IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-07-21

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00:05 <randomb3251> ooo rosetta put up 4000 WU !!

00:06 <randomb3251> does "Reset Project" clear my record of work done?

00:08 <PovAddict> it clears all work you have on your computer

00:08 <PovAddict> of course it doesn't reset your credits...

00:12 <randomb3251> 4482 on the server and i still can't fetch any

00:12 <randomb3251> what is this blasphemy

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00:20 <randomb3251> wow back to 9 WUs

00:21 <randomb3251> 10days worth of WU's would be 30 WU's

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02:23 <PovAddict> hi tricaric

02:24 <PovAddict> do you admin a project or am I mixing things up?

02:26 <tricaric> hi! yes, orbit@home

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03:50 <Tank_Master> any good news about orbit#home?

04:01 <tricaric> things are slow... the main code of the new app is there, but more work is needed to organize automatic creation of WUs and treatment of results...

04:05 <Tank_Master> what about getting the data to process? has that gotten any easier?

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04:34 <tricaric> the data is now available online from the MPC, no problem with that

04:38 <Tank_Master> oh, good

04:38 <Tank_Master> orbit is one of the few projects that I haev attached to all my comps :)

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04:50 <Tank_Master> ill brb

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06:25 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 63.2F / 17.3C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy until late afternoon then becoming partly sunny. Numerous showers in the morning...then scattered showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 70s. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

06:25 <wdsmia> &more

06:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 60 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms through midnight. Low in the upper 50s. Northeast wind near 5 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind around 5 mph.;

06:31 <hawmps> 'lo

06:31 <wdsmia> mornin

06:36 <hawmps> Doug... any reason why an 8800GTS won't process cuda in linux?

06:38 <Tank_Master> which 8800?

06:38 <hawmps> GTS

06:38 <Tank_Master> again... which one? :P

06:39 <Tank_Master> the 512mb uses a different processing unint the the 320 ot 6xxmb

06:39 <Tank_Master> or*

06:39 <hawmps> just a sec..

06:40 <hawmps> NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8800 GTS (driver version 0, compute capability 1.0, 640MB, est. 41GFLOPS)

06:40 <hawmps> shows in messages just fine

06:40 <hawmps> it's the damned driver..

06:40 <Tank_Master> he 640 is CUDA 1.0

06:40 <Tank_Master> the*

06:40 <Tank_Master> I know that GPU grid requieres CUDA 1.1 or higher

06:41 <Tank_Master> to run

06:41 <hawmps> that is in the nvidia driver, not the card IIRC

06:41 <Tank_Master> both

06:41 <Tank_Master> the card only supports up to a certain CUDA level

06:41 <Tank_Master> the 320/640 is only 1.0 compliant

06:46 <Tank_Master> anywho, its 3:45AM, im off to bed

06:46 <wdsmia> only one box  running  cuda and  its not *nix

06:46 <Tank_Master> http://aqua.dwavesys.com/forum_thread.php?id=165 <- might help, but I dunno

06:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/nt4o45> (at aqua.dwavesys.com)

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08:24 <hawmps> &wx 12020

08:24 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 68.1F / 20.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Highs in the mid 70s. East winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Patchy dense fog after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. Southeast (1 more message)

08:25 <hawmps> &more

08:25 <Romulus> hawmps: winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. A 40 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 80s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast in the afternoon.;

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08:38 <elmo40> any Canadian cities?

08:38 <elmo40> &wx toronto

08:38 <Romulus> elmo40: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM EDT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 30 percent chance of showers this morning. High 23C(73F). UV index 8 or very high.; Tonight - Cloudy. 30 percent chance of showers this evening. Low 17C(63F).; Wednesday - Cloudy with sunny (1 more message)

08:39 <elmo40> wow, high UV index

08:39 <elmo40> odd how they are two different results.

08:42 <hawmps> it's good for worldwide weather

08:42 <hawmps> either by city, or ICAO airport identifier.

08:42 <elmo40> which service does it get the info from?

08:43 <hawmps> several

08:43 <elmo40> airport code? nice.

08:43 <elmo40> &wx yyz

08:43 <Romulus> elmo40: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM EDT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 40 percent chance of showers this morning and early this afternoon. High 24C(75F). UV index 8 or very high.; Tonight - Cloudy. 30 percent chance of showers this evening. Low 15C(59F).; (1 more message)

08:43 <elmo40> same ;)

08:44 <hawmps> &wx CYTZ

08:44 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM EDT; Today - A mix of sun and cloud. 30 percent chance of showers this morning. High 23C(73F). UV index 8 or very high.; Tonight - Cloudy. 30 percent chance of showers this evening. Low 17C(63F).; Wednesday - Cloudy with sunny (1 more message)

08:45 <hawmps> etc..etc..

