IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-08-05

00:00 <PovAddict> you mean you can't compare them like that? gee, who'd have guessed

00:00 <Tank_Master> lol

00:01 <zombie67> question:  will credits earned at Rosetta, but via PTP, be shown on BOINCstats?

00:01 <PovAddict> probably

00:02 <PovAddict> and if fbuser_ = Matt, he could tell you for sure

00:02 <zombie67> as individual users?  Or as a single FB user?

00:02 <PovAddict> individual users

00:02 <PovAddict> only way it could track what credits are yours...

00:03 <zombie67> now!  What if I have one machine running BOINC, and one running FB?

00:03 <zombie67> or the same machine running both?

00:03 <zombie67> this is a MESS

00:03 <PovAddict> both count in both places correctly (if it's the same project account)

00:03 <PovAddict> from a technical standpoint, PTP is an account manager, like GR or BAM

00:04 <PovAddict> it's made for new users, so it creates new accounts on the projects too (like you can do from BAM)

00:04 <PovAddict> however, you can make it see your existing project account(s) too, by selecting "No" when it asks if you're new to volunteer computing

00:05 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/ptp2.png

00:05 <zombie67> no takes you down an ugly path

00:06 <zombie67> also, now that you are doing everything via FB, how do you adjust your run time (for rosetta), or opt in/out of GPU or TEST...or...?

00:07 <PovAddict> you don't?

00:08 <zombie67> the whole POINT of the FB app is to make all the "ugliness" of BOINC be invisible, for stupid users

00:08 <zombie67> so that they never see any of it

00:08 <PovAddict> you can't hide complexity

00:08 <zombie67> and feel good about themselves

00:08 <zombie67> by helping

00:09 <PovAddict> you can clean the floor by leaving the dust under the carpet, and nobody will notice, hopefully

00:09 <zombie67> hiding complexity is the WHOLE POINT!

00:09 <PovAddict> but you can't hide an elephant under the carpet

00:10 <PovAddict> do you disagree that BOINC complexity is elephant-sized? :)

00:10 <Tank_Master> sure you can

00:10 <Tank_Master> with a large enough hole and a large enough carpet

00:10 <MTughan> ...

00:10 <zombie67> i'm gonna go order my comics

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00:11 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Hope no one steps on the carpet.

00:11 <Tank_Master> agreed

00:11 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: eventually BOINC will stop working because the user didn't take care of the elephant when in fact he didn't even know there was one

00:11 <Tank_Master> lol

00:12 <PovAddict> getting out of the analogy; if the preferences aren't needed, why do they exist?

00:12 <PovAddict> if setting memory limits in the website is necessary, we shouldn't hide it from FB users

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00:13 <PovAddict> if it's not necessary, let's remove it and make BOINC simpler for everybody

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00:14 <Tank_Master> I hated it when they implmited the memory limits

00:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: http://www.xkcd.com/619/

00:14 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Supported Features (at www.xkcd.com)

00:14 <Tank_Master> I didnt know it, then was wondering why my comp was running slow

00:15 <MTughan> Can that analogy be ported to BOINC?

00:15 <Tank_Master> BOIN was running out of the swap space

00:15 <Tank_Master> even though there was a gig of ram free

00:16 <zombie67> HAH!

00:17 <zombie67> so...4k CPUs, running TLP, will need 5000gb RAM

00:17 <MTughan> My point about that comic is that Linux has worked on cool features the geeks love, but what about practical features?

00:18 <MTughan> Can the same be said for BOINC?

00:18 <zombie67> that analogy?  Thank god you got FB front-end running!  WAY more important than ATI, MT, or proper scheduling working!

00:18 <zombie67> MT, yes, i got the point

00:18 <MTughan> How is CUDA support now?

00:18 <zombie67> CUDA?  poor

00:19 <Tank_Master> havent had issues here

00:19 <PovAddict> zombie67: who cares if someone needs it

00:19 <Tank_Master> on windows anyway

00:19 <Tank_Master> (CPU 1) Intel® Core™2 Extreme CPU X9750 @ 3.16GHz (12288KB L2 Cache, LGA 775) @ 4050MHz (407MHz FSB), 100% load

00:19 <PovAddict> there was money in the FB thing :)

00:19 <PovAddict> also

00:19 <PovAddict> look around at the world

00:19 <PovAddict> everyone wants new customers, and treats potential new customers way better than existing customers

00:20 <zombie67> cuda will sit idle if resouce share is not high enough, a single resource share for multiple devices???

