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00:29 <PovAddict> efc had bad timing
00:54 <Tank_Master> sure did
00:54 <Tank_Master> wb jackygrahamez_
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01:23 <PovAddict> "611 of 614 images loaded"
01:24 <PovAddict> why are so many clueless people with websites?
01:24 <PovAddict> how is 614 images in a *blog* remotely reasonable?
01:51 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
01:51 <yoyo[RKN]> I tested a openMPI app in Boinc
01:51 <yoyo[RKN]> at least it runs, but boinc does not increase the used cpu time
01:52 <yoyo[RKN]> running was mpirun -np 4 app --mpi
01:53 <yoyo[RKN]> I think the wrapper captures only the runtime of mpirun, which is almost idle, and not also the forked childs
01:59 <PovAddict> what OS?
01:59 <Romulus> hmm... what OS is it, PovAddict
02:00 <PovAddict> on Mac, the wrapper uses wall time
02:00 <efc> ? timing?
02:01 <PovAddict> hehe
02:01 <PovAddict> nvm
02:01 <PovAddict> [00:52] <Nickuwo> eh.. group theory. i've never both loved and hated something so strongly at the same time before
02:01 <PovAddict> [00:57] <Nickuwo> women come in a close second
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02:02 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: on Linux, the wrapper looks at /proc/<pid>/stat to get the CPU time
02:04 <PovAddict> oh wait, mpirun forks new *processes*?
02:04 <PovAddict> you can't use that without writing quite a custom wrapper...
02:04 <yoyo[RKN]> yes
02:04 <PovAddict> when BOINC suspends the wrapper, the wrapper suspends the process it started
02:04 <PovAddict> non-recursively; so the forked children won't get suspended
02:05 <PovAddict> when the user aborts the task, and BOINC tells the wrapper to quit, the wrapper kills the process it started; not any subprocesses that process may have started
02:05 <PovAddict> etc
02:05 <PovAddict> the official wrapperapp never knows if the wrapped app starts new processes
02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> I tested the wrapper with mpirun on the command line
02:06 <Tank_Master> well, unless the process is coded to kill the subprocesses?
02:06 <PovAddict> so they won't be suspended, killed, or considered for CPU time
02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> when I killed the wrapper, mpirun and the chields were killed
02:06 <PovAddict> killed how? task manager?
02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> linuc, ^C
02:06 <yoyo[RKN]> linux
02:07 <yoyo[RKN]> ./wrapper
02:07 <yoyo[RKN]> ^c
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02:07 <PovAddict> maybe because *children* check if parent quits
02:08 <yoyo[RKN]> in the wrapper source I see "return linux_cpu_time(pid);"
02:08 <PovAddict> yes, linux_cpu_time parses /proc/<pid>/stat
02:08 <yoyo[RKN]> where is linux_cpu_time defined
02:08 <PovAddict> lib/util.cpp
02:09 <PovAddict> the MPI parent can't possibly kill the children, because the wrapper uses SIGKILL to kill the parent, and that signal cannot be handled
02:09 <PovAddict> (SIGKILL is what is used when you do kill -9 from the command line)
02:10 <PovAddict> in fact it seems kinda dangerous... if the wrapper used a "nicer" signal, the wrapped app could handle it specially by saving state cleanly... a SIGKILL could very well happen in the middle of a file write
02:12 <yoyo[RKN]> use a different signal, sleep 10s, than sigkill
02:13 <PovAddict> yep, could be done
02:13 <yoyo[RKN]> I did it for ogr
02:13 <PovAddict> anyway, I really don't recommend using multiple processes unless you can add BOINC API calls to any process that ever acts as a parent
02:24 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
02:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 71.6°F / 22.0°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms late. Lows in the lower 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of (1 more message)
02:25 <CoderForLife> &more
02:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west in the afternoon. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Lows in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;
02:25 <CoderForLife> back to bed
02:26 <PovAddict> actually, I dont recommend using muliple processes ever... (= no wrapper)
02:27 <PovAddict> but I know it's unavoidable sometimes
02:28 <PovAddict> off to bed
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06:24 <wdsmia> &more
06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: up to 25 mph through midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 70s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;
06:32 <hawmps> 'lo
06:33 <wdsmia> mornin Jay
06:33 <hawmps> mornin
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09:06 <KathrynM> 1 mil at ABC plus two weeks of vacation coming up
09:06 <KathrynM> Can life get any better?
