IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-08-22

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05:26 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 62.9F / 17.2C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.57in / 1001.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny early this morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 30 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 70s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the (1 more message)

05:26 <CoderForLife> &more

05:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening. Lows in the mid 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. North winds around 5 mph.;

05:27 <CoderForLife> brb-eakfast

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07:23 <CoderForLife> outside to do some chores

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08:13 <CoderForLife> tg

08:13 <CoderForLife> hello KM

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08:24 <CoderForLife> oh well

08:24 * CoderForLife goes back to Coding

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09:02 <quail> evening all, how is everyone

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13:37 <wdsmia> &quiet

13:37 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers

13:53 <quail> meep meep wdsmia

13:53 <wdsmia> got a mouse in you pocket?

13:53 <quail> hehe

13:55 <wdsmia> just looking at updated stats

13:56 <wdsmia> shuting down the last of the P4's today just as soon as queues clear

14:00 <quail> oh, why?

14:00 <wdsmia> not worth the power

14:01 <quail> how many pc's you be left with running?

14:01 <wdsmia> a p4 3.8 just dont cut it anymore

14:02 <quail> ah

14:02 <wdsmia> just the quads and a few Pent D's

14:04 <wdsmia> when 1 GPU can do the work of 100 p4 2.8M its not worth running them

14:06 <quail> yep

14:09 <wdsmia> unless you stick a gpu in them :)

14:09 <wdsmia> lol

14:09 <quail> hehe

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14:55 <maelcum> hi. i just upgraded from 6.4.something to the latest version and now the manager doesn't show any projects anymore.

14:55 <maelcum> it's as if i didn't have any accounts.

14:55 <maelcum> this is on linux.

14:55 <maelcum> what can i do?

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> you can just enter the url of the project you want

14:58 <maelcum> i don't remember any urls and/or login credentials.

14:58 <PovAddict> maelcum: how did you upgrade?

14:59 <maelcum> otoh i'll probably find them in the BOINC dir in xml files.

14:59 <maelcum> i copied the new files over the old ones.

14:59 <maelcum> this is how i always do it and it worked before...

14:59 <PovAddict> downloaded the .sh file from boinc website?

15:00 <maelcum> yup

15:01 <PovAddict> just running the script should create the new files in ./BOINC/

15:01 <PovAddict> so if that directory already exists, the files will be overwritten

15:01 <maelcum> i usually run that file in ~/BOINC/new, then copy the files from ~/BOINC/new/BOINC to ~/BOINC and edit the paths in the two run_* scripts.

15:01 <PovAddict> right

15:01 <PovAddict> and after upgrading, how did you run BOINC?

15:01 <maelcum> but you're right, i could do it simpler

15:02 <maelcum> ~/BOINC/run_manager

15:02 <PovAddict> from what directory?

15:03 <PovAddict> maybe you didn't edit the script's "cd" command correctly, so it ran from a different directory than it usually does, so it didn't pick up your existing data

15:03 <maelcum> PovAddict: from somewhere, it shouldn't matter ;)

15:04 <maelcum> i used krunner

15:04 <PovAddict> it shouldn't matter, if the 'cd' was correct

15:04 <PovAddict> ok, so is the manager running now?

15:04 <maelcum> it runs, but it doesn't display any projects.

15:05 <PovAddict> go to Messages

15:05 <PovAddict> look for a line starting with "Data directory:"

15:05 <PovAddict> should be around the first five or ten messages in the list

15:05 <maelcum> messages is 100% empty

15:06 <PovAddict> :|

15:06 <yoyo[RKN]> seems that BM has no connection to boinc

15:06 <PovAddict> then it's not running at all, I'd say...

15:06 <maelcum> there is just nothing at all, like i didn't have anything configured.

15:06 <maelcum> okay, that's a start

15:06 <PovAddict> if there are no messages, either the BOINC client is not running, or the manager can't connect to it for whatever reason

15:06 <PovAddict> doesn't the status bar say "Disconnected"?

15:07 <maelcum> ./run_client seems to work btw, the output mentions projects i'm in.

15:07 <PovAddict> what version is this?

