IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-08-24

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01:42 <jasong> Is Orson Wells alive?  Cause I want to tell him,"Big Brother is awesome."

01:42 <jasong> Then I'll be like,"Psyche, I meant the show."

01:44 <jasong> And, yes, I know "like" is poor grammar, but I would never put it in an official writing like a newspaper or an online paper

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04:37 <quail> &wx ypad

04:37 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1001hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 33mph / 54km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM CST; Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 F.;

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05:27 <quail> 'evening all, how is everyone?

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06:12 <CoderForLife> I'm off to w@#%

06:12 * CoderForLife waves

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06:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 60.0F / 15.6C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Sunny...breezy. High in the lower 80s. South wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance (1 more message)

06:27 <wdsmia> &more

06:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: of thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 80s. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 50 percent.;

06:27 <quail> hii! Doug

06:28 <wdsmia> mornin

06:28 * quail lost a very loyal companion today

06:31 * quail had to take his 13yo dog to the vets today and have her put down :-/

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06:37 <hawmps> 'lo

06:39 <wdsmia> moring Jay

06:39 <wdsmia> sorry to hear that quail

06:49 <quail> wdsmia: it was for the best, it hurt me seeing her in pain, and the was no point prolonging things and for her to crash all the time cause the drugs wearing off faster faster

06:50 <hawmps> sad, but true.

06:51 <quail> as they say, 'you got to be cruel, to be kind'

06:52 <quail> I just hope she in a better place, and having time of her life

06:54 <quail> best thing I did was be with her as she was put to sleep

06:58 <KathrynM> *sigh* stupid question

06:58 <KathrynM> how do I get a gpu grid wu to actually start instead of just sitting there "waiting to start"

06:58 <KathrynM> errr "ready to start"

07:04 <KathrynM> duh, I'm an idiot.  It'll probably only run when the computer isn't in use.

07:05 <hawmps> good luck if it runs.. 6.10 is fubar here.

07:05 <KathrynM> no 6.10 for Linux afaik

07:05 <hawmps> some strange infinite loop on start.

07:05 <KathrynM> nice

07:05 <hawmps> I built it.

07:06 <KathrynM> ah

07:06 <KathrynM> phun (as CoderForLife says)

07:06 <hawmps> I should strace it but not time at the moment

07:06 * KathrynM goes to watch some TV so she'll get away from the comp.

07:06 <KathrynM> laters

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08:12 <quail> laughs evilly

08:12 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:07 <zombie67> just ordered family pack of snow leopard for $45 (with corp discount).  MSFT needs to learn their products are WAY over priced.

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11:22 <PovAddict> heh

11:22 <PovAddict> zombie67: I once asked in IRC if anyone knew how much Windows 7 would cost

11:23 <PovAddict> they told me "it costs your freedom, you put the price to that"

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13:41 <yomshleeshee> anyone know of a good free IRC client for windows?

13:41 <zombie67> how does one start/stop services in xp again?

13:42 <quail> zombie67: install linux :-P

13:42 <yomshleeshee> might also answer my question :-/

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13:43 <quail> yomshleeshee: I here mirc is good

13:43 <quail> yomshleeshee: But I don't know, never used it

13:43 <yomshleeshee> yeah, I'm using it now. it's good but not free and if there's a free option I'd rather do that than crack it

13:44 <zombie67> pov:  "please say whether you

13:44 <zombie67> installed with protected execution mode enabled or disabled"

13:44 <yomshleeshee> free/open is my preference

13:44 <zombie67> how can I tell?

13:44 <quail> yomshleeshee: google irssi, iirc there a window port for it

13:44 <PovAddict> it's a checkbox in the installer

13:44 <yomshleeshee> ok, thanks

13:45 <zombie67> I didn't check or uncheck anything

13:45 <PovAddict> then it depends on whether you had it before!

13:45 <zombie67> how would I know?

13:45 <quail> registry

13:45 <zombie67> rebooting does not solve the problem

13:45 <PovAddict> does it show up in the list of Windows services?