09:06 <hawmps> good question...
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10:36 <hawmps> &wx 12020
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10:36 <hawmps> &more
10:36 <Romulus> hawmps: with scattered thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and heavy rainfall. Lows in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the morning... then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west 10 (1 more message)
10:36 <hawmps> &more
10:36 <Romulus> hawmps: to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 40 percent.;
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12:43 <zombie67> yoyo_RKN
12:43 <yoyo_RKN> zombie67
12:43 <zombie67> I can't get any work for my PS3
12:44 <yoyo_RKN> what does boinc tells?
12:45 <zombie67> "Reason: No work from project"
12:47 <yoyo_RKN> hmm
12:48 <zombie67> wait
12:48 <zombie67> maybe my project prefs
12:48 <zombie67> lemme look
12:48 <zombie67> duh
12:48 <zombie67> that should fix it
12:48 <yoyo_RKN> you disabled ogr
12:48 <zombie67> yeah
12:49 <zombie67> ding!
12:49 <zombie67> work d/l now
12:49 <zombie67> thanks for the help
12:51 <zombie67> I forgot that I did some windows crunching a while back
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12:54 <e-30> how is everyone doing today
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13:20 <hawmps> boo-haa
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14:55 <PovAddict> drugdiscovery is a mess, jack keeps jumping into new technologies (GPU, PS3) without making the basics work first...
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15:25 <yoyo_RKN> he jumps to much
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15:53 <xcamel> re-hi
15:54 <efc> Hey xcamel
15:54 <efc> Hows the Rubicon doing? Ready to conquer the wilderness?
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16:17 <xcamel> it does well in the woods..
16:19 <efc> Last week we did some great mountain roads, would have been super there.
16:20 <xcamel> bbiab - something got messed up...
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16:27 <xcamel> ...hate that..
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16:43 <efc> mostly national forest service but a handful of private places there.. very remove. Nice place for a pad.
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17:25 <wdsmia> &tgif
17:25 <Romulus> Agreed...
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18:24 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw
18:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 65.3Â°F / 18.5Â°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 3.8mph / 6.1km/h | Updated: 7:24 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers or drizzle. Fog patches developing this evening. Low 16C(61F).; Saturday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers or drizzle in the morning and early in the (2 more messages)
18:24 <Rookie_69> &more
18:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: afternoon. Showers beginning in the afternoon. Risk of a thundershower late in the day. Amount 2 to 4 mm(0.1 to 0.2 in). Fog patches. Wind becoming southeast 30 km/h (19 mph) in the afternoon. High 20C(68F). UV index 5 or moderate. Saturday night showers ending near midnight then cloudy. Risk of a thundershower. Amount 5 mm except locally 25 mm in the heaviest showers. Fog patches. Wind (1 more message)
18:24 <Rookie_69> &more
18:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: south 30 km/h (19 mph) becoming light near midnight. Low 16C(61F).; Sunday - Sunny. High 24C(75F).;
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18:54 <xcamel> re-hi
18:57 <zombie67> crap. a lot of the part-time projects decided to issue work all at the same time
18:57 <zombie67> VP, malaria, lattice
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19:14 <zombie67> YES! problems with my iMac. Keeps locking up for no reason. Took it in first time, they claimed it was the HD and replaced it. Still happened. 2nt time, they replaced the mobo. Still happened.
