IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-09-16

00:00 <Tank_Master> :D

00:00 <PovAddict> there's no point in having CUDA at all at this point

00:00 <Tank_Master> why?

00:01 <PovAddict> see crunch3r's rant...

00:01 <zombie67> the goal of the project seems very scatter shot

00:01 <Tank_Master> who sais you must have a cpu app before gpu? other than crunch3r

00:08 <zombie67> go with what you know

00:08 <zombie67> if you know CPU app programming, and still have a problem getting THAT right...

00:16 <zombie67> does osx have a buit in vnc client?

00:17 <zombie67> I thought that was a recent enhancement?

00:27 <zombie67> ichat?!

00:27 <PovAddict> ?

00:28 <PovAddict> what about it?

00:29 <zombie67>

00:29 <Romulus> Title: How to Setup VNC on Mac OS X - wikiHow (at

00:29 <PovAddict> well, I remember NetMeeting had screen sharing too

00:32 <zombie67> found it:  Screen

00:34 <zombie67> A lovestruck Romeo sings the streets a serenade

00:34 <zombie67> Laying everybody low with a love song that he made

00:34 <zombie67> Finds a streetlight steps out of the shade

00:34 <zombie67> Says something like, "You and me babe, how about it?"

00:38 <zombie67> Screen sucks compared to Chicken of the VNC, which sucks

00:40 <PovAddict> &grab zombie67

00:40 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:40 <Tank_Master> lol

00:41 <zombie67> aparrently there is no other OSX VNC client

00:42 <zombie67> free, that is

00:42 <zombie67> vine is pay

00:55 <MTughan> zombie67: JollysFastVNC

00:55 <MTughan>

00:55 <Romulus> Title: JollysFastVNC (at

00:59 <zombie67> thanks MT.  Is JF going to be free when out of test?  I can't tell?

00:59 <MTughan> AFAIK.

01:00 <MTughan> I switch between JollysFastVNC and Chicken of the VNC. I usually use COTV though.

01:04 <zombie67> ooooh!  ancy copy/paste works!

01:04 <zombie67> and

01:04 <zombie67> i found a new Jesus!

01:04 <PovAddict> &grab zombie67

01:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

01:07 <zombie67> MT, you just made my (boinc) life 50% less difficult!

01:07 <MTughan> Heh, np

01:07 <MTughan> GUIRPC not doing it for you?

01:08 <zombie67> sphincter says what?

01:08 <efc> Chicken of the VNC.... You know you have too many forks when..

01:08 <MTughan> Where you can use a manager on one machine to connect to and control the CC on another computer.

01:08 <zombie67> let's put a pin in that

01:09 <zombie67> the problem with CotVNC is the no copy/paste

01:09 <zombie67> but that was the ONLY option

01:09 <MTughan> efc: Well, it's an OS X only client IIRC.

01:10 <zombie67> when is 6.10.5 going to be out?

01:10 <efc> I have RealVNC here but I don't use it a lot

01:11 <PovAddict> I'm tempted to say "when it's done" but that would be lying

01:11 <zombie67> Crunch3r is already putting something by that number out there

01:11 <PovAddict> where?

01:11 <zombie67> realvnc is what I use for server side on my windows machines

01:12 <MTughan> I use TightVNC for the server on my Windows machine.

01:12 <MTughan> OS X's built-in VNC server on the Mac.

01:13 <efc> Even with 100 mb ethernet its not perfectly responsive but its good enough for what I do

01:13 <PovAddict> TightVNC has JPEG compression

01:15 <PovAddict> zombie67: where is crunch3r putting a 6.10.5?

01:16 <efc> I think the GUI API calls end up being the bottlenecks on both ends

01:16 <zombie67> i'm looking for the post.  It was several hours ago when I saw it, and I read about 80 forms/day

01:19 <zombie67>

01:19 <Romulus> <> (at

01:21 <PovAddict> that's illegal

01:21 <Tank_Master> o0

01:21 <PovAddict> where is the corresponding source code?

