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00:41 <efc> I say we string him up!

00:41 <Tank_Master> sounds good to me

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00:42 <Tank_Master> still not everyone is back

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00:44 <Tank_Master> thats better

00:44 <Tank_Master>

00:44 <Romulus> <> (at

00:47 <PovAddict> string me up? :O

00:48 <efc> US redneck equivilent of the villagers storming Frankenstein's castle

00:49 <PovAddict> but I'm a good guy...

00:49 <efc> But Tank_Master said...

00:49 <PovAddict> I only hacked a new project's server till I got root, then fired a forkbomb out of boredom

00:50 <PovAddict> the website is still inaccessible

00:50 <Tank_Master> your so kind

00:51 <PovAddict> yeah

00:51 <PovAddict> so why string me up?

00:51 <Tank_Master> lol

00:52 <Tank_Master> cus of the massive netsplit

00:52 <PovAddict> it wasn't me!

00:52 <PovAddict> ...this time

00:53 <Tank_Master> :D

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06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 54.3F / 12.4C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the mid 70s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog early in the morning. Low in the lower 50s. East wind around 5 mph.; Friday - Sunny. Patchy fog through mid morning. High in the (1 more message)

06:24 <wdsmia> &more

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: mid 70s. East wind around 5 mph.;

06:24 <hawmps> 'lo

06:24 <wdsmia> mornin

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08:54 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 57.5F / 14.2C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Patchy fog this morning. Sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest around 5 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. West winds around 5 (1 more message)

08:54 <hawmps> &more

08:54 <Romulus> hawmps: mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Friday - Patchy fog in the morning. Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. North winds around 5 mph.;

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12:50 <hawmps> damn what a beautiful day...

13:05 <yomshleeshee> here too. unless that was sarcasm

13:05 <yomshleeshee> high ~80F. though my 6:30am bike ride was quite cold o.O

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13:16 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

13:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 65.5F / 18.6C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with isolated showers in the morning. Partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs around 75. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 50 to 55. Light wind.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with (1 more message)

13:16 <Tank_Master> &more

13:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: a slight chance of rain. Highs around 75. Light wind.;

13:17 <Tank_Master> mostly cloudy? showers?

13:17 <Tank_Master> theres nothing but blue skies out there...

13:18 <yomshleeshee> nice

13:19 <yomshleeshee> &stl

13:19 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: I dunno.

13:19 <yomshleeshee> hmm

13:19 <yomshleeshee> &63132

13:19 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: No idea!

13:19 <yomshleeshee> &wx stl

13:19 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: Temperature: 77F / 25C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1020hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy. High around 80. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low around 60. Light wind.; Friday - Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. High around 80. Light wind in the morning (1 more message)

13:19 <yomshleeshee> more

13:19 <Tank_Master> its &more

13:19 <yomshleeshee> &more

13:19 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: becoming east around 10 mph in the afternoon.;

13:19 <yomshleeshee> typos :-/

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13:36 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 63.7F / 17.6C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid to upper 60s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of light rain or drizzle after midnight. Lows in the 50s. South wind to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly (1 more message)

13:36 <FreeLarry58> &more

13:36 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: cloudy. A chance of light rain or drizzle in the morning. Highs in the mid 60s to lower 70s. South wind to 10 mph in the morning becoming light.;

13:37 <FreeLarry58> humm bright sunshine with it raining from partial light clouds

13:37 <FreeLarry58> guess it seattle trying to figure out its own mind

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15:40 <revealed> Hello Everyone! Can someone please guide me to a website for reporting a bug with the Linux client? Many thanks in advance.

15:41 <PovAddict> mention it here, and if it's really a bug I'll add it

15:42 <revealed> Oh cool! i will describe it now.. will take a moment.

15:42 <PovAddict> I think bug reporting was temporarily turned off for the general public because of spam (or was it just putting comments on bugs? I don't remember)

15:44 <revealed> I am using openSuSE 11.1 and i got rid of the older client version and freshly installed the 6.6.36; (binary installer). And in past when i ran run_manager it started the "boinc --redirectio --launched_by_manager" automatically with user privilegies. This doesnt work since the new version. (Only as SU)?

15:44 <revealed> Do you need more info?