08:47 <elmo40> nice airport

08:47 <hawmps> &wx deadhorse

08:47 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 25mph / 41km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs 45 to 55. East winds 25 to 35 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog. Lows 35 to 40. East winds 30 to 35 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs 45 (1 more message)

08:48 <elmo40> i dont even know where that is

08:49 <hawmps> prudhoe bay, alaska

08:50 <elmo40> never been.

08:50 <elmo40> i may, some day...

08:52 <elmo40> just to say 'i have been where palin works.' :P

08:59 <hawmps> beautiful state..

09:01 <elmo40> the pictures online do show that it is beautiful. until it grays out all the oil...

09:22 <hawmps> naaah...

09:23 <hawmps> looks like a geforce 295 is going to solve this problem..

09:33 <wdsmia_w> you better find a solution before Paul passes you lol

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09:37 <hawmps> p~~~

09:40 <elmo40> is that a bad 4-letter word?

09:40 <elmo40> P~~~

09:40 <hawmps> 'llama spit'

09:40 <wdsmia_w> its just air excaping ;)

09:44 <elmo40> from which end??? O_o

09:45 <hawmps> depends on the llama...

09:47 <hawmps> I'm happy enough with 14+ million credits..

09:52 <wdsmia_w> 46,341,724.63

09:55 <wdsmia_w> I need a few more gpu's to boost my rac to 500K

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10:10 <elmo40> i dont have too many. been using laptops and old P4's for a number of years now ;)

10:12 <hawmps> Doug seems to have a secret stash of Tesla 1070's

10:12 <wdsmia_w> I wish

10:23 <hawmps> don't we all..

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11:42 <PovAddict> &wx eze

11:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.53in / 1000hPa | Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM ART; Rain. High:55 F.; Rain. Low:41 F.; Chance of Rain. High:50 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:50 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:32 F.;

11:43 <PovAddict> raining cats and dogs

11:43 <PovAddict> for a change (not sarcasm)

11:43 <MTughan> Go outside and pick one up. :)

11:44 <PovAddict> http://www.instantrimshot.com/

11:44 <Romulus> Title: Instant Rimshot (at www.instantrimshot.com)

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12:41 <MTughan> WHQL-certified 190.38 drivers are out from Nvidia.

12:53 <Tank_Master> already?

12:53 <Tank_Master> the betas just came out a few days ago

12:53 <Tank_Master> which I installed last night ofcorse

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13:32 <hawmps> no update for linux though...

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13:43 <Tank_Master> new feature for CUDA 2.3:

13:43 <Tank_Master> The CUFFT Library now supports double-precision transforms and includes significant performance improvements for single-precision transforms as well. See the CUDA Toolkit release notes for details.

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14:19 <hawmps> cuda 2.3... hmmm...

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14:21 <Tank_Master> yeah, seems it should perform better than the earlier versions to

14:22 <PovAddict> chess960 starting to get work again

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14:24 <Tank_Master> yeah, so I saw

14:24 <Tank_Master> though I dont care about that project

14:28 <PovAddict> new 6.6 version coming soon

14:29 <Tank_Master> for boinc?

14:29 <PovAddict> 6.6.38

14:29 <Tank_Master> whats broken in it? :P

14:29 <Tank_Master> and to think I just upgraded to 37 today

14:30 <PovAddict> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=21

14:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ku6yjd> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

14:30 <Tank_Master> Please check back in a few hours.

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14:39 <hawmps> now.. here's the question - I just ordered an asus flavored GTX 295..

14:39 <hawmps> hopefully the firmware can be upgraded to support 2.3

14:46 <Tank_Master> im starting to wonder if perhams the newer ones can support the higher CUDA versions

14:46 <Tank_Master> and perhaps it was just the 1.0s that couldnt...

14:46 <Tank_Master> but I am not sure

14:51 <hawmps> my older 8800 seems to be a loss, but the newer one in the winbox rocks right alomg

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15:50 <PovAddict> http://www.primegrid.com/bandwidth.png

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16:00 <xcamel> re-hi

16:10 <xcamel> back to the credit warz again, eh?

16:20 <PovAddict> yup

16:22 <Tank_Master> back?

16:22 <Tank_Master> you left?

16:22 <xcamel> time to bring my benchmark project suggestion up again...

16:23 <xcamel> 4 or 6 closed source short workunits that score the machine, and give a baseline multiplier for credit earned.

16:24 <PovAddict> xcamel: did you read my two long credit rants on the list, and see how your suggestion would work in those situations?

16:25 <xcamel> yup.. still works, but the projects have to comply with the "boinc" benchmark standards

16:26 <PovAddict> they already have to...

