IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-08-29

00:02 <zombie67> how was the launch?

00:02 <PovAddict> 3 2 1

00:02 <PovAddict> LIFTOFF

00:02 <wdsmia> your a few min late PovAddict

00:02 <zombie67> my mom lives in cocoa beach

00:02 <PovAddict> I'm on a 1-min delayed video stream

00:03 <zombie67> she watches them from her back yard

00:03 <PovAddict> like almost everyone else

00:03 <PovAddict> the main video stream in the nasa website is delayed

00:03 <zombie67> lived there growing up too.  So she saw all the Right Stuff launches too

00:04 <zombie67> her dad worked for NASA

00:04 <Tank_Master> seperation complete

00:05 <PovAddict> damn

00:05 <PovAddict> I want to go see it live too

00:05 <Tank_Master> ive seen one launch live

00:06 <PovAddict> I'm in the opposite end of the planet tho

00:06 <zombie67> there was a lot of top secret launches back then.  All of them were in the dark of night.  But all the locals knew about them, because they could see them!

00:06 <wdsmia> I was there for one but was canceled... and was unable to stay

00:06 <PovAddict> hard to keep that a total secret...

00:07 <PovAddict> wdsmia: aww

00:07 <zombie67> not in the USSR...

00:07 <PovAddict> disappointment

00:16 <efc> I went out and looked for the launch, no dice

00:19 <PovAddict> [01:17] <NoorulIslaam> when the cost does come down

00:19 <Tank_Master> bumme

00:19 <PovAddict> [01:17] <NoorulIslaam> then space travel will become routine

00:19 <PovAddict> [01:17] <PovAddict> I want a ticket to the moon, economy class please

00:19 <PovAddict> [01:18] <NoorulIslaam> PovAddict: we're booked for the next 50 years so....

00:26 <zombie67> still no validation on picevolvr

00:26 <PovAddict> it's clearly not user-ready

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00:27 <PovAddict> moo MTughan_, how's the new feline doing?

00:28 <MTughan_> All right, but still without my usual Growl.

00:28 <MTughan_> It'll just take a big for everything to get updated.

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00:29 <zombie67> feline?  SL?

00:29 <MTughan_> Yeah.

00:29 <PovAddict> yup

00:29 <zombie67> me too, later this weekend

00:30 <MTughan_> The big things I'm noticing that are missing are Crystal Clear, full Growl support, iStat menus, and Synecdoche

00:30 <zombie67> i use MenuMeters

00:31 <MTughan_> zombie67: "MenuMeters 1.3 does not run on Snow Leopard because the process that hosts the MenuMeters plugins (SystemUIServer) is now 64-bit."

00:31 <MTughan_>

00:31 <Romulus> Title: Raging Menace (at

00:31 <zombie67> uh oh

00:32 <zombie67> and neither does iStat?

00:32 <MTughan_> It's the same problem with iStat Menus.

00:32 <zombie67> crap

00:32 <Tank_Master> r:)

00:32 <zombie67> that may be a deal-breaker for me

00:32 <MTughan_> iSlayer has said they'll have an update soon after. iStat pro still works.

00:32 <PovAddict> ugh

00:32 <PovAddict> how long has there been x86_64 in Macs?

00:33 <zombie67> "I'm working on an update to MenuMeters and expect to have a public beta shortly after Snow Leopard retail availability."

00:33 <MTughan_> Tiger brought 64-bit support for CLI, Leopard brought 64-bit support for GUI, SL moves everything else to 64-bit.

00:34 <PovAddict> and how long has it been known that SL would move everything to 64-bit?

00:34 <zombie67> pov, I actually logged a bug with him for Leopard

00:34 <MTughan_> PovAddict: For a while, but no one's actually been able to test stuff or see what was removed.

00:34 <zombie67> MenuMeters 1.3 was released on January 25, 2006

00:34 <PovAddict> it's amazing how many programs start working on modifying *when* things break

00:34 <MTughan_> Unless they pay Apple.

00:34 <PovAddict> well, as a dev, if they told me SL would require 64-bit, I'd try to get it working as 64-bit on Leopard

00:35 <MTughan_> Synecdoche wasn't broken by 64-bit support, as the CC already has it.

00:35 <PovAddict> then when SL comes out, it wouldn't work

00:35 <PovAddict> but there would be less brokenness remaining to fix

00:38 <PovAddict> is SL retail (not upgrade from Leopard) available at all?

