IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-08-19

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01:05 <zombie67> http://gallery.me.com/zombie67/100127

01:05 <Romulus> Title: MobileMe Gallery (at gallery.me.com)

01:12 <PovAddict> aww

01:14 <zombie67> damn straight!

01:15 <zombie67> Ive had three labs

01:15 <zombie67> still have my 13 year old black named shenandoah

01:16 <zombie67> the cutest puppies ever

01:30 <zombie67> http://gallery.me.com/zombie67/100141

01:30 <Romulus> Title: MobileMe Gallery (at gallery.me.com)

01:30 <zombie67> just proves why blondes are so DAMN attractive

01:40 <quail> afternoon all

01:45 <efc> moo

01:47 <quail> meep meep

01:48 <efc> i forgot to eat and my stomach woke me up

01:48 <quail> :-(

01:48 <zombie67> traitorous bastard

01:49 * quail makes efc a silverside, cheese and tomato roll

01:52 <efc> or chicken soup in a dirty bowl..

01:52 <efc> I wonder why my monitor doesn't power down sometimes.

01:53 <efc> its about a 70 watt difference..

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03:24 <desti> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/08/113_50348.html

03:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/mh93tj> (at www.koreatimes.co.kr)

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04:22 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 73.0F / 22.8C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 80s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms... mainly in the (1 more message)

04:22 <CoderForLife> &more

04:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening. Muggy. Lows around 70. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Showers and thunderstorms likely...mainly in the afternoon. Humid with highs in the lower 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

04:27 <efc> &wx 31088

04:27 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 73F / 23C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Southeast winds 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in (1 more message)

04:28 <efc> &more

04:28 <Romulus> efc: the evening...then a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 70s. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Thursday - Partly sunny in the morning then becoming mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.;

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05:45 * ELGono now officially on vacation ;)

05:46 <MTughan> I'm leaving for there in 6.5 hours. :D

05:46 <ELGono> just finished this years last exam

05:57 <Happy0> I've got a resit exam in 3 hours and a half :X

05:57 <ELGono> crossing fingers

05:58 <Happy0> Is that for you or me? :P

05:58 <ELGono> hope it's not as ugly as mine was ....

05:58 <ELGono> algorithm theorie

05:58 <ELGono> hehe for you

05:59 <ELGono> i just can wait ;)

05:59 <ELGono> but feeling is okay

05:59 <Happy0> Thanks pal :P

05:59 <Happy0> Mines is maths from the first semester I failed... But then I got into it in the second and got a B...

05:59 <Happy0> Algorithm theory, gadz... :P

05:59 <ELGono> hehe 2 weeks ago for me

05:59 <ELGono> math1

05:59 <Happy0> Incase you're not familiar with the word "gadz", 'tis a Scottish word :P

06:00 <ELGono> needed to do that course again, although i got it from another study 10years ago

06:00 <MTughan> From "Egads"?

06:00 <Happy0> Perhaps! Never thought about that :P

06:00 <Happy0> Mathematics 1R, mines was called

06:00 <MTughan> I have a physics exam in about a week.

06:00 <Happy0> Best of luck, pal =]

06:01 <MTughan> I really don't like the physics...

06:01 <ELGono> i feel with you MT

06:01 <Happy0> ELGono, that sucks that they forced you to do it again.

06:01 <quail> evening all

06:01 <MTughan> 'lo quail

06:01 <Happy0> 'Ning.

06:01 <MTughan> 6AM for me... xD

06:01 <quail> 1931 for me

06:02 <ELGono> ahoi dale

06:02 <quail> yo ELGono

06:05 <ELGono> quail : seen my last thunderstorm pix? http://matrix.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/~elgono/pg/?Qwd=./gewitter-16.08.09&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M

06:05 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m8dceu> (at matrix.fem.tu-ilmenau.de)

06:05 <quail> yep

06:06 <ELGono> one hit uni and temperature regulation went of in main serverroom

06:06 <ELGono> they had some phun that day

06:10 <quail> ELGono: you hear I bought a new laptop last week?

