00:02 <efc> Whats close to knapsack?
00:04 <PovAddict> efc: lots of WUs, with different RAM usage, and a limit of how much RAM you can use
00:05 <PovAddict> start as many WUs as possible, but don't fill RAM, and don't leave tasks forever "waiting for memory"
00:05 <efc> Wonder why people like throwing NP complete problems at BOINC
00:05 <PovAddict> maybe it's even a good idea to keep an interesting mix of high-RAM and low-RAM tasks, for performance (high RAM tasks are likely to also have high CPU cache misses, and two programs constantly filling the cache throw performance down)
00:22 <zombie_67> what is the server version of i7?
00:23 <MTughan> Xeon.
00:23 <zombie_67> xeon means many codenames
00:23 <MTughan> All Intel's server CPUs go under the name Xeon.
00:23 <MTughan> Look for Nehalem based Xeons then.
00:24 <zombie_67> ah, nehalem
00:24 <MTughan> i7 is Nehalem too.
00:25 <zombie_67> gainstown
00:25 <MTughan> Intel will be releasing new versions of the CPUs at 32nm soon though. Apparently, 6-core and higher clocked for the same power envelope as the current i7s.
00:26 <zombie_67> e/x 55xx
00:26 <MTughan> Hmm... I don't see hex-core procs on Wikipedia, but I though I remembered reading about them.
00:27 <zombie_67> they exist
00:27 <MTughan> And yes, you'll be looking at Bloomfield or Gainestown.
00:27 <zombie_67> I know this for sure....
00:27 <MTughan> Yeah, they exist, but as Dunnington, which is Core 2 based.
00:27 <zombie_67> Gulftown
00:27 <zombie_67> ?
00:27 <MTughan> Oh, I'm looking at the wrong table...
00:28 <zombie_67> Westmere
00:28 <MTughan> Yes, Gulftown is it. Hex-core, Core i9.
00:28 <zombie_67> 6 seems an odd number
00:29 <MTughan> It is... Maybe 8-core with two disabled for better yields?
00:31 <zombie_67> if so, then where are the 8-core processsors?
00:31 <MTughan> Hmm, good point.
00:32 <zombie_67> I am thinking it has to do with fitting cores in a fixed space
00:32 <BSDeepa> There's octocore?
00:32 <zombie_67> there is not
00:33 <BSDeepa> bah
00:33 <MTughan> I think Nehalem was designed to be more modular, so perhaps Intel is capitalizing on that.
00:34 <MTughan> Adding more cores to the same die space with the die shrink.
00:35 <zombie_67> exactly
00:37 <MTughan> Yep. Part of the Technogy section on Wikipedia: "Modular blocks of components such as cores that can be added and subtracted for varying market segments"
00:44 <zombie_67> s-core servers
00:44 <zombie_67> 6 core
00:46 <MTughan> Yeah, that's Dunnington.
00:46 <MTughan> Same processor as the Core 2 series.
00:47 <zombie_67> oh
00:49 <MTughan> BTW, these are the Nehalem based Xeons you're probably looking for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#Nehalem_based_Xeons
00:50 <zombie_67> yeah
00:51 <zombie_67> [21:26] <zombie_67> e/x 55xx
00:51 <MTughan> And looks like W too.
00:52 <zombie_67> what does W mean?
00:52 <MTughan> Workstation maybe? Looks like the high-end.
00:53 <zombie_67> more expensive than X
00:53 <zombie_67> more power too
00:54 <zombie_67> brb
00:57 <zombie_67> back
00:57 <zombie_67> as cool as nehalem is
00:58 <zombie_67> max cores/threads is not the way to go for max credits
00:58 <MTughan> What is?
00:58 <zombie_67> a super cheap CPU, and lots of CPUs is
00:58 <MTughan> Which is max cores, just not on one die.
00:59 <zombie_67> but not max CPU cores
00:59 <BSDeepa> You could just go out and ask companies if they got any computers they're gonna throw away
00:59 <zombie_67> the cost of the HW is not the (real) problem
00:59 <MTughan> Also, having more CPUs requires more supporting parts as well, and that can possible throw off costs.
01:00 <efc> The Netbook was getting pretty good WU/watt, while I was running it
01:02 <zombie_67> the dual core w/ HT ATOM will make some massive credits/watt with AWUA
01:02 <efc> 18 watts
01:02 <zombie_67> AQUA
01:02 <efc> the desktop atoms use more power though due to the crippled chipsets
01:03 <zombie_67> never heard of a crippled chipset
01:03 <efc> power wise
01:03 <MTughan> I thought all Atoms used the same chipset?
01:03 <efc> 945G and 945GC
01:03 <efc> the netbooks use lower power ones
01:03 <efc> 945GSE
01:03 <zombie_67> how does one cripple a chip-set powerwise?
01:04 <efc> the 945G uses 22 watts or something like that
01:04 <efc> for a 4 watt CPU
01:04 <zombie_67> okay, so the gse is BETTER, not that the others are crippled
01:04 <efc> GSE is something like 10 or 12
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01:05 <efc> I call it crippling when the marketing department decides to withhold a better product thats already available
01:05 <zombie_67> still, the best credits = ATOM with 4x GPUs
01:06 <zombie_67> no, crippling = allowing you to use only (say) 10 of 8 cores in a CPU.
