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01:05 <zombie67> and yet another case where the users are having to explain how BOINC works to the admins
01:08 <PovAddict> the server should be closed source
01:09 <MTughan> Then we wouldn't have to see all the crud in it?
01:09 <PovAddict> and make it so you can only get it after completing training & exam :P
01:10 <zombie67> FWIW, I am not necessarily blaming the admins
01:10 <MTughan> Oh, how's this for a laptop? http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/sager-np9280-with-core-i7-and-triple-ssds-is-the-worlds-most-po/
01:11 <zombie67> I have no idea how good/bad the documentation for BOINC server is.
01:11 <MTughan> Core i7 processors, Nvidia GTX280M, three HDs, 11.5lbs.
01:11 <PovAddict> zombie: if docs were better, you still cant ensure admins will read them...
01:12 <zombie67> TRVTH
01:12 <PovAddict> maybe setting up a server should be harder so you can't do it unless you take the time to rtfm
01:13 <zombie67> hmmm
01:13 <zombie67> or put a "mac" layer in between the code and the admin
01:13 <zombie67> wow..and einstein is still down
01:15 <PovAddict> 'mac' layer?
01:16 <PovAddict> to use iPhoto effectively, you need to understand its concept of folders, tags, and rolls
01:16 <PovAddict> eg. deleting a photo from a folder doesnt get rid of it
01:16 <PovAddict> a good UI is no substitute for learning
01:17 <zombie67> yes, but estimated run time might be something that could/should be done automatically?
01:17 <PovAddict> and a public project is not the place to experiment with the UI and learn the concepts by trial and error, as you'd do in a program like iPhoto
01:20 <PovAddict> you can make it easier for a user to create folders; but that alone wont make them realize that they'll be better organized by using them
01:21 <zombie67> yeah, I don't have answers. I only can say that I see stuff like this over an over with new projects
01:21 <zombie67> maybe make it like driving a car
01:21 <PovAddict> you can make it easier to adjust estimated time but that alone won't make the admin know that it's not optional, and how important it is to keep it accurate
01:21 <zombie67> anyone can do it legally, but only after they earn a license.
01:21 <PovAddict> only docs can do that...
01:23 <PovAddict> maybe DA needs to increase the requirements for listing in the project list
01:23 <zombie67> but a on line test in order to be able to d/l the sw?
01:23 <PovAddict> &whatis project list
01:24 <zombie67> brb
01:24 <PovAddict> I think he talks to the project admin to ensure the research is legitimate, and that they are using proper code signing practices
01:25 <PovAddict> I don't think he makes a comprehensive test on boinc admin knowledge...
01:30 <zombie67> research is legitimate....wow....how does one define that?
01:30 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
01:31 <PovAddict> not wasting cycles for fun
01:32 <PovAddict> showing you know something about the problem domain
01:32 * yoyo[RKN] is playing with hr_class
01:33 <PovAddict> eg. once you learn some details, you'd know mweltin was unlikely to find a better TSP solution than the current state of the art, and that his app was FAR from state of the art
01:34 <MTughan> PovAddict: You saw yoyo's question in #boinc_dev earlier?
01:34 <PovAddict> and it was, essentially, wasting cycles for fun
01:35 <zombie67> so you have to have a best/better solution to any know problem to use BOINC/
01:37 <MTughan> Or just need lots of computational power to prove something. ABC@home, for example.
01:37 <zombie67> define "fun"
01:37 <zombie67> pov: you are using nothing but subjective terms
01:37 <PovAddict> MT: I dont have much experience with HR, and I'm not able to help with lengthy technical problems right now
01:38 <yoyo[RKN]> win64 is not bit identical to win32
01:38 <yoyo[RKN]> mean the results
01:39 <yoyo[RKN]> which seams to be reasonable because 64bits are used
01:40 <yoyo[RKN]> and also win2000 doesn't generate the same results as win32
01:43 <PovAddict> zombie: what makes you think DA will be objective? :)
01:43 <efc> I tried to tell mweltin that..
01:44 <PovAddict> efc: it wasnt even an efficient implementation of the naive bruteforce algorithm
01:45 <efc> Yeah. Also, I failed to see the point of solving a single instance of the problem
01:46 <PovAddict> a user sped it up by 100x or something , making the project a good scenario of a credit-related mess
01:46 <PovAddict> I think he didnt change the algorithm
01:47 <efc> He tried -O2? hehe
01:49 <zombie67> pov: my point is, if you cannot set objective standards, then there is no point in any standards
01:50 <zombie67> whatever standards he is using now, not so effective
01:51 <zombie67> watching Olivia d'Abo with my govenator
01:52 <zombie67> grace jones was/is a freak
01:52 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 768 + 256
01:52 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 1024
01:53 <zombie67> well duh
01:58 <zombie67> where is dcf kept?
02:00 <zombie67> crap, this sounds like a familiar question
02:04 <zombie67> found it, and familiar answer
02:46 <MTughan> Yep, client_state. :)
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08:54 <quail> hii! all
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09:12 <xcamel> 'lo
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09:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: chance of thunderstorms. High in the upper 70s. Northeast wind near 5 mph shifting to the southeast in the afternoon.;
09:31 <quail> xcamel: hii! Jay, how are things?
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11:03 <CoderForLife> &social
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11:04 <MTughan> His server's still down.