13:46 <zombie67> nothing with boinc shows in services

13:46 <PovAddict> then it's not in protected execution mode+

13:46 <PovAddict> another way to tell: if it runs as a service (protected execution on), GPU crunching won't work :)

13:46 <zombie67> meaning....?

13:47 <zombie67> well, this is explicitly for GPU crunching

13:47 <PovAddict> a service running as another user cannot access the graphics card, so all CUDA tasks would crash :)

13:47 <PovAddict> that is why they made protected execution disabled by default since 6.4

13:47 <PovAddict> what version of BOINC did you upgrade from?

13:47 <zombie67> so now what?

13:47 <zombie67> 6.6.36

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13:48 <PovAddict> ok, I'll try myself on my guinea pig VM

13:48 <PovAddict> 6.6.38 installing

13:49 <zombie67> where did you get 6.6.38?

13:49 <PovAddict> /dl/

13:49 <zombie67> that's cheating

13:49 <PovAddict> :)

13:49 <zombie67> how do I start the client in windows?

13:49 <zombie67> normally, I just start the manager, which starts the client

13:50 <wdsmia_w> Ding Ding Ding! 60M :)

13:50 <PovAddict> why the hell is it making me reboot?

13:51 <PovAddict> reboot is absolutely required with protected mode enabled

13:51 <PovAddict> I'm installing with it disabled

13:51 <zombie67> i never am required to reboot

13:51 <PovAddict> maybe only the first time

13:53 <zombie67> nice, wdsmia_w!

13:54 <quail> wdsmia_w: gratz

13:54 <wdsmia_w> 706K best day ever

13:55 <Tank_Master> showoff

13:55 <PovAddict> installed 6.10, connected to client successfully...

13:56 <Tank_Master> I have 6.10.0 on my win7x64 i7 with cuda and its running aqua (CPU) and collatz (GPU) and freehall just fine

13:57 <FreeLarry> Tank_Master have you noticed that aqua wu's taking longer now as opposed to 2 weeks ago

13:57 <Tank_Master> they are a higher range

13:57 <Tank_Master> so yes, they will take longer as you are doing more owrk

13:57 <FreeLarry> ahh was wondering

13:57 <Tank_Master> but youll get high credts it

13:57 <Tank_Master> to*

13:57 <PovAddict> zombie67: couldn't reproduce

13:57 <FreeLarry> definitely

13:58 <PovAddict> zombie67: maybe your client is crashing on startup

13:58 <FreeLarry> &wx 98366

13:58 <Tank_Master> 2 weeks ago I think they were 160 WUs, now they are 200s

13:58 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Error: Connection refused.

13:58 <PovAddict> and the reason involves what projects you're attached to, what work you have, etc

13:58 <Tank_Master> 240s should come out in a week or 2

13:58 <PovAddict> I have no projects here...

13:58 <zombie67> I can reproduce 100% of the time, on two different machines

13:58 <Tank_Master> I upgraded from 6.6.38 x64 to 6.10.0 x64 w/o a hitch on the one comp I tried

13:59 <zombie67> so now what?

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13:59 * FreeLarry by the way doug - congrats on 60 M

14:00 <wdsmia_w> ty

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14:00 * Tank_Master steals wdsmia_w's ATI cards

14:01 * CoderForLife notes the reduced drag on the electrical grid in the central U.S.

14:02 <Tank_Master> hehe

14:02 <CoderForLife> I expect the meter reader will replace your meter, wdsmia_w, suspectng that it is broken

14:03 <CoderForLife> he'll also be looking for home-brew bypasses behind the meter

14:03 <wdsmia_w> lol

14:04 <CoderForLife> you'll probably be arrested just on principle

14:04 <FreeLarry> can he help it if power company installed a 440V meter instead of typical 220 v

14:04 <PovAddict> lol CFL

14:07 <Tank_Master> bah

14:07 <Tank_Master> freehal is down

14:07 <Tank_Master> again

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15:26 * PovAddict does the unthinkable and installs CUDA

15:27 <yomshleeshee> o_O

15:29 <PovAddict> oh great, i have to quit X before installing

15:30 <PovAddict> bbl

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16:30 <MTughan> zombie67: You highlighted me a couple days ago, but I was out camping... Anything you need from me now?