15:07 <maelcum> the manager says "connecting to localhost"

15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> can you paste the content of run_manager?

15:08 <maelcum> version 6.6.36 according to the manager

15:08 <yoyo[RKN]> think it cd's to the wrong dir

15:08 <maelcum> there is no stdout from run_manager

15:08 <PovAddict> the script, not the output

15:08 <maelcum> cd "/home/horst/BOINC" && exec ./boincmgr $@

15:09 <maelcum> ls confirms that the directory is actually there.

15:09 <PovAddict> and has executables boincmgr and boinc?

15:09 <maelcum> yes

15:10 <PovAddict> and no others?

15:10 <maelcum> a bunch of xml files, the usual stuff i guess.

15:10 <maelcum> i repeat, ./run_client does seem to work.

15:10 <maelcum> hm.

15:10 <yoyo[RKN]> but boincmgr can't connect to boinc

15:10 <PovAddict> what if you run run_manager after starting the client by hand?

15:11 <maelcum> in fact, manually running the client, then run_manager also works.

15:11 <maelcum> so apparently the manager is unable to start the boinc client.

15:11 <PovAddict> 6.6.36 huh... let's see

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> wasn't there 6.6.40 released?

15:11 <PovAddict> 32-bit or 64-bit?

15:12 <maelcum> my computer is amd64, but doesn't boinc only have 32-bit executables anyway?

15:12 <maelcum> the operating system is also using the computer in 64bit mode

15:12 <PovAddict> there have been official 64-bit binaries since 5.9.11

15:13 <maelcum> oh

15:13 <maelcum> it won't hurt to use them anyway, and i can try again after that.

15:13 <PovAddict> if you use 64-bit BOINC, then it may download 64-bit project apps, which may be faster (depends on the project really)

15:13 <yoyo[RKN]> much more faster

15:14 <maelcum> dunno, the bigger pointer size often eats up the performance advantages. but in numerics there are probably often more plain numbers than pointers :)

15:14 <PovAddict> some projects use large integers, yes

15:15 <PovAddict> and if that's using an actual 64-bit register... *whoosh*

15:15 <maelcum> ah i see, if the program needs big integers anyway...

15:15 <PovAddict> 32-bit CPUs *can* do 64-bit integer calculations

15:16 <PovAddict> but fairly slower :)

15:16 <maelcum> i know. i've programmed in assembly for a while, long ago :)

15:16 <PovAddict> heh

15:16 <PovAddict> I know very little x86 asm

15:17 <maelcum> imho it's not as messy as people say it is ;)

15:17 <maelcum> clearly optimized for hand-writing code in the early days though, not for efficient code generation by compilers.

15:17 <PovAddict> wow... the manager looks horrible :)

15:17 <PovAddict> looks like it's using GTK1.0 or something

15:17 <maelcum> wxwidgets 1.7.8 or so

15:18 <maelcum> grrreat. the manager just can't start the client.

15:18 <PovAddict> that's what I'm trying to track down

15:18 <PovAddict> ah no, I know why it looks so ugly

15:19 <maelcum> PovAddict: oh, so you can reproduce the problem? (i'm using the 64bit version now btw)

15:19 <PovAddict> it's 32-bit, so it can't load my 64-bit theme libraries...

15:19 <PovAddict> anyway, yes I can reproduce the manager-cant-start-client problem

15:19 <maelcum> good

15:19 <maelcum> do you have the power to upload a fixed version when you've fixed it? :)

15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

15:20 <maelcum> i don't feel like compiling stuff right now...

15:20 <PovAddict> I use a fork of BOINC 6.2

15:21 <PovAddict> this crap doesn't seem to be even *trying* to start the client

15:21 <maelcum> hehe

15:21 <PovAddict> I ran it under ptrace

15:21 <PovAddict> never calls exec

15:21 <maelcum> not so suprising - determining if/when to start the client is probably harder than actually starting it.

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15:22 * PovAddict switches his working copy to 6.6.36 tag

15:22 * PovAddict is glad he has a full svnsync clone of BOINC repository

15:25 <efc> Moo

15:25 <PovAddict> moo efc

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15:30 <maelcum> in the meantime i can get it to work with a run_manager script that also starts and shuts down the client.