01:06 <zombie_67> reverse that
01:13 <PovAddict> it's crippling if those other two cores actually work
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02:12 <Tank_Master> hiya Nickuwo
02:13 <Nickuwo> hey Tank
02:13 <Tank_Master> sup?
02:13 <Nickuwo> not much... watching a math lecture... I don't understand it :(
02:13 <Tank_Master> lol
02:13 <Nickuwo> u?
02:14 <Tank_Master> rather be working on your project?
02:14 <Tank_Master> just got back from doing the sound for a gig at church
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02:15 <Nickuwo> hehe, I'm not sure. the papers I'm looking at are just about as math intensive. Doing sound?! thats awesome!
02:15 <Nickuwo> do you play an instruments?
02:15 <Tank_Master> used to
02:16 <Tank_Master> but I cant read sheet anymore
02:16 <Nickuwo> bah, you dont need to read to play
02:16 <Tank_Master> I just manage the mics and sound board
02:16 <Tank_Master> the support stuff for the stage, while I lerk in the background :D
02:17 <Tank_Master> plus sides are I get in free and I get to make th sound the way *I* want it to :P
02:17 <Nickuwo> thats pretty cool. I love that stuff... I just jammed with a few ppl today and recorded it. I should probably be mixing it along with a few other things...
02:18 <Tank_Master> I recorded onto casset tape :P
02:18 <Tank_Master> we so need to get a cd recorder at church
02:19 <Nickuwo> heh. cassett works :). what did you play?
02:20 <Tank_Master> back in elem school I played the violin
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02:20 <Nickuwo> nice
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02:20 <Tank_Master> was third for my grade one of the years
02:20 <Nickuwo> thats an interesting instrument... difficult I hear
02:21 <Tank_Master> wasnt for me
02:21 <Tank_Master> but I got a good ear
02:21 <Nickuwo> why didnt you stick with it?
02:21 <Tank_Master> I could play songs that someone else played with a differnt insterment
02:21 <Tank_Master> lost interest
02:21 <Tank_Master> took up to much time
02:21 <Nickuwo> bummer
02:22 <Tank_Master> didnt help they moved the practus time to the time that resess was at
02:22 <Nickuwo> eh, recess is a priority
02:23 <Tank_Master> at that age? heck yeah :P
02:25 <Tank_Master> though I have been helping with the sound system at church since I was in the 6th grade
02:25 <Tank_Master> so I know my way around the board quite well
02:26 <Nickuwo> thats cool. you should go into sound engineering. and mix some shit for me :)O
02:26 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
02:26 <Tank_Master> lol
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02:52 <zombie67> tank!
02:52 <Tank_Master> what?
02:53 <zombie67> bout time
02:53 <Tank_Master> ?
02:53 <zombie67> heh
02:54 <zombie67> rsef was sweating all the work you had him manage
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02:54 <Tank_Master> wasnt much
02:54 <zombie67> hah
02:54 <Tank_Master> build up hideouts mostly
02:54 <zombie67> hideouts?
02:55 <Tank_Master> on test
02:55 <zombie67> oh
02:55 <zombie67> he said he had to manage several worlds at once
02:55 <Tank_Master> ill be gone again this weekend for about 2 weeks
02:55 <zombie67> what?!
02:55 <zombie67> wow!
02:56 <zombie67> where are you going?
02:56 <zombie67> nice life
02:56 <Tank_Master> going to glasher NP
02:56 <zombie67> NP?
02:56 <Tank_Master> national park
02:56 <zombie67> ah
02:56 <zombie67> THIS TIME transfer gerneral and diplo
02:56 <Tank_Master> on theta?
02:57 <Tank_Master> only b2 can do that
02:57 <zombie67> yeah
02:57 <zombie67> so tell him
02:57 <Tank_Master> he's the leader
02:57 <zombie67> now
02:57 <Tank_Master> he is in vacation mode
02:57 <zombie67> WTF???
02:57 <Tank_Master> has been for a while
02:57 <zombie67> how do they allow a leader to do that??
02:57 <Tank_Master> same why u or i go into vacation mode
02:58 <zombie67> no
02:58 <Tank_Master> oh, assign roles?
