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01:13 <FreeLarry58> humm think i'll just leave the ac off tomorrow
01:19 <Tank_Master> open a window for the night
01:20 <PovAddict> I heard of someone who, during winter, left the window open because his computer was overheating
01:20 <PovAddict> and it helped cool
01:20 <Tank_Master> been there, done that
01:20 <PovAddict> then he went away, and came back to find the computer covered in snow
01:20 <jasong> lol
01:20 <Tank_Master> had a P4 that overheated on my just by loading windows and not running anything
01:21 <Tank_Master> was a bad chip
01:23 <FreeLarry58> bad chip or bad heatsink compound
01:24 <Tank_Master> artic silver 3
01:24 <FreeLarry58> had one where the heat sink didn't sit tight
01:24 <Tank_Master> with the typhoon heatsink
01:24 <Tank_Master> naw, the chip was throtteling at 30c
01:25 <FreeLarry58> forth attempt got it to sit tight then it ran for 2 years before mb died
01:25 <FreeLarry58> agg
01:25 <Tank_Master> but it was free, an engenering sample
01:25 <FreeLarry58> sounds more like bad sensor or bios setting
01:25 <Tank_Master> bad batch
01:25 <FreeLarry58> ahh a enganeer prototype
01:26 <Tank_Master> apparently someone though it would be alright to retag chips slated for 2.8 GHz at 3.6
01:26 <Tank_Master> yes, they were
01:26 <FreeLarry58> urgg - remember some company pushing that to claim higher clocks then chips built for
01:27 <FreeLarry58> pay less for slower chips then run them higher and charge for more expensive chips
01:29 <FreeLarry58> simap going well
01:29 <Tank_Master> cool
01:29 <Tank_Master> my second 23" monitor will be here tomorrow, as well as the new camera
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01:30 <FreeLarry58> those are nice - wife likes her 26" monitor
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01:30 <Tank_Master> acer just came out with a 27" that does 1048x1152 for about $450
01:30 <Tank_Master> 2048*
01:31 <Tank_Master> &cad
01:31 <FreeLarry58> ahh that looks better
01:33 <Tank_Master> ?
01:33 <FreeLarry58> first batch of numbers would have some odd looking screens
01:34 <Tank_Master> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20090615
01:35 <FreeLarry58> to close to home that one
01:35 <Tank_Master> lol
01:41 <Tank_Master> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20090629
01:45 <efc> moo
01:58 <Tank_Master> hey
02:10 <PovAddict> "how many pills can you take in a day before you're considered really old?"
02:11 <zombie67> depends.
02:12 <zombie67> for a wrestler, 80-90
02:13 <zombie67> I wonder why the only machines that almeregreid works on my machines are the HT boxes.
02:13 <zombie67> DD@home is open for new accounts
02:14 <PovAddict> drugdiscovery?
02:14 <Romulus> drugdiscovery is a mess, jack keeps jumping into new technologies (GPU, PS3) without making the basics !@#& first, PovAddict
02:14 <zombie67> hehe
02:14 <PovAddict> ^ what he said
02:17 <zombie67> I still cant tell what the point of DD is
02:17 <zombie67> what exactly are we cruching?
02:18 <PovAddict> isn't that part of "the basics"?
02:18 <PovAddict> letting users know wtf is being crunched?
02:18 <PovAddict> sometimes it felt like Jack was *playing* with molecular programs, not doing useful things with them
02:19 <zombie67> it is like he trying to learn HOW to do things...but have things been learded yet? are we putting to use that knowledge yet?
02:20 <zombie67> I can't tell
02:20 <PovAddict> even while helping with development, it looked like he was using a dozen tools, some interconnected, but I could never tell what each tool was for
02:21 <zombie67> And is H still active? learning anything? crunching anything?
02:23 <PovAddict> this is the kind of situation that DA is supposed to notice before putting a project in the official list
02:25 <zombie67> you dare suggest DA is imperfect?!