11:04 <CoderForLife> I thought he brought it up
11:04 <CoderForLife> "[19:34] xcamel: looks like old kyzyl is alive again for the moment"
11:05 <CoderForLife> maybe that moment has passed
11:07 <quail> CoderForLife: hii! Don, how are you mate? what been happening?
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11:30 <CoderForLife> lunch, then going to see "District 9" - bbl
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13:57 <wdsmia_> Highest World position ever 69 at 2009-08-16 :-)
13:58 <MTughan> Loan me some of your GPUs, would ya? :P
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14:02 <MTughan> I'm at 1524 here, RAC position of 430. :P
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14:03 <wdsmia_> RAC position 43 :P
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15:35 <CoderForLife> back from "District 9"
15:35 <CoderForLife> PovAddict do you still have your BOINC server installation notes?
15:36 <CoderForLife> since I have to rebuild my server, I wanted to do it right
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16:04 <MTughan> Usain Bolt apparently just set a new 100M mens sprint record.
16:10 <CoderForLife> that guy is well-named
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17:30 <CoderForLife> anyone know where Pov is this weekend?
17:31 <PovAddict> I was in my cousin's birthday party till 6 am, then slept till 4 pm
17:31 <MTughan> Congrats, now you're screwing up your sleep schedule too!
17:31 <CoderForLife> good for you - rest while you're young =)
17:32 <PovAddict> MTughan: "now"?
17:32 <MTughan> Yesterday, I slept from ~9AM to 11:30PM.
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17:34 <CoderForLife> do you have your BOINC server install notes somewhere, PovAddict?
17:34 <PovAddict> and yet my dad wants me to continue studying today
17:34 <CoderForLife> seems I need to build a new one =P
17:35 <CoderForLife> I rescued a bunch of files off one of the mirrored disks - partition table is gone
17:36 <CoderForLife> I have my work generator and assimilator code, my science app, my templates and such - couldn't copy my results table as it was too big
17:36 <wdsmia> ouch!
17:37 <PovAddict> I successfully recovered the partition table once
17:37 <PovAddict> can't remember what tool I used
17:37 <CoderForLife> I was using Testdisk
17:37 <PovAddict> it basically scans your entire disk looking for something that looks like the beginning of the filesystem
17:37 <CoderForLife> yup
17:38 <CoderForLife> boot, / and /home all "lost"
17:39 * CoderForLife creates a template for putting information onto the Membership Certificates for his LLC
17:41 <CoderForLife> need to actually create the members before I can open the bank account
17:42 <CoderForLife> need to use my light table (the back door) to check for positioning - brb
17:58 <CoderForLife> Got the Certificates done
17:59 <CoderForLife> I am now Number 1
18:00 <wdsmia> thats just sad
18:00 <CoderForLife> sad?
18:01 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking happy thoughts
18:01 <CoderForLife> Happy - happy - happy
18:03 <CoderForLife> Stephen is Member number 2
18:05 <CoderForLife> PovAddict - do you have your BOINC server installation notes somewhere - I thought you had them on a web site
18:05 <PovAddict> I don't have a website :(
18:05 <CoderForLife> some collaboration editing thing
18:05 <CoderForLife> was pretty cool
18:06 <CoderForLife> Gobby?
18:06 <PovAddict> yes
18:06 <PovAddict> found the file
18:06 <CoderForLife> I'd like to start from the notes we did
18:06 <CoderForLife> ah excellent
18:07 <CoderForLife> send me a link?
18:08 <PovAddict> did
18:09 <CoderForLife> most highly excellent - thanks
18:09 <CoderForLife> yes yes - very good
18:28 * CoderForLife makes the boinc server code
18:31 <CoderForLife> excellent
18:31 <CoderForLife> everything compiled clean - this is a F11 box
18:35 <CoderForLife> gee - I guess I need mysql on this box
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19:30 <stiv2k_> hi
19:30 <stiv2k_> can i change from windows service mode to regular mode w/o reinstalling?
19:32 <MTughan> I'm not certain this will cover everything, but you might just be able to tell the service not to start on startup.
19:32 <stiv2k_> hm
19:32 <stiv2k_> i miss the graphics :)
19:32 <MTughan> You know the graphics slow it down?
19:32 <stiv2k_> i suspected that
19:32 <stiv2k_> but I just use the screensaver graphics
19:32 <stiv2k_> maybe i will just leave it alone.
19:36 <PovAddict> uh
19:36 <PovAddict> you're still in BOINC 5.x?
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19:37 <stiv2k_> PovAddict: eek, i haven't so much as checked for updates to BOINC in years
19:37 <stiv2k_> 5.10.45
19:37 <stiv2k_> im afraid to see what the current version is :|
19:38 <PovAddict> well let's just say 6.x lets you have graphics in service mode
19:38 <PovAddict> actually, there are no installation modes anymore
19:38 <stiv2k_> PovAddict: cool, downloading it now
19:39 <stiv2k_> PovAddict: does 6.x notify you of updates too? :P
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19:45 <PovAddict> no
19:46 <stiv2k_> that seems like a rather necessary feature
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20:07 <quail> morning all
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20:35 <KathrynM> laters
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21:04 <quail> meep meep wdsmia
21:04 <wdsmia> *lo quail
21:06 <quail> how are you?
21:06 <wdsmia> doing good... brb dinner
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21:46 <CoderForLife> gn
21:50 <quail> CoderForLife: hii! / nn
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