IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-09-02

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04:57 <quail> 'evening all, how is everyone?

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05:46 <xcamel> hi

05:46 <xcamel> Sysinfo for '': Linux running KDE 3.5.10-1.fc8 Fedora, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Quad CPU    Q9650  @ 3.00GHz at 2997 MHz (5993 bogomips), HD: 0/0GB, RAM: 2822/3033MB, 198 proc's, 9.39h up

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06:10 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:10 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 52.2F / 11.2C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the lower 70s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of showers after midnight. Low in the lower 50s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny with a 20 percent (1 more message)

06:11 <wdsmia> &more

06:11 <Romulus> wdsmia: chance of showers. High in the mid 70s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.;

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06:28 <hawmps> anyone try 6.10.2 ??

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06:56 <KathrynM> evening

07:10 <hawmps> 'lo

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08:12 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:48 <Romulus> <> (at

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10:36 <hawmps> 'lo Rom

10:37 <hawmps> got 6.10.2 - stll not getting any linux/cuda apps

10:39 <KathrynM>

10:39 <Romulus> Title: Index of /shared-pics (at

10:39 <KathrynM> project one of my advanced classes did :)

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10:40 <hawmps> lol

10:40 <hawmps> cute

10:40 <KathrynM> smart little buggers too

10:40 <KathrynM> <---- bed

10:41 <KathrynM> been fighting with digikam for a while and now I give up

10:41 <KathrynM> not sure what broke it, but it's fubared

10:41 <KathrynM> night

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10:45 <hawmps> nn..

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12:15 <PovAddict> zombie67: ?

12:15 <Romulus> It has been said that zombie67: is it CPUs you're changing, PovAddict

12:15 <PovAddict> forget zombie:

12:15 <Romulus> 10-4.

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12:46 <Tank_Master> zombie67 ?

12:46 <Romulus> Somebody said zombie67 is #1 or wondering if the apps have to be built differently, like with leopard, Tank_Master

12:46 <Tank_Master> forget zombie67

12:46 <Romulus> Got it.

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13:06 <zombie67> here

13:06 <Tank_Master> wb

13:06 <zombie67> sup?\

13:07 <hawmps> zom-bony!

13:07 <PovAddict> stay away from ananis, totally insecure server

13:08 <Tank_Master> ananis?

13:08 <PovAddict> I have their private code signing key

13:08 <hawmps> Romulus, remember zombie67

13:08 <Romulus> hawmps: No idea!

13:08 <Tank_Master> lol

13:08 <PovAddict> oh and deleted Tank_Master's account

13:08 <PovAddict> anansi*

13:08 <PovAddict> whatever

13:09 <zombie67> wow.  did you tell the admin?

13:09 <Tank_Master> whats the url?

13:09 <PovAddict> <- that crap

13:09 <Romulus> Title: Anansi (at

13:09 <zombie67> ah yes, you did

13:10 <Tank_Master> did what?

13:10 <zombie67> tell the admin

13:10 <Tank_Master> ahh

13:11 <hawmps> seems 6.10.2 workfetch is a bit fubar...

13:13 <Tank_Master> most of 6.10.x is

13:15 <zombie67> I can't tell, as I cannot get 6.10 to install *at all*

13:15 <hawmps> winduhs?

13:15 <Romulus> I guess winduhs is winduhs is winduhs, hawmps

13:16 <yomshleeshee> did they just jump a bunch of minor version numbers. I installed 6.6.x not long ago

13:16 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: they skipped odd numbers

13:16 <hawmps> they skipped versions that worked.

13:16 <PovAddict> and 6.8 was for the PTP/Intel/Facebook crap

13:16 <yomshleeshee> lol

13:16 <PovAddict> 6.9.15 works perfectly

13:16 <yomshleeshee> i see

13:16 <PovAddict> (doesn't exist)

13:17 <hawmps> like 6.9.69

13:17 <yomshleeshee> oh, so it was in the svn but didn't make it to the website

13:17 <yomshleeshee> weird

13:17 <PovAddict> no, it doesn't exist

13:17 <hawmps> like any support for my gtx 295

13:17 <PovAddict>

13:17 <Romulus> Title: Revision 18989: /tags (at

13:18 <hawmps> nah.. it goes to like 6.11.5 now

13:19 <hawmps>

13:19 <Romulus> <> (at

13:19 <zombie67> what's 6.11 going to implement?