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16:32 <yomshleeshee> so, it's been a while and I can't find it. where do you set the Resource Share for a project?

16:32 <yomshleeshee> I've been looking all over for it.

16:34 <MTughan> In project settings. One sec.

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> you set it on the project page

16:34 <yomshleeshee> yeah, I looked there. probably right in front of my face :-/

16:34 <MTughan> Eg, for SETI@home:

16:34 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:34 <yomshleeshee> ah, ok

16:34 <yomshleeshee> i was looking in computer preferences

16:34 <yomshleeshee> thanks

16:34 <MTughan> The link was "SETI@home preferences"

16:35 <yomshleeshee> I guess once I was convinced it was in computer preferences, I stopped noticing anothing else on that page :-/

16:35 <yomshleeshee> hate when that happens...

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16:41 <yomshleeshee> time to go home. thanks for the help.

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16:46 <MTughan> Nice... MW WUs are up to 2.5 minutes on the GPU.

16:46 <zombie67> MT:  can't remember

16:53 <Tank_Master>

16:53 <Romulus> <> (at

17:16 <CoderForLife> home again

17:16 <CoderForLife> din-din -- bbiab

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17:20 <PovAddict> X still f'ed

17:21 <PovAddict> I shouldn't have tried to install CUDA

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17:24 <CoderForLife> I guess f'ed doesn mean "fixed"...

17:24 <CoderForLife> dinner...

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17:47 <Tank_Master> can mw work with 2 GPUs in the same comp?

17:57 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Well, I've never seen anyone actually confirm it, but I think it does run on both GPUs of a HD4870X2.

17:57 <Tank_Master> ahh good

17:58 <Tank_Master> cus I can get a 4950 for $94 with free shipping

17:58 <wdsmia> works well

17:58 <Tank_Master> was thinking of getting 2

17:58 <MTughan> 4950? New card?

17:58 <Tank_Master> yeah

17:58 <Tank_Master> newegg

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17:58 <Tank_Master> hey Nickuwo

17:58 <Nickuwo> heya tank

17:58 <MTughan> I'll have to look around for it. When was it released?

17:58 <MTughan> 'lo Nick

17:59 <Tank_Master> a while ago

17:59 <Nickuwo> hey MT

17:59 <MTughan> xcamel: Rom uploading the debugging symbols for 6.10.x.

18:00 <MTughan> Or hawmps.

18:00 <Tank_Master> maybe im thinking of the 4850

18:00 <Tank_Master> yeah, I was, my bad :P

18:00 <Tank_Master>

18:00 <Romulus> <> (at

18:01 <MTughan> Okay, yeah. The 4850 was one of the first cards in the HD4xxx series ATI release.

18:01 <MTughan> +d

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18:02 <MTughan> Then I knew of the 4970, but I was wondering if I missed the announcement of a 4950. :P

18:02 <MTughan> Yeah, I think the 4850's will get you at least 50K/day on their own. Not sure of numbers on those.

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18:10 <Nickuwo> 60 bucks to clean a carpet. bullshit

18:10 <wdsmia> asks Nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:11 <yomshleeshee> lol

18:11 * Tank_Master smacks wdsmia with a red Swingline stapler

18:11 <wdsmia> &insult Tank_Master

18:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master - You are nothing but a humid mass of antique snake.

18:11 <Tank_Master> lol

18:11 <yomshleeshee> :-o

18:11 * Tank_Master slaps yomshleeshee around with Windows Me

18:11 <yomshleeshee> can't we all just get along?

18:12 <Nickuwo> humid mass! thats gold rommie

18:12 * Tank_Master sneezes in Romulus's face

18:12 * yomshleeshee runs and cries

18:12 <yomshleeshee> Windows Me. that's just harsh

18:12 <zombie67> pov?

18:12 <Romulus> pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67

18:12 <Tank_Master> forget pov

18:12 <Romulus> I hear ya.

18:12 <zombie67> I've uploaded the symbols for 6.8 and 6.10.

