IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-07-26

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01:16 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:16 <efc> Moo

01:18 <yoyo[RKN]> I have initial replication=6 and quorum=2. I set it back to to for all wus

01:18 <yoyo[RKN]> back to 2

01:19 <yoyo[RKN]> can I now remove the not sent wus

01:25 <PovAddict> yes, you can just UPDATE in the workunit table; but you should ./bin/stop first

01:25 <PovAddict> oh, remove unsent... that's trickier...

01:26 <yoyo[RKN]> delete from result where appid=3 and server_state=2 and workunitid=27798

01:27 <PovAddict> did you edit the workunit table for replication value, already?

01:27 <yoyo[RKN]> and afterwards set ransition_time in wu table to the past to generate the required unsents

01:27 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

01:28 <PovAddict> what's your feeder settings?

01:28 <PovAddict> for workunit-sending order

01:28 <yoyo[RKN]> oldest first

01:28 <PovAddict> then yes, I think your solution is the best idea

01:29 <PovAddict> if you were using random, just leaving it as-is would have probably been enough, since once 'quorum' results are back, the unsent ones will be auto-aborted with "didn't need"

01:29 <PovAddict> you'd still crunch more than you need, but not too much

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01:29 <PovAddict> but using oldest first, all six results will get sent

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01:37 <yoyo[RKN]> I have batches which should be completed. feeder running with -random leads to not finishing them for a very long time

01:37 <PovAddict> maybe there needs to be a new switch that orders by priority first, random second?

01:38 <PovAddict> or what about this...

01:38 <yoyo[RKN]> but priority is only the priority field

01:38 <PovAddict> yes. if you want a batch done quick, change priority field :)

01:38 <PovAddict> anyway

01:38 <PovAddict> what about this:

01:39 <PovAddict> you have a batch with replication=3 and quorum=2

01:39 <PovAddict> try to send two results per WU *first*

01:39 <yoyo[RKN]> yes this would be what I need

01:39 <PovAddict> only once two results per WU were sent, start sending the "thirds" (for WUs that weren't validated yet)

01:40 <PovAddict> so, let's say... order by (quorum - results sent)

01:40 <PovAddict> (which may be a negative value)

01:41 <PovAddict> quorum - results sent = results remaining to be sent before quorum is reached

01:41 <PovAddict> so only once it's 0, the 'extra' ones start getting sent

01:41 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

01:41 <PovAddict> right?

01:42 <PovAddict> or am I reaching to wrong 2:42am conclusions?

01:42 <yoyo[RKN]> but if I create new wus than they are sent

01:42 <PovAddict> hmm right, if you make new wus, then those will have a higher calculated 'remaining results' value

01:42 <PovAddict> so they will be sent before

01:43 <PovAddict> anyway, I should be getting some sleep now

01:43 <yoyo[RKN]> I think I set initial_replication=quorum=2 and if I need them fast once than I create more

01:43 <yoyo[RKN]> sleep well

01:43 <PovAddict> if I'm around tomorrow, we could make some test cases

01:43 <PovAddict> of what you want sent first in different situations

01:44 <PovAddict> then try to come up with an ordering that matches those testcases

01:44 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

01:45 <PovAddict> your needs don't seem trivial to implement, but sounds like many projects may want something similar

01:46 <yoyo[RKN]> so the oldes_first options clashes somehow if initial_replication is > than quorum

01:49 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 12.151 / 181.93

01:49 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 0.0667894245039

01:57 <PovAddict> while getting ready for sleep, had an idea: oldest first orders by result creation, not wu creation; so set initial replication=quorum, let transitioner create the results, then bump replication and let transitioner make the extra ones

01:58 <PovAddict> those 'extra ones' will have a later creation date

01:58 <PovAddict> so they will be sent only after the first 'quorum' ones are all sent

01:59 <PovAddict> no need to add a new order mode to the feeder

02:05 <PovAddict> wrong! priority_order_create_time orders by *workunit* ID

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02:05 <PovAddict> so scratch that :(

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06:59 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 64.7F / 18.2C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.57in / 1001.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny early...then becoming partly sunny. Patchy fog early this morning. A chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. West winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

07:00 <CoderForLife> &more

07:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then mostly clear after midnight. Lows in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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08:22 <xcamel_> 'lo

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08:30 <CoderForLife> mornin

08:33 <wdsmia> yawn

08:33 <Shiftey> anyone else having troubles fetching work from rosetta?

08:36 <MTughan> Shiftey: I've heard reports of it over the past few days.

08:37 <MTughan> Rosetta had just under 42,000 WUs ready to send about 4 minutes ago.

08:38 <MTughan> Shiftey: You might also want to check Rosetta's forums.

08:38 <Romulus> Title: Message boards : Number crunching (at

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09:38 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

09:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the mid 80s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 60s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of thunderstorms. High in the upper 80s. Southwest (1 more message)

09:39 <wdsmia> &more

09:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

10:35 <xcamel> &wx 12074

10:35 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 79.1F / 26.2C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 14.0mph / 22.5km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms this morning...then partly sunny with scattered showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce damaging winds and (2 more messages)

10:35 <xcamel> &more\

10:35 <Romulus> xcamel: lolwut?

10:35 <xcamel> &more

10:35 <Romulus> xcamel: heavy rainfall this afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce damaging winds and heavy rainfall in the evening. Humid with lows in the upper 60s. South (1 more message)

10:35 <xcamel> &more

10:35 <Romulus> xcamel: winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Monday - Patchy fog in the morning. Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Humid with highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

10:35 <xcamel> uh-huh.

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12:32 <CoderForLife> interesting

12:32 <Romulus> Title: The Size Of Our World (at

12:32 <CoderForLife> now, what were you saying about the size of your problem?  =)

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13:53 <PovAddict> O_O

14:00 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: apparently it'd take an hour for light to go from one end to the other of Antares

14:00 <PovAddict> it has a radius of 31 "light minutes"

14:13 <CoderForLife> heh  interesting

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14:15 <CoderForLife> ISO country codes, USPS state codes, etc - sum phun

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15:41 <XioNYC> CoderForLife: Dunno if it's of any help, but I remember UNLOCODEs being useful as a foundation for building that kind of database <>

15:41 <Romulus> Title: UN/LOCODE - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

15:44 <CoderForLife> thx XioNYC - I'll look at that

15:45 <CoderForLife> these are values to populate dropdowns/pickers with acceptable values

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18:19 <BSDeepa> I accidently got a profile that doesn't allow network communication

18:20 <BSDeepa> And I keep on getting that profile all the time, and the only way I can manage the client is through a remote boinc manager :P

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19:52 <CoderForLife> windoze update reboot

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23:23 <PovAddict> sheesh

23:23 <PovAddict> "Eric Korpela has learned his lesson. 'Never blog about health care, because you'll end up in the hospital two days later'. I'm fine, BTW."

23:38 <jasong> lol, I accidentally left it in the livecd state

23:38 <jasong> oops, wrong window

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