13:19 <PovAddict> I wasn't the only one to play around in anansi admin page

13:20 <PovAddict> they have an app with short name "Chuck Norris"

13:20 <PovAddict> pretty sure *I* didn't do that

13:20 <yomshleeshee> lol

13:20 <PovAddict> and I don't think the real admins did either

13:21 <zombie67> Chuck Norris destroyed the periodic table, because he only recognizes the element of surprise.

13:21 <PovAddict> &grab zombie67

13:21 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

13:21 <hawmps> Hu - the human element

13:22 <Tank_Master> someone has been watching to much planet green channel

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13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> re

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> that guy must be stupid to go online

14:00 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : did you add the news entry :)

14:00 <PovAddict> yes, for the protection of users

14:00 <PovAddict> want to see his application source code? :)

14:01 <yoyo[RKN]> he has an app ?

14:01 <PovAddict> yes...

14:01 <PovAddict> and sending work too

14:01 <PovAddict> zombie67 found the app doesn't really use CPU

14:01 <PovAddict> turned out to be a web crawler

14:02 <PovAddict> but project isn't marked non-cpu-intensive

14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> so you can just change the app and send some crap

14:02 <PovAddict> yes! because he didn't use a separate disconnected computer for code signing

14:02 <PovAddict> the private key is just out there

14:03 <yoyo[RKN]> so you can send a boinc_cmd --detach from project

14:03 <PovAddict> I could...

14:03 <PovAddict> but I could also wipe the user table

14:03 <PovAddict> then users wouldn't be able to get work anyway

14:04 <PovAddict> hawmps: 6.10.3 tagged in SVN

14:13 <hawmps> prolly still broken

14:13 <PovAddict> 6.10.3 windows 32 and 64 bit available in /dl/

14:14 <hawmps> planet green channel == comedy channel.

14:15 <PovAddict>

14:15 <Romulus> <> (at

14:23 <Tank_Master> thx pov

14:32 <hawmps> sorry... no winduhs here..

14:33 <Tank_Master> seems the windows app is getting bigger

14:33 <Tank_Master> not that 8MB is really all that big

14:34 <hawmps> thats all they ever do.

14:34 <Tank_Master> the 32bit app is smaller, the 64bit is bigger than the last version

14:35 <Tank_Master> er client

14:35 <PovAddict> the client or the installer?

14:35 <Tank_Master> installer, whatever

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14:42 <Tank_Master> humm, interesting bug...

14:42 <Tank_Master> I suspend a colatz WU and the tast doesnt stop...

14:42 <Tank_Master> but the reported CPU time doesnt update

14:43 <Tank_Master> so basicly you cant run the tast for a few seconds, suspend it for the rest, and the reported time for a 3h WU will be a few seconds

14:43 <Tank_Master> task*

14:43 <PovAddict> so you suspend it and it's still running?

14:43 <Tank_Master> yes

14:44 <Tank_Master> checked taskmanager

14:44 <PovAddict> but manager doesn't update CPU time? what if you resume it again?

14:44 <PovAddict> does it continue counting from where it stopped, or does it jump?

14:44 <Tank_Master> and the % done in the manager does update

14:44 <Tank_Master> the CPU time resumes where it stopes in the manager

14:44 <PovAddict> % keeps updating while suspended?

14:44 <Tank_Master> it doesnt jump

14:45 <Tank_Master> yes, the % updates

14:45 <PovAddict> then it's not what I thought

14:45 <Tank_Master> you know how aqua has the multithreded app?