18:12 <zombie67> ----- Rom

18:12 <Nickuwo> forget yourself

18:13 <Tank_Master> lol

18:13 <Nickuwo> I was hoping he'd crash :)

18:13 <MTughan> zombie67: Having X problems.

18:13 <zombie67> MT:  who is?

18:13 <MTughan> zombie67: Pov.

18:13 <zombie67> ah

18:13 <yomshleeshee> said he was installing CUDA

18:14 <wdsmia> lol

18:14 <MTughan> <PovAddict> X still f'ed

18:14 <MTughan> <PovAddict> I shouldn't have tried to install CUDA

18:14 <Tank_Master> f'ed as in fixed, right?

18:14 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large Carp

18:15 <MTughan> He wishes.

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18:21 <wdsmia_> Damn ISP

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18:21 <Tank_Master> lol

18:22 <Tank_Master> sure, blame the ISP

18:22 <wdsmia> tech should be here soon

18:22 <wdsmia> 4 to 7 time frame

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18:23 <MTughan> 6:20PM now?

18:23 <wdsmia> Received Signal Strength: -1.3 dBmV at modem thats a problem

18:25 <wdsmia> 5:25PM

18:25 <Tank_Master> 3:25pm

18:26 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a timezone

18:26 <MTughan> So one hour behind me then...

18:26 <MTughan> &insult Tank_Master

18:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master - You are nothing but a fawning mound of motley-mind sores.

18:26 <MTughan> Just because. :)

18:26 * Tank_Master slaps MTughan with Ozzy Osbourne

18:26 <MTughan> Ow, the tongue...

18:26 <MTughan> Wait, that's Gene Simmons...

18:26 <MTughan> Nvm.

18:26 <Tank_Master> lol

18:28 <yomshleeshee> &insult yomshleeshee

18:28 <Romulus> yomshleeshee - You are nothing but a fermented thimbleful of infected toenails.

18:28 <MTughan> IIRC, he won't insult himself...

18:28 <MTughan> &insult Romulus

18:28 <Romulus> Romulus - You are nothing but a ruttish heap of toad-spotted poop.

18:28 <Tank_Master> &insult Romulus

18:28 <Romulus> Romulus - You are nothing but a churlish heap of toad-spotted ooze.

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18:28 <MTughan> Must be a different plugin. :P

18:29 <Tank_Master> &insult MTughan

18:29 <Romulus> MTughan - You are nothing but a toad-spotted mound of loggerheaded pods.

18:29 * yomshleeshee is selfloathing

18:29 <MTughan> &help insult

18:29 <Romulus> MTughan: (insult [<target>]) -- Reply optionally directed at a random string, person, object, etc.

18:29 <MTughan> &list

18:29 <Romulus> MTughan: Admin, Alias, Amazon, Anonymous, AutoMode, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Currency, CyborgName, Darcs, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Google, Herald, Infobot, Insult, Internet, Karma, Lart, Lookup, Math, Memo, Misc, News, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Peak, Plugin, Postman, Praise, Protector, Quote, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Relay, (1 more message)

18:29 <MTughan> &more

18:29 <Romulus> MTughan: Reply, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, Stock, String, Success, Supybot, Tail, Time, URL, Unix, UrbanDict, User, Utilities, Weather, Web, WordStats, and Zipinfo

18:30 <MTughan> No slap plugin.

18:30 <Nickuwo> &help BadWords

18:30 <Romulus> Nickuwo: Error: There is no command "badwords".

18:30 <Nickuwo> ...

18:30 <MTughan> &list badwords'

18:30 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: "badwords'" is not a valid plugin.

18:30 <MTughan> &list badwords

18:30 <Romulus> MTughan: add, list, and remove

18:30 <MTughan> &badwords list

18:30 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

18:31 <Nickuwo> &Make me a sandwich bitch

18:31 <Romulus> Nickuwo: Are you daft?

18:31 <yomshleeshee> lol

18:31 <yomshleeshee> good one

18:31 <yomshleeshee>

18:31 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Sandwich (at

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18:32 <Tank_Master> &insult PovAddict

18:32 <Romulus> PovAddict - You are nothing but a knotty-pated accumulation of reeky pond.