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16:09 <PovAddict> Intel-Facebook-PTP crap, and ATI support, are hype-worthy things that give positive advertising and PR

16:09 <PovAddict> but BOINC being unusable on Linux doesn't give negative PR

16:09 <PovAddict> so nobody cares

16:10 <KathrynM> that guy with the internet issue gave up

16:10 <KathrynM> then again, even if he had been on Win he still would have given up

16:10 <PovAddict> who?

16:10 <KathrynM> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=4189

16:11 <KathrynM> him

16:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/nz9p7y> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

16:11 * KathrynM can't sleep

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16:17 <CoderForLife> re-hi KM

16:18 <CoderForLife> just placed an order for a new grass trimmer/edger

16:18 <CoderForLife> ours went up in smoke today

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16:18 <CoderForLife> it wouldn't shut off, so we pulled the plug - then the magic smoke came out of the trigger

16:19 <efc> Sounds CFL has been to the EFC school of electronics maintenance

16:20 <efc> been playing with modem settings

16:21 <CoderForLife> it did have some pyrotechnical appeal

16:22 <PovAddict> maelcum: well the bug is found

16:23 <CoderForLife> \o/

16:23 <PovAddict> but I'm having trouble explaining the bug without insulting somebody

16:23 <CoderForLife> we all believe in ego-less Coding, don't we?  =)

16:23 <PovAddict> the amount of sarcasm in my current message might be too high

16:25 <CoderForLife> just keep the proper SNR

16:25 <PovAddict> signal-to-noise ratio? that seems good enough

16:25 <CoderForLife> yup

16:25 <PovAddict> sprintf(path, "%s/%s", wxGetApp().GetDataDirectory(), LOCK_FILE_NAME);

16:26 <CoderForLife> uh...

16:26 <PovAddict> then I show the code that sets the variable later returned by GetDataDirectory

16:27 <PovAddict> not all the code, just the code that is left after I remove Mac-only and Windows-only ifdef'd code

16:27 <PovAddict> void CBOINCGUIApp::DetectDataDirectory() {

16:27 <PovAddict> }

16:27 <PovAddict> I guess it stays as an empty string then

16:27 <CoderForLife> Get vs. Detect?

16:27 <wdsmia> that would be a problem

16:28 <PovAddict> Detect sets a variable (only on Windows and Mac), Get returns it

16:28 <PovAddict> anyway

16:28 <PovAddict> so it ends up looking at /lockfile

16:28 <CoderForLife> setters and getters

16:28 <PovAddict> in the root of the Linux filesystem

16:28 <CoderForLife> sure

16:28 <PovAddict> now, nobody runs the manager as root

16:29 <PovAddict> and non-root users can't write stuff to /

16:29 <PovAddict> so opening that file will fail

16:29 <PovAddict> if it fails, it must be obviously because the client is running and locking the file, right?

16:32 <CoderForLife> obviously

16:32 * CoderForLife can't type while taking his blood pressure

16:32 <PovAddict> and if the client is already running, it's not started [again]

16:33 <CoderForLife> got a new BP meter as the old ones were lying to me

16:33 <CoderForLife> I didn't let the smoke out of them, however

16:46 <maelcum> PovAddict: i know what you mean re insulting someone :P

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17:42 <Tank_Master> boinc 6.10.0 is out?

17:42 <Tank_Master> whered 6.7-6.9 go? :P

17:45 <wdsmia> tryed 6.10.0 removed it when I couldnt get any work

17:45 <Tank_Master> I got work from aqua and collatz with it

17:45 <Tank_Master> 6.6.38 hung for over a week while I was on vacatin

17:45 <wdsmia> no mw ati :(

17:45 <Tank_Master> pieves me off

17:46 <Tank_Master> ahh, they still dont have ATI support?

17:46 <Tank_Master> thats crap

17:50 <wdsmia> 66 out of 1,774,961 :)

17:52 <Tank_Master> ?