01:22 <zombie67> I am not trying to get anyone in trouble.  I just want the fixes that DA says will be in 6.10.5, yet he witholds.

01:23 <Tank_Master> hows it illegal?

01:24 <PovAddict> BOINC is GPL, if you distribute binaries, you have to distribute source code

01:24 <PovAddict> especially if you modified the code!

01:25 <zombie67> sergeant schultz!

01:30 <zombie67> got my 2.5m at ps3grid

01:30 <zombie67> turning off that power hog for now

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01:33 <Tidus> moo.

01:34 <zombie67> oom

01:37 <efc> Moo

01:38 <Tidus> long time no see

01:38 <efc> Whats up?

01:40 <Tidus> not a lot... just finally got off work

01:42 <efc> worked till 8:30 here

01:42 <efc> arg

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01:45 <efc> got to do a little optimizing though

01:45 <Kimahri> rofl... Now I'm on from my blackberry

01:45 <Kimahri> I have too much time on my hands I know

01:46 <Tidus> yay no longer tied to the computer

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01:46 <Tank_Master> lol

01:47 <Tidus> program in question, btw (works on any java enabled phone) is jmIrc

01:47 <Tidus> all the way down to the lowly v3 razr

01:47 <zombie67> bb = computer

01:47 <Tidus> zombie67: may as well be lol

01:47 <Tidus> except the web browser = fail

01:48 <zombie67> TRVTH

01:48 <Tidus> not quite epic fail, but close

01:48 <Tidus> on the curve 8900 it doesn't slaughter formatting nearly as bad, for instance

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04:33 <CoderForLife> beautiful

04:33 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at

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07:37 <hawmps> 'lo

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13:20 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 63.2F / 17.3C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers. Cooler with highs in the mid 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the upper 40s. Northeast winds (1 more message)

13:20 <hawmps> &more

13:20 <Romulus> hawmps: around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. Light and variable winds.;

13:21 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

13:21 <Tank_Master> &more

13:21 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 66.4F / 19.1C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy. Areas of light rain in the afternoon. Highs 70 to 75. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the evening...then (1 more message)

13:21 <Romulus> Tank_Master: partly cloudy after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the 50s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Areas of morning clouds and patchy fog then mostly sunny. Highs around 75. Light wind becoming northwest 10 mph in the afternoon.;

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16:23 <PovAddict> can anyone recommend a BitTorrent client for Linux?

16:23 <PovAddict> KTorrent really sucks

16:26 <Tank_Master> doesnt utorrent have a linux client?

16:26 <PovAddict> no

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18:06 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:06 <yomshleeshee> hey

18:11 <wdsmia> lol DA and Rom are getting roasted over at the mw boards

18:12 <PovAddict> wdsmia: collatz boards aren't any better

18:12 <wdsmia> I do agree that DA and company should not be trusted with a wet paper bag full of garbage. lol

18:13 <PovAddict> &grab wdsmia

18:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

18:13 <wdsmia> quote: DA, Rom, et al, have shown they're incapable of dealing with it.

18:13 <wdsmia> If a plumber has had 10 attempts to fix a leaky faucet in your home, but hasn't done it, do you insist that they keep coming until they fix it, or do you ask for your money back and hire someone else?

18:14 <Tidus> I'd ask for my money back and find someone else

18:14 <yomshleeshee> went to MW's website. which thread are you talking about?

18:15 <wdsmia> Message boards : Number crunching : Credit lowering

18:15 <yomshleeshee> thanks

18:16 <yomshleeshee> hmm site's busy...

18:16 <yomshleeshee> roasting = unintentional DOS

18:16 <Tidus> heh

18:17 <yomshleeshee> probably about GPU i'd suspect. will have to read later

18:18 <wdsmia> GPU? whats a GPU :P

18:18 <wdsmia>

18:18 <Romulus> <> (at

18:18 <yomshleeshee> :-o

18:18 <PovAddict> why are they insulting DA and Rom in a thread about the *project* deciding to lower credits, anyway?