06:11 <quail> ELGono: http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/debian_acer_aspire_timeline_4810t.html

06:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lltyz9> (at quail.southernvaleslug.org)

06:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 65.2F / 18.4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Widespread thunderstorms in the morning... then numerous thunderstorms in the afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with damaging wind and large hail late in the afternoon. High in the upper 70s. (2 more messages)

06:27 <wdsmia> &more

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: South wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 80 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Thunderstorms through midnight...then a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall through midnight. Low in the lower 60s. South wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the west 10 to 15 mph after midnight. Chance of thunderstorms 80 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a (1 more message)

06:27 <wdsmia> &more

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms. Breezy. High in the lower 70s. West wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 20 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;

06:30 <quail> &wx ypad

06:30 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:30 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:51 F.; Chance of Rain. High:71 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F.; Chance of Rain. High:73 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.;

06:31 <hawmps> spork >> 213.115.255.28, tran.com.au, 12.216.245.235, 60.250.170.125

06:34 <quail> kplunk

06:39 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:42 <quail> evening

07:05 <ELGono> quail : nice docu

07:06 <ELGono> heidi installed win7 pro yesterday... now kubuntu grub entry disappeared

07:07 <ELGono> hope grup dual boot reconfigure doesn't harm win7

07:07 <ELGono> and win7 suckz

07:08 <quail> ELGono: thx

07:12 <hawmps> agree on win 7 suckage.

07:12 <hawmps> no scsi suppor.. at all.

07:15 <quail> vista sucks too

07:15 <ELGono> indeed

07:15 <quail> Debian FTW!

07:15 <ELGono> had a typo in setting up wlan ... took me half hour to resolv it

07:15 <hawmps> it happens.

07:16 <ELGono> well i knew that i had a typo

07:16 <ELGono> but no chance to reconfigure

07:33 <hawmps> finally going to upgrade kyzyl, now that I've recovered the backup on to a couple of larger sata drives...

07:35 <hawmps> looking like a core2-Q, (8gb) and a 9800GTX or maybe a GTX275

07:35 <MTughan> Where do you get your computer names from?

07:35 <hawmps> that old lug has worked long and hard, and deserves a rest.

07:36 <hawmps> I'll never tell, Mike.

07:36 <MTughan> Heh.

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14:19 <PovAddict> finally

14:19 <PovAddict> Ubuntu has kernel updates for the recently-found serious privilege escalation bug

14:49 <quail> hehe, they only about a week late

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> valtest.c:(.text+0x383): undefined reference to `ltoa'

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> in which lib is ltoa

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> gcc on suse linux

15:06 <PovAddict> can't find it anywhere

15:07 <PovAddict> it's non-standard

15:07 <PovAddict> I can't find its declaration in any of my *header* files either

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]> void ltoa(char *a, long l, size_t length)

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]> {

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]>   char temp[100];

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]>   sprintf(temp, "%ld", l);

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]>   strncpy(a, temp, length);

15:09 <yoyo[RKN]> }

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15:25 <hoonteke> so I'm reading http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool trying to set the proxy (--set_proxy_settings), but I'm a little confused.  I have a SOCKS proxy set up (ssh -D 9999 some_host), so I'm a little confused what I should put on the line.  Any example inputs?

15:25 <Romulus> Title: Boinccmd tool - BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

15:25 <PovAddict> what version of BOINC are you using?

15:26 <hoonteke> 6.4.5 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

15:28 <PovAddict> boinccmd --set_proxy_settings is totally broken before 6.6.12

15:29 <PovAddict> it sets the proxy server hostname, user, and password, but doesn't toggle the "use proxy" setting...

15:29 <hoonteke> PovAddict: alright.  So ... that basically means that I can't use it to set the proxy settings, and therefore not this set of machines.  (They mandatorally use a proxy.)  Is there another way to setup the proxy settings?

15:30 <PovAddict> you can also put proxy info in a configuration file

15:30 <PovAddict> ...but that's also since 6.6.12 ;)

15:31 <hoonteke> nice.  And there's not a an x86_64 build newer that 6.4.5 for linux?

15:31 <PovAddict> I guess you'd have to stop BOINC and (carefully!) edit client_state.xml

15:31 <hoonteke> PovAddict: alright, that was my next question

15:44 <hoonteke> alright, that's embarrassing: I looked again, and there *is* a build newer than 6.4.5.  I don't know how I got the 6.4.5 version.

