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06:52 <quail> <= wrecked
07:09 <kathryn__> gonna update my os
07:09 <kathryn__> laters
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07:50 <KathrynM> or not
07:50 <KathrynM> it'll have to wait until I can do some research on this change to ext4
07:50 <KathrynM> :/
07:50 <KathrynM> I think I'm going to have to back everything up and wipe out the whole partition table
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12:04 <Romulus> Title: OnLive: Beta Program (at www.onlive.com)
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12:26 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
12:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 72.0°F / 22.2°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1022.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Patchy fog through mid morning. High in the upper 70s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog early in the morning. Low in the mid 50s. East wind near 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. (1 more message)
12:27 <wdsmia> &more
12:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Patchy fog through mid morning. High in the upper 70s. Southeast wind near 10 mph.;
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13:42 <ergZay> so how long until boinc supports GPU calculation on mac os x
13:42 <ergZay> seeing as snow leopard is out
13:42 <ergZay> with open cl
13:45 <Tank_Master> seeing as how sl just came out, and the low number of people who use it, it may take a bit
13:46 <Tank_Master> getting ATI support on windows and unix is what they are currently working on I believe, though there are new mac builds wich may also be including these changes
13:46 <Tank_Master> what version of BOI are you running?
13:46 <Tank_Master> BOINC*
13:47 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
13:48 <Tank_Master> oh, and BOIN dose not use openCL at all for any platform
13:48 <Tank_Master> BOINC*
13:49 <Tank_Master> just CUDA and CAL
13:49 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master with a C key
13:50 * Tank_Master throws a keyboard at wdsmia
13:50 * wdsmia ducks
13:50 <Tank_Master> where?
13:57 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: why would it use opencl?
13:58 <Tank_Master> ?
13:58 <Tank_Master> I said it doesnt
13:58 <Tank_Master> ergZay was pointing out that snowleopard supports OCL
13:59 <PovAddict> what would be the point in using it?
13:59 <Tank_Master> would work on both ATI and nvidia?
13:59 <Tank_Master> I dunno
13:59 <PovAddict> all BOINC needs to do is detect that a GPU exists
13:59 <PovAddict> project science apps can ALREADY use OpenCL if they want to
13:59 <Tank_Master> why do you think I want it?
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14:25 <PovAddict> KathrynM: why do you want to go ext4?
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15:36 <jasong> Okay, totally ignorant question, assume I know almost nothing about the subject. ATI is about to release a card with 1600 shaders, the GDDR5 is supposed to be 1.25Ghz, 2.5Ghz, and 5Ghz, but I'm not sure what's going into the card with 1600 shaders. How much do shaders affect computing ability for science apps?
15:36 <Tank_Master> depends on the app, but generally the more the better
15:37 <Tank_Master> 1600 shaders is 2x the 48xx series
15:37 <Tank_Master> you can think of shaders and processing threads
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15:37 <jasong> But, in terms of work done, graphics cards tend to be cheaper for the projects that bother to make GPU apps, right?
15:38 <Tank_Master> for the output, tones
15:38 <Tank_Master> a 4850 wich you can get for about $100, can get about 60k RAC on milkyway
15:39 <jasong> What about Folding@Home? How does that compare to a Core2Duo?
15:39 <Tank_Master> the 5850(or whatever the slower one is) should be about 100k a day id say
15:39 <Tank_Master> folding is a project
15:39 <Tank_Master> core2duo is a cou
15:40 <Tank_Master> cpu*
15:40 <jasong> Sorry, phrased the question badly, I meant how does a C2D compare to that card you mentioned in Folding@Home
15:41 <jasong> brb, drink
15:41 <Tank_Master> theres no compairison
15:41 <Tank_Master> the GPU wins hands down
15:42 <Tank_Master> GPUs may run at a slower clock speed, but they can run several hundered computations at once
15:45 <jasong> Last question, is there a site that touches on the problems BOINC has working with Linux? I can't even get BOINC to recognize the home directory
15:46 <jasong> I wish people would quit funding BOINC, is going to be garbage as long as Berkeley has control
15:47 <Tank_Master> that I dont know
15:47 <yomshleeshee> if it's open source, can't you just make your own version?
15:47 <Tank_Master> yes
15:47 <Tank_Master> but that doesnt mean itll be supported
15:47 <yomshleeshee> i mean isn't that like saying linux will be garbage as long as Ubuntu is in "control"?