02:26 <PovAddict> DA did *not* add the project to the list
02:26 <zombie67> I think Jack has a small circle of BOINCers that he is thinking/discussing/testing with
02:27 <zombie67> and he doesn't realize the rest of us users are not in the loop
02:27 <zombie67> ah
02:27 <PovAddict> but if he was going to, this is the kind of thing I'd hope he checks
02:27 <PovAddict> along with competence in admin'ing a BOINC server
02:28 <PovAddict> the "legitimate research" stuff... which you said "how would one 'measure' that?"
02:28 <PovAddict> well, how much does Jack actually know about molecular simulation and drug development?
02:28 <zombie67> oh, and "how does email work?"
02:29 <zombie67> seriously though, syn that works with aqua...when?
02:30 <PovAddict> I'm not "in charge" of it
02:30 <zombie67> 6.10.1 64b
02:30 <zombie67> "b"???
02:30 <PovAddict> bit?
02:31 <zombie67> oh
02:31 <zombie67> sorry
02:31 <zombie67> I read that as 188.8.131.52b
02:31 <zombie67> NM
02:32 <zombie67> .1 doesn't fix it anyway
02:33 <zombie67> ah, the jack<> drug connection is here:
02:33 <Romulus> Title: Home | Mothership@Home (at www.mothershipathome.org)
02:34 <Romulus> Title: TheMotherShip - TheMotherShip (at www.unitedboinc.com)
02:35 <zombie67> crap
02:35 <zombie67> look at the Acknowledgements section of the first link
02:36 <PovAddict> yeah
02:36 <zombie67> Jack, John37309 (!), and DA
02:36 <PovAddict> exactly, so does it sound serious? :)
02:37 <zombie67> it LOOKS serious
02:37 <PovAddict> I'm not saying Jack is an idiot, or that he doesn't really know about biological research
02:37 <zombie67> same here
02:37 <PovAddict> I'm just saying I don't have proof of the opposite :D
02:37 <FreeLarry58> humm not so sure as mostly blank on content - glossery still has no explainations for terms
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02:37 <FreeLarry58> but looks like page design going well
02:38 <PovAddict> does this look serious? www.icegold.us
02:40 <zombie67> ick
02:40 <Romulus> Title: IceGold - first e-currency exchange in Europe (at www.icegold.com)
02:41 <FreeLarry58> something just seems wrong about it to me
02:42 <PovAddict> the .com says it plain and clear
02:42 <FreeLarry58> especially about company starting out in estonia - wasn't a lot of hacking and scams out of there a while back?
02:43 <PovAddict> company started in estonia
02:43 <PovAddict> estonia govt passed new laws and they had to close
02:43 <FreeLarry58> now starting up again in panama?
02:43 <PovAddict> now some scammer made a clone of the website in icegold.us claiming the company is back
02:44 <FreeLarry58> ahh looking for personel info ie phishing
02:44 <PovAddict> or just looking for you to send them their money for exchange
02:44 <FreeLarry58> my pocket to thiers?
02:45 <FreeLarry58> never heard of perfect money
02:46 <FreeLarry58> oh speaking of money that site did refund the two charges to my account - was greatly surprised to see it on my cc statement
02:47 * PovAddict is relatively happy to have no bank account...
02:47 <FreeLarry58> need two bank accounts anymore one for your own - and one to use for purchasing
02:48 <FreeLarry58> and keep very little in purchasing acct if you know whats good for you
02:48 <PovAddict> yeah...
02:48 <PovAddict> well, for online payments, PayPal makes that relatively easy
02:49 <PovAddict> PayPal knows your card number and acts as middleman, website never gets your card number
02:49 <FreeLarry58> don't know about it as leary when i use it - seems i still get phishing email for paypal
02:50 <FreeLarry58> 3 emails arrived on same day and each had a different reply to addy after the @ sign
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02:52 <FreeLarry58> anyway my paypal acct been inactive so long ago shouldn't exist any more - the card i used was canceled out long ago and 3 more cc started and closed since then
03:01 <efc> One time Paypal pulled up a CC # I had never given them.. turned out to be my mom's
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03:46 <efc> "China Admits Use of Death-Row Organs"
03:46 <efc> tagged: "reducereuserecycle"
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04:45 <efc> moo cfl
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06:40 <hawmps> 'lo
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09:51 <quail> 'evening all, how is everyone?