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15:45 <revealed> Ok thats quite understandable if it is due to spamming.

15:46 <PovAddict> hmm

15:46 <PovAddict> you were previously using a SuSE package?

15:47 <revealed> I tryed a rpm in past but this needs more fixing.

15:47 <revealed> ;)

15:47 <PovAddict> the suse package is *horrible*, it runs the client as root

15:47 <PovAddict> giant security hole

15:48 <revealed> I dont know but i dont want to run a rcscript for BOINC. I like it if i am able to turn it on for 100 % on demand. And also off.

15:48 <PovAddict> so now where did you get boinc from?

15:48 <PovAddict> the self-extracting archive from BOINC website?

15:49 <revealed> From the official website the ls -al /home/disk/

15:49 <revealed> -rw-r--r-- 1 disk users 3887600  1. Sep 21:00 /home/disk/

15:49 <PovAddict> well, that will work

15:49 <PovAddict> but you can't reuse the data directory that the suse-packaged BOINC used

15:50 <PovAddict> or maybe you could, but you have to fix permissions first

15:50 <revealed> I removed all boinc related things prior to installing this binary

15:50 <revealed> i am not using the BOINC rpm

15:51 <revealed> I checked Permission already. Means running with root privilegies works.

15:51 <PovAddict> if running as root works but running as user doesn't, then your permissions are wrong

15:51 <revealed> But thats a security problem. I set 755 for directorys. And 644 for files +x

15:51 <revealed> -R

15:52 <PovAddict> you should NEVER EVER run BOINC as root

15:52 <revealed> yes :)

15:52 <PovAddict> who *owns* the boinc client executable?

15:52 <revealed> my user is named "disk"

15:52 <revealed> disk.users

15:52 <revealed> chowned recursively

15:53 <revealed> ldd shows everything was fine

15:54 <revealed> do you know that run_manager started this subprocess in past? "boinc --redirectio --launched_by_manager"

15:54 <PovAddict> yes of course, the manager alone doesn't do anything

15:55 <revealed> The funny is that if i start this process from a terminal as user this works. Its just that run_manager doesnt start this.

15:55 <PovAddict> ohh wait, I know what's going on...

15:55 <revealed> yes?

15:55 <PovAddict> yeah, I already reported this on the boinc mailing list

15:55 <PovAddict> explained in full detail what part of the code was wrong, and how it was interacting badly with the rest to cause the problem of the manager not starting the client

15:55 <PovAddict> and I was ignored

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15:56 <revealed> Oh :(

15:56 <revealed> Are you using Linux too?

15:57 <PovAddict> yes, but I run the client all the time as a background process

15:57 <revealed> ah i c. Hm i worked it around with a

15:57 <PovAddict> and only start the manager when I want to monitor stuff or change stuff

15:58 <PovAddict> also, technically I don't run BOINC...

15:58 <Romulus> Title: synecdoche - Project Hosting on Google Code (at

15:58 <PovAddict> anyway, starting the client manually first, then the manager, should work

15:58 <revealed> so actually if i start pre_run_manager (bashscript) it checks with "ps" for the process to be existing if not or if it kills or not and then starts it and the run_manager.

15:58 <revealed> Kill because prohibiting double instances

15:59 <revealed> due to cross scripting.

15:59 <revealed> Do you knoe if this is a dropped feature? Should i use a RC Script??

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16:00 <PovAddict> I don't know if they don't care, or they ignored my passive-aggressive tone in the bug report

16:00 <PovAddict> :P

16:01 <revealed> Ah so you got an alternative.

16:03 <revealed> Can you give me an advice? Can you report this or add that i got that issue too? Or would you need more info? Or are we actually done?

16:05 <PovAddict> I replied to my own message saying someone else is being affected by the problem

16:05 <PovAddict> btw, I think the problem is actually fixed in the latest code

16:05 <revealed> if you want you can tell them it was "revealed" from which is having the same issue.

16:05 <PovAddict> but they never made another 6.6 release

16:05 <PovAddict> they're busy with more hype-worthy things

16:06 <revealed> ok. Is there a way to have a public view on that report, please?

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16:06 <PovAddict> like ATI GPU spport

16:06 <revealed> Do they?