18:18 <Tidus> dunno

18:19 <wdsmia> its more the hole coblestone ect thing 6 years worth lol

18:19 <yomshleeshee>

18:19 <yomshleeshee> :-P

18:19 <Romulus> <> (at

18:20 <wdsmia> good start yomshleeshee

18:21 <yomshleeshee> lol. since 2007  :-/

18:21 <PovAddict> I still think the only way is no more cross-project credits, no more "total"

18:21 <yomshleeshee> no big machines

18:21 <PovAddict> no more "BOINC combined"

18:21 <yomshleeshee> PovAddict: Agreed

18:21 * wdsmia shoots PovAddict

18:22 * yomshleeshee ducks

18:23 <wdsmia> quote: Forgive me for being hung up on original design intent. But, cross-project credit parity and accumulation was one of the few original design intents for BOINC.

18:24 <wdsmia> god I can't beleve i agree with Paul Buck lol

18:24 <PovAddict> yeah if only it was possible

18:24 <yomshleeshee> well I'm all for cross project credit, but there seems to be lack of agreement in being (or how to be) consistant

18:24 <yomshleeshee> wdsmia: lol

18:25 <yomshleeshee> so therefore based on current state of affairs cross project isn't valid

18:26 <wdsmia> quote: The only hard part is to get DA to stop patting himself on the back and to start to address the issues that plague BOINC with some engineering and not hacks and slash type fixes...

18:28 <yomshleeshee> quote: If you feel as I do, that the project here is worth while supporting, then the credits awarded are secondary. Boinc has always had credit hounds, they come, they make a noise, and they go. Yadda yadda yadda .....

18:28 <wdsmia> rofl

18:29 <wdsmia> alway love to see the total credit on people that say things like that

18:30 <yomshleeshee> yeah

18:31 <yomshleeshee> though I must say, I find credit secondary myself and crunch based on interest. and I only have O(100,000).

18:31 <yomshleeshee> but that's just me

18:31 <PovAddict> I don't even look at my total combined

18:34 <wdsmia> havent got the reading glasses yet pov? ...that small print err number is hard to read :P

18:35 * wdsmia ducks

18:35 <PovAddict> no I just don't care what it is

18:35 <PovAddict> because it's a meaningless number

18:40 <wdsmia> how much money does Warren Buffett have? who cares a meaningless number on my salary

18:40 <PovAddict> it's like saying "I have 200 USD and 200 EUR so I have 400 moneys"

18:41 <yomshleeshee> i wish I had 200 EUR right now o.O

18:42 <wdsmia> can I get a loan ...need another gpu card ;P

18:42 <PovAddict> can't you pay it in credits?

18:42 * yomshleeshee doesn't even have one :-(

18:43 <wdsmia> guess I could trade in my mega prime number

18:44 <wdsmia> should be worth a cup of coffee :P

18:44 <Romulus> <> (at

18:49 <yomshleeshee> blist

18:49 <yomshleeshee> oops

18:49 <yomshleeshee> shells :-/

18:50 <wdsmia> been there ...done it

18:50 <yomshleeshee> yeah, I don't know how I haven't done that more

18:51 <yomshleeshee> suprised I'm not flooding the channel with "ls" or "cd ..."

18:52 * wdsmia has done it with sql querys before

18:52 <yomshleeshee> nice

18:52 <PovAddict> I recently typed 'ls'

18:52 <PovAddict> when I meant 'SHOW TABLES;'

18:53 <yomshleeshee> yeah, I've done that

18:56 <wdsmia> wait till you try to op on irc using su - oracle

18:56 <yomshleeshee> nice

18:57 <PovAddict> sudo ban ...

