IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-09-17

00:00 <jasong3> I almost did something horrible tonight

00:01 <jasong3> A guy said his name was Gu(pronounced Goo) and I almost laughed in his face

00:01 <PovAddict> do I even want to know?

00:01 <jasong3> Luckily I was able to contain it

00:01 <PovAddict> oh

00:02 <jasong3> I don't like to think of myself as racist, but when you think about it phonetically, it's kinda funny

00:02 <jasong3> For all I know, Jason means something weird in another language

00:10 * FreeLarry58 thinks of hockey masks and machettes

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01:57 <Tidus> *yawn*

02:07 <Tank_Master> evenin Tidus

02:12 <PovAddict> woah http://typophile.com/files/sbpx2_5653.gif

02:12 <PovAddict> hand-made subpixel font

02:12 <PovAddict> very tiny, still readable

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02:15 <Tidus> only bad thing about being mobile. Doesn't handle network switches too well

02:15 <Tank_Master> nope

02:16 <Tidus> not a whole lot is up here. Just got off work

03:25 <efc> blah

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05:12 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:12 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 55.2F / 12.9C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 80. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.;

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05:42 <Duke_Azrael> hello

05:43 <Duke_Azrael> i have a few questions about the cpu usage regulation

05:43 <Duke_Azrael> on the one hand there are settings in the boinc manager

05:43 <Duke_Azrael> to regulate the cpu usage

05:43 <Duke_Azrael> when i play with them they dont really work

05:44 <Duke_Azrael> boinc uses 100% of one of my cores anyway

05:44 <Duke_Azrael> on the other hand ist an entry in the purpose feature list

05:44 <Duke_Azrael> On the

05:44 <Duke_Azrael> > list of proposed features i found something for the Client "Core

05:44 <Duke_Azrael> > client monitors total CPU usage, limits its own CPU usage so that

05:44 <Duke_Azrael> > total is < 100%.".

05:45 <Duke_Azrael> so whats that all about i am confused

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06:07 <quail> CoderForLife: hi Don, how are you mate?

06:07 <quail> &wx ypad

06:07 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:69 F.; Overcast. Low:48 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:66 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F.; Clear. High:69 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 F.;

06:19 <CoderForLife> hi quail - off to w@#% - laterz

06:22 <quail> :-( anyways have fun, hehe

06:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 57.7F / 14.3C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the upper 70s. East wind near 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Cooler. Low in the upper 40s. Southeast wind near 5 mph through midnight becoming light.; Friday - Sunny. High in the upper 70s. Light wind (1 more message)

06:25 <wdsmia> &more

06:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: becoming east around 5 mph in the afternoon.;

06:28 <hawmps> mornin

06:37 <quail> hawmps: hi Jay, how are you?

06:45 <hawmps> 'lo Q, and good enough.

06:45 <Duke_Azrael> hey guys

06:45 <hawmps> Hi

06:45 <Duke_Azrael> i did a little research on limiting cpu prozesses in the last hour

06:45 <Duke_Azrael> seems pretty hard to limit a certain process to a certain cpu time

06:46 <hawmps> yeah, it is.

06:46 <Duke_Azrael> ^^

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> i really would like to implement something like this in the boinc core client

06:47 <hawmps> nobody programs like that.

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> ^^

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> i mean there are two programms

06:47 <hawmps> why?

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> one for windows and one for linux

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> my intention is to put a green it button on boinc

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> saying... my computer idels

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> and uses energy

06:47 <Duke_Azrael> anyway...

06:48 <hawmps> that is already built in, by a different method

06:48 <Duke_Azrael> so there must be an amount of cpu usage so that the engergycosts are not much higher than in idle

06:48 <Duke_Azrael> ok what do you mean excactly

06:48 <Duke_Azrael> i found two settings

06:48 <Duke_Azrael> 1. how many cores are allowed to be used

06:48 <Duke_Azrael> 2. how much cpu time...

06:49 <Duke_Azrael> but 10% means

06:49 <Duke_Azrael> in 10 secons

06:49 <Duke_Azrael> 1 second run with a 100%percent cpu time

07:10 <hawmps> spork >> 221.214.180.169

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07:17 <Masterx831> ;p;

07:17 <Masterx831> where is everyone

07:17 <Romulus> It has been said that everyone is just ganing up on you, Masterx831

07:17 <Masterx831> lol

07:24 <hawmps> here and there..