15:47 <Tank_Master> http://boinc.ssl.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2518 <- changelog for 6.x boinc
15:48 <yomshleeshee> right I've just heard people say that, especially when they renewed their NSF grant, but I don't understand how they can have such a tough hold on it as people complain, as you just did
15:48 <yomshleeshee> I mean if I thought it sucked that bad, I'd just keep my source and ignore berkeley.edu and branch off
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15:50 <yomshleeshee> i don't know. I mean I know I had troubles and growing pains when I started my project, I don't think it was due to berkeley/Anderson being in charge. but maybe my perspective's different
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15:52 <PovAddict> <yomshleeshee> if it's open source, can't you just make your own version?
15:52 <PovAddict> we already did
15:53 <yomshleeshee> ok, so then what's the complaing about berkeley about then?
15:53 <Tank_Master> some of it got ported back into the main BOINC build to
15:53 <PovAddict> some of what?
15:53 <Tank_Master> crunch3r's code
15:53 <Tank_Master> for ATI support
15:54 <PovAddict> he made it specifically for that purpose
15:54 <PovAddict> giving it to BOINC
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16:59 <jasong> Yahoo Finance is crap
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17:12 <Tank_Master> anything yahoo is :P
17:35 <jasong> One of the most popular searches on Yahoo is cupachabra, or however you spell it
17:36 <jasong> What would you recommend for aggregating RSS feeds?
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18:43 <jasong> Where do I put my real name so that the Freenode server will list it when someone sends an information request?
18:45 <PovAddict> pidgin? I don't know if it lets you set that
18:46 <jasong> Ahhh, just the man I was looking for, I was told I should talk to you about Linux synecdoche
18:46 <jasong> Do you think it's ready for primetime? Or at least more ready than regular BOINC?
18:47 <jasong> h,mmm, switching to the other channel
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18:57 <Romulus> Title: Flickr: NASA Desert RATS' Photostream (at www.flickr.com)
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19:14 <jasong> My boinc client says no cuda devices found. I have no knowledge of what kind of graphics card I have, but assuming I want to crunch on it, what's the next step? Is the fact that it says no CUDA devices mean I should just immediately give up?
19:14 <jasong> err, does the fact...
19:15 <PovAddict> first step is figuring out what kind of graphics card you have
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19:15 <jasong> brb
19:25 <PovAddict> jasong: don't you know the brand at least?
19:25 <PovAddict> nvidia or ati?
19:26 <jasong> not sure, it's been a while, just a sec I'll ask my father if he knows
19:26 <desti> lspci
19:26 <PovAddict> what OS?
19:26 <Romulus> hmm... what OS is it, PovAddict
19:26 <PovAddict> Romulus: die in a fire
19:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: No idea!
19:26 <PovAddict> also
19:26 <PovAddict> forget what OS
19:26 <Romulus> 10-4.
19:27 <jasong> It's Fedora 11
19:27 <PovAddict> lspci
19:27 <jasong> oh, sorry
19:29 <PovAddict> running lspci here tells me "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)"
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19:52 <KathrynM> ouchy.
19:52 <KathrynM> jasong, I'm still working on it.
19:53 <KathrynM> how did you install BOINC
19:57 <Tank_Master> o0
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19:58 <zombie67> nqueens has an odd credit method.
19:58 <zombie67> quorum of 2
19:58 <zombie67> lesser claim x2 is the award
19:59 <PovAddict> credits are absolutely broken by now
19:59 <zombie67> have you ever seen the multiplier used against the lesser of the two claims?
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20:06 <jasong> You know how when you call tech support, one of the things they ask you is if the computer is plugged in?
20:06 * jasong hangs head in shame
20:07 <jasong> my laptop has been out of commission for about two weeks
20:07 <jasong> Guess why?
20:07 <PovAddict> empty battery
20:07 <jasong> The plug in the wall is in a very hard to see place
20:07 <jasong> and, yes, I feel like a moron
20:07 <PovAddict> &grab jasong
20:07 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
20:08 <quail> 'morning all
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20:20 <quail> &wx ypad
20:20 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 61Â°F / 16Â°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM CST; Unknown. High:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:51 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:64 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:64 ° F.; Clear. Low:48 ° F.;
20:21 <yomshleeshee> hey
20:21 <yomshleeshee> where's ypad?
20:22 <PovAddict> &zipinfo ypad
20:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: Zip code must be a 5-digit integer.
20:22 <PovAddict> &airport ypad
20:22 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: I couldn't find ypad in airport.
20:22 <quail> yomshleeshee: Adelaide Airport
20:22 <yomshleeshee> oh, ok
20:38 <zombie67> MT: any word on CUDA drivers for OSX?
20:38 <zombie67> I have a couple of macs with CUDA GPUs
20:40 <Tank_Master> oh, zombie67, are you using 6.10.3 on those SL macs?
20:40 <zombie67> speak of the devil, a second project just moved to 2x lesser of claimed. http://abcathome.com/forum_thread.php?id=453#10424
20:41 <PovAddict> I smell credit inflation
20:41 <Tank_Master> theres apparently some compatibility iddues fixed in that build for OSx 10.6
20:41 <zombie67> TM, I hav't upgraded to SL yet.
20:41 <zombie67> why?
20:41 <PovAddict> let's bomb some servers
20:41 <Tank_Master> ahh, I thought you had, my bad :P
20:41 <zombie67> pov, that change at ABC was to just bring them back to where they used to be
20:41 <zombie67> no inflation
20:41 <PovAddict> why did they go down?
20:42 <PovAddict> wasn't "where they used to be" too high?
20:42 <zombie67> they introduced a new app
20:42 <Tank_Master> different app
20:42 <PovAddict> maybe the old app was giving too much
20:42 <PovAddict> how does one know?
20:42 <zombie67> with the old ABC app, they had a curved scale before
20:42 <Tank_Master> PovAddict - for 32bit, no, but for 64bit, it was 2x the 32bit cus your doing 2x the work...
20:42 <PovAddict> ah yes, that curve that made no sense at all
20:42 <Tank_Master> that to
20:43 <Tank_Master> they used the curve to help prevent people from aborting the long WUs
20:43 <zombie67> but even without the curve, the 64 bit was 2x faster
20:43 <PovAddict> they CAN'T do that because of cross-project parity
20:43 <PovAddict> what if I choose to give 2x to keep people from aborting one thing or another...
20:43 <PovAddict> I'd give 2x more than other projects
20:44 <zombie67> it is not 2x credits, it is 2x faster
20:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: I'm talking about the curve
20:44 <Tank_Master> the 64bit did the WU in 1/2 the time
20:44 <Tank_Master> and got the same credit
20:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: if a 2x longer WU gave 3x credits "to keep people from aborting them", then those long WUs are giving 1.5x more credits than other projects
20:45 <zombie67> pov, the curve makes as much sense as some of the other nonsense
20:45 <PovAddict> the only solution is dropping cross-project parity officially, then project credits aren't competing against anyone but themselves, and there is no harm if they do that...
20:45 <PovAddict> projects can choose to pay more for what they need more without having to worry about the other projects
20:46 <zombie67> pov, you are preaching to the choir. You know that.
20:47 <zombie67> in any case, ABC has been using the method for a couple years now.
20:47 <Tank_Master> I just run wich ever project offer good credit
20:47 <PovAddict> ^ I rest my case
20:47 <Tank_Master> rt now that AQUA on the CPU and collatz on my CUDA
20:48 <PovAddict> I can't believe some still say that people don't move between projects following the high credits
20:48 <zombie67> i work for mega milestones, which forces me to crunch crap projects.
20:48 <Tank_Master> and I dont, so I dont have that issue anymore :D
20:49 <Tank_Master> but yeah, it depends on the goal of the person crunching
20:49 <Tank_Master> not DA or the project admin
20:52 <zombie67> it turns out that 2xlowerclaim is usually about my machine's claim
20:52 <zombie67> sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.
20:57 <jasong> Can't a project simply say,"Mr. Anderson is an ass, I don't give a flying f*** about cross-project parity."
21:00 <zombie67> sure
21:06 <zombie67> gerasim is gone?
21:08 <zombie67> finally broke 1M in malaria control, and 500k in virtual prarie
21:15 <zombie67> is MW issuing work for ATI, like CUDA works, with 6.10?
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21:35 <zombie67> Anansi is back up....
21:35 <zombie67> is it secure now?
21:35 <zombie67> pov/
21:35 <zombie67> ?
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21:45 <zombie67> they have a new key, which is requiring me to detach/reattach
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22:08 <zombie67> looks like mindmodeling will be eventually back after all
22:08 <zombie67> going to be buying a new server
22:22 <PovAddict> jasong: they can say "I don't give a flying f*** about cross-project parity." but they need to make that VERY clear
22:22 <PovAddict> and make really sure that, for example, stats sites don't add their credits to any "total"
22:23 <PovAddict> and make sure users know the credits aren't even meant to be comparable
22:25 <zombie67> no, no need to make the stats do (or not do) anything.
22:25 <PovAddict> yes you do
22:25 <PovAddict> if stats sites add project A and project B and say "this is your total", then they are assuming A and B credits are comparable
22:25 <zombie67> it is up to the stat sites if they chose to carry a project stats, or not
22:25 <PovAddict> if they are not, you can't add them
22:26 <zombie67> again, that is up to the stat sites
22:26 <zombie67> it is not up to a project, to demand how stats sites carry them or not
22:27 * PovAddict wants a real project to use his ideas on
22:27 <zombie67> take over RS
22:27 <zombie67> stat sites and projects are completely independent
22:27 <PovAddict> also
22:27 <PovAddict> we just got our asses kicked
22:28 <zombie67> oh?
22:28 <zombie67> in what way?
22:28 <Romulus> Somebody said in what way is that WAY better than what I already have, zombie67
22:28 <PovAddict> Brazil 3 - 1 Argentina
22:28 <zombie67> ah
22:28 <zombie67> football?
22:28 <PovAddict> yep
22:28 <zombie67> I am watching college football, the beter kind
22:34 <zombie67> forget in what way?
22:34 <Romulus> Gotcha!
22:46 <zombie67> my list of computers on anansi, shows a machine that is not mine
22:48 <PovAddict> o_o
22:48 <PovAddict> link?
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22:57 <KathrynM> stupid cats
22:57 <KathrynM> came home to my apartment floor covered in food.
22:57 <PovAddict> pulled cable?
22:57 <PovAddict> lol
22:57 <KathrynM> Ivory got up on the counter and pulled down the bag.
22:57 <KathrynM> both then proceeded to chew through the plastic to get it opne
22:58 <KathrynM> and X crashed or something
22:58 <PovAddict> I'd say smart cats then
22:58 <KathrynM> naughty cats
22:58 <PovAddict> "Beware of the cat"
22:59 <KathrynM> and when two of them get together....... eek
23:00 <KathrynM> as to why ext4. I think F11 requires it now
23:00 <KathrynM> I got into a loop where it would put / on an ext3 partition so when I tried to format it as ext4 then it told me it couldn't boot off an ext4 partition
23:00 <KathrynM> I tried to make a boot partiton but I have having issues resizing and I gave up
23:01 <KathrynM> I'm going to try the upgrade with the DVD rather than the clean install with the LiveCD like I used to do
23:01 <PovAddict> heh, that was needed back when you couldn't boot from ext3
23:01 <PovAddict> /boot in ext2
23:01 <PovAddict> looks like we've come full circle?
23:01 <KathrynM> dunno
23:01 <KathrynM> I got to frustrated and said screw it
23:02 <KathrynM> too even
23:02 <PovAddict> "Beware of the English teacher"?
23:02 <PovAddict> *ducks*
23:02 <KathrynM> yup
23:02 <KathrynM> :D
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23:03 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #71947 (at qdb.us)
23:04 <KathrynM> lol
23:04 <KathrynM> my brother's cat chews power cords
23:16 <PovAddict> I'm suffering the Tetris Effect
23:17 <Romulus> Title: Tetris effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:29 <PovAddict> which isn't yours?
23:30 <PovAddict> also, did he mark the project non-cpu-intensive?
23:30 <zombie67> no, he didn't fix that yet
23:30 <PovAddict> "Copyright Â© 2009 REPLACE WITH COPYRIGHT HOLDER"
23:30 <zombie67> #21 is the not=mine
23:31 <zombie67> remember how I told you I was the team founder for an AMD team, and that is an AMD machine
23:31 <PovAddict> well, isn't it one that you *used* to have back in Nov 2008?
23:32 <zombie67> never
23:32 <zombie67> I don't have a AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor
23:33 <zombie67> the name is dn07
23:33 <zombie67> not any of my machines
23:34 <zombie67> I am still the founder for AMD Users
23:34 <Tank_Master> I have a c2q 9750
23:34 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: what were you doing on his account?
23:34 <PovAddict> :P
23:34 <Tank_Master> lol
23:34 <Tank_Master> who's?
23:34 <Tank_Master> what?
23:35 <Tank_Master> not mine, I dont use crappy linux
23:35 <Tank_Master> and I dont use AMD either