14:45 <Tank_Master> I have aqua and colatz running together

14:46 <Tank_Master> on a c2q CPU, I start off with just aqua, and all 4 CPUs are allocated for the aqua WU

14:46 <Tank_Master> I d/l 2 colatz WUs, they start, each gets one CPU core, aqua gets 2

14:47 <Tank_Master> I suspend 1 colatz, and now the manager allocates 3 cores to aqua, as that part of the logic thinks theres only 1 other task running

14:48 <PovAddict> uh

14:48 <PovAddict> MT apps start with a certain number of threads and stick to it

14:48 <Tank_Master> not with this one

14:48 <Tank_Master> 6.10.3

14:48 <PovAddict> boinc *can't* tell them to start using more

14:50 <Tank_Master> it starts off running on all 4 cores

14:50 <zombie67> the number of cores aqua uses constantly changes

14:51 <PovAddict> maybe it's because of process priorities?

14:51 <Tank_Master> then drops down as more coltaz WUs are running

14:51 <PovAddict> aqua uses 4 threads

14:51 <Tank_Master> untill its down to a single core and BOINC syspends running the WU

14:51 <PovAddict> then when you start a single-thread app, on slightly higher priority, it keeps aqua from getting it all?

14:52 <Tank_Master> with 2 colats, and 1 aqua, the CPU is still not fully utilized

14:52 <PovAddict> if it was same priority, then in theory aqua would get 3.2 cores and collatz would get 0.8...

14:52 <Tank_Master> aqua can only use about 90% of a quadcore do to some ineffecencies

14:53 <hawmps> what the heck is 'collatz'

14:53 <zombie67> when run on a 32 core, the utilization was VERY low

14:53 <Tank_Master> a project

14:53 <hawmps> *duh*

14:53 <Tank_Master> :D

14:53 <Tank_Master>

14:53 <Romulus> Title: Collatz Conjecture (at

14:54 <Tank_Master> its picking up where 3x+1 left off

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14:55 <Tank_Master> pov - with 2 colatz and 1 aqua, task manager is showing aqua taking up 48-60% of the CPU

14:55 <Tank_Master> its jumps around a lot

14:56 <zombie67> has there been a problem with work availability on MW?

14:56 <Tank_Master> changing aqua's priority to normal has no effect on the CPU used, seems more constant in the mid 50% though

14:56 <yoyo[RKN]> boah

14:56 <Tank_Master> zombie67, there generally is anyway

14:56 <yoyo[RKN]> my c knowledge is pretty old

14:56 <Tank_Master> howdy yoyo

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> how to find out if a number divides by 10

14:58 <PovAddict> theory: you divide it by 10 and see if the reminder is 0

14:58 <yoyo[RKN]> (number % 10) == 0     ?

14:58 <PovAddict> yep

14:58 <yoyo[RKN]> ok, my brain found it

14:58 <PovAddict> practice: (n % 10) == 0

15:01 <hawmps> mw has been a bit skimpy...

15:03 <FreeLarry58> Tank_Master aqua was designed to use 100% of multicore cpu ie have had it use all 8 cores of i7 to do one wu

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15:06 <Tank_Master> collatz has several cuda WUs

15:06 <Tank_Master> and they only take about 15 min

15:06 <hawmps> not for linux..

15:06 <Tank_Master> on my 250

15:06 <Tank_Master> dont they?

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15:07 <hawmps> I looked at the site.. no cuda apps at all..

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15:07 <Tank_Master> im running cuda on win7 x64

15:08 <Tank_Master> they even have an ATI app

15:08 <zombie67> plenty of cuda:

15:08 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at

15:08 <Tank_Master> for windows anyway

15:08 <zombie67> look under plan class column

15:08 <Tank_Master> looks like your right for linux

15:08 <zombie67> oh

15:08 <Tank_Master> theres only CPU for linux

15:08 <zombie67> what is linux again?

15:08 <hawmps> fsck you.