15:44 <hoonteke> PovAddict: so ... any ideas what specifically I need to change in the .xml file?

15:44 <PovAddict> I don't use proxies, so no

15:45 <PovAddict> proxies are at the very bottom of the file

15:45 <hoonteke> yep

15:45 <hoonteke> but I don't know what specifically boinc is looking for

15:45 <hoonteke> I've tried removing the no_proxy element

15:45 <hoonteke> I've tried changing it to false

15:46 <hoonteke> I've tried renaming it to <proxy>

15:46 <PovAddict> I see no <no_proxy> element

15:46 <PovAddict> ok, I'll dive to the code :)

15:47 <PovAddict> the boinc client supports env vars btw

15:47 <hoonteke> oh

15:47 <hoonteke> which ones?

15:47 <PovAddict> SOCKS_SERVER, SOCKS5_USER, SOCKS5_PASSWD

15:47 <PovAddict> they seem standard-ish...?

15:48 <hoonteke> there is no authentication though ...

15:48 <hoonteke> since it's running as my user

15:49 <PovAddict> anyway, if you're going to edit client_state...

15:50 <PovAddict> <no_proxy> is to specify what hostnames shouldn't use the proxy

15:50 <PovAddict> for example, to avoid the proxy when accessing a BOINC project that runs on your LAN :)

15:51 <PovAddict> what you need to add is <use_socks_proxy/>, apart from filling <socks_server_name>, <socks_server_port>, etc.

15:55 <hoonteke> PovAddict: hmm, so here's what I have http://dpaste.com/82884

15:55 <Romulus> Title: dpaste: #82884: BOINC proxy settings, by hoonteke (at dpaste.com)

15:56 <PovAddict> the http settings will be ignored if there is no <use_http_proxy/>

15:56 <hoonteke> ko

15:57 <PovAddict> socks_version changing is strange, though

16:00 <hoonteke> hmm.  well, now it at least says "Using SOCKS proxy localhost:10001", but I doesn't look like it's doing anything.  Now I'm not sure if it's something I haven't plumbed up... do you know of a cmdline test program for something like that ?  o.w. to google I go

16:18 <hoonteke> PovAddict: well, I've failed for now, but I do thank you for you help

16:18 <hoonteke> much appreciated.

16:22 <PovAddict> "you tried and you failed; the lesson is, never try"

16:23 <PovAddict> I think it was homer simpson who said it

16:29 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

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17:09 <hoonteke> heh.  a matter of define who/what failed, really.  And failure is so ... final.  I'm not ready to admit defeat yet.  :-)

17:09 <hoonteke> Cheers mate.

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17:30 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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17:44 <quail> morning all

17:44 <quail> ah caffeine

17:44 <PovAddict> &grab quail

17:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

17:45 <wdsmia> Ah Beer... afternoon Q

17:45 <quail> how are we all?

17:45 <wdsmia> tired

17:46 * quail added a 'What not working' section to => http://quail.southernvaleslug.org/debian_acer_aspire_timeline_4810t.html

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17:52 * wdsmia sends quail his networking hat

17:55 <quail> huh?

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17:58 <wdsmia_> sorry was looking at the ...Requires Work...

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17:59 <quail> wdsmia: whats not working seems to all related to the kernel bug I have linked to there

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18:06 <wdsmia> &8ball will wdsmia win the $250M lottery tonight

18:06 <Romulus> wdsmia: Come again?

18:07 <quail> hehe

18:13 <wdsmia> &eightball will wdsmia win the $250M lottery tonight

18:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: Come again?

18:13 <wdsmia> &insult Romulus

18:13 <Romulus> Romulus - You are nothing but an infected bag of fawning yoo-hoo.

18:16 <wdsmia> &eightball will wdsmia win the $250M lottery tonight?

18:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: The outlook is good.

18:16 <CoderForLife> &8ball is wdsmia dreaming?

18:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: The outlook is poor.

18:16 <quail> YAY

18:17 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:17 <quail> CoderForLife: hii!, how are you?

18:17 <CoderForLife> &8ball will CoderForLife be able to get the ballast out of his desk light to replace it?

18:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: It is so.