18:57 <wdsmia> finger work faster then the mind when your tired

18:57 * yomshleeshee has never been in that position

18:58 <wdsmia> err fingers

18:58 <wdsmia> damn keyboard

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19:29 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 75.0F / 23.9C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Cooler. Low around 50. East wind near 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. High in the upper 70s. East wind around 5 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly clear. Low around 50. South wind near 5 mph.;

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19:57 <CoderForLife> e-mail from local uility: "Save on your next CFL purchase" - just so you know, I cost alot, but I do have my price

19:57 <PovAddict> &grab CoderForLife

19:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:57 <CoderForLife> =)

19:58 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs random CoderForLife

19:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: <CoderForLife> greetings boincaholics

20:00 <CoderForLife> interesting - how many of these do you have for me?

20:01 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs random CoderForLife

20:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: <CoderForLife> e-mail from local uility: "Save on your next CFL purchase" - just so you know, I cost alot, but I do have my price

20:01 <PovAddict> &quotegrabs search CoderForLife

20:01 <Romulus> PovAddict: #103: e-mail from local uility: "Save on your..., #41: you are in-sinus-uating something?, and #10: greetings boincaholics

20:01 <CoderForLife> ah

20:02 <CoderForLife> Security Is Rarely Convenient

20:02 <PovAddict> &grab CoderForLife

20:02 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

20:03 <PovAddict> although that's probably in the other quote plugin :P

20:03 <CoderForLife> um - how do I say this...  Can I grab myself?

20:03 <PovAddict> I don't think so

20:04 <CoderForLife> it would grab my grab I guess

20:04 <PovAddict> &grab PovAddict

20:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You can't quote grab yourself.

20:04 <CoderForLife> oh - explicit

20:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

20:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 68.3F / 20.2C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1008.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. Northeast winds (1 more message)

20:06 <CoderForLife> &more

20:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: around 5 mph.;

20:07 <CoderForLife> I think you're only worth 4 mphs, Rommie

20:07 <PovAddict> hmph

20:07 <Tank_Master> &grab PovAddict

20:07 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The operation succeeded.

20:08 <CoderForLife> How many CFLs does it to screw in a lightbulb?

20:08 <CoderForLife> er it *take*

20:09 <Tank_Master> 57

20:09 <Tank_Master> no, 42! isnt that always the answer?

20:09 * CoderForLife glares at the multi-key fault of the keyboard

20:09 <Tank_Master> &grab CoderForLife

20:09 <Romulus> Tank_Master: The operation succeeded.

20:09 <CoderForLife> the answer - none - that's a hardware problem

20:10 <CoderForLife> I have "people" that do that

20:10 <Tank_Master> lol

20:17 * wdsmia slaps CoderForLifes program with a scsi error

20:21 <yomshleeshee> :-o

20:22 <wdsmia> then he sets CoderForLife's output file to 444

20:23 * wdsmia is evil

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20:31 * CoderForLife logins in as sa/sa and deletes wdsmia's Oracle database

20:32 * CoderForLife goes for his post-dinner glucose test

20:32 <wdsmia> all 15TB? no problem I have backups :P

20:41 <Tank_Master> lol

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20:42 <Tank_Master> (C:) Local Fixed Disk (Free: 13.66GB(39.7%)/34.43GB, NTFS, label: unknown) (D:) Local Fixed Disk (Free: 7.57GB(22%)/34.43GB, NTFS, label: New Volume) (E:) Local Fixed Disk (Free: 143.6GB(10.3%)/1.36TB, NTFS, label: Seagate 1.5TB SATA) (F:) Local Fixed Disk (Free: 61.8GB(6.6%)/931.51GB, NTFS, label: Seagate 1TB SATA)

20:42 <Tank_Master> (G:) CD-ROM Disc (No disc)

20:42 <Tank_Master> (HD drives) 2.34TB total space, 226GB(9.5%) free

20:54 <CoderForLife> gn boincfans

21:12 <Tank_Master> gn

21:12 <Tank_Master> (so im 15 min late, oh well)

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22:11 <FreeLarry58> &more

22:11 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Southwest wind to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Light wind becoming southeast 10 mph or less after midnight.;

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23:42 <quail> 'afternoon all, how's everyone?

23:44 <efc> moo

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