15:09 <Tank_Master> lol

15:09 <FreeLarry58> opens source unix basically is what i think of linux as

15:09 * FreeLarry58 is probably oversimplifing again

15:10 <hawmps> a bit

15:10 <PovAddict> oh god, anansi has an older ubuntu version than me

15:10 <Tank_Master> sounds like you have work ahead of you

15:11 * FreeLarry58 wonders if PovAddict going to update fedora8 on the multicore here as no longer getting security updates

15:11 <PovAddict> I don't know about fedora

15:12 <FreeLarry58> lol i know - have to do something with that machine sometime next 12 months i think

15:12 <PovAddict> 'something'?

15:13 <FreeLarry58> probably will update vid card ps and install win7 on it

15:13 <FreeLarry58> but got to get finaces back in line first

15:13 <hawmps> fedora went off the rails with KDE 4+

15:13 <hawmps> which I hate.

15:14 <FreeLarry58> normally just use the default gnome here

15:14 <FreeLarry58> hard to get used to but usable

15:15 <FreeLarry58> yes PovAddict 'something' but not till i give you a chance to get your files first

15:15 <PovAddict> meaning getting rid of it?

15:16 <FreeLarry58> that too but not for a few more years - probably do that when i place house on market for move to phillipines

15:16 <FreeLarry58> philippines?

15:16 <hawmps> I'd go back to xfce

15:17 <hawmps> philippines is a dangerous place now...

15:17 <FreeLarry58> always has been - just another place to go enjoy till you die same as here

15:17 <FreeLarry58> just method of dying may be more violent

15:18 <FreeLarry58> or not

15:19 <Tank_Master> dang, fresh out of aqua WUs now

15:20 <FreeLarry58> yeah not sure if they got thier server back up or not - last i checked they were out of work

15:20 * Tank_Master checks the atom and notes it does have one aqua WU running

15:20 <FreeLarry58> looks like all mine already done and reported

15:21 <FreeLarry58> lappy gave me some trouble with shutdowns yesterday - found the blower was moderately filled with dust - cleaned it and seems to be operating fine again

15:22 <hawmps> loaterz..

15:22 <hawmps> er laterz, even.

15:22 <FreeLarry58> tc hawmps

15:22 <Tank_Master> tc hawmps

15:23 * FreeLarry58 had figure of man reclined in motorized lazyboy puttering home

15:23 <FreeLarry58> in mind from lo...

15:24 <FreeLarry58> time to get ready for docs appt tca

15:24 <Tank_Master> c-ya

15:25 <Tank_Master> im off to make lunch

15:25 * Tank_Master feels like making mac n cheese

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15:47 <jackygrahamez_38> hi

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16:02 <Tank_Master> id say wb to jack, but something tells me he wont hear it

16:10 <zombie67> he turned on forums

16:10 <zombie67>

16:10 <Romulus> <> (at

16:13 <Tank_Master> who did?

16:16 <Tank_Master> huh.... leraned something new about win7...

16:16 <Tank_Master> you take a window, like your do when you click n drag it...

16:16 <Tank_Master> now just shack it back n forth a few times and all the other windows minize

16:16 <Tank_Master> do it again and they restre to where they were

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16:33 <Tank_Master> woot, passed 15m today!

16:34 <xcamel> good work!

16:34 <Tank_Master> thx

16:36 <xcamel> hanging in there at 15,372,000 and some change

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16:36 <Tank_Master> 15,000,983.06 at the last boincstats update

16:37 <xcamel> indeed.

16:37 <xcamel> bbl..

16:37 <Tank_Master> ok

16:38 <zombie67> I just broke 50m

16:38 <PovAddict>

16:38 <Romulus> <> (at

16:39 <zombie67> kevint is just about to break 500m

16:41 <Tank_Master> yeah, saw that :D

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16:45 <jackygrahamez_> any recommendations on a linux irc?

