IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-08-16

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01:05 <zombie67> and yet another case where the users are having to explain how BOINC works to the admins

01:06 <zombie67>

01:06 <Romulus> <> (at

01:08 <PovAddict> the server should be closed source

01:09 <MTughan> Then we wouldn't have to see all the crud in it?

01:09 <PovAddict> and make it so you can only get it after completing training & exam :P

01:10 <zombie67> FWIW, I am not necessarily blaming the admins

01:10 <MTughan> Oh, how's this for a laptop?

01:10 <Romulus> <> (at

01:11 <zombie67> I have no idea how good/bad the documentation for BOINC server is.

01:11 <MTughan> Core i7 processors, Nvidia GTX280M, three HDs, 11.5lbs.

01:11 <PovAddict> zombie: if docs were better, you still cant ensure admins will read them...

01:12 <zombie67> TRVTH

01:12 <PovAddict> maybe setting up a server should be harder so you can't do it unless you take the time to rtfm

01:13 <zombie67> hmmm

01:13 <zombie67> or put a "mac" layer in between the code and the admin

01:13 <zombie67> wow..and einstein is still down

01:15 <PovAddict> 'mac' layer?

01:16 <PovAddict> to use iPhoto effectively, you need to understand its concept of folders, tags, and rolls

01:16 <PovAddict> eg. deleting a photo from a folder doesnt get rid of it

01:16 <PovAddict> a good UI is no substitute for learning

01:17 <zombie67> yes, but estimated run time might be something that could/should be done automatically?

01:17 <PovAddict> and a public project is not the place to experiment with the UI and learn the concepts by trial and error, as you'd do in a program like iPhoto

01:20 <PovAddict> you can make it easier for a user to create folders; but that alone wont make them realize that they'll be better organized by using them

01:21 <zombie67> yeah, I don't have answers.  I only can say that I see stuff like this over an over with new projects

01:21 <zombie67> maybe make it like driving a car

01:21 <PovAddict> you can make it easier to adjust estimated time but that alone won't make the admin know that it's not optional, and how important it is to keep it accurate

01:21 <zombie67> anyone can do it legally, but only after they earn a license.

01:21 <PovAddict> only docs can do that...

01:23 <PovAddict> maybe DA needs to increase the requirements for listing in the project list

01:23 <zombie67> but a on line test in order to be able to d/l the sw?

01:23 <PovAddict> &whatis project list

01:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: "project list" could be

01:24 <zombie67> brb

01:24 <PovAddict> I think he talks to the project admin to ensure the research is legitimate, and that they are using proper code signing practices

01:25 <PovAddict> I don't think he makes a comprehensive test on boinc admin knowledge...

01:30 <zombie67> research is does one define that?

01:30 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:31 <PovAddict> not wasting cycles for fun

01:32 <PovAddict> showing you know something about the problem domain

01:32 * yoyo[RKN] is playing with hr_class

01:33 <PovAddict> eg. once you learn some details, you'd know mweltin was unlikely to find a better TSP solution than the current state of the art, and that his app was FAR from state of the art

01:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: You saw yoyo's question in #boinc_dev earlier?

01:34 <PovAddict> and it was, essentially, wasting cycles for fun

01:35 <zombie67> so you have to have a best/better solution to any know problem to use BOINC/

01:37 <MTughan> Or just need lots of computational power to prove something. ABC@home, for example.

01:37 <zombie67> define "fun"

01:37 <zombie67> pov:  you are using nothing but subjective terms

01:37 <PovAddict> MT: I dont have much experience with HR, and I'm not able to help with lengthy technical problems right now

01:38 <yoyo[RKN]> win64 is not bit identical to win32

01:38 <yoyo[RKN]> mean the results

01:39 <yoyo[RKN]> which seams to be reasonable because 64bits are used

01:40 <yoyo[RKN]> and also win2000 doesn't generate the same results as win32

01:43 <PovAddict> zombie: what makes you think DA will be objective? :)

01:43 <efc> I tried to tell mweltin that..