00:20 <zombie67> pov, same with employees

00:20 <zombie67> and treats potential new employees way better than existing customers

00:20 <zombie67> er

00:20 <zombie67> and treats potential new employees way better than existing employees

00:20 <PovAddict> Exhibit A: nice colorful digital camera ads; you buy the camera and it comes with a black-and-white badly-translated-from-chinese manual that doesn't have much useful information

00:20 <PovAddict> especially the troubleshooting section (of any electronic device)

00:21 <PovAddict> once they run out of "is it plugged in, is it turned on", there's no more help

00:21 <PovAddict> Exhibit B: phone or ISP plans

00:21 <PovAddict> great cheap prices*! sign up now!

00:21 <PovAddict> (* for the first 6 months)

00:22 <PovAddict> and users who have been paying for three years don't get any such benefits

00:22 <PovAddict> get rid of the service, sign up again, and you may get a cheap plan :D

00:22 <zombie67> you must buy A to get the sale price on B is illegal in the US...yet the telcos get away with it

00:23 <PovAddict> I haven't seen *that* myself

00:23 <PovAddict> not two things bundled

00:23 <PovAddict> but the "half price the first N months", it's *everywhere*

00:23 <PovAddict> maybe one way is switching providers

00:23 <MTughan> zombie67: Oh, you mean the steep discounts on phones with contracts?

00:23 <PovAddict> go to provider A

00:24 <PovAddict> 6 months later, once the cheapness finishes, switch to B, use *their* cheap 6 months... :)

00:24 <PovAddict> go back to A

00:24 <MTughan> Depends on how long the promotions last.

00:24 <PovAddict> what do you mean?

00:25 <MTughan> And they probably won't let you have the discount if you're a previous customer.

00:25 <zombie67> if I want to buy an unlocked phone it costs $500

00:25 <PovAddict> promotions are replaced by new ones all the time

00:25 <PovAddict> also

00:25 <PovAddict> from a friend's experience

00:25 <MTughan> They may not keep the promotional pricing forever, so you run the risk of running out with no promotion to go to.

00:25 <zombie67> but if I buy it with a two year contract, it costs $0

00:25 <PovAddict> best way to get a discount is to call saying you want to take down the service

00:25 <MTughan> PovAddict: Ah yes, I've heard that before.

00:25 <MTughan> Then they offer you a discount to stay with them.

00:26 <zombie67> and with the iPhone, you cannot change to a different telco

00:26 <PovAddict> zombie67: sure you can

00:26 <PovAddict> ;)

00:26 <zombie67> no, not if you want 3g

00:26 <MTughan> zombie67: The FTC is looking into stuff like that.

00:26 <PovAddict> that's like saying "you can't get Windows for free" :D

00:26 <zombie67> the FTC is OWNED by the telcos

00:26 <MTughan> I thought it was owned by the government.

00:27 <zombie67> quit distracting me

00:27 <zombie67> i am trying to order comics

00:27 <PovAddict> lol

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00:27 <zombie67> ocd

00:28 <PovAddict> don't want to miss anything?

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00:29 <Tank_Master> so, zombie67, you distracted yet?

00:29 <MTughan> "Right now, the cell carriers spend about $6 billion a year on advertising. Why doesn't it occur to them that they'd attract a heck of a lot more customers by making them happy instead of miserable? By being less greedy and obnoxious? By doing what every other industry does: try to please customers instead of entrap and bilk them? But no. Apparently, persuading cell carriers to treat their customers decently would take an act of Congress."

00:29 <PovAddict> heh

00:29 <MTughan> Quote from http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/07/25/1438217/

00:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/levfuu> (at mobile.slashdot.org)

00:29 <PovAddict> I have a prepaid plan on my cellphone

00:29 <MTughan> Same here.

00:29 <PovAddict> do you even have those?

00:29 <zombie67> like every other industry?  Like the RIAA?

00:30 <MTughan> With all the minutes I use, I maybe get $15/month or less.

00:30 <zombie67> pre-paid not available with iphone

00:30 <PovAddict> you buy cards with a long number that you enter on the phone to charge it...

00:30 <zombie67> only one carrier legally can service iphone

00:30 <PovAddict> the damn thing expires

00:30 <MTughan> Oh, I don't have a system like that... Our prepaid services that my family has is recharged automatically via credit card.

00:31 <MTughan> zombie67: Sorry, not the FTC. The FCC.

00:31 <PovAddict> MTughan: well, you can also get those from ATMs

00:31 <PovAddict> or online

00:32 <PovAddict> my mom uses her bank website, types the cellphone number and the amount

00:32 <PovAddict> anyway

00:32 <PovAddict> it expires

00:32 <PovAddict> 30 days after you charge it, whatever you didn't use disappears

00:32 <PovAddict> so essentially, there is a "minimum" of how much you can use

00:33 <zombie67> MT:  yeah, that is what I meant too

00:34 <PovAddict> however, at least with my carrier, if you have no money charged, you can still receive calls for like 6 months

00:34 <PovAddict> and even then I'm not sure if you ever lose the number

00:34 <PovAddict> anyway, recently they called me to offer a fixed plan

00:35 <PovAddict> telemarketer telling me how very much cheaper the minutes and the SMSs would cost with that plan

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00:35 <PovAddict> and that I got like 200 SMS free or something like that

00:35 <zombie67> pov, telco contracts are much better every else in the world.  the US the the worst laws around

00:35 <zombie67> for the consumer that is

00:35 <PovAddict> AR$40/month

00:36 <PovAddict> I told her that I charge prepaid cards of $30 and I *always* have money left by the time it expires

00:36 <PovAddict> I wonder if they take any effort to actually *check how much you use* before claiming it would be cheaper to change plans

00:38 <PovAddict> back on-topic (for a moment?)

00:38 <PovAddict> Matt says: i hope people do understand the notion that PTP is "boinc for newbies". today, for what it's worth, 92% of registrations were new to boinc

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00:40 <zombie67> And newbies are the most fickle

00:41 <zombie67> let's be sure to give them a bad experience

00:41 <zombie67> that will do wonders

00:41 <zombie67> <sarcasm>

00:43 <Tank_Master> would be nice if there was an app to jist dimsplay my stats

00:43 <PovAddict> how much are you offering?

00:43 <PovAddict> $

00:44 <MTughan> Heh.

00:44 <Tank_Master> offering?

00:44 <Tank_Master> this is open source

00:44 <Tank_Master> so nothing

00:44 <MTughan> Make a donation then.

00:45 <MTughan> Also, nothing in open source means you can't charge for it.

00:45 <PovAddict> it *would be* open source

00:45 <PovAddict> but no $ offer means the app won't exist at all, so...

00:46 <PovAddict> ok more reporting

00:46 <PovAddict> matt says: having no links (eg. to help.php) from the registration page is by design

00:47 <PovAddict> he's right actually... because that help page doesn't give any help for people with trouble registering

00:47 <PovAddict> me: "Well, having no link is currently a good idea, because help.php doesn't really have any useful information for users who didn't/can't register. But the solution isn't hiding the link; you need useful help to show. Maybe on a separate page."

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00:48 <wolf_pup> moo

00:48 <Tank_Master> efc?

00:48 <Romulus> It has been said that efc is now known as efc_afk.. all funking knowing, Tank_Master

00:48 * Tank_Master follows Romulus into a dark avenue. Hey test my crowbar!

00:53 * PovAddict pushes Tank_Master into a volcano

00:53 * Tank_Master pushes PovAddict into a crevasse

01:02 <Nickuwo> don't make me stop this car you two...

01:02 * PovAddict crashes into Nickuwo with a car

01:02 <Nickuwo> ouch

01:02 <Nickuwo> XP

01:03 <Nickuwo> that's me dying ^

01:03 <PovAddict> x_x

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01:09 <zombie67> ut!  London calling

01:13 <Tank_Master> phun times

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03:00 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 64.9°F / 18.3°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms late this evening...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Near steady temperatures in the mid 60s. West winds around 5 mph...becoming light north winds. (2 more messages)

03:01 <CoderForLife> &more

03:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Chance of rain 40 percent.; Wednesday - Cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms...mainly in the evening. Lows in the mid 60s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Flood (1 more message)

03:01 <CoderForLife> &more

03:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 5:21 AM EDT on August 06, 2009;

03:01 <efc> moo

03:01 <CoderForLife> moo

03:01 <efc> &wx 31088

03:01 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 74°F / 24°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Lows in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the (2 more messages)

03:01 <efc> &more

03:01 <Romulus> efc: morning...then partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall and frequent lightning in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Wednesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. (1 more message)

03:02 <efc> &more

03:02 <Romulus> efc: Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall and frequent lightning in the evening. Lows in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 50 percent.;