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09:56 <hoonteke> from the *nix command line, how do I tell an instance not to get any new tasks? like the "No new tasks" button in the GUI?
10:00 <Romulus> Title: Phil's Stuff (at phileimer.9online.fr)
10:01 <quail> ooops I messed up
10:02 <hoonteke> quail: I'm looking at the boinc script
10:02 <hoonteke> why'd you mess up?
10:04 <quail> you could try boinc --help
10:05 <hoonteke> quail: yeah, I've been down that road, but I'm not seeing it
10:05 <hoonteke> I'm hoping to see what changes in the xml files from a file that's come from a GUI
10:08 <quail> hoonteke: iirc you can set it in project account page for a host not to accept anymore work
10:08 <hoonteke> ah, okay
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11:39 <ix> How does the BOINC client cope with being run by several machines at once from a common installation? I want to experiment with diskless clients in linux, and have a system with a shared home folder in which I would like to run the precompiled binaries from boinc.b.edu.
11:48 <hawmps> interesting question
11:49 <ix> They will share the same configuration, so that's not an issue, I just want them all to get tasks.
11:50 <Romulus> Title: Dotsch_UX (at www.dotsch.de)
11:50 <hawmps> it might help you out
11:51 <MTughan> ix: The problem is that you can't just set up BOINC on one machine, and then copy its configuration to other machines. The configuration stores a unique host identifier, so you have to get each machine attached separately.
11:51 <MTughan> You can automate that with a shell script and boinc_cmd though.
11:51 <hawmps> exactly
11:52 <ix> MTughan: Ah. Doesn't seem too complicated.
11:52 <ix> But what about lockfiles and the like?
11:52 <MTughan> What about them?
11:52 <ix> I have to confess I know ca. nothing about where BOINC stores data.
11:53 <ix> Are they per work unit or per application session?
11:53 <MTughan> Good question... I don't know.
11:53 <hawmps> per application session
11:53 <MTughan> They should all be removed when BOINC is shut down though.
11:53 <hawmps> iirc.
11:54 <ix> Hm.
11:55 <desti> would be much simpler if you use an extra boinc dir for every client
11:55 <ix> I was kindof hoping to avoid installing BOINC via the package managing system and only have one folder where the binary itself resides, but if this is true, it looks like I would be better off just automating the installation of a boinc directory per client, yes.
11:55 <MTughan> Probably.
11:56 <MTughan> IMO, of course.
11:56 <ix> Yeah. I'll try this when I get home. I'll keep you posted. ;-)
11:57 <MTughan> If you want to automate the process of attaching projects, you can make a simple shell script that will call "boinc_cmd --project_attach <url> <account key>"
11:58 <MTughan> The URL is the URL of the project, and you can get the account key from your user page on the project.
12:00 <hawmps> he'll end up with like a million different hosts...
12:02 <MTughan> And BOINC doesn't have a mechanism for merging different hosts into one.
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13:16 <quail> meep meep all
13:27 <PovAddict> ix: there is no problem sharing binaries
13:27 <PovAddict> as long as each runs from its own directory
13:27 <ix> PovAddict: Oh! :-)
13:27 <PovAddict> if using a package manager, just do the normal Unix thing: shared /usr, per-machine /var
13:28 <ix> MTughan: These machines are generally not supposed to be doing this -- They are set up this way for a different purpose
13:28 <ix> So I want to keep everything in /home for now
13:29 <ix> MTughan: What about project managers?
13:32 <ix> I guess it's documented.
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13:44 <MTughan> ix: Did you mean to highlight PovAddict?
13:44 <PovAddict> D:
13:44 <PovAddict> silly ISP
13:44 <quail> how is everyone going?
13:45 <ix> MTughan: Yup, I did. :-P
13:45 <MTughan> A project manager would allow to control the computers from one web-based interface.
13:45 <ix> It looks like I might have forgot to enable wake-on-lan on the machines. *facepalms*
13:45 <PovAddict> an "account manager"?
13:46 <ix> Yeah, I guess that's what they are called.