16:06 <revealed> CUDA?

16:06 <Romulus> Somebody said CUDA is graphics, revealed

16:07 <PovAddict> CUDA is "supported" since 6.4

16:07 <revealed> That would be cool for opensource radeon :) :D

16:07 <PovAddict> ATI will be supported in 6.10

16:07 <revealed> youre not joking?

16:07 <PovAddict> but so far half the users are reporting *the client doesn't work at all* in that version

16:07 <revealed> I was asking at xorg mailing lists already for this.

16:08 <PovAddict> oh you need working ATI drivers already

16:08 <revealed> Yes i got the opensource radeon driver :)

16:08 <revealed> Or will you need fglrx? (Propretary)

16:09 <PovAddict> I don't know anything about ATI cards

16:09 <revealed> ok. Are you interested?

16:10 <PovAddict> no, because I have an nvidia card

16:10 <revealed> :D

16:10 <revealed> Ok so i probably will just have to wait for a new version...

16:10 <MTughan> I would imagine you need fglrx.

16:11 <MTughan> Once OpenCL becomes more popular, the open source drivers should support it. I can't see them supporting ATI Stream.

16:11 <revealed> Ok. Thats sad somehow if only FGLRX users could compute for BOINC. I cant use fglrx because my X1950 was dropped to legacy drivers. And these dont work good with latest xorg.

16:12 <MTughan> The X1950 wouldn't have support anyway.

16:12 <MTughan> HD3xxx and later.

16:12 <revealed> ah ok.

16:13 <revealed> I recently had seen a Nvidia (9500 gt ) about 50 €....

16:13 <PovAddict> I think you'd need more than that too

16:13 <PovAddict> like brook libraries

16:13 <PovAddict> or whatever it's called

16:13 <MTughan> They don't use Brook+ anymore.

16:13 <PovAddict> just like having a graphics driver for an nvidia card doesn't mean you can run CUDA

16:13 <MTughan> Stream is similar, but different.

16:14 <revealed> what card would work with CUDA?

16:14 <MTughan>

16:14 <Romulus> <> (at

16:14 <MTughan> Looks like anything from the 8100 or the 8400M on.

16:15 <revealed> ah ok so if i would spend 50 € for a new 9600 gt which is actually (faster) than my relatively new X1950 XTX

16:15 <revealed> as the Market went significantyl faster....

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16:16 <revealed> i could use cuda with a card using less power and is lower in size.

16:16 <MTughan> The Radeon HD4850s are pretty cheap too, I hear.

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16:17 <revealed> I cant spend so much. I remember my card was about 500 €. :(

16:18 <revealed> And it is just hot and  was horrible problematic with linux before the open source driver appeared with this quality.

16:19 <revealed> And it is of 26 centimetres length. And loud, too.

16:19 <MTughan> I can pick up a Radeon HD4850 for ~$150 CAD.

16:19 <MTughan> I have a 4870 in this machine, that cost me ~$330 CAD when it first came out.

16:20 <revealed> nice.

16:20 <revealed> I wouldnt be able to spend more than 50 euro.

16:21 <revealed> Many thanks for your assistance and the chat! I will have to switch to #tv-viewer irc now. See you!

16:22 <revealed> Thank you! :)

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16:46 <quail> 'morning sleepy heads

16:47 <quail> &wx ypad

16:47 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM CST; Unknown. High:53 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:51 F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F.; Clear. High:60 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F.;

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16:55 <Tank_Master> afternoon quail

16:57 <quail> hows everyone?

16:58 <Tank_Master> good

17:01 <CoderForLife> plink - fishing for phpMyAdmin and keyhandler.js on website URLs

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17:08 <Tank_Master> howdy CFL

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17:13 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master

17:15 <xcamel_> 'lo

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17:27 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:27 <Tank_Master> re-wb

17:28 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large Carp

17:28 * Tank_Master smacks wdsmia with a red Swingline stapler

17:29 <Tank_Master> hey, those lines are the same length... :P

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17:59 <freakazoid0223> is anybody else here having running boinc in X?