16:26 <xcamel> no hybrid credit situations allowed

16:27 <xcamel> no.. you miss my point. boinc needs it's own boinc benchmarking project

16:27 <Tank_Master> mmm... hybrids...

16:27 <PovAddict> I know that

16:27 <xcamel> not the stupid internal (and ancient) benchmarks

16:28 * Tank_Master things BOINC needs a pr0n@home project

16:28 <PovAddict> the current credit standards are "give same credits as SETI", and the future ones will be "follow the benchmark project"... so my point stands, projects already have to follow a standard, you're just changing what the standard is

16:28 <Tank_Master> thinks*

16:28 <xcamel> tm needs a cold shower

16:28 <Tank_Master> lol

16:28 <Tank_Master> I took one last night

16:29 <xcamel> changing to modern irrefutable bm standard is what people want

16:29 <xcamel> it would need to run prior to allowing attachment to any other projects

16:29 <PovAddict> how do you enforce that?

16:30 <PovAddict> consider that, last I heard, there's people still running BOINC 4.x on Einstein@Home...

16:30 <xcamel> simple 'first run' code

16:31 <xcamel> oh..that.. "no work for you" until you upgrade...

16:31 <PovAddict> client-side checking is like no checking at all; how do you make sure users don't remove it, or run clients that never had it

16:31 <xcamel> because all their wu's will fail (version key)

16:32 <xcamel> or version key tag

16:32 <PovAddict> boinc is open source; remove check, keep version, compile, run

16:32 <xcamel> it's already been done a couple of times

16:33 <PovAddict> anyway; DA doesn't want anything "centralized" in BOINC

16:33 <xcamel> and there will always be jerks that try to cheat.

16:33 <Tank_Master> and DA is the god of BOINC...

16:34 <Tank_Master> but your right pov, its way to easy to mess with the benchmark scores

16:34 <xcamel> DA wants everything "equal"... like socialists... equally miserable...

16:34 <Tank_Master> all you godda do is use notebad and edit 2 lines

16:34 * wdsmia_w rolls his eyes and heads for the bar

16:34 <Tank_Master> LOL xcamel

16:34 <Tank_Master> nice 1 wdsmia_w

16:34 <Tank_Master> :)

16:35 <xcamel> "All New In Version 7" .....

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16:35 <xcamel> ...says the guy with 43 million credits....

16:36 <Tank_Master> I think DA wont be happy untill everyone has the same score

16:37 <xcamel> kinda sad, eh?

16:37 <Tank_Master> I mean, its not fair that someone gets mroe points jsut because they work for a university and have acess to thousands fo comps and spend meny hours a day managing it, right?

16:38 <Tank_Master> hehe :D

16:38 <xcamel> I'v had this battle over and over again... for like 6 years now... nothing useful has been done.

16:38 <Tank_Master> agreed

16:39 <xcamel> astropulse (boinc) version 0.7 was my first..

16:39 <Tank_Master> I hoped on soon after UD (now WCG) started using BOINC

16:40 <Tank_Master> there were only 4 or 6 projects at that time...

16:40 <Tank_Master> man, the simple days :P

16:40 <xcamel> indeed..

16:42 <xcamel> I still only am active on 5 or 6 of them

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16:43 <Tank_Master> atm im only running 2 or 3

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16:51 <xcamel> depends on the box..

16:52 <xcamel> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_13409.gif

16:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/a7jpqp> (at www.boincstats.com)

16:52 <xcamel> I try to keep my rac > 500

16:54 <MTughan> I'm getting more credits than Jay/day.

16:55 <xcamel> how many boxes?

16:56 <xcamel> or should I say "how many special project builds"??

16:57 <MTughan> 2 boxes.

16:58 <xcamel> how do you figure you're getting more credits then?

16:58 <PovAddict> GPU

16:58 <MTughan> Because I'm getting about 70-90K/day.

16:58 <FreeLarry58> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_18923.gif

16:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8jhky7> (at www.boincstats.com)

16:58 <PovAddict> who here is in the PrimeGrid challenge?

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16:59 <xcamel> that will change...

17:01 <xcamel> boincstats user?

17:01 <MTughan> 991407

17:02 <MTughan> http://boincstats.com/stats/compare_graph.php?pr=bo&table=users&id[]=100947&id[]=18923&id[]=991407&id[]=13409

17:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/67upzy> (at boincstats.com)

17:03 <PovAddict> yup your line is steeper

17:03 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_bo_compare_credits_users_13409;18923;991407.gif

17:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lpu7t9> (at boincstats.com)

17:03 <xcamel> all milkyway...

17:04 <PovAddict> yup

17:04 <MTughan> Yeah, because nothing else supports ATI.

17:04 <PovAddict> all GPU

17:04 <MTughan> On average, I'm getting just over 1 credit/sec on a WU.