13:47 <MTughan> Oh, right... Yeah, an account manager. :)
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15:49 <PovAddict> "Congress Deadlocked Over How To Not Provide Health Care"
15:50 <quail> o.0
15:50 <PovAddict> lol, you haven't heard of The Onion? :)
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15:51 <PovAddict> "The goal is to recognize that all Americans have a God-given right to proper medical attention and then make sure there's no chance in hell that ever happens."
15:51 <quail> onion is nice in cooked food and salads :-P
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16:43 <PovAddict> someone in POV-Ray newsgroups asks: what does the average user need multiple CPU cores for?
16:44 <PovAddict> (in response to recently-released hex-core CPUs)
16:44 <PovAddict> like, really the average user... who doesn't do video editing or protein folding
16:44 <PovAddict> and an interesting answer that fits us crazy BOINCers too: "Who cares what they use them for? The more people buying them, the lower the price gets to you and me :-)"
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17:04 <Tank_Master> darn right pov!
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17:07 <zombie67> MT?
17:07 <Romulus> MT is right, zombie67
17:08 <zombie67> any issues with running BOINC on snow leopard?
17:08 <zombie67> either the BOINC SW or the apps?
17:08 <Tank_Master> forget MT
17:08 <Romulus> Okay, Tank_Master.
17:12 <MTughan> zombie67: How should I know?
17:12 <zombie67> you're the mac expert. MT knows all.
17:12 <MTughan> Heh.
17:12 <MTughan> Sorry, I haven't run Snow Leopard at all yet. I plan on getting a copy tomorrow.
17:12 <zombie67> me too
17:12 <zombie67> already have my family pack in transit
17:13 <MTughan> Charlie did apparently fix a SL bug in BOINC, but I don't remember what version it was now.
17:13 <MTughan> I'll be checking Synecdoche functions as soon as I can.
17:13 <zombie67> cool
17:14 <zombie67> I am also wondering if the apps have to be built differently, like with leopard
17:14 <MTughan> There shouldn't be too many differences, I would think.
17:15 <zombie67> sounds promising
17:16 <MTughan> I did see a report that some benchmarks are slower on Snow Leopard, but I didn't look into it. Let me see if I can dig it up again.
17:16 <zombie67> odd
17:16 <zombie67> SL's supposed to be faster, tighter
17:17 <MTughan> Search for the Conclusions section, benchmarks are just under that.
17:21 <MTughan> Ah, Charlie fixed a screensaver bug on SL. Not too critical.
17:22 <MTughan> I'll still have to fix it, but it's not like it prevents computation.
17:22 <zombie67> huh
17:23 <zombie67> yeah, I never use screen savers
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17:24 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:24 <MTughan> 'lo Doug
17:24 <quail> wdsmia: meep meep Doug
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17:26 <wdsmia> rain rain go away go Coder's way
17:27 <quail> hehe
17:27 <MTughan> Hey, that's my direction too.
17:28 <wdsmia> lol
17:31 <quail> I'll take the rain for the new property to fill the new rain water tank ;-)
17:31 <Tank_Master> :)
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17:50 <MTughan> zombie67: Quick notes about those graphs too. It says up near the top that the slowdown is only 2.5% overall in the processor intensive applications, and their margin of error is 5%. So it may be nothing at all.
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17:57 <zombie67> ah
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17:57 <evilTughan> The famous last words of zombie67... "ah"
17:58 <Tank_Master> lol
17:58 <Tank_Master> "e evilTughan
17:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: The command "quote" is available in the QuoteGrabs and Stock plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "quote".
17:58 <Tank_Master> &grab evilTughan
17:58 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The operation succeeded.
17:58 <Tank_Master> wichever :P
18:15 <xcamel_> re-hi
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18:18 <PovAddict> < iKBerry> man this driving and ircing thing rocks
18:18 <PovAddict> < iKBerry> brb getting pulled over
18:20 <Tank_Master> lol
18:20 <Tank_Master> doesnt rock so much anymore...
18:20 <xcamel> or 'shot on sight'
18:23 <PovAddict> <Josh> I don't understand why churches and 'family groups' spend millions of dollars a year on abstinence-only instruction when a World of Warcraft account only costs fifteen dollars a month and has a much better record of ensuring virginity.