18:32 <MTughan> He's back on IPv6... I'd say X is fixed.

18:33 * PovAddict kicks the hell out of Tank_Master

18:33 <PovAddict> I'm using vesa driver

18:33 <MTughan> Ah.

18:33 <Tank_Master> lol

18:43 <CoderForLife> back

18:43 <CoderForLife> data center power has tripped off due to a GFI outlet for the last time

18:43 <CoderForLife> I removed the GFI from the circuit

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18:45 <Tank_Master> nice

18:45 <CoderForLife> just had the lesson with Stephen about how to identify which outlet screws to attach which wires

18:45 <CoderForLife> "does the hot wire go on the silver screws or on the brass screws?", I asked

18:46 <CoderForLife> the answer...

18:46 <CoderForLife> brass

18:46 <Tank_Master> :)

18:46 <CoderForLife> "If it's brass, it's your ass"

18:46 <CoderForLife> simple, effective

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18:46 <MTughan> Doesn't the negative go on brass?

18:46 <MTughan> And ground on green.

18:47 <CoderForLife> neutral on silver

18:47 <Tank_Master> does it really matter?

18:47 <CoderForLife> only if you want to avoid future death

18:47 <MTughan> For the first socket, yes. In your cables, no, as long as you're consistent.

18:48 <CoderForLife> well - that little GFI outlet will never threaten us again

18:48 <CoderForLife> the former owner had a darkroom there - it made sense

18:49 <CoderForLife> brb - ossec is upset with some permissions I gave some files earlier

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18:52 <CoderForLife> geez - always some kind of electromechanical thing barking at me

18:53 <Tank_Master> hehe

18:53 <Tank_Master> nice technical jargon

18:53 <CoderForLife> that just makes me "old"

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18:58 <KathrynM> just lost the gpugrid wu I was working on all night

18:58 <KathrynM> :/

18:58 * KathrynM is an idiot

18:58 <KathrynM> oh well

18:59 <Tank_Master> KM!

18:59 <Tank_Master> sup?

18:59 <KathrynM> not much

19:00 <CoderForLife> morning KM

19:02 <KathrynM> morning

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19:03 <MTughan> wdsmia_: Stupid ISP?

19:04 <CoderForLife> don't repeat yourself

19:06 <zombie67> pov, now that the symbols have been loaded, what does my error file mean?

19:06 <MTughan> zombie67: The symbols will allow you to get function names for each entry in a gdb backtrace (on Linux or OS X) or a VC++ stacktrace (on Windows).

19:06 <PovAddict> make it crash again

19:07 <zombie67> ugh.

19:07 <PovAddict> after crashing it may download the symbol files automatically

19:07 <zombie67> okay

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19:18 <zombie67> pov, what was the argument again?

19:19 <zombie67> 2> filename?

19:20 <PovAddict> yes

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19:24 <zombie67> sent

19:27 <zombie67> anything useful this time?

19:28 <MTughan> Sent an email to boinc_alpha?

19:28 <PovAddict> seems as useless as last time

19:28 <PovAddict> ModLoad: 40000000 000f4000 C:\Program Files\BOINC\boinc.exe ( (-nosymbols- Symbols Loaded)

19:28 <PovAddict> should say (PDB Symbols Loaded) if it works

19:29 <zombie67> anything I should be doing differently?

19:31 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news August 24, 2009

19:33 <zombie67> okay then

19:33 <zombie67> I will downgrade back to 6.6.36

19:33 <PovAddict> run it again, see if that line changes

19:33 <PovAddict> maybe on first crash it downloaded the symbols in the background,

19:35 <zombie67> same

19:36 <PovAddict> got command prompt in the data directory?

19:37 <zombie67> yes

19:37 <PovAddict> type: mkdir symbols

19:37 <PovAddict> then download this file into the new 'symbols' directory:

19:37 <Romulus> <> (at

19:37 <zombie67> already exists

19:37 <PovAddict> oh

19:37 <PovAddict> anything in it?

19:38 <zombie67> yep

19:38 <zombie67> many pdb files

19:39 <zombie67> is there one in particular I should be looking for?