07:27 <Masterx831> hawmps: hey

07:28 <hawmps> brb.

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07:44 <hawmps> still only one gpu... something isn't right.

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09:42 <hawmps> Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a version of SETI@home Enhanced.

09:42 <hawmps> anyone know the quick way to fix this?

09:55 <hawmps> ...think I got it.

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12:02 <desti> http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-150-space-camera-mit-students-beat-nasa-on-beer-money-budget

12:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ou4mt2> (at www.wired.com)

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15:22 <yomshleeshee> according to the log listed in this channel's topic: "yomshleeshee seems to be sad at the moment: 7.6% lines contained sad faces. :( "

15:22 <yomshleeshee> didn't realize that

15:30 <Tank_Master> :)

15:34 <yomshleeshee> :-)

15:34 <yomshleeshee> that should help

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16:11 <xcamel> 'lo

16:11 <yomshleeshee> yo

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16:40 <Tank_Master> wb FreeLarry58

16:40 <Masterx831> nice

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17:03 <Tank_Master> http://de.acidcow.com/pics/20090917/crazy_inventions_of_the_past_14.jpg

17:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m6qtgc> (at de.acidcow.com)

17:05 <yomshleeshee> nice

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17:35 <wdsmia> re-*lo

17:37 <wdsmia> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090917/od_nm/us_wall_odd

17:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lcm2vn> (at news.yahoo.com)

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17:50 <yomshleeshee> interesting

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18:05 <CoderForLife> you're relocating, wdsmia?

18:05 <PovAddict> lol

18:06 * wdsmia slaps CoderForLife around with a large Carp

18:07 <yomshleeshee> :-o

18:09 * CoderForLife slaps wdsmia around with some large Crap

18:10 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch their language Thanks, your friendly channel op

18:10 * yomshleeshee laughs about the typo/response

18:11 <CoderForLife> no typo here =)

18:11 <yomshleeshee> i see

18:11 <yomshleeshee> still funny

18:12 <CoderForLife> thx =)

18:12 <CoderForLife> my purpose here is to provide entertainment

18:24 <Tank_Master> huh, how nice

18:24 <Tank_Master> I got an orbit WU :P

18:24 <Tank_Master> probably a bad resubmit

18:24 <wdsmia> lol

18:25 <Tank_Master> last one I got was back in may

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18:26 <Tank_Master> comput error, sucess, CE, sucess, no reply, aborted, no reply, comput error, then mine

18:27 <Masterx831> CoderForLife: sup man

18:27 <CoderForLife> Isa here

18:28 <CoderForLife> and in 14 other IRC places =)

18:28 <PovAddict> wow, been collecting channels?

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18:37 <CoderForLife> when you start looking at smartphone cross-platform development, you need to look a lot of places - 3 for Android alone

18:40 <CoderForLife> not to mention blogs

18:40 <CoderForLife> and official support forums

18:41 <PovAddict> how easy was it to create the dev. account?

18:41 <PovAddict> for iPhone

18:41 <PovAddict> I read that it's $99/year + paperwork for tax reasons... but maybe the latter is just if you're outside the US

18:43 <CoderForLife> they make it pretty easy to take your $99 + sales tax in the U.S.

18:43 <PovAddict> I don't mean the taxes on the $99

18:43 <CoderForLife> you buy it through the online Apple Store

18:43 <CoderForLife> and of course...

18:43 <PovAddict> I mean paperwork for the taxes on the money you *make* through the store

18:44 <CoderForLife> oh right

18:45 <CoderForLife> yes - it is counted as personal or company income

18:45 <PovAddict> yep but gets tricky if you're outside the US

18:45 <PovAddict> because Apple is in the US

18:45 * CoderForLife looks outside his window

18:45 <CoderForLife> I couldn't advise you on that  =)

18:46 <PovAddict> there's a mess related to someone outside the US making money on the US... maybe having to pay taxes in both countries

18:46 <PovAddict> and more mess depending on the country

18:46 <PovAddict> apparently if someone from Japan buys your app, Japan govt gets to keep 20%, unless you fill some Japanese forms

18:47 <CoderForLife> orly?