18:23 <Tank_Master> LOL
18:27 <ix> Is there like a symlink I could match to automatically download the latest client?
18:27 <ix> Or do I have to write some bogus routine to match the highest number :-p
18:27 <evilTughan> The latter I think.
18:28 <PovAddict> huh
18:30 <ix> blargh
18:34 <CoderForLife> lol
18:34 <CoderForLife> evening folks
18:34 <CoderForLife> bbl - dindin
18:41 <PovAddict> ix: what symlink are you talking about?
18:44 <ix> Instead of downloading http://einstein.ligo.caltech.edu/download/boinc/dl/boinc_6.6.37_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh (after finding the URL manually) I would love to just download something like boinc_latest_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu.sh, which would be a symlink or redirect to the latest version.
18:45 <ix> Then I could automate the install of a new client completely.
18:46 <PovAddict> no, there is no URL like that
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19:14 <PovAddict> ix: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/get_latest.py
19:14 <Tank_Master> .py?
19:14 <PovAddict> python
19:14 <Tank_Master> ah
19:15 <PovAddict> ix: still needs work in choosing which of the possible versions to return
19:16 <PovAddict> and won't work for Mac, because it claims to be "powerpc-apple-darwin" but it's actually a universal binary
19:16 <ix> PovAddict: Oh, awesome! :-)
19:17 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
19:17 <PovAddict> up to you to get the latest from the list :)
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19:37 <ix> I'm testing automation of the installation and configuration of the client now -- Is there any way I can just simulate getting work to do, or should I just don't worry about it and do the actual request?
19:41 <PovAddict> just get some real work from a real project
19:41 <CoderForLife> don't worry, be happy
19:42 * PovAddict has a headache
19:42 <PovAddict> and a blocked ear
19:42 <CoderForLife> double ouch
19:43 <PovAddict> earlier today I had both ears blocked
19:44 <xcamel_> exit
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19:44 <xcamel_> oops..
19:44 <PovAddict> you made efc exit!
19:44 <PovAddict> :P
19:45 <xcamel_> damn.. kmail gone stupid on me..
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19:45 <PovAddict> restart it
19:46 <PovAddict> I get lots of strange behavior on kmail... usually if left running for too many days
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19:46 <PovAddict> like saying mail check progress -1%
19:51 <xcamel_> fixed it.
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19:57 <ix> Huh. How do I specify a socks proxy? The --set_proxy_settings bit seems rather poorly documented. Are all the fields mandatory? If so, what should I fill in for the HTTP proxy I'm not going to use?
19:57 <ix> (using boinccmd, that is)
20:00 <Tank_Master> skillfully
20:12 <ix> *sighs and dives into the source code for what seems like it should be a no-brainer*
20:18 <ix> ix@xenon:~/boinctest/BOINC$ ./boinccmd --set_proxy_settings "" "" "" "" 127.0.0.1 25000 5 "" "" ""
20:18 <ix> 28-Aug-2009 02:18:04 [---] Using SOCKS proxy 127.0.0.1:25000
20:18 <ix> *facepalms*
20:18 <KathrynM> there's a lot of stuff in boinc that should be a no brainer
20:18 <ix> :-p
20:18 <KathrynM> unfortunately, that's not the case
20:27 <Tank_Master> wb KM
20:43 <PovAddict> --set-proxy-settings was a no-op for years (bug)
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21:01 <CoderForLife> gn all
21:02 <Tank_Master> gn cfl
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22:57 <Tank_Master> who is the admin of drugdiscovery?
22:58 <quail> &wx ypad
22:58 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 71Â°F / 22Â°C | Humidity: 25% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM CST; Rain. High:60 ° F.; Rain. Low:46 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:59 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 ° F.;
22:59 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: Jack Shultz
22:59 <Tank_Master> thought so, thx
23:16 <jasong> I'm all for Christian forgiveness, but being locked in a shed for almost 2/3rds of your life...Let's string the bastard up by his toes
23:16 <PovAddict> what the *hell* are you talking about?
23:16 <jasong> just a sec
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