:22 <RomW> I'm back
11:23 <RomW> Please revert back to the 180.60 drivers, otherwise your cuda apps will blow up when they attempt to start
11:24 <RomW> Also, can you check your preferences on either S@H or GPUGRid and make sure that the Suspend GPU activity while computer is in use is turned off
11:28 <hawmps> ah.. there you are...
11:29 <hawmps> step 1, yes.
11:29 <hawmps> step 2, yes.
11:29 <hawmps> still not showing any, but may not have any work.
11:30 <RomW> Which projects are you attached to that support GPU?
11:32 <hawmps> seti, einstein, vtu? milkyway?
11:32 <RomW> hmmmm
11:32 <RomW> I think they all require compute capability 1.1 or higher
11:33 <RomW> i.e. you probably need a newer card
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11:35 <jackygrahamez> hi
11:35 <jackygrahamez> I got a question on playstations
11:35 <hawmps> still not showing any, but may not have any work. GTS **is** a newer card
11:36 <hawmps> the cuda apps are running fine on an identical winbox
11:36 <hawmps> 8800 GTS that is..
11:36 <RomW> oh
11:36 <RomW> okay
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11:37 <jackygrahamez> is it possible to run BOINC client on PS3?
11:37 <RomW> Can you attach to GPUGrid?
11:38 <RomW> Jack, yes, GPUGrid started out going down that path
11:39 <jackygrahamez> ok great RomW
11:39 <jackygrahamez> R you going to attend Barcelona this year?
11:39 <hawmps> attached to GPUgrid
11:39 <hawmps> requesting tasks
11:40 <RomW> I don't think so, David has something else in mind for me this year
11:40 <jackygrahamez> I hope I can go
11:41 <hawmps> ok.. it says:
11:41 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:40:19 AM EDTGPUGRIDMessage from server: No work sent
11:41 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:40:19 AM EDTGPUGRIDMessage from server: Full-atom molecular dynamics is not available for your type of computer.
11:41 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:40:19 AM EDTGPUGRIDMessage from server: Full-atom molecular dynamics on Cell processor is not available for your type of computer.
11:42 <RomW> Does it say it is requesting GPU work?
11:42 <RomW> a line or two above that?
11:42 <hawmps> yes
11:42 <RomW> great
11:43 <hawmps> several times so far..
11:43 <hawmps> getting nothing however..
11:43 <hawmps> brb.. getting lunch.
11:43 <RomW> yeah, debugging that issue with Gianni right now...
11:55 <RomW> Ugh, GPUGrid only supports Linux x64 CUDA apps
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11:56 <hawmps> just my luck..
11:58 <RomW> lol, I'm sure the Nvidia guys are thinking the same thing
11:59 <RomW> We are all trying to debug the driver problem
12:01 <hawmps> one good ting is the mb/vid/mem etc is identical between this nix box and my xp box here @ work
12:02 <hawmps> er thing, even
12:03 <hawmps> this one gets me...
12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:53 AM EDTMilkyway@homeRequesting new tasks for GPU
12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:58 AM EDTMilkyway@homeScheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks
12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:58 AM EDTMilkyway@homeMessage from server: No work sent
12:03 <hawmps> Tue 14 Jul 2009 11:58:58 AM EDTMilkyway@homeMessage from server: CPU app exists for MilkyWay@Home but no CPU work requested
12:04 <RomW> Your request was only for GPU work
12:06 <hawmps> mw has none of either is seems..
12:11 <jackygrahamez> Hi RomW is their someone I could chat with from GPUgrid who can explain more about integrating apps with PS3?
12:13 <FreeLarry58> hawmps have same problem with MW but it still gets some CPU work dl even tho only requesting GPU
12:14 <FreeLarry58> some machines require reset of project occasionaly to get work from project tho
12:15 * FreeLarry58 scratches head and cant remember ever seeing a MW wu with cuda behind it tho
12:16 <kathryn_> no cuda at mw, only a third party ati app
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12:17 <FreeLarry58> ahh explaings it no ati connected
12:19 <hawmps> interesting..
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13:04 <RomW> @Jack, email me and i'll introduce you...
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13:14 <hawmps> somebody please kick seti in the @ss
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13:15 <rucinter> hello
13:15 <hawmps> hi
13:16 <hawmps> .ro... hmmm.. Romania?
13:16 <rucinter> I've resumed seti@home activity after a year or so, with 3 computers in 2 location, 10 core in total and BOINC accepted some workunits in the first day, but today, the second day, none of my installed clinets couldn't uploda results to BOINC
13:16 <rucinter> hawmps, yes, why?
13:17 <PovAddict> rucinter: SETI uploads seem to be disabled at the moment
13:17 <PovAddict> they may be doing maintenance
13:17 <rucinter> so it's a general thing
13:19 <hawmps> just though it was kind of cool..