18:47 <CoderForLife> I was not aware of that

18:48 <PovAddict> someone found out by keeping track of sales in a spreadsheet

18:48 <CoderForLife> they should be getting a report from Apple, or one of the many analysis services

18:48 <PovAddict> after adjusting for differences in currency in each country, and for the percentage Apple keeps, he was consistently missing 20% from Japan

18:48 <CoderForLife> hmm  didn;t know that

18:48 <PovAddict> http://macdaddyworld.com/2009/01/25/the-curious-case-of-missing-yen/

18:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dy5hkx> (at macdaddyworld.com)

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18:50 <CoderForLife> snooze to me, thx for the link

18:52 <PovAddict> heh

18:52 <PovAddict> a comment from someone who is actually from Japan

18:53 <PovAddict> and had similar problems with the US, except the US was keeping 30%

18:53 <CoderForLife> yeow

18:54 <CoderForLife> I had no idear

18:54 <CoderForLife> Apple keeps 20%

18:54 <PovAddict> so people who live in Japan and sell in the US have it worse :P

18:54 <CoderForLife> heh

18:54 <PovAddict> before filling the forms, that is

18:54 <CoderForLife> right

18:54 <PovAddict> the US-Japan treaty lowers the withholding to 0% for both sides

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19:04 <CoderForLife> trying to find those forms

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19:16 <CoderForLife> bbiab

19:19 <yomshleeshee> when a file is copied to the download directory, is there a record of that in the project DB?

19:19 <yomshleeshee> can't figure out which table that'd be in

19:19 <yomshleeshee> (if at all)

19:20 <PovAddict> you're assuming too much from BOINC

19:20 <yomshleeshee> :-/

19:20 <yomshleeshee> yeah, I guess

19:20 <PovAddict> it's stored in *XML* in a blob column in the workunit table

19:20 <yomshleeshee> but isn't there a checksum stored somewhere?

19:20 <yomshleeshee> oh..

19:20 <yomshleeshee> that does sound familiar

19:21 <PovAddict> to be blindly sticked into the response to the client

19:21 <PovAddict> a 'file' table would make too much sense :P

19:21 <yomshleeshee> it would, wouldn't it

19:21 <yomshleeshee> was trying to not have to ssh. oh, well

19:23 <yomshleeshee> "to be blindly sticked into the response to the client", not to mention having to be generated every time a WU is created instead of being found in a sql table...

19:23 <PovAddict> for files shared with multiple workunits, yes

19:24 <PovAddict> also, file_deleter has to go through every workunit row and parse the XML; which could be a fairly straightforward SQL query if there was a file table

19:24 <yomshleeshee> which I do a good bit

19:24 <PovAddict> well, not every WU... it can ask for finished WUs

19:24 <yomshleeshee> but still what is O(XML) compared to O(SQL)

19:24 <yomshleeshee> d'oh!

19:25 <PovAddict> a typo in a workunit template file may make the client give an error

19:26 <PovAddict> because create_work fills in the template, puts it in the workunit table, the scheduler reads that from the DB and puts it into the protocol stream... but none really parses it

19:27 <PovAddict> "filling the template" involves string replacements :)

19:27 <yomshleeshee> lame

19:27 <PovAddict> search for "</workunit>", add a piece of XML before that point

19:27 <PovAddict> "piece of XML" generated with sprintf, of course

19:28 <yomshleeshee> weird. and considering how many tables a project has by default, what's adding another one for the file info.

19:29 <PovAddict> I think when a task is completed, another XML blob is filled in the result table

19:29 <PovAddict> which used to be an empty string before the task completes

19:29 * yomshleeshee laughs

19:29 <PovAddict> I think that's an important cause of DB fragmentation

19:30 <yomshleeshee> right, while another table would replace fragmenting blobs with *table entries*

19:30 <yomshleeshee> lame

19:31 <PovAddict> I'll make it less lame for a fee ;)

19:31 <yomshleeshee> yeah...

19:34 <PovAddict> do you know how the core client and science apps communicate?