19:15 <zombie67> just now they called to tell me they will be replacing it with a brand new imac! faster proc, double RAM, better graphics
19:15 <zombie67> w00t!
19:16 <xcamel> eh?
19:18 <zombie67> yeah. nice, eh?
19:18 <xcamel> indeed.
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19:19 <PovAddict> zombie67: ask MTughan about his experience with Apple hardware
19:19 <PovAddict> the support is *awesome*
19:20 <zombie67> this is the first apple HW problem I have ever had....after about 10 macs.
19:21 <PovAddict> MT had quite a few HW issues
19:21 <xcamel> I had one of the exploding hd's in a macbook
19:21 <PovAddict> but in all cases the support was great
19:21 <zombie67> exploding HDs? Never heard of that one.
19:22 <zombie67> wait, I take it back. I had an iBook HD fail. But that's not unique to apples. All HDs fail sooner or later
19:22 <PovAddict> not literally exploding
19:22 <PovAddict> (I hope!)
19:23 <xcamel> these didn't fail... they self-destructed
19:23 <zombie67> when do we CUDA drivers for OSX?
19:24 <xcamel> wen do we get real cuda drivers for linux?
19:26 <xcamel> hmmm.. the h went silent
19:27 <wdsmia> soon as linux becomes a real OS :P
19:28 <xcamel> fsck you
19:28 <xcamel> :-)
19:28 <wdsmia> lol
19:28 <Rookie_69> Consider yourself told, Doug.
19:49 <CoderForLife> hello
19:49 <wdsmia> *lo Don
19:49 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.
19:49 <CoderForLife> hey Doug Glenn
19:52 * CoderForLife finshes up paying the bills, and dougs, and glenns
19:54 <wdsmia> paying dougs... wheres my money?
19:54 <Rookie_69> The dougs and the glenns decide to roll bill and split his share.
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19:54 <xcamel> lol
19:55 <xcamel> NBC chimes... "Don, Doug, Dong"
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20:37 <Rookie_69> Gonna be busy the next two afternoons... Someone gives me the keys to their boat and says "Let's go downtown and look at the Tall Ships", I'm gonna be out there.
20:38 <Rookie_69> ... The Eagle is supposed to be here...
20:41 <wdsmia> I guess you could call a bark a tall ship
20:41 <Rookie_69> ... barque...
20:44 <wdsmia> excuse my french ;P
20:45 <Rookie_69> Caninese.
20:45 <wdsmia> woof
20:47 <Rookie_69> What did the dog say when he scratched against a pine tree? Ruff bark.
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21:06 <CoderForLife> watch that carp crap - you're splashing me, too
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21:12 <CoderForLife> gn folks
21:13 <Rookie_69> NN.
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21:27 <Rookie_69> NN.
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21:33 <PovAddict> "One of these things is not like the other......."
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22:05 <jasong1> Off-topic: Mental is a damn good show, set the dvr next week if you need to go out. :)
22:08 <jasong1> Wow, a Commodore on BOINC, that's awesome, that NVIDIA app must not use much cpu, lol
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23:10 <PovAddict> jasong: it's not a commodore
23:10 <PovAddict> it's a PC with modified specs :P
23:10 <PovAddict> I think he modified the boinc client to send that
23:10 <jasong> Yes, I know, I was trying to be funny
23:11 <jasong> Does anyone know where I can find out if a k is reserved for a prime project?
23:11 <PovAddict> zombie67: you missed the link http://members.shaw.ca/akinakin/xeon5520/vic20.jpg
23:11 <PovAddict> (efc might be even more interested)
23:13 <jasong> is the Eon project being ported to graphics cards?
23:13 <jasong> I thought maybe it was, but I didn't see anything on the site
23:14 <efc> interesting
23:16 <efc> people have been faking out stuff like that for a long time. seem to find it entertaining.
23:16 <PovAddict> more entertaining to try porting boinc to the real thing
23:21 <efc> too bad my 386 died
23:37 <zombie67> vic 20?