17:05 <PovAddict> and that's where my credit scenario of doom appears... if MW had optimized the CPU app further before releasing the GPU app, they'd give less credits for GPUs now

17:05 <PovAddict> makes no sense...

17:05 <MTughan> PovAddict: Except they didn't release a GPU app.

17:06 <MTughan> It's third-party.

17:06 <Tank_Master> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_29090.gif

17:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6kyauz> (at www.boincstats.com)

17:07 <MTughan> The dev noticed that the code was embarrassingly parallel, and ported it to GPU.

17:07 <Tank_Master> theres 2 projects that support ATI now

17:07 <MTughan> Yeah, I like my banner better... http://boincstats.com/signature/user_banner_bam61878.png

17:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/mtvwzl> (at boincstats.com)

17:08 <MTughan> Flatter. :)

17:08 <MTughan> What's the second?

17:08 <xcamel> my, what a big list you have... [barf]

17:08 <Tank_Master> http://boincstats.com/signature/user_banner_bam123.png

17:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/nm686o> (at boincstats.com)

17:08 <MTughan> That's still not exactly what I meant.

17:09 <MTughan> Hide your idle projects, it'll look better.

17:09 <Tank_Master> http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/ <- second ATI project

17:09 <Romulus> Title: Collatz Conjecture (at boinc.thesonntags.com)

17:09 <MTughan> Yeah, but that's still invite-only, isn't it?

17:10 <Tank_Master> Come one and all!

17:10 <Tank_Master> July 10, 2009, 19:02 CST

17:10 <Tank_Master> The invite code has been turned off so anyone can join. Email notifications are now working also.

17:10 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d7ba6a09a

17:10 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

17:10 <MTughan> Cool.

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17:11 <PovAddict> actually, my bad... those constraints can be satisfied

17:12 <PovAddict> but you can't also have the same credits per GPU second in all projects

17:15 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/ddef2f0 better

17:15 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

17:15 <xcamel> the credit should be in "ticks"

17:16 * Tank_Master dont like ticks

17:16 <xcamel> they bite.

17:17 <PovAddict> show me a solution to the above-pastebinned problem...

17:17 <FreeLarry58> dang didn't even realize broke 11M yesterday

17:17 <Tank_Master> congratz

17:17 <Tank_Master> BOINC Project Stats Member Name: [SETI.USA]Tank_Master Total Credits: 11697974 RAC: 34977 Credit Rank: 705 Rac Rank: 660

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17:18 <PovAddict> use flops, ticks, central benchmark project, fixed credits... anything you want

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17:20 <xcamel> sarcasm is unbecoming ...

17:20 <Tank_Master> pfft

17:20 <Tank_Master> its the norm here

17:20 <xcamel> "giblets" That's the ticket!

17:22 <FreeLarry58> hot x buns anyone ;)

17:22 <xcamel> donut holes...

17:23 <FreeLarry58> cream puffs

17:23 <xcamel> lord knows we have enough strange quarks

17:24 * FreeLarry58 course if i ate those things world gas crisis may be averted

17:24 <xcamel> we need nukes-in-a-box

17:24 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:25 <xcamel> 'lo

17:25 * FreeLarry58 goes skipping away singing beans, beans the magical....

17:27 <xcamel> no comment

17:28 <Tank_Master> beans give me gass

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17:34 <PovAddict> tmi

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18:54 <FreeLarry58> dang it must have knocked a cable loose on the hd when putting in the new vid card

18:54 <FreeLarry58> will check it later

18:55 * FreeLarry58 hopes 650w ps is enough for 9800 card

18:55 <MTughan> Should be.

18:55 <wdsmia> sometimes its tought shoehorning in that gpu

18:55 <FreeLarry58> if not 850w on floor to go in

18:56 <FreeLarry58> that and 250's or 260's

18:56 <FreeLarry58> may have to reroute all cables in that box

18:58 <Tank_Master> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5

18:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ljo62h> (at news.cnet.com)

18:58 <Tank_Master> Microsoft embraces GPL, opens Hyper-V to Linux with LinuxIC

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21:12 <Nickuwo> whew... paul buck hatin' on DA

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22:23 <Tank_Master> lol

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23:45 <smglnewb> Romulus: hello, dafty duft

23:45 <Romulus> smglnewb: Are you daft?

23:45 <smglnewb> Romulus: I can assure you that I am not.

23:45 <Romulus> smglnewb: lolwut?

23:45 <smglnewb> Romulus: I will ponder this and return you a reply. One moment please.

23:45 <Romulus> smglnewb: lolwut?

23:45 <smglnewb> Whoever is using rosetta here - do you get really slow downloads from the server? To the tune of 0kb/s ?

23:45 * Tank_Master mutes the n00b

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