17:52 <wdsmia> BOINC World position based on credit (based on incremental update)

17:52 <Tank_Master> oh nice

17:52 <Tank_Master> my comp with the cuda card stalled on me while I was on vacation

17:53 <Tank_Master> it was down over a week :@

17:53 <Tank_Master> the CPU is also an i7

17:53 <wdsmia> cuda happends :P

17:53 <Tank_Master> heh

17:53 <Tank_Master> lol

17:54 <Tank_Master> lost probably 50k a day there...

17:54 <Tank_Master> to bad BOINC cant restart itself when it hangs

17:55 <wdsmia> well did you have a good time anyways?

17:56 <Tank_Master> yep

17:56 <Tank_Master> mostly anyway

17:56 <Tank_Master> rained the first few days

17:56 <Tank_Master> was up in glaser national park

17:56 <wdsmia> nice

18:01 <CoderForLife> heya Tank_Master

18:02 <CoderForLife> Glacier is wild and wonderful

18:02 <Tank_Master> heh, was rainy n cold :P

18:02 <CoderForLife> Going-To-The-Sun Road is a mind-blower

18:02 <Tank_Master> snowd up at the peaks some of the days I was there

18:03 <CoderForLife> sure

18:03 <Tank_Master> yes, it is, and they have a free shuttle service now

18:03 <Tank_Master> so you can take that to most of the stops

18:03 <Tank_Master> and not have to drive it yourself :P

18:03 <CoderForLife> we drove it - those bing campers coming the other way push you toward the thousand foot drop-offs

18:03 <CoderForLife> er big

18:04 <Tank_Master> we saw soemoen pulling a small motar boat that got pulled over

18:04 <Tank_Master> way past the 21' limit

18:04 <CoderForLife> truly incredible terrain - and the weather would change at every turn in the road

18:05 <CoderForLife> we went over it just after the pass opened in June

18:05 <CoderForLife> the parking lot at the peak had a 21 foot snow bank next to it

18:05 <CoderForLife> that was a great trip

18:06 <CoderForLife> 1989

18:08 <CoderForLife> Badlands, Rushmore, Devils Tower, Yellowstone, Glacier, Calgary, Banff, Jasper, Yoho, Hoh Rain Forest, Mt St Helens, Columbia River, Salt Lake City

18:08 <CoderForLife> we drove through West Des Moines very fast - nothing to see there

18:09 <wdsmia> :P

18:09 <CoderForLife> lol

18:10 <CoderForLife> 3 week camping trip - I guess we'll never do that again  *sigh*

18:11 <Tank_Master> you see dry falls or any of the other scablans area?

18:11 <Tank_Master> I live in portland, so the colombia gorge is a little over an hr drive from here :D

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19:26 <zombie67> finally got my 100k at chess

19:27 <zombie67> took almost 3 years.

19:28 <zombie67> Never thought the project would come back to life, to get there.

19:28 <zombie67> http://boincstats.com/stats/user_graph.php?pr=chess&id=5287

19:28 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/kv7zdq> (at boincstats.com)

19:28 <CoderForLife> Sorry Tank_Master - was away; no - I didn't know about the scablands back then

19:31 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/aaargh.png

19:31 <PovAddict> >_<

19:31 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/moyrx9> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

19:34 <zombie67> stupid 6.10.0

19:49 <Rookie_69> While sitting here listening to songs from '69 (Woodstock anniversary), I Hope that increasing the number of dock lines from it's usual five to fourteen keeps the boat at the dock. I also hope the dock anchors hold. (In chain we trust.)

19:57 <Rookie_69> No matter... I'll probably go sit on the boat tomorrow and go for a wild ride without leaving the dock.

20:08 <PovAddict> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/tetris-sprint.png AT LAST

20:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/mvydxg> (at stuff.povaddict.com.ar)

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20:31 <Rookie_69> NN.

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20:35 <CoderForLife> gn all

20:35 <wdsmia> NN Don

20:36 <CoderForLife> =)

20:56 <Tank_Master> gn CFL

21:03 <PovAddict> pizza ->

21:04 <Tank_Master> mine will be done in a few min :D

21:04 <Tank_Master> peperoni n olive

21:32 <PovAddict> <-

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