19:35 <yomshleeshee> specifically? no, I made my own wrapper and left it at that

19:35 <PovAddict> you have three guesses

19:35 <yomshleeshee> ha

19:36 <yomshleeshee> hmm, based on current trends

19:36 <yomshleeshee> I'd say a block of memory is allocated and filled with XML

19:36 <PovAddict> heh

19:36 <PovAddict> perfect

19:36 <PovAddict> it's XML over shared memory indeed

19:37 <yomshleeshee> really? d@mn

19:37 <yomshleeshee> that was a guess btw

19:37 <yomshleeshee> albeit educated guess

19:37 <yomshleeshee> yeah they're all about shared memory @ berkeley

19:38 <yomshleeshee> i remember banging my head against a wall with that 2 years ago when I was setting up the server

19:38 <PovAddict> the shmem is separated into 'channels'

19:38 <PovAddict> each is used for a different purpose

19:39 <PovAddict> channels are one-way; one process writes to it, the other reads from it

19:39 <PovAddict> this sounds a bit like a pipe, doesn't it...

19:39 <yomshleeshee> i must say

19:40 <PovAddict> except I don't think they do proper synchronization to keep one process from reading the entire block while the other was halfway writing

19:40 <yomshleeshee> nice

19:41 <PovAddict> and the XML is parsed like this:

19:41 <PovAddict>         if (match_tag(buf, "<suspend/>")) {

19:41 <PovAddict>             boinc_status.suspended = true;

19:41 <PovAddict>             suspend_activities();

19:41 <PovAddict>         }

19:41 <PovAddict> guess what match_tag does?

19:41 <yomshleeshee> reads through each "line" and do a string comp

19:41 <PovAddict> see yourself, lib/parse.h line 56

19:43 <yomshleeshee> nice

19:43 <yomshleeshee> strstr

19:43 <PovAddict> other parts of BOINC were updated to the new parser, but the "API" and the server still use the old one mostly

19:43 <PovAddict> although...

19:44 <PovAddict> <Didactylos> The "new parser" being better than the old one, in the same way that being killed with a knife is better than being killed with a spoon...

19:44 <yomshleeshee> where's the new parser?

19:44 <yomshleeshee> nice

19:44 <PovAddict> the new parser is the XML_PARSER class, declared in parse.h too; code in parse.cpp

19:44 <yomshleeshee> oh, ok

19:45 <PovAddict> it doesn't need one tag per line like the old one does

19:45 <yomshleeshee> i see, I jumped over that to go to the match line in parse.h

20:00 <PovAddict> so what's your project about? :)

20:03 <yomshleeshee> http://maxwell.dhcp.umsl.edu/brats/

20:03 <Romulus> Title: BRaTS@Home (at maxwell.dhcp.umsl.edu)

20:03 <yomshleeshee> Gravitation lensing of galaxy clusters

20:04 <yomshleeshee> the boinc project does the ray tracing

20:04 <yomshleeshee> through foreground masses

20:05 <PovAddict> do you know anything about the semantic web?

20:07 <PovAddict> specifically... do you have a FOAF profile online? :)

20:07 <yomshleeshee> nope

20:07 <yomshleeshee> on both counts

20:08 <yomshleeshee> projects been going ~2 years. not a lot of work as it is based on how much I need analysed for my doc. research, but it's been running pretty well

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20:08 <PovAddict> I'll use a blank node then

20:08 <KathrynM> requsted once again for them to fix the linux version

20:09 <KathrynM> think anyone will listen to me?

20:09 <PovAddict> KathrynM: help us finish the docs so we can release synecdoche 0.1.2 ;)

20:10 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: http://bitbucket.org/nicolas17/rdf-boinc/changeset/39d2e2c9ee49/

20:10 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m53ccp> (at bitbucket.org)

20:11 <yomshleeshee> so what am I looking at here?

20:11 <PovAddict> I was collecting info about projects

20:11 <yomshleeshee> oh

20:11 <yomshleeshee> then what's foaf?

20:12 <PovAddict> a way to describe people

20:12 <PovAddict> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/

20:12 <Romulus> Title: FOAF Vocabulary Specification (at xmlns.com)