16:45 <PovAddict> irssi? :)

16:46 <Tank_Master> wb jackygrahamez_

16:46 <jackygrahamez_> i'll be back on linux in a few, wish me luck

16:46 <Tank_Master> gl\

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16:47 <yomshleeshee> irssi definitely

16:47 <yomshleeshee> I'm using it and I like it

16:47 <yomshleeshee> if you want/need a good. I liked xchat. but I found that I prefer the shell.

16:48 <yomshleeshee> plus I use the windows port which makes moving between the two much more comfortable

16:48 <yomshleeshee> 'course he quit so you guys are stuck hearing this :-/

16:48 <Tank_Master> :)

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16:51 <Tank_Master> woot, now we can blame everything on wdsmia_w

16:52 <yomshleeshee> sounds like a plan. like how I taked to a person who already left the room

16:52 <yomshleeshee> talked*

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16:53 <Tank_Master> wb cfl

16:54 <CoderForLife> thx - dunno when I dropped off

16:54 <CoderForLife> but

16:54 <CoderForLife> home again

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16:55 <CoderForLife> gee, chanserv - thanks for taking time out of your busy day to respond

16:57 <CoderForLife> jeepers - looks like I dropped off at 12:27am - I didn't notice this morning before I went to w@#%

16:57 <Tank_Master> ouch

16:57 <Tank_Master> missed a lot of logging :D

16:58 <CoderForLife> indeed - all those stimulating intellectual exchanges

16:58 <CoderForLife> or not

16:58 <Tank_Master> :)

16:59 <yomshleeshee> like why the odd minor version numbers were skipped in the client...

16:59 <Tank_Master> 7,8, and 9?

17:00 <yomshleeshee> well, I was saying how not very long ago I installed v6.6.X and now there's 6.10.X

17:00 <Tank_Master> they skiped those cus crunch3r submited a build that included ATI support

17:00 <Tank_Master> so they threw out the ones they were working on

17:00 <yomshleeshee> I was like man that's alot of upgrading to go from 6.6 to 6.10 and someone said that they skipped releasing the odd minor versions

17:00 <xcamel> that was too easy..

17:01 <Tank_Master> what was?

17:01 <xcamel> .45 1911 to .22 conversion

17:01 <Tank_Master> ahh...

17:01 <Tank_Master> huh ? :P

17:02 <xcamel> finally got the .22 cal topside for my kimber 1911 pistol

17:06 <xcamel> 'lo Don..

17:08 <CoderForLife> hello Jay - how's the house down south faring?

17:09 <xcamel> fine so far.. got some much needed rain

17:09 <CoderForLife> ah good

17:10 <CoderForLife> din-din time - bbiab

17:10 <xcamel> Nancy sent some pictures... no damage that I can see

17:17 <Tank_Master> humm... great... another GPU computing API has been introdiced for win7... called "DirectCompute"

17:17 <Tank_Master> the latest nvidia drivers support it now

17:17 <Tank_Master> and so will ATI

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17:17 <Tank_Master> "DirectCompute, if you're unfamiliar, is essentially the Windows-based alternative to Nvidia's CUDA effort to offload certain nongaming application tasks, most typically video transcoding, from the CPU to the GPU."

17:20 <Tank_Master> but it wont suppoert XP, just win7 and vista, so BOINC probably wont adopt it

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17:20 <Tank_Master> wb Nickuwo

17:20 <Nickuwo> hwy

17:20 <Nickuwo> Tank

17:21 <Nickuwo> hey even

17:21 <Tank_Master> :)

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17:25 <Tank_Master>

17:25 <Romulus> <> (at

17:26 <zombie67> freakin' filarious

17:26 <zombie67> hilarious even

17:26 <zombie67>

17:26 <Romulus> Title: Volvo drivers (at

17:26 <zombie67> So we know the enemy: What to do? The worst excesses of the Volvo styling department can be mitigated by careful positioning. A good position for a Volvo is the far side of the horizon behind you. To facilitate this end I recommend the purchase of an environmentally disastrous mode of personal transport ? the kind that makes the sea level rise a foot every time you change down for a bend. We?re talking the kind of car where yo

17:26 <zombie67> u fill it up and every sheik in Saudi rushes out to buy a new palace. Try a TVR ? they make cars for people who like to gnaw their streak straight off the cow.