17:59 <freakazoid0223> truble that is

17:59 <freakazoid0223> trouble even

18:00 <freakazoid0223> 03-Sep-2009 21:53:59 [---] Can't load library libcudart when i try to start it from the cli

18:01 <freakazoid0223> it used to show up in gnome/kde everytime

18:03 <PovAddict> if you don't have CUDA drivers/libraries, don't have a CUDA-enabled nvidia graphics card, or don't care about using it for processing, ignore the "error"

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18:34 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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18:36 <CoderForLife> &more

18:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph.;

18:36 <Tank_Master> lol

18:36 <CoderForLife> mph to you too Rommie

18:36 <Tank_Master> not much more

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19:09 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 71.7F / 22.1C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Low in the lower 50s. Northeast wind near 10 mph.; Friday - Sunny. Patchy fog through mid morning. High in the upper 70s. East wind near 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

19:09 <wdsmia> &more

19:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: clear. Low in the mid 50s. East wind near 5 mph through midnight becoming light.;

19:11 <wdsmia> Back from being drug around the block by the idiot

19:11 <PovAddict> lol

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19:12 <Tank_Master> hi jack

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19:13 <Jackygrahamez> hu Tank_Master

19:13 <Jackygrahamez> hi Tank_Master

19:13 <Tank_Master> :)

19:14 <Tank_Master> hows the project comming along?

19:14 <Jackygrahamez> trying to compile this api now

19:14 <Tank_Master> ahh, fun...

19:15 <Jackygrahamez> Pov pointed out that my problem was the code was written in c and sertain functions are not supported in c

19:15 <Jackygrahamez> certain

19:15 <Tank_Master> ahh

19:15 <Jackygrahamez> so anyhow some of my code is in cpp...maybe I can put the cpp functions in the cpp files :-)

19:16 <Tank_Master> cpp as in c++?

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20:14 <CoderForLife> gn

20:17 <xcamel> yea! finally cut some hay...

20:17 <Tank_Master> ?

20:18 <Tank_Master> that anything like cutting cheese?

20:36 <freakazoid0223> has anyone run a boinc project on an ion based comp?

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20:36 <MTughan> zombie67 has at least. Not sure about anyone else.

20:37 <freakazoid0223> was he happy with it?

20:38 <MTughan> Don't remember. I think he was.

20:38 <MTughan> &help last

20:38 <Romulus> MTughan: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a net!@#& the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)

20:38 <MTughan> &last --with atom

20:38 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.

20:42 <freakazoid0223> thanks, I'll see what I can google

20:46 <Tank_Master> freakazoid0223, I have a non ion atom comp

20:47 <freakazoid0223> thanks but I'm trying to fund out how well the ion crunches

20:47 <efc> I was looking for that info too

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20:48 <PovAddict> speak of the devil

20:49 <Tank_Master> my atom got 1,125 rac in 64bit ABC

20:50 <efc> I ran mine on seti@home (non ion)

20:50 <Tank_Master> the geforce 9300 the ion has isnt going to get you much, its below the deadline requirnment for gpugrid

20:51 <efc> It seems like the flops per watt ought to be pretty good, if the project can use the 9300

20:51 <efc> You don't expect it to be much of a cruncher but if its serving as a router etc it might be a nice little bonus

20:55 <freakazoid0223> Ion 2, as Nvidia's Ion successor is currently called, is said to be released this year with twice as much shaders and smaller chip architecture. :,689204/Nvidia-Ion-2-said-to-come-this-year-with-doubled-shaders/News/

20:55 <Romulus> <> (at

20:55 <zombie67> TM, you saw that ABC added a second app that is not, er, 64 bit friendly.  And no easy way to select which tasks you get.

20:58 <Tank_Master> yes, I did

20:58 <Tank_Master> im running aqua now on the atom though

21:10 <zombie67> good use!

21:10 <zombie67> for some reason, only my HT machines (including the atom) can successfully crunch amelegrid

21:11 <zombie67> any ideas why?

21:15 <Tank_Master> they can set a minimum number of cores...

21:15 <Tank_Master> perhaps they done want to run on single core systems for some reason?

21:44 <zombie67> no

21:44 <zombie67> my 8-core machines do not work

21:44 <zombie67> my 4 core HT machine does work

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