18:17 <CoderForLife> coo

18:17 <CoderForLife> l

18:19 <CoderForLife> weather warning

18:19 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 82.2F / 27.9C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.60in / 1002.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms... mainly this evening. Lows in the lower 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Thursday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Humid with (2 more messages)

18:19 <CoderForLife> &more

18:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: highs in the lower 80s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Thursday Night - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Lows in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph... diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tornado Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 1:00 AM EDT on August 20, (1 more message)

18:19 <CoderForLife> Oooooo tornado watch

18:20 <CoderForLife> &more

18:20 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 2009;

18:20 <CoderForLife> "2009" to you too Rommie

18:20 <quail> hehe

18:20 <quail> CoderForLife: hey Don, what been happening?

18:22 <CoderForLife> I w@#%ed, then I came home to tear apart my light, then I'll w@#% some more in a bit

18:22 <quail> ah

18:22 <CoderForLife> watsamattayou?  you found your blog again lately?

18:23 <quail> huh?

18:24 <CoderForLife> your blog - too many updates too soon after many months

18:24 <quail> oh, hehe

18:25 <quail> CoderForLife: yeah not alot been worth blogging about the past year till I got my new laptop

18:26 <quail> CoderForLife: and I created a basic html page too

18:26 <quail> and I will be moving soon too

18:26 <CoderForLife> man, you're setting the web on fire

18:26 <quail> new house will be finished in 4 days

18:29 <CoderForLife> is this next to the observatory?

18:30 <quail> yep

18:30 <CoderForLife> cool - I was wondering when that would happen

18:30 <CoderForLife> did you solve the broadband access problem?

18:31 * quail will be connecting to 3g mobile for internet access

18:32 <CoderForLife> fairynuf

18:33 <quail> that will be till the telephone exchange there is setup for adsl

18:33 <quail> brb, need more caffeine

18:34 * CoderForLife , with the desk light disassembled, cleans the black deposits where a fluoresecent tube blew up several years ago

18:34 <PovAddict> exploded?

18:35 <PovAddict> did it just stop working, or did it literally blow up with bits of glass scattered around and all?

18:35 <CoderForLife> sploded into itty-bitty crunchy pieces

18:35 <PovAddict> ugh

18:35 <CoderForLife> very nice

18:37 <CoderForLife> evidently this time it was the ballast, not the bulb that has gone kaflooey

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18:39 <CoderForLife> I need a new Cat. No. 691-L-TC-P F30W T12/RS Lamp Ballast

18:40 * quail is back

19:10 <CoderForLife> brb

19:37 * CoderForLife makes his Home Depot shopping list

19:37 <CoderForLife> too bad there's not a good Curtis Lumber store nearby

19:38 <CoderForLife> I bet that old 84 Lumber site would work nicely

19:44 <PovAddict> heh

19:58 <kathryn_> stop the world, I wanna get off!

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19:59 <PovAddict> well, there is a way, but I'd seriously *not* recommend it

19:59 * wdsmia orders pizza

19:59 * KathrynM had leftover peperoni pizza for breakfast

20:00 <KathrynM> I'm procrastinating.  I gotta go to the bank and pay bills.

20:00 <PovAddict> mini-student-induced stress?

20:00 <KathrynM> other-teacher-induced stress

20:01 <KathrynM> two teachers leaving next Friday.  Replacements coming who knows when

20:01 <KathrynM> *sigh*

20:01 <KathrynM> <-------- shower

20:01 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

20:01 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM KST; Unknown. High:77 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:75 F.; Chance of Rain. High:80 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:75 F.; Chance of Rain. High:82 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:69 F.;

20:01 <PovAddict> heh

20:02 <KathrynM> high 77?

20:02 <KathrynM> yeah right

20:02 <KathrynM> &wx 44137

20:02 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 82.1F / 27.8C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows around 70. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Humid with highs in the mid 80s. South (1 more message)

20:02 <KathrynM> &more

20:02 <Romulus> KathrynM: winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Thursday Night - Showers and thunderstorms likely. Muggy. Lows around 70. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

20:02 <PovAddict> &wx eze

20:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM ART; Chance of Rain. High:57 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F.; Clear. High:60 F.; Clear. Low:39 F.; Clear. High:64 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:39 F.;

20:02 <KathrynM> that's it, I'm moving down to your neck of the woods

20:03 <KathrynM> I need to spend half the year up north and the other half down south.