19:39 <PovAddict> not sure

19:39 <PovAddict> any called boinc or boinc_exe or something like that?

19:39 <zombie67> only boinc_dll.pdb

19:40 <PovAddict> and what are the rest about?

19:40 <PovAddict> maybe project science apps...

19:40 <zombie67> there are about 50 of them

19:41 <PovAddict> name one or two

19:41 <zombie67> advapi32.pdb

19:41 <zombie67> apphelp.pdb

19:41 <zombie67> comct132.pdb

19:42 <zombie67> dbghelp.pdb

19:42 <PovAddict> ok, go ahead and download the file I linked above

19:42 <PovAddict> into that directory

19:43 <zombie67> done

19:44 <zombie67> should it end with "pd_"?

19:45 <PovAddict> you should run 'expand' on it to uncompress it into the 'pdb' but I'm looking up the syntax

19:45 <PovAddict> maybe just "expand boinc_exe.pd_" is enough

19:46 <zombie67> man expand doesn't work.  ;)

19:46 <PovAddict> that's winders for ya

19:46 <zombie67> want me to just try expand boinc_exe.pd_?

19:46 <PovAddict> yes

19:47 <zombie67> no destination specified for file

19:47 <PovAddict> bah

19:48 <zombie67> maybe "expand filename ."?

19:48 <PovAddict> expand boinc_exe.pd_ boinc_exe.pdb

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19:49 <zombie67> error in compressed input file format

19:49 <PovAddict> wth

19:50 <PovAddict> worked for me

19:50 <PovAddict> Expanding boinc_exe.pd_ to boinc_exe.pdb.

19:50 <PovAddict> boinc_exe.pd_: 387880 bytes expanded to 1543168 bytes, 297% increase.

19:51 <PovAddict> ugh let's just be done with it

19:51 <PovAddict>

19:51 <Romulus> <> (at

19:51 <zombie67> I can download a directory?

19:52 <zombie67> app the other pdb items in that folder are directories

19:52 <zombie67> all the other

19:52 <PovAddict> really..?

19:52 <PovAddict> what's in them?

19:53 <zombie67> a ~30 digit file name

19:53 <PovAddict> file, or yet another directory?

19:53 <zombie67> random digits and numbers

19:54 <PovAddict> is the randomly-named thing a file or a directory?

19:54 <zombie67> dir

19:54 <PovAddict> and inside there is a actual .pdb?

19:54 <zombie67> yeah

19:54 <PovAddict> then I think this should work

19:55 <PovAddict> in the symbols directory

19:55 <PovAddict> mkdir boinc_exe.pdb

19:55 <PovAddict> mkdir boinc_exe.pdb\EBE69682E3ED4D959214B77DC0A48F811

19:55 <PovAddict> then put the pd_ you downloaded in there

19:55 <zombie67> shit

19:55 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:56 <zombie67> lemme c/p this into an email

19:56 <zombie67> no way I can type all that

19:56 <PovAddict> that long number is in the URL of the file you downloaded :P

19:56 <PovAddict>

19:56 <Romulus> <> (at

19:58 <zombie67> your bandwidth sucks

19:59 <zombie67> ;)

19:59 <PovAddict> at this point I think the compressed pd_ will work too

19:59 <PovAddict> but whatever :)

19:59 <zombie67> run it again from the data dir?

19:59 <PovAddict> run what?

20:00 <PovAddict> boinc? yes

20:01 <zombie67> still -nosymbols-

20:03 <zombie67> now what?

20:03 <Romulus> hmm... now what is I doing before having to go for biology, zombie67

20:04 <zombie67> is there an equiv to "!!" with windows command prompt?

20:05 <PovAddict> what does !! do?

20:05 <zombie67> repeats the same command

20:05 <PovAddict> press up arrow and enter

20:05 <PovAddict> :P

20:05 <zombie67> ah!

20:06 <zombie67> What about !$?

20:06 <MTughan> Linux has command history too.

20:06 <zombie67> sure

20:06 <zombie67> !number

20:07 <MTughan> No, just use the up arrow.