13:19 <rucinter> well, it's not that cool actually :)
13:19 <hawmps> and with seti, that is 'situation normal'
13:20 <rucinter> great, a lot of RAC when it will be unclogged
13:21 <hawmps> ok.. hot in Brasov tonight...
13:21 <rucinter> are you from Brasov?
13:21 <hawmps> not hardly.. :-)
13:22 <rucinter> then your statement about Brasov being hot is confusing me :)
13:23 <hawmps> You said it wasn't that cool, so it must be hot...
13:23 <hawmps> (it was humor..)
13:23 <rucinter> oh, I have to recalibrate my humorous subroutines
13:24 <hawmps> where in Romania are you?
13:25 <rucinter> Cluj-Napoca, Transylvania
13:25 <hawmps> fairly large town...
13:26 <rucinter> one of the largest arround here
13:27 <rucinter> oh, I've checked Astropulse on SETI preference page, but until today, I haven't received any Astropulse workunit, is there a way to "request" one?
13:27 <PovAddict> there are no astropulse workunits available at the moment
13:27 <rucinter> and when they will be, I will automatically receive them?
13:27 <PovAddict> probably
13:27 <rucinter> I see, thank you
13:27 <hawmps> I think you have to go to the settings page, and click on 'allow test/alternate applications'
13:28 <rucinter> yep, already did that
13:29 <rucinter> just re-watched Contact, the movie, the other day and that movie really opened my apetite for SETI one more time.
13:38 <PovAddict> okay, if my first credit rant didn't stumble them, this one will...
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13:43 <FreeLarry58> ugg guess its time to try and call that buracrate again about fmla forms again -- when will the start to give real world time frames instead of presidential preferential treatment time frames
13:44 * FreeLarry58 of course if it was for the president they would fill them out themselves
13:54 <hawmps> contact is a good movie
13:55 <hawmps> Get your satellite dish up on Castle Dracul - the signal is better..
13:55 <rucinter> just visited it last month
13:56 <rucinter> it's great
13:56 <rucinter> I think I have some pictures somewhere
13:57 <hawmps> seems to be quite a distance from where you live...
13:57 <rucinter> 5 hours drive
13:58 <rucinter> and the internal court: http://picasaweb.google.com/bianca.tripon/Bran20Iunie2009#5350048916161569698
14:00 <hawmps> girlfriend or wife?
14:01 <desti> girlfriend.jpg
14:01 <hawmps> hush you...
14:02 <PovAddict> hawmps: maybe herself? nothing points at rucinter being male
14:02 <rucinter> I'm male
14:02 <rucinter> not wife, not yet
14:02 * PovAddict scratches possible theory
14:02 <hawmps> She's cute.
14:02 <rucinter> well thank you
14:02 <PovAddict> indeed
14:02 <rucinter> Romanian girls are cute
14:02 <rucinter> at least :)
14:02 * hawmps notes PoV has no intuitive abilities...
14:03 <PovAddict> send me one :)
14:03 <rucinter> there are planty here, just let me know when you are coming :)
14:03 <rucinter> *plenty
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14:17 <hawmps> Romania is a beautiful country.. I hope to see it in person one day..
14:17 <rucinter> visiting is nice
14:17 <rucinter> living here is not
14:20 <hawmps> bit of an economic depression going on..
14:21 <FreeLarry58> all over
14:24 <rucinter> we are not that bad hit as the Baltic countries, but I think the worse have not yet passed
14:24 <rucinter> plus, we were under depression for ages
14:24 <rucinter> so we're kinda use to it
14:35 <hawmps> It takes more than 20 years to get rid of 75 years of communism...
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14:52 <rucinter> It shouldn't take that long
14:57 <hawmps> no, it shouldn't, but it does...
14:57 <hawmps> people do not change for the better easily.
15:06 <rucinter> true, plus the last ten years of communism were the worst
15:07 <rucinter> hours of lack of electricity daily, no prodices in stores, meat and oranges and bananas were luxury, stuff like that
15:07 <rucinter> *produces
15:18 <hawmps> just "produce" - but close enough.
15:18 <hawmps> one of those odd english plurals...
15:19 <rucinter> dammit
15:20 <rucinter> hawmps, where are you from?
15:21 <hawmps> US
15:21 <rucinter> ah, the land of the free
15:21 <hawmps> Upstate NY, exactly... much like old Romania politically (laughs)
15:21 <rucinter> been there this year
15:22 <hawmps> Hope you had a good time..
15:22 <hawmps> bbl..