20:03 <KathrynM> that way I never have to deal with this crappy heat

20:03 <PovAddict> \o/

20:04 <PovAddict> if you're surviving *Korea*, you should be able to survive here without knowing Spanish...

20:04 <KathrynM> :)

20:04 <KathrynM> It would be easier.  At least I studied Spanish in high school

20:05 <KathrynM> And I wouldn't have to learn an entirely new writing system

20:05 <PovAddict> Spanish has an alphabet

20:05 <PovAddict> 'nuff said

20:05 <KathrynM> So does Korean.  It just looks completely different.

20:05 <KathrynM> It's not like Japanese kanji (or whatever it's called)

20:05 <PovAddict> all you have to know is that ñ is a letter by itself; between n and o

20:05 <KathrynM> :)

20:06 <KathrynM> I remember that.

20:06 <PovAddict> and we have two diacritical marks, one of which is rarely used

20:06 <PovAddict> (unlike other languages with their áàâã mess)

20:06 <KathrynM> :)

20:07 <KathrynM> ok.  shower for real now

20:07 <KathrynM> laters

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20:34 <CoderForLife> ahh - took a hot bath

20:35 * wdsmia thinks there all wet

20:35 <CoderForLife> indeed

20:35 <CoderForLife> and now the rain moves in to complete the task

20:36 * CoderForLife fires up VNC to his Mac for the first time

20:36 <CoderForLife> very nice

20:36 <PovAddict> never tried VNC server on Mac

20:36 <PovAddict> did try client

20:36 <CoderForLife> built-in

20:37 <PovAddict> and I can say if you want to connect to a Windows machine, using RDP is way faster

20:38 <CoderForLife> I needed to go the other way - remote from w@#% to my 'doze box, then VNC to Mac

20:38 <PovAddict> and Microsoft Remote Desktop client for Mac is faster than CoRD

20:38 <CoderForLife> mean I can Code iPhone stuff from w@#%  =)

20:39 * PovAddict wrote a shell script to run 'make' immediately after a source file is saved

20:40 <PovAddict> and beep on build error

20:42 <CoderForLife> I saw buildbot does IRC

20:43 <PovAddict> yes, I have an instance running on #synecdoche

20:43 * CoderForLife would love to do something with synedoche but thinks the price may be too high

20:43 <PovAddict> notifies there when a build fails

20:44 <PovAddict> price?

20:44 <CoderForLife> um-hmm

20:44 <CoderForLife> cost

20:46 <PovAddict> http://harwer.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/bunny.jpg

20:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m6yqws> (at harwer.files.wordpress.com)

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20:56 <CoderForLife> gn all

21:07 <PovAddict> (I still don't know what he meant)

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22:16 <efc> Think I should go for Firefox 3.5?

22:20 * efc goes.. 3.0.X has been running choppily

22:24 <PovAddict> if you can upgrade easily...

22:26 <efc> I'll probably have to eventually anyway

22:30 <efc> It still seems to have the problem where its apparently single threaded

22:39 <PovAddict> all browsers are

22:39 <PovAddict> except Google Chrome and (I think) IE7/IE8

22:40 <PovAddict> if one tab has heavy Javascript code, the entire browser hangs while that runs

22:41 <efc> Yeah.. and all the javascript seems to be heavy these days

22:41 <PovAddict> get NoScript

22:56 * PovAddict will now try xfce

23:33 <PovAddict> it's fairly good...

23:33 <PovAddict> doesn't come with any apps though

23:33 <PovAddict> for any important apps like a web browser or an email client, you have to use one taken from a heavier desktop environment :)

23:37 <efc> How does that work out?

23:41 <PovAddict> ?

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23:44 <efc> Heavy app on light window manager

23:44 <PovAddict> Firefox works with twm as window manager just fine...

23:45 <PovAddict> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Twm.png

23:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/37x46h> (at upload.wikimedia.org)

23:46 <PovAddict> the main problem if you run, say, a KDE app while in GNOME

23:46 <PovAddict> is that a zillion shared libraries from KDE and Qt will have to be loaded

23:46 <PovAddict> in some cases also services

23:47 <PovAddict> kdeinit, dcop, kioslaves

23:47 <PovAddict> so it's generally a bad idea to mix apps like that :)

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