03:02 <wolf_pup> moo

03:02 <CoderForLife> life is too short to be left to all this chance

03:03 * CoderForLife munches on some popcorn chicken

03:04 <efc> Yummy

03:04 <wolf_pup> yumm

03:05 <CoderForLife> um-hmm

03:06 <efc> been meaning to fry some artichokes and mushrooms

03:07 <CoderForLife> they are notoriously hard to catch

03:09 <CoderForLife> slippery devils

03:09 <efc> I got the 'chokes in a jar

03:10 <CoderForLife> you're ahead of the game - got them corralled

03:14 <efc> Got some poison ivy on my arm

03:14 <efc> I was out Sunday chopping the huge vines that grow on trees

03:14 <efc> they (the vine) can get 3 or 4 inches across

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03:33 <efc> Need to get a USB modem for dad

03:33 <efc> wonder if its worth paying the USR tax

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04:12 <CoderForLife> definitely a set of problems to solve efc

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04:27 <efc> then I started looking at low power motherboards a la Atom and got depressed

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06:25 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 57.3°F / 14.1°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 80s. East wind near 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. (1 more message)

06:25 <wdsmia> &more

06:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: High in the lower 80s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

06:27 <hawmps> &wx12020

06:27 <Romulus> hawmps: Are you daft?

06:27 <hawmps> &wx 12020

06:27 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 70.1°F / 21.2°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Isolated thunderstorms this morning. Partly sunny with isolated showers. Highs in the lower 80s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 (1 more message)

06:29 <hawmps> &more

06:29 <Romulus> hawmps: mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. West winds around 5 mph...increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.;

06:30 <hawmps> spork >> 119.1.193.205

06:47 <hawmps> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/04/science/space/04collide.html?_r=1&em=&pagewanted=print

06:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/mkznce> (at www.nytimes.com)

06:47 <hawmps> [LHC] Giant Particle Collider Struggles

06:52 <hawmps> hmm.. isn't AQUA cuda only?

06:53 <MTughan> No, they have CPU apps.

06:53 <MTughan> Including an MT app.

07:03 <hawmps> ok.

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07:35 <hawmps> seems the NY Slimes article is very negative on LHC

07:41 <KathrynM> yippy... new kernel

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08:17 <hawmps> Kernel Korn, Major Disaster, General Failure

08:19 <MTughan> Wouldn't the first be Colonel?

08:20 <hawmps> technically, yes, but less interesting.

08:20 <hawmps> <KathrynM> yippy... new kernel

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08:43 <hawmps> I wonder if there is any plan to add "Use at most xx% of gpu time" to the advanced prefs.

09:00 <MTughan> PovAddict: Good coverage of PTP and many blemishes on boinc_dev from Maureen Vilar.

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11:29 <quail> hiya ladies

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11:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: IPv6 troubles?

11:29 <quail> PovAddict: big man :-)

11:29 <quail> how are we all?

11:32 <quail> can anyone please remind me how to change the text colour to gnome panels?

11:35 <Tank_Master> no clue

11:35 <MTughan> You don't use Linux.

11:35 <Tank_Master> and your point?

11:36 <MTughan> How would you know?

11:36 <Tank_Master> internet

11:36 <quail> I am brain dead and having a blond moment atm

11:37 <quail> after 2 years I have had to redo my laptop and have a reinstall

11:38 <quail> reinstall and down grade, to keep some sanity, as there some stupid stuff happening in debian testing atm

11:38 <desti> i don't think you can change the text color in the panel only

11:39 <quail> and my 3 year old laptop was not happy with having no proper power management

11:39 <quail> desti: you can

11:39 <zombie67> http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1745419

11:39 <Romulus> Title: I got it! I got it! I g- - CollegeHumor picture (at www.collegehumor.com)

11:45 <quail> people here not very chirpy

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12:13 <wolf_pup> moo

12:15 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

12:15 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM CEST; Clear. High:78 ° F.; Clear. Low:55 ° F.; Clear. High:82 ° F.; Clear. Low:59 ° F.; Clear. High:82 ° F.; Clear. Low:62 ° F.;

12:26 <quail> &wx ypad

12:26 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 48°F / 9°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 1:30 AM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:60 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. High:64 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:68 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:50 ° F.;

12:43 <quail> clean laptop screen rocks

13:03 <Tank_Master> :P

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13:11 <clusty> hoy

13:13 <Tank_Master> hi

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13:51 <quail> 2hii!

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14:06 <Piratero> hello everyone

14:06 <Tank_Master> hi

14:09 <quail> hii!

14:09 <Tank_Master> howdy qual

14:09 <Tank_Master> aqua sure has been nice to me

14:09 <Tank_Master> I hit 10m in april

14:09 <Tank_Master> im about to pass 13m now

14:10 <PovAddict> so you admit it's overpaying

14:10 <quail> Tank_Master: mate!, how things?