15:22 <rucinter> the best
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16:08 <xcamel> re-hi
16:09 <xcamel> spork >> 220.127.116.11 (mail hacking)
16:09 <xcamel> 18.104.22.168 ditto
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17:14 <Nickuwo> Happy Bday MT
17:14 <Nickuwo> possibly belated
17:15 <Tank_Master> considering it was yesterday
17:15 <Nickuwo> wha
17:15 <Nickuwo> i dont believe it
17:15 <MTughan> It was.
17:16 <Tank_Master> well, he changed his nick yesterday
17:16 <Tank_Master> so im asuming it was yesterday
17:16 <Nickuwo> hmm, well he changed it back an hour ago, so close enough
17:17 <Nickuwo> o you are here now
17:17 <Nickuwo> happy bday
17:17 <Nickuwo> (belated)
17:17 <Nickuwo> how old are ya?
17:17 <Tank_Master> 478
17:17 <Nickuwo> damn
17:17 <Tank_Master> things have moved way south
17:19 <zombie67> WCG has new badges
17:20 <Tank_Master> woot?
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17:40 <MTughan> Nickuwo: Sorry for the delay, was reading through the mailing lists. Turned 19.
17:41 <MTughan> zombie67: Ow... I've just about got all my gold badges now, and now there's more...
17:41 <MTughan> Anyway, dinner time.
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18:31 <CoderForLife> thx for the sporks xcamel
18:31 <CoderForLife> hello folks
18:33 <CoderForLife> and thank hawmps for me when you see him. too
18:34 <xcamel> 'lo Don
18:48 <CoderForLife> hi Jay
18:57 <xcamel> meanwhile...
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19:20 <xcamel> mighty quiet..
19:21 <xcamel> btw.. 'lumber duck' is 4x larger than when I brought him home - now starting to get real feathers..
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19:28 * CoderForLife is overcome by sleepiness
19:28 <CoderForLife> gn folks
19:30 <xcamel> later
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22:28 <mweltin> boinc got on /.
22:29 <PovAddict> link or it didn't happen
22:30 <mweltin> haha
22:31 <mweltin> "Though an official announcement has not yet been made"
22:32 <mweltin> there is no real link to post
22:32 <Romulus> Title: Slashdot - News for nerds, stuff that matters (at slashdot.org)
22:33 <mweltin> nice
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22:39 <PovAddict> "Like a lot of these silly comparisons on slashdot ("My hammer is better than your screwdriver!") it comes down to using the right tool for the right job."
22:46 <mweltin> yeah the new buzz word on campus is drupal and everyone wants on the bandwagon regardless of the site they really need.
22:47 <PovAddict> sigh
22:48 <umccullough> drupal is at least pretty nice ;)
22:48 <umccullough> even if it's huge
22:54 <mweltin> it's amazing that a page will load sometimes
22:56 <umccullough> really? been administering a drupal site for a few years now...
22:56 <umccullough> anyone here in the SF/Bay area?
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23:06 <mick_laptop> hi everyone
23:07 <mick_laptop> i'm using folding@home and i just did a config and the started ./fah -verbosity 9 --- now it just says "[02:54:24] Timered checkpoint triggered.
23:07 <mick_laptop> is that a good thing - a bad thing - or do i just wait it out :)
23:08 <PovAddict> folding@home doesn't use boinc
23:09 <mick_laptop> whoops
23:09 <mick_laptop> :)
23:09 <mick_laptop> i actually thought it did
23:11 <Tank_Master> not anymore
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23:11 <Tank_Master> they did for a breaf time while testing it out
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23:12 <Tank_Master> but they elected to develop the GPU apps instead
23:12 <mick_laptop> ah, ok
23:12 <Tank_Master> howdy mweltin
23:12 <mick_laptop> does it play nice w/ boinc?
23:12 <PovAddict> mick_laptop: define "play nice"
23:12 <mick_laptop> do they step on each other's toes
23:12 <PovAddict> neither knows the other is there
23:13 <Tank_Master> if F@H can be set up to only use GPU, the BOINC can be set to only use CPU and that shouldnt cause to much trouble
23:13 <PovAddict> so both will try to take all of the "idle cycles" of your machine...
23:13 <mick_laptop> ok cool - that is what i thought, didn't want them stepping on each other's ports
23:13 <Tank_Master> they will to some extent
23:13 <mick_laptop> or each other's cpu cycles or something :)
23:14 <Tank_Master> boinc is set at the lowest possible priority, so if f2h is the same, then they will both compete for the resources (will get 1/2 of the time)
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23:14 <Tank_Master> but if F@H is a tad hige, it will take most of the time (at least on windows)
23:15 <Tank_Master> higher*
23:16 <Tank_Master> boinc can also limit the number of cpu threads it uses
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23:46 <mick_laptop> well i'm on linux anyhow
23:47 <mick_laptop> thanks for the tips guys
23:47 <mick_laptop> see you around
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23:57 <Tank_Master> RomW, you there?