20:07 <MTughan> Well, up and down.

20:07 <zombie67> i have a shortcut "h" for history, I use it so much

20:07 <PovAddict> !number ?

20:07 <PovAddict> press F9

20:08 <zombie67> do history

20:08 <MTughan> -bash: !1: event not found

20:08 <zombie67> if you want to repeat it, just !(and the number)

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20:08 <zombie67> repeat one of the items, that is

20:08 <PovAddict> F7 is useful too

20:09 <zombie67> no macs, the F keys are not unix commands

20:09 <zombie67> on macs...

20:09 <PovAddict> Windows is weird though

20:09 <zombie67> are we giving up?

20:10 <zombie67> what do we tell the list?

20:10 <PovAddict> "we can't manage to get a stacktrace with symbols... HELP"

20:11 <zombie67> do you want to tell them?  If I do, I won't be able to answer any of the inevitable follow-up questions

20:13 * Tank_Master notes zombie67 is have loads of fun with 6.10

20:13 <MTughan> Google calculator fail... From #defocus.

20:13 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:32 <PovAddict> etckeeper looks awesome

20:32 <PovAddict> keeps the contents of your /etc in a mercurial or git repository

20:40 <CoderForLife> hmm

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20:42 <PovAddict> works best if used right after installing the OS, though...

20:43 <Tank_Master> :)

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20:55 <zombie67> TM, finally got my 100k @ chess

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20:59 <Tank_Master> so you said on the team channle...

20:59 <Tank_Master> :)

21:08 <CoderForLife> gn all

21:11 <zombie67> said it here first, then found you there

21:12 <Tank_Master> gn CoderForLife

21:40 <PovAddict> zombie67: ping

21:41 <zombie67> sup?

21:42 <PovAddict> remind me... you put the .pdb downloaded from

21:42 <zombie67> your site

21:42 <zombie67> slloooowww d/l

21:42 <PovAddict> remind me... you put the .pdb downloaded from *my* server into the boinc_exe.pdb\EBE69682E3ED4D959214B77DC0A48F811 directory, and not the .pd_?

21:43 <zombie67> [16:55] PovAddictmkdir boinc_exe.pdb

21:43 <zombie67> [16:55] PovAddictmkdir boinc_exe.pdb\EBE69682E3ED4D959214B77DC0A48F811

21:43 <zombie67> [16:55] PovAddictthen put the pd_ you downloaded in there

21:43 <PovAddict> ok

21:43 <PovAddict> then let's try again with the pdb from my site instead

21:44 <zombie67> okay, give me a sec

21:48 <zombie67> ready

21:49 <zombie67> pov?

21:49 <PovAddict> yes?

21:49 <PovAddict> what did you do?

21:49 <zombie67> just re-installed 6.10

21:50 <PovAddict> ah

21:50 <zombie67> so, what now?

21:50 <PovAddict> see if you still have a 'symbols' directory

21:50 <PovAddict> with boinc_exe.pdb/

21:51 <zombie67> yep, its all stil there

21:51 <PovAddict> and inside there is EBE69682E3ED4D959214B77DC0A48F811

21:51 <PovAddict> ?

21:51 <zombie67> yep

21:52 <PovAddict> and inside that?

21:52 <zombie67> boinc_exe.pdb

21:52 <zombie67> no change

21:53 <PovAddict> hm

21:53 <PovAddict> symbols\boinc_exe.pdb\EBE69682E3ED4D959214B77DC0A48F811\boinc_exe.pdb?

21:53 <MTughan> Assuming the hex string is spelled right.

21:54 <Tank_Master> minor thing that hex string

21:54 <PovAddict> MTughan:

21:54 <Romulus> <> (at

21:54 <PovAddict> text file

21:55 <MTughan> PovAddict: I don't doubt you have it right. But does zombie67 have it right client-side?

21:55 <PovAddict> hmm

21:55 <zombie67> I did copy/paste

21:55 <zombie67> give me a sec

21:56 <PovAddict> zombie67: if you look in symbols\boinc_dll.pdb\, is the directory inside it called A0CFBB3C53EE4BC98E4C9B9A6097A2DC1?