14:10 <Tank_Master> and should hit 15m around sep 11th

14:10 <Tank_Master> admit?

14:10 <Tank_Master> I never sid it wasnt

14:10 <Tank_Master> things are good, quail, how about u?

14:11 <Tank_Master> pov - I was getting 160k a day off a i7, qx9750, and a e6700

14:11 <quail> Tank_Master: good mate, I near got my laptop back

14:11 <quail> :-)

14:11 <Tank_Master> congratz :)

14:11 <PovAddict> I took months to reach 100k

14:12 <Tank_Master> only thing I did was o/c the qx and the i7

14:12 <Tank_Master> (CPU 1) Intel® Core™2 Extreme CPU X9750 @ 3.16GHz (12288KB L2 Cache, LGA 775) @ 4050MHz (407MHz FSB), 93% load

14:13 <hawmps> 'lo TM

14:14 <hawmps> and Q

14:15 <Tank_Master> howdy hawmps

14:16 <quail> hawmps: hi no need for the ops :-(

14:19 <hawmps> sez you...

14:19 <Tank_Master> :)

14:19 <Tank_Master> I dont think it matters one way or the other

14:22 <hawmps> 'zactly

14:23 <hawmps> dried up and cooled off a bit

14:25 <Piratero> hm...

14:25 <Piratero> i'm having some trouble understanding the concept of boinc

14:25 <Piratero> i just set up a server

14:26 <PovAddict> do you already have experience using the client on existing public projects?

14:26 <Piratero> i don't -- that's the problem

14:26 <Tank_Master> and what are you trying to do with the server?

14:27 <PovAddict> that's like trying to make a web application without ever having used a browser

14:27 <Piratero> i'm just trying to run the test app, upper_case

14:27 <hawmps> without a plan for a project, the server is basically useless.

14:28 <Piratero> this is just a test

14:28 <Piratero> that is all

14:28 <PovAddict> or setting up an IRC server without understanding the concept of "chat"

14:28 <PovAddict> download the client like any user would do, attach to a public project, watch it work, call back tomorrow

14:29 <Piratero> heh

14:31 <wolf_pup> moo

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

14:38 <Tank_Master> yo yoyo!

14:47 <quail> yummy

14:48 * quail burps

14:49 <Tank_Master> heh

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14:49 <quail> I just had a yummy 4am sanbo

14:50 <Tank_Master> its almost noon here

14:50 <quail> I up till I et my laptop almost back to going, then to work

14:52 <Tank_Master> fun times

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15:19 <hawmps> boof..

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15:25 <Piratero> okay

15:25 <Piratero> the server is on centos, uppercase is compiled on linux

15:25 <Piratero> windows client now gets: "message from server: uppercase is not available for your type of computer"

15:26 <Piratero> so would this mean i have to edit config.xml and add <app></app> tags for the windows <platform>?

15:26 <Piratero> and compile a windows binary for uppercase?

15:27 <PovAddict> apps don't go in config.xml

15:27 <PovAddict> &bw UpdateVersions

15:27 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/UpdateVersions

15:27 <Piratero> oh, sorry, project.xml

15:27 <PovAddict> you only need one <app> for "uppercase"

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15:27 <Piratero> ok

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> (s)he has one for linux ;)

15:28 <Piratero> ?

15:29 <Piratero> PovAddict: is that url for me?

15:29 <PovAddict> yes

15:29 <Piratero> ok

15:30 <Piratero> i don't really know what to look for there

15:30 <PovAddict> that's all the instructions on how to add a new version of the app

15:31 <PovAddict> in this case, a version of the 'uppercase' app for the 'windows_intelx86' platform

15:32 <Piratero> oh

15:32 <Piratero> ah, i see!

15:33 <Piratero> so i guess i have to compile a windows binary

15:33 <Piratero> add it in apps/

15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

15:33 <Piratero> okay: upper_case.exe

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15:34 <Piratero> thanks guys

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16:51 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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16:55 * jasongopher is also jasong, different computer

17:02 <quail> woot my laptop ack to working at a sale point

17:03 <Tank-Master> nice?