01:44 <PovAddict> efc: it wasnt even an efficient implementation of the naive bruteforce algorithm

01:45 <efc> Yeah. Also, I failed to see the point of solving a single instance of the problem

01:46 <PovAddict> a user sped it up by 100x or something , making the project a good scenario of a credit-related mess

01:46 <PovAddict> I think he didnt change the algorithm

01:47 <efc> He tried -O2? hehe

01:49 <zombie67> pov:  my point is, if you cannot set objective standards, then there is no point in any standards

01:50 <zombie67> whatever standards he is using now, not so effective

01:51 <zombie67> watching Olivia d'Abo with my govenator

01:52 <zombie67> grace jones was/is a freak

01:52 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 768 + 256

01:52 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 1024

01:53 <zombie67> well duh

01:58 <zombie67> where is dcf kept?

02:00 <zombie67> crap, this sounds like a familiar question

02:04 <zombie67> found it, and familiar answer

02:46 <MTughan> Yep, client_state. :)

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06:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 70.5F / 21.4C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. A chance of (1 more message)

06:01 <CoderForLife> &more

06:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 80s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

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06:44 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx txl

06:44 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 86°F / 30°C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 12:20 PM CEST; Partly Cloudy. High:86 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:87 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:59 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:84 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F.;

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08:54 <quail> hii! all

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08:54 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 20mph / 32km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:73 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:51 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 F.; Clear. High:62 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F.;

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09:12 <xcamel> 'lo

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09:20 <xcamel> &ping

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09:21 <xcamel> &more

09:21 <Romulus> xcamel: 60s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Patchy fog in the morning. Mostly sunny. Hot. Humid with highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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09:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms through midnight...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 60s. South wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southeast after midnight. Chance of thunderstorms 50 percent.; Monday - Partly sunny with a 20 percent (1 more message)

09:27 <wdsmia> &more

09:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: chance of thunderstorms. High in the upper 70s. Northeast wind near 5 mph shifting to the southeast in the afternoon.;

09:31 <quail> xcamel: hii! Jay, how are things?

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11:03 <CoderForLife> &social

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11:04 <MTughan> His server's still down.

11:04 <CoderForLife> I thought he brought it up

11:04 <CoderForLife> "[19:34] xcamel: looks like old kyzyl is alive again for the moment"

11:05 <CoderForLife> maybe that moment has passed

11:07 <quail> CoderForLife: hii! Don, how are you mate? what been happening?

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11:30 <CoderForLife> lunch, then going to see "District 9" - bbl

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13:57 <wdsmia_> Highest World position ever 69 at 2009-08-16 :-)

13:58 <MTughan> Loan me some of your GPUs, would ya? :P

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14:02 <MTughan> I'm at 1524 here, RAC position of 430. :P

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14:03 <wdsmia_> RAC position 43 :P

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15:35 <CoderForLife> back from "District 9"

15:35 <CoderForLife> PovAddict do you still have your BOINC server installation notes?

15:36 <CoderForLife> since I have to rebuild my server, I wanted to do it right

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16:02 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 76°F / 25°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM CEST; Clear. High:86 F.; Clear. Low:64 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:82 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:60 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:75 F.; Clear. Low:53 F.;

16:04 <MTughan> Usain Bolt apparently just set a new 100M mens sprint record.

16:10 <CoderForLife> that guy is well-named

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17:30 <CoderForLife> anyone know where Pov is this weekend?

17:31 <PovAddict> I was in my cousin's birthday party till 6 am, then slept till 4 pm

17:31 <MTughan> Congrats, now you're screwing up your sleep schedule too!

17:31 <CoderForLife> good for you - rest while you're young =)

17:32 <PovAddict> MTughan: "now"?

17:32 <MTughan> Yesterday, I slept from ~9AM to 11:30PM.

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17:34 <CoderForLife> do you have your BOINC server install notes somewhere, PovAddict?