21:56 <PovAddict> just check a few digits, not the whole thing char-by-char

21:58 <PovAddict> ding! found the problem

21:58 <PovAddict> you're in 64-bit?

21:59 <zombie67> check your inbox

21:59 <zombie67> yes

21:59 <PovAddict> we're using the wrong file then

22:00 <zombie67> okay then

22:02 <PovAddict> I replied by email so you can just copypaste

22:04 <PovAddict> into the new dir (path emailed), download

22:04 <Romulus> <> (at

22:04 <PovAddict> (same URL but new file)

22:04 <zombie67> shoudl I delete the other folder?

22:07 <PovAddict> shouldn't make any harm to leave it

22:07 <PovAddict> but it's 32-bit so you won't need it :)

22:08 <zombie67> still nosymbols

22:08 <PovAddict> gaaah

22:09 <PovAddict> symbols\boinc_exe.pdb\3ED9F4DB4E824F27A9C7E9ACE82AADF31\boinc_exe.pdb?

22:11 <zombie67> yep

22:13 <PovAddict> mailed Rom

22:13 <zombie67>

22:14 <zombie67> I need a better screen/window capture app for OSX

22:14 <zombie67> one that will allow me to save in something besides tiff

22:14 <zombie67> the default (Grab) is just TIFF

22:14 <MTughan> You can configure OS X to use other things. I've configured mine to PNG.

22:15 <MTughan> Probably used Onyx to change it.

22:16 <PovAddict> $ defaults write type png

22:16 <zombie67> you can change Grab??

22:16 <MTughan> Yeah.

22:17 <PovAddict> also

22:17 <Romulus> Title: screencapture - Mac Guides (at

22:17 <MTughan> Supports BMP, GIF, JPEG, JPEG 2000, PDF, PICT, PNG, SGI, TGA, and TIFF.

22:18 <zombie67> I will not be able to remember terminal commands

22:18 <PovAddict> zombie67: try simply putting the .pdb file in the same directory as boinc.exe

22:18 <PovAddict> (= in program files)

22:19 <zombie67> same

22:20 <PovAddict> was there any .pdb in program files\BOINC already?

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22:24 <PovAddict> bye then

22:24 <Tank_Master> lol

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22:26 <zombie67> stupid onyx

22:27 <zombie67> quit everything when installing

22:27 <PovAddict> was there any .pdb in program files\BOINC already?

22:29 <zombie67> nope

22:30 <zombie67> MT?

22:30 <Romulus> Rumor has it MT is right, zombie67

22:30 <MTughan> Yes?

22:30 <zombie67> where in onyx?

22:30 <MTughan> Parameters.

22:30 <PovAddict> I told you another way

22:30 <zombie67> already says png

22:31 <PovAddict> oh

22:31 <PovAddict> did you run my 'defaults write' command?

22:31 <zombie67> But Grab still uses TIFF

22:31 <zombie67> no

22:31 <MTughan> Hmm... Maybe that only affects the Cmd+Shift+(3|4) commands.

22:31 <zombie67> probably

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22:32 <zombie67> I need an app like Grab that will save in png and/or jpg

22:32 <MTughan> Cmd+Shift+3 will take a screenshot of the entire screen and put a file on your desktop. Cmd+Shift+4 will allow you to select a rectangle. If you hit space after that, you'll be able to select a window.

22:33 <MTughan> Cmd+Shift+4, Space is how I take most of my screenshots.

22:33 <zombie67> I use that so infrequently, I will never remember it

22:33 <zombie67> I need an app

22:35 <PovAddict> zombie67: C:\Program files\BOINC\boinc_exe.pdb?

22:35 <MTughan> Ah... The default for the shortcuts on Tiger or later is PNG, but Grab uses something different.

22:35 <zombie67> pov, what is the Q?

22:35 <zombie67> Yes, that is where I put it

22:36 <PovAddict> and still no go?

22:36 <zombie67> no, there are no other pdbs

22:36 <zombie67> and still no go

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23:23 <zombie67> okay, I am going to go back to 6.6.36

23:24 <PovAddict> yeah..

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