17:03 <quail> Tank-Master: sort of, but I lacking in latest gui

17:04 <Tank-Master> ehh

17:04 <Tank-Master> gui is overrated

17:05 <quail> yeah, if you OSS based

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17:21 <PovAddict> I just searched for Windows 7 prices

17:21 <PovAddict> costs an arm, a leg, and your freedom

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17:22 <Tank-Master> you must not put much cost on those

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17:54 <CoderForLife> a bit of wisdom - don't be trying to take your blood pressure reading when a Windows app blows up - it tends to skew the numbers

17:57 <Tank-Master> dont be coding while takeing blood pressure readings

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18:02 <CoderForLife> it was Quicken that disappeared in a puff of greasy black smoke

18:04 <jasongopher> Windows should not be used for important stuff, even if you're addicted to Windows, you should try to own a cheap computer for the truly important data

18:04 <jasongopher> then put Linux on it

18:05 <CoderForLife> I have about 20 computers

18:05 <jasongopher> lol, how many are used for non-DCing purposes?

18:06 <Tank_Master> ...

18:06 <Tank_Master> whats that?

18:06 <CoderForLife> I'm mystified as well

18:06 <jasongopher> Funny

18:06 <jasongopher> ;)

18:06 <CoderForLife> um, whatever

18:07 <jasongopher> distributed computing, you really didn't know?  Or are you stretching the joke?

18:07 <Tank_Master> whats non-DCing?

18:07 <CoderForLife> never saw that abbreviation before, iirc

18:08 <jasongopher> A computer that's not JUST used for Distributed Computing, posibly one that isn't being used for DCing at all

18:08 <Tank_Master> why whould one own a comp and not DC?

18:08 <jasongopher> Oh, well, since the casual tone of the conversation has died, nm

18:09 <CoderForLife> let's see - the Mac mini is used for development only, the domain controller won't let BOINC install, ...

18:09 <CoderForLife> the dual core Atom doesn't do boinc very well

18:10 <jasongopher> You need a whole lot of dual-core atoms and a homemade case

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18:10 <jasongopher> Also, in terms of power, Atom can do a lot of crunching for a tiny amount of electriciity

18:11 <CoderForLife> they groan under my boinc science app

18:11 <jasongopher> lol, then run something else

18:11 <CoderForLife> but it's *all* *about* my science app  =)

18:12 <jasongopher> They're like Semprons from years ago, normally couldn't do much, but they hauled for little cash on Find-a-Drug

18:12 <CoderForLife> bbiab

18:12 <Tank_Master> great for depspid or freehall to

18:13 <jasongopher> Well, Semprons never hauled at anything, but they were awesome for a few projects if you spend money specifically for DCing

18:13 <jasongopher> I forget, what's FreeHAL?

18:14 <PovAddict> a badly-managed boinc project

18:15 <jasongopher> A small change of subject, but has yoyo considered non-math related projects to BOINCify?  I'm sure there are plenty to choose from

18:15 <PovAddict> I recall one

18:16 <PovAddict> but it was a giant mess

18:16 <PovAddict> they currently have people run it manually

18:16 <PovAddict> you need to install ten different standalone tools and make sure they play together, then run a perl script that runs that mess with tasks downloaded from the server

18:16 <jasongopher> The study of molecular phenomenon seems like something that could be BOINCified in a million different ways, I've seen plenty of adverts for weird science apps that study stuff I've never heard of

18:16 <PovAddict> it would need major changes to bring it remotely close to the sanity needed for boinc

18:18 <jasongopher> Could there be Linux-based stuff that could be adapted?  Or maybe commercial stuff with an NDA attached to the source code?

18:18 <jasongopher> I'm just thinking out loud

18:18 <PovAddict> what kind of "linux-based stuff"?

18:19 <jasongopher> I've never looked into that particular aspect of Linux, but I'm sure there's plenty of science apps that could be adapted to BOINC

18:19 <jasongopher> I could ask around.

18:19 <jasongopher> Yeah, I'll do that now

18:19 <jasongopher> I'll tell you what I find out in a few days

18:20 <jasongopher> I'm going to ask in Ubuntu forums btw

18:20 <PovAddict> btw, in general I don't like the approach yoyo takes to boincifying apps

18:20 <PovAddict> the separate-process wrapper brings nothing but trouble

18:21 <jasongopher> Why not?  I've never had any problems as a user, what does he do that you disapprove of?

18:43 <jasongopher> My brain is starting it's nightly shut-down routine(not to be confused with the preparation for sleep routine, which comes about 5-9 hours later) so I'm going to put off the posting for a few hours

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19:41 <Piratero> hm...

19:42 <Piratero> i'm having some trouble using the client...

19:42 <Piratero> if i run boincmgr (or boinc_gui), under $HOME dir,

19:42 <Piratero> i get:

19:42 <Piratero> execvp(/home/boincadm/boinc, --redirectio, --launched_by_manager) failed with error 2!