17:34 <PovAddict> and yet my dad wants me to continue studying today

17:34 <CoderForLife> seems I need to build a new one =P

17:35 <CoderForLife> I rescued a bunch of files off one of the mirrored disks - partition table is gone

17:36 <CoderForLife> I have my work generator and assimilator code, my science app, my templates and such - couldn't copy my results table as it was too big

17:36 <wdsmia> ouch!

17:37 <PovAddict> I successfully recovered the partition table once

17:37 <PovAddict> can't remember what tool I used

17:37 <CoderForLife> I was using Testdisk

17:37 <PovAddict> it basically scans your entire disk looking for something that looks like the beginning of the filesystem

17:37 <CoderForLife> yup

17:38 <CoderForLife> boot, / and /home all "lost"

17:39 * CoderForLife creates a template for putting information onto the Membership Certificates for his LLC

17:41 <CoderForLife> need to actually create the members before I can open the bank account

17:42 <CoderForLife> need to use my light table (the back door) to check for positioning - brb

17:58 <CoderForLife> Got the Certificates done

17:59 <CoderForLife> I am now Number 1

18:00 <wdsmia> thats just sad

18:00 <CoderForLife> sad?

18:01 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking happy thoughts

18:01 <CoderForLife> Happy - happy - happy

18:03 <CoderForLife> Stephen is Member number 2

18:05 <CoderForLife> PovAddict - do you have your BOINC server installation notes somewhere - I thought you had them on a web site

18:05 <PovAddict> I don't have a website :(

18:05 <CoderForLife> some collaboration editing thing

18:05 <CoderForLife> was pretty cool

18:06 <CoderForLife> Gobby?

18:06 <PovAddict> yes

18:06 <PovAddict> found the file

18:06 <CoderForLife> I'd like to start from the notes we did

18:06 <CoderForLife> ah excellent

18:07 <CoderForLife> send me a link?

18:08 <PovAddict> did

18:09 <CoderForLife> most highly excellent - thanks

18:09 <CoderForLife> yes yes - very good

18:28 * CoderForLife makes the boinc server code

18:31 <CoderForLife> excellent

18:31 <CoderForLife> everything compiled clean - this is a F11 box

18:35 <CoderForLife> gee - I guess I need mysql on this box

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19:30 <stiv2k_> hi

19:30 <stiv2k_> can i change from windows service mode to regular mode w/o reinstalling?

19:32 <MTughan> I'm not certain this will cover everything, but you might just be able to tell the service not to start on startup.

19:32 <stiv2k_> hm

19:32 <stiv2k_> i miss the graphics :)

19:32 <MTughan> You know the graphics slow it down?

19:32 <stiv2k_> i suspected that

19:32 <stiv2k_> but I just use the screensaver graphics

19:32 <stiv2k_> maybe i will just leave it alone.

19:36 <PovAddict> uh

19:36 <PovAddict> you're still in BOINC 5.x?

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19:37 <stiv2k_> PovAddict: eek, i haven't so much as checked for updates to BOINC in years

19:37 <stiv2k_> 5.10.45

19:37 <stiv2k_> im afraid to see what the current version is :|

19:38 <PovAddict> well let's just say 6.x lets you have graphics in service mode

19:38 <PovAddict> actually, there are no installation modes anymore

19:38 <stiv2k_> PovAddict: cool, downloading it now

19:39 <stiv2k_> PovAddict: does 6.x notify you of updates too? :P

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19:45 <PovAddict> no

19:46 <stiv2k_> that seems like a rather necessary feature

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20:07 <quail> morning all

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20:35 <KathrynM> laters

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20:56 <wdsmia_> &more

20:56 <Romulus> wdsmia_: upper 70s. Northeast wind around 5 mph shifting to the northwest in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. Northwest wind around 5 mph.;

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21:04 <quail> meep meep wdsmia

21:04 <wdsmia> *lo quail

21:06 <quail> how are you?

21:06 <wdsmia> doing good... brb dinner

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21:46 <CoderForLife> gn

21:50 <quail> CoderForLife: hii! / nn

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