17:27 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:28 <Tank_Master> re-wb

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17:46 <CoderForLife> that's good news, xcamel

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18:13 <CoderForLife> Droids?  We don't serve your kind here.  =)

18:13 <droid2> hi

18:13 <CoderForLife> welcome to #boinc, droid2

18:14 <droid2> its jack

18:14 <CoderForLife> Don, here

18:15 <PovAddict> shultz?

18:15 <droid2> i got to change the nick

18:15 <PovAddict> what weird-o client are you using?

18:15 <droid2> my g1

18:16 <droid2> thought i would get something portable before barcelona

18:16 <PovAddict> will you be liveblogging from there?

18:17 <droid2> who knows

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18:19 <droid2> this client has limitations

18:20 <droid2> its called irc radio

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18:20 <Jackygrahamez> hi

18:21 <Jackygrahamez> I loaded konversation on linux

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18:31 <Tank_Master> hows it working for ya?

18:34 <CoderForLife> lol

18:40 <xcamel> re-bak

18:41 <Tank_Master> re wb

18:41 <PovAddict> now you see it

18:41 <Romulus> Title: Anansi (at

18:42 <Tank_Master> lol

18:42 <Tank_Master> you @$$ :D

18:45 <PovAddict> now you don't

18:46 <Tank_Master> not loading...

18:46 <PovAddict> exactly

18:47 <Tank_Master> heh

18:50 <yomshleeshee> Although...

18:51 <PovAddict> huh, interesting

18:51 <Tank_Master> having fun are we?

18:51 <yomshleeshee> he started it

18:51 <Tank_Master> oh, while your ther, why not give yourself 1 million credits and export it?

18:51 <PovAddict> I can't "get there" anymore

18:52 <xcamel> neither one loads..

18:52 <xcamel> you killed them.

18:52 <Tank_Master> POV!

18:52 * CoderForLife looks away to his other development system

18:52 <Tank_Master> :D

18:52 <yomshleeshee> lol

18:53 <PovAddict> hey CoderForLife, want a security test? :)

18:53 <CoderForLife> no - I've had all the security discussion I want for one day

18:53 <PovAddict> lol

18:54 <xcamel> how about some insecurity discussions for a change of pace...

18:54 <CoderForLife> bad day at w@#%

18:54 <PovAddict>

18:54 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #16564 (at

18:55 <CoderForLife> heh

18:56 <CoderForLife> now I'm sending an e-mail to Mom, reporting on my visit to the dietician on Monday - I forgot to report in

18:56 <Tank_Master> BOFH excuse 311 of 450: transient bus protocol violation

18:56 <CoderForLife> Mothers never stop being mothers

18:56 <xcamel> you really have no life, eh PoV?

18:57 <PovAddict> why?

18:57 <xcamel>

18:57 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #16564 (at

18:57 <xcamel> self evident..

18:57 <PovAddict> reading = no life?

18:59 <xcamel> [NNTN] Disease shortage affects millions

19:00 <xcamel>

19:00 <Romulus> Title: The Daily Week (at

19:02 <PovAddict> well the govt is working on that, aren't they?

19:05 <xcamel> they have the corner on the anencephalic market.

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19:18 <quail> &wx ypad

19:18 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 8:30 AM CST; Unknown. High:62 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Chance of Rain. High:64 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.;

19:18 <quail> 'morning, how's everyone?

19:19 <xcamel> 'lo Q

19:34 *** kathryn_ is now known as KathrynM

19:34 <KathrynM> what to use as a photo manager on Linux?

19:34 <KathrynM> digikam is being stupid as of late

19:51 <quail> KathrynM: try gthumb

19:57 <KathrynM> thanks quail trying now

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22:14 <CoderForLife> spent the evening Coding - gn all

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22:41 <Tank_Master> gn CFL

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23:28 <quail> KathrynM: how gthumb going?

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