19:42 <Piratero> is it looking for a binary called boinc?

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19:47 <MTughan> Piratero: That's why PovAddict would've preferred you to work with the client first...

19:47 <MTughan> BOINC as a client has two components: a backend daemon, called the core client, or CC, and a graphical manager that uses network sockets to control it.

19:47 <MTughan> The boinc executable there is the CC.

19:48 <Piratero> ah

19:50 <Piratero> oh, i guess i didn't fully build the client

19:50 <Piratero> i have friends who have confirmed that it works for them on windows/mac

19:51 <Piratero> i'm just having a little trouble on linux

19:51 <Piratero> it's most likely because i called --disable-client

19:51 <MTughan> That would probably be it. :|

19:53 <Piratero> yeah, heh

19:53 <Piratero> thanks for the help

19:53 <MTughan> np

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21:20 <CoderForLife> gn

21:28 <Piratero> hm...

21:29 <Piratero> this is rather confusing setting blast up

21:37 <Tank_Master> :)

21:37 <wolf_pup> moo

21:38 <Piratero> ugh

22:04 <Piratero> $PROJECTROOT/apps/blast-2.2.21-ia32-win32.exe

22:04 <Piratero> <app><name>blast-2.2.21-ia32-win32</name><user_friendly_name>foobar</user_friendly_name></app>

22:04 <Piratero> bin/xadd

22:05 <Piratero> not too bad

22:09 <PovAddict_> the <name> should be 'blast', the version number should be two numbers (x.yy), and you don't get to choose the platform name, it has to be exactly one of these

22:09 <PovAddict_> &bw BoincPlatforms

22:09 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/BoincPlatforms

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22:12 <Piratero> ah

22:12 <Piratero> ok

22:12 <Piratero> i misunderstood what is written in the wiki then

22:12 <PovAddict> NAME_VERSION_PLATFORM

22:12 <Piratero> thanks again

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22:13 <Piratero> so it should be: blast_2.02_windows_intelx86

22:14 <PovAddict> correct, but you can have a file extension too

22:14 <PovAddict> Windows BOINC apps still work if the file doesn't have .exe (there are production projects that don't have it), but it's probably a good idea to have it anyway

22:15 <Piratero> okay

22:15 <Piratero> i'll rename the file to just that

22:15 <PovAddict> did you already run xadd with project.xml having <name>blast-2.2.21-ia32-win32</name> ?

22:15 <Piratero> yes, unfortunately

22:16 <Piratero> according to the wiki, i have to manually delete whatever xadd added

22:16 <PovAddict> can you get a mysql console?

22:16 <Piratero> yes

22:16 <PovAddict> select id, name, user_friendly_name from app;

22:17 <Piratero> ok

22:18 <Piratero> |  1 | uppercase               | upperCASE                 |

22:18 <Piratero> |  2 | upper_case              | upperCASE                 |

22:18 <Piratero> oh, shit

22:18 <wdsmia> asks Piratero to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:18 <Piratero> again, sorry

22:18 <Piratero> i will watch my language

22:18 <PovAddict> huh... how many apps are there?

22:18 <Piratero> 3

22:18 <Piratero> http://codepad.org/KM4OiXLD

22:18 <Romulus> Title: C code - 7 lines - codepad (at codepad.org)

22:18 <PovAddict> UPDATE app SET name='blast' WHERE id=3;

22:19 <Piratero> ok

22:19 <PovAddict> then create a file called reread_db in your project root, so that the feeder daemon reads the app table again

22:19 <PovAddict> ($ touch reread_db)

22:19 <Piratero> ok

22:20 <Piratero> do i need to wait until the daemon starts up again?

22:20 <PovAddict> it's not restarted, it just forgets everything it knows and reads the DB again

22:20 <Piratero> ok

22:20 <PovAddict> should take like... five seconds since creating the file

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22:20 <jackygrahamez_> hi

22:20 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez_!

22:20 <Tank_Master> wazz up?

22:21 <jackygrahamez_> hi Tank_Master

22:21 <jackygrahamez_> got to restore some data

22:21 <Piratero> okay, i'll check the db again

22:21 <Tank_Master> fun stuff

22:48 <wolf_pup> moo

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23:09 <kmccoy> Hey guys, I'm trying to download the boinc client but I have a crappy internet connection and it keeps timing out, and the download server I'm using (http://boincdl3.ssl.berkeley.edu/mirror/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe) doesn't support resume.

23:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/n6nhog> (at boincdl3.ssl.berkeley.edu)

23:09 <kmccoy> Does anyone know of a place I can download this which does support resume?

23:11 <PovAddict> the normal server instead of a mirror

23:11 <PovAddict> &whatis dl

23:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.

23:11 <PovAddict> &dl

23:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: I dunno.

23:11 <Tank_Master> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D

23:11 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:11 <kmccoy> Oh, I thought this was a normal server, it was what was linked from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

23:11 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:12 <PovAddict> well no, they obviously want to save bandwidth :)

23:12 <PovAddict> download_all.php links to a random mirror

23:12 <Tank_Master> you want the 32bit or 64bit?

23:12 <kmccoy> hah, yes, fair enough. :)

23:12 <PovAddict> I just refreshed and it links to http://einstein.aei.mpg.de/download/boinc/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe

23:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ld6ftp> (at einstein.aei.mpg.de)

23:12 <PovAddict> (stored on Einstein@Home servers)

23:13 <kmccoy> Gotcha, thank you.

23:13 <Tank_Master> you want the 32bit or 64bit?

23:13 <kmccoy> 32bit

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23:13 <Tank_Master> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.38_windows_intelx86.exe

23:13 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/kjospp> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:14 <kmccoy> Awesome.  Thanks. :)

23:14 <MTughan> Why are we recommending 6.6.x?

23:14 <Tank_Master> thats from berk's site afaik

23:14 <Tank_Master> some project requiere it now

23:14 <MTughan> If you don't need CUDA, 6.2.x or 5.10.x are probably better.

23:15 <PovAddict> better is subjective

23:15 <Tank_Master> agreed

23:15 <MTughan> More logical then?

23:15 <MTughan> It actually makes sense what they're doing.

23:15 <kmccoy> MTughan, 6.6.36 is the version listed on Berkeley's site as recommended.  I'm not sure if my card supports cuda, I'm trying to load nvidia's site about it.

23:15 <Tank_Master> what card do you have?

23:16 <Tank_Master> 7xxx and lower do not

23:16 <kmccoy> I'm hoping that the client itself is able to deal with crappy internet connections. :)

23:16 <Tank_Master> boinc supports resuming

23:16 <kmccoy> Tank_Master, I can't remember the number, let me look.

23:17 <Tank_Master> just make sure in your preferences to set BOINC to use all of the ram

23:17 <kmccoy> Nvidia GeForce Go 7900 GTX.

23:17 <MTughan> Too old then.

23:17 <Tank_Master> that does not support cuda

23:17 <kmccoy> Ah, okay.

23:18 <kmccoy> Too bad.

23:18 <Tank_Master> I have a 7900 gs on this comp here

23:19 <kmccoy> Thanks for the link, this is a better server.

23:19 <kmccoy> Maybe by the time I can get broadband access out here I'll have a newer computer with a more up-to-date video card.

23:19 <Tank_Master> I can typically get 2MB/s+ off there

23:20 <Tank_Master> most of the 8xxx cards support cuda

23:20 <kmccoy> Cool.

23:20 <Tank_Master> and all cards 9xxx and higher do

23:20 <Tank_Master> I got my geforce 250 for ~$150 several months ago

23:20 <kmccoy> I usually buy the best computer I can find, so when I buy my next one, it should have whatever is the most modern graphics processor for notebooks.

23:22 <Tank_Master> win 7 will be avalibl oct 22

23:22 <MTughan> Upgrades are available now, so you can get Win7 for free with a Vista machine.

23:24 <Tank_Master> true

23:24 <Tank_Master> new intel CPUs should be out around then to

23:24 <MTughan> Doesn't happen with custom-built though.

23:24 <MTughan> Which processors? Core i9, right?

23:25 <Tank_Master> I think they are keeping ht ei7 name

23:25 <Tank_Master> the i7*

23:25 <Tank_Master> but the number will be different

23:25 <Tank_Master> its mostly a die shrink anyway

23:25 <Tank_Master> power consumtion should go down to 75w for the CPU

23:26 <Tank_Master> for the quad core version

23:26 * kmccoy will probably buy a new computer around the end of the year.

23:26 <Tank_Master> the hex core do out in q2 will have the same power consumption as todays's i7

23:26 <MTughan> Q2 2010?

23:27 <Tank_Master> but be clocked at 3.46GHz (as well as having the 6 cores)

23:27 <Tank_Master> yes

23:27 <MTughan> Yeah, 32nm should help.

23:28 <Tank_Master> anywho, ill bbl

23:28 <kmccoy> Thanks for the help!

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