00:38 <MTughan_> Should be.

00:38 <zombie67> I got mine today

00:38 <MTughan_> Although you can apparently use the upgrade with Tiger.

00:38 <PovAddict> looking for price, out of curiosity

00:38 <PovAddict> what's the oldest OS X version you can have with an Intel CPU?

00:38 <MTughan_> Tiger.

00:39 <PovAddict> ah...

00:39 <MTughan_> 10.4.6 to be exact IIRC.

00:39 <PovAddict> "If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, just purchase Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard and follow the simple installation instructions."

00:39 <PovAddict> "If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set"

00:39 <MTughan_> One sec.

00:40 <PovAddict> the Box Set has 10.6, iLife '09, and iWork '09

00:40 <PovAddict> I wanted to compare the full (not upgrade) Snow Leopard OS, without extras like iLife

00:40 <PovAddict> with Windows 7

00:40 <PovAddict> wrt prices

00:41 <PovAddict> but looks like Apple doesn't sell such a thing

00:41 <MTughan_> Compare the box set to Windows + Office?

00:41 <PovAddict> either way, Mac Box Set (OS X 10.6 + iLife + iWork) costs less than Windows 7 Ultimate alone (!)

00:41 <Tank_Master> PovAddict:

00:42 <Tank_Master> you can get a technet subscription for $350 and get all OS and office releases for that year

00:42 <MTughan_> PovAddict:

00:42 <Romulus> <> (at

00:42 <Tank_Master> including desktop and server OS

00:42 <PovAddict> so what?

00:42 <Romulus> It has been said that so what is the difference between rsa and dsa, PovAddict

00:42 <Tank_Master> $350 for ultimate?

00:42 <Tank_Master> forget so what

00:42 <Romulus> Okay, Tank_Master.

00:43 <PovAddict> if Ultimate costs 300, I don't care if I can get every Windows and Office release for only 50 more, because *I don't need it*

00:44 <Tank_Master> lol

00:44 <Tank_Master> I thought ultimate was more than $350 for the non upgrade at the store

00:45 <PovAddict> suppose you want a hard disk, and it costs $300

00:45 <PovAddict> and they tell you "you can get one *twice* as big for only $350"

00:45 <PovAddict> that's *irrelevant* if you only have $200, and you don't need one twice as big

00:46 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: What incentive is there for people to get that then? At least after they screwed over Vista Ultimate users with "Extras."

00:46 <zombie67> that's right, iLife comes free with a computer.

00:46 <Tank_Master> you can put them on up to 10 comps...

00:46 <zombie67> but you don't get it with an OS

00:46 <Tank_Master> each version of the OS

00:46 <zombie67> brb

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00:46 <PovAddict> even in the opposite direction:

00:46 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: The Ultimate license is good for 10 computers? Not that I heard.

00:47 <Tank_Master> no, the technet

00:47 <Tank_Master> you get up to 10 keys per OS version

00:47 <Tank_Master> for $350 total

00:47 <Tank_Master> hella good proce for the server OS

00:47 <MTughan_> I'm not talking about Technet. If we only get a Windows computer for various small things, what do we need 10 licenses for?

00:47 <Tank_Master> boinc?

00:48 <MTughan_> Linux.

00:48 <Tank_Master> heh

00:48 <PovAddict> MTughan_: his point is that you can subscribe to technet for about as much as a single Ultimate license, and get *all versions*, 10 licenses each

00:48 <Tank_Master> id rather have something simple to set up

00:48 <PovAddict> my point is that I don't need all versions, I don't need 10 licenses, and *I can't afford either*

00:48 <PovAddict> (or even if I can, I don't want to spend that much in software)

00:49 <Tank_Master> yeah, it is spendy

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00:49 <Tank_Master> I remember win98 being $100 and the doj said it was to cheep! o0

00:49 <zombie67> so we have no stats app available at all?

00:49 <MTughan_> Linux is $0.

00:49 <MTughan_> zombie67: For SL?

00:49 <PovAddict> MTughan_: wrong

00:49 <zombie67> yeah

00:50 <MTughan_> zombie67: If you can use a Dashboard widget, iStat Pro still works.

00:50 <MTughan_> iStat Nano probably still works too.

00:50 <zombie67> widits suck

00:50 <PovAddict> MTughan_: a GNU/Linux distribution costs $1 (price of a CD-R to burn it on), and the time to set it up

00:50 <MTughan_> No menu bar stats object I know of then.

00:50 <zombie67> I want something I can always see, and in the toolbar

00:50 <MTughan_> PovAddict: CD-RW.

00:51 <Tank_Master> does anyone make a gadget for vista/win7 that shows BOINC stats?

00:51 <zombie67> that really is a deal breaker

00:51 <PovAddict> MTughan_: I happen to be the proud owner of one

00:51 <PovAddict> was like 10 times the price of a CD-R

00:51 <MTughan_> zombie67: The price the early adopters pay.

00:51 <MTughan_> PovAddict: And can be used at least 10 times.

00:51 <PovAddict> but I have already burned it 20 or 30 times, never had an issue

00:51 <zombie67> I rely on the CPU and memory data to monitor boinc

00:51 <PovAddict> -RWs rock

00:52 <PovAddict> anyway

00:52 <zombie67> and I use the traffic stats to determine when I am having access problems

00:52 <PovAddict> my preference lately is Debian

00:52 <zombie67> all linux seem the same to me

00:52 <MTughan_> zombie67: I can keep an eye on MenuMeters and iStat menus for you, let you know when they've been updated.

00:52 <PovAddict> base system only, don't let the installer load anything extra

00:52 <zombie67> thanks MT!

00:52 <PovAddict> takes a lot of time to install needed stuff afterwards

00:53 <zombie67> I may upgrade a machine I don't use much

00:53 <PovAddict> especially with my preference to *compile Apache and PHP from source*

00:53 <PovAddict> you can probably setup Windows Server with IIS faster than that, if you have the experience; and either way it takes less knowledge to do it

00:54 <PovAddict> in exchange, Windows Server costs an arm, a leg, and your freedom

00:54 <PovAddict> I have more time than money, and I'd rather keep my freedom

00:54 <PovAddict> (and my arm and leg)

00:54 <PovAddict> so, Linux

00:55 <Tank_Master> you can run winserver for free

00:56 <Tank_Master> it dowent really do anything after the trial lapses

00:56 <PovAddict> you cannot serve customers from a winserver for free

00:56 <Tank_Master> ive done it

00:56 <zombie67> can or shouldn't?

00:56 <Tank_Master> you dont need a key to install server

00:56 <PovAddict> where I worked, we had Windows Server 2003 *pirated*

00:56 <PovAddict> with a patch to avoid the license key stuff

00:56 <Tank_Master> try 2008

00:56 <PovAddict> after 30 days we couldn't login locally anymore

00:57 <Tank_Master> that changed in 2008

00:57 <PovAddict> the server still worked, serving DNS and Exchange and stuff; but it gave an error when you tried to login physically at the server

00:57 <Tank_Master> background go black, and you dont get optional updates

00:57 <MTughan_> Looks like Growl will be updated within 24 hours.

00:57 <Tank_Master> thats all that really is affected after the 240 day trial

00:57 <MTughan_> At least a beta of 1.2.

00:57 <PovAddict> we had to do a mess to get into safe mode and install a better anti-wga patch

00:57 <zombie67> I like growl

00:58 <PovAddict> for a moment I thought... we have pirated WinXP in all machines, but this is the *server*, we rely on it... maybe we could buy a license and be done with it

00:58 <PovAddict> I looked up prices

00:58 <MTughan_> Yeah, they need to fix GrowlMail and GrowlSafari at least, and rebuild the preferences pane for 64-bit.

00:58 <Tank_Master> pov - you coulda started the activation process, told it to go online to buy a key, then typed in c:\ and that would switch over to explorere mode

00:58 <PovAddict> maybe the edition we had was overkill for our needs, but anyway

00:59 <Tank_Master> from there just run explorere.exe in the system folder

00:59 <PovAddict> I looked up the exact edition we were using

00:59 <PovAddict> USD 4000

00:59 <PovAddict> Microsoft, GO BURN IN HELL

00:59 <Tank_Master> sounds like you either had a volume licene version, or the datacade center

01:00 <PovAddict> anyway, that was many months ago

01:00 <PovAddict> and anyway I'm not working there anymore

01:00 <PovAddict> so don't give me tips :P

01:01 <Tank_Master> lol

01:02 <Tank_Master> *fine*

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01:13 <zombie67> I had to put one of my dogs to sleep today

01:13 <zombie67> Harley Quinn.  She was a mastiff, almost 10 years old

01:13 <Tank_Master> sorry for your loss

01:14 <zombie67>

01:14 <Romulus> Title: MobileMe Gallery (at

01:14 <zombie67> her body just gave out

01:14 <zombie67> all in a week

01:14 <zombie67> most gentile dog on the planet

01:14 <PovAddict> ugh

01:15 <PovAddict> she looks old and tired in those pics already

01:15 <PovAddict> poor thing

01:15 <zombie67> that was a couple days ago

01:16 <zombie67> life/god is a bastard

01:22 <zombie67> back in 201

01:22 <zombie67> 2001

01:22 <zombie67>

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01:22 <Romulus> Title: MobileMe Gallery (at

01:22 <evilTughan> Gah... JS dependent gallery.

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01:23 <zombie67> it's all apple

01:23 <PovAddict> breaks in Konqueror too

01:23 <PovAddict> aww

01:23 <zombie67> both galleries?

01:23 <PovAddict> how many dogs do you have?

01:23 <evilTughan> I see three there.

01:23 <PovAddict> evilTughan: I don't think that's the whole family ;)

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01:24 <zombie67> A that time, 3.  Two labs and a mastiff

01:24 <zombie67> then another mastiff

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01:24 <zombie67> two years ago, my baby, the yellow lab Roxy dies of cancer

01:24 <zombie67> then a year later the mastiff you don't see, died of a brain tumor

01:25 <zombie67> now the blond mastiff

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01:25 <zombie67> all three had to be put to sleep.  They are supposed to go quietly in their sleep!

01:25 <zombie67> all I have left is my black lab, Shenandoah

01:28 <zombie67> and she's now 13.  I have a year or two left...

01:31 <PovAddict> how long does a dog live *without* human care?

01:31 <evilTughan> Depends what kind of environment they live in.

01:32 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:32 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

01:32 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:20 AM CEST; Unknown. High:75 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:59 F.; Chance of Rain. High:69 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:68 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:48 F.;

01:32 <Tank_Master> howdy yoyo

01:32 <PovAddict> well, but usually it seems that with human care they can double their life expectancy

01:32 <PovAddict> the usual rule to compare dog ages with human ages is multiplying by seven

01:33 <PovAddict> I *have* seen dogs that, after multiplying by seven, would be the oldest humans alive :)

01:33 <zombie67> that is a false facotr

01:33 <evilTughan> PovAddict: *7 depends on the size of dog.

01:33 <zombie67> generally the bigger the dog, the shorter the life

01:34 <zombie67> a mastiff will live about 10-12 years

01:34 <evilTughan> Although our cat is close to 90 years now in transferred human years.

01:34 <zombie67> a lab about 12-14 years

01:34 <zombie67> a small poodle about 16 years

01:34 <evilTughan> She turned 18 in June.

01:35 <zombie67> and mutts live longer than pure breads, healthier too

01:36 <zombie67> of course this assume cancer doesn't destroy everything

01:38 <evilTughan> Oh, PovAddict: I didn't realize this before, but Colloquy was actually prepared for SL before. They updated it not too long ago, and that seemed to include a 64-bit build.

01:38 <zombie67> my buddy just got a new black lab puppy

01:38 <zombie67>

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01:38 <zombie67> makes me cry

01:38 <evilTughan> Didn't realize it before, until I noticed that my 32-bit only extensions weren't affecting it. :P

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03:06 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 54°F / 12°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 29mph / 46km/h | Updated: 4:29 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:66 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F.;

03:06 <quail> 'noon all, how is everyone?

03:07 <efc> moo

03:07 <quail> moo!

03:11 <yoyo[RKN]> moo

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03:41 <Pythagoras> hi all

03:41 <Pythagoras> wats uip

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06:05 <kathryn_>,computer-history-museum-photo-gallery-weird-fascinating-photos-including-a-giant-cray-and-a-60kg-hard-drive.aspx/9

06:05 <kathryn_> pretty cool

06:06 <Romulus> <> (at

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06:13 <desti> doesn't fit into my netbook :-/

06:22 <CoderForLife> morning

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08:34 <CoderForLife> &more

08:34 <Romulus> CoderForLife: evening...then becoming mostly clear. Lows in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

08:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

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10:06 <xcamel> 'lo

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10:08 <jackygrahamez_> hi

10:13 <desti>

10:13 <Romulus> <> (at

10:27 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez_!

10:28 <Tank_Master> oh, jack... quick question

10:28 <jackygrahamez_> yes

10:28 <Tank_Master> will you open uo account creation soon?

10:28 <Tank_Master> up*

10:29 <Tank_Master> several on my team want an account at DD@H

10:29 <jackygrahamez_> you can use this invite code SENS4 but new users are unable to get work do to a server issue I'm dealing with

10:29 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

10:29 <Tank_Master> ill let them know about the server issues

10:30 <jackygrahamez_> there is an issue prevent hosts from attaching

10:33 <Tank_Master> thx, posted it to my team

10:46 <Tank_Master> and im off to help out at the airshow! :D

10:57 <desti>

10:57 <Romulus> <> (at

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14:02 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 3:00 AM CST; Chance of Rain. High:62 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F.;

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14:55 <quail> 'morning all, how is everyone?

14:55 <quail> &time

14:55 <Romulus> quail: 02:55 PM, August 29, 2009

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17:28 <ix> Any way to set disk usage limit with boinccmd?

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17:35 <PovAddict> ix: no, you do that from project websites

17:36 <ix> How does it limit my ability to do work?

17:36 <ix> I have like, fifteen gigabytes to spare for fifteen clients

17:37 <ix> i.e. 1GB each

17:37 <PovAddict> BOINC won't download work that needs more than the limits you asked for

17:39 <ix> Hmm... Can I select preference sets with the boinccmd app, then?

17:40 <ix> I noticed I could create those in my account manger (gridrepublic)

17:40 <PovAddict> an account manager is a website

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17:55 <quail> 'morning ladies, how are we all?

17:57 <efc> moo Q

17:57 <quail> efc: meep meep

17:57 <quail> efc: how are you bloke?

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20:04 <CoderForLife> an early gn

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21:08 <wdsmia> &more

21:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: the west after midnight.;

21:24 * KathrynM groans

21:25 <PovAddict> morning

21:26 <Tank_Master> KM!

21:26 <Tank_Master> evening

21:26 <KathrynM> morning

21:31 <PovAddict> Jack keeps losing points

21:32 <Tank_Master> how do you loose points?

21:32 <PovAddict> he's losing points in my "competence to run a project" meter

21:32 <KathrynM> :)

21:32 <KathrynM> I think I need to get a new tv

21:33 <KathrynM> This Wii is getting *really* expensive

21:33 <PovAddict> new TV?

21:33 <KathrynM> yeah

21:33 <KathrynM> oh no

21:33 <KathrynM> old one now

21:33 <KathrynM> no idea how old

21:33 <PovAddict> what kind of video output connection does the Wii have?

21:34 <KathrynM> uh, red/yellow/white plugs

21:34 <KathrynM> they plug into the tv

21:34 <KathrynM> I hear the sound

21:34 <KathrynM> I see something flickering

21:34 <KathrynM> but no real picture

21:34 <KathrynM> the one plug on the tv is really loose

21:34 <PovAddict> ahh explains it

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21:47 <Tank_Master> :)

21:49 <KathrynM> interesting.  cli has no problem install virtual box.  gui spits it back out as missing a signing key

21:50 <PovAddict> installing from where?

21:52 <KathrynM> got the rpm from the virtual box website

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22:34 <KathrynM> yay!  figured out how to get my xp install disk into an iso and now I'm installing

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22:35 <PovAddict> you could also tell VirtualBox to access your physical CD drive, btw

22:38 <KathrynM> I tried that.  It wasn't seeing it as an iso file

22:39 <PovAddict> no, there are two options

22:39 <PovAddict> use an iso file, or use host drive

22:40 <KathrynM> meh.  working now :)_

22:40 <KathrynM> not gonna worry about i

22:40 <KathrynM> it even

22:40 <KathrynM> I'm having typing issues

22:40 <PovAddict> exact terms in VBox 3.0: Mount CD/DVD Drive: ( ) Host CD/DVD Drive, (o) ISO Image file

22:40 <KathrynM> must be the starbucks espresso & cream

23:06 <KathrynM> gah.  I'd kill for something like yum update for Windows

23:07 <PovAddict> I only know of tools that scan your system and let you know of updates

23:07 <PovAddict> supporting tons of apps

23:07 <PovAddict> but for auto-updating tons of apps, most would need repackaging...

23:08 <PovAddict> an installer that doesn't need any user input is a must for such a system

23:09 <PovAddict> Microsoft only makes it easy for corporate admins to update a few apps on a lot of machines via Active Directory

23:09 <PovAddict> not for a user to update a lot of apps on his own machine

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