02:58 <Tank_Master> its an option in the embassy
02:58 <zombie67> if you own a reposibility role, that should not be possible
02:58 <Tank_Master> ahh, ic, yeah
02:58 <Tank_Master> but allas, they do
02:58 <zombie67> k
02:59 <zombie67> last resort, let's do the same as last time
02:59 <Tank_Master> I may be able to get a go to transfer it, but im not sure
03:13 <Tank_Master> im off to bed
03:16 <zombie67> gn
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08:37 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
08:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 77.6°F / 25.3°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny with scattered thunderstorms. High in the upper 80s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southeast in the afternoon. Chance of thunderstorms 50 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy until (2 more messages)
08:37 <wdsmia> &more
08:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Thunderstorms likely through midnight...then scattered thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the upper 60s. South wind around 5 mph shifting to the west after midnight. Chance of thunderstorms 70 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 80s. Northwest wind around 5 mph.; Severe Thunderstorm Watch for Polk County in effect until 2:00 PM CDT on (1 more message)
08:37 <wdsmia> &more
08:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: August 09, 2009;
08:54 <xcamel> 'lo
08:54 <xcamel> &wx 12074
08:55 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 63.4°F / 17.4°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms. Showers likely...mainly this afternoon. Highs in the mid 70s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming (1 more message)
08:55 <xcamel> &more
08:55 <Romulus> xcamel: partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Humid with lows in the upper 60s. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Warmer. Humid with highs in the mid 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.;
08:55 <xcamel> &more
08:55 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: That's all, there is no more.
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10:34 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
10:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 77.1°F / 25.1°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the (1 more message)
10:34 <CoderForLife> &more
10:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: morning...then mostly cloudy with showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. Humid with highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;
10:34 <CoderForLife> summer decided to show up
10:35 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx txl
10:35 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 81Â°F / 27Â°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 4:20 PM CEST; Partly Cloudy. High:84 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:82 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:59 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:78 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:60 ° F.;
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18:00 <efc> &wx 30625
18:00 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 91°F / 33°C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 70. Southwest winds up to 10 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 90s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. (1 more message)
18:00 <efc> &more
18:00 <Romulus> efc: Lows in the lower 70s. Southwest winds up to 10 mph.;
18:01 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
18:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 82.5°F / 28.1°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Numerous thunderstorms through midnight... then scattered thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall. Low in the upper 60s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance (1 more message)
18:01 <wdsmia> &more
18:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: of thunderstorms 70 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny. High in the mid 80s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 60s. Northwest wind near 5 mph.; Severe Thunderstorm Watch for Polk County in effect until 11:00 PM CDT on August 09, 2009;
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18:15 <wdsmia> Big boomer headed this way... dopler says gust front over 75mph :(
18:15 <efc> Raise Shields
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19:12 <CoderForLife> red alert, battle stations
19:12 <Tank_Master> ?
19:13 <CoderForLife> ^^ wdsmia ^^
19:13 <MTughan> The weather thing, I think.
19:13 <MTughan> Yep.
19:14 <CoderForLife> well - I've reached my medical deductible limit now
19:15 <Tank_Master> ouch
19:15 <CoderForLife> everything the rest of the year is paid for by the insurance company
19:15 <CoderForLife> I did my $3500
19:15 <Tank_Master> ahh, shweet
19:17 <CoderForLife> looks like I'll be getting back some money I've already paid
19:17 <Tank_Master> even better
19:17 <CoderForLife> indeed
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19:24 <Tank_Master> having issues wdsmia?
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20:20 <CoderForLife> He's not in Kansas^H^H^H^H^H^HIowa anymore
20:21 <CoderForLife> This is going to cut into his RAC
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21:03 <CoderForLife> gn
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21:33 <efc> Night CFL
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22:06 <jasongopher> OH MY GOD!!! I just found out about Progress Through Processors
22:06 <jasongopher> I want people to join BOINC, just not THOSE people
22:07 <Tank_Master> LOL
22:09 <jasongopher> BOINC is awesome,
22:09 <jasongopher> Facebook is the suckage
22:09 <jasongopher> but now they're combined
22:11 <Tank_Master> haha, yeah
22:15 <PovAddict> they fixed the issue with international characters, so I joined the PTP app to try it out
22:15 <PovAddict> I'm writing a message explaining how much my experience sucked
22:15 <Tank_Master> hehe
23:36 <PovAddict> stay away from PTP
23:37 <PovAddict> I added a few of my existing projects to it, and it modified my general prefs
23:37 <PovAddict> among other things, 60% CPU throttling
23:37 <PovAddict> glad I noticed soon...
23:45 <Tank_Master> esh
23:45 <Tank_Master> that sucks
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23:56 <PovAddict> so those ink-thirsty money-wasting machines called "printers" ever work right?
23:56 <PovAddict> I think manufacturers have lost their mind
23:57 <Tank_Master> all they care about is selling you crap
23:57 <PovAddict> eg. Google's income is advertising, but they constantly improve all their other services, most of which are free
23:57 <PovAddict> EPSON's income is selling ink, and it's clear the printer drivers are designed to do one thing well: let you know when you're out of ink and have a handy "buy ink" button
23:58 <efc> There are some more expensive printers with cheaper ink.. and I doubt they sell much.
23:58 <PovAddict> efc: EPSON has cheaper ink than HP
23:58 <PovAddict> HP cartridges have the whole ink-drop-firing mechanism
23:59 <efc> Can't remember who I'm thinking of.. they also had separate color tanks so you didn't have to chunk the cart for one color being out
23:59 <PovAddict> EPSON ink cartridges aren't much more than little plastic tanks, and all the mechanisms are in the printer
23:59 <PovAddict> well, almost every manufacturer has separate colors by now
23:59 <PovAddict> here's a stupidity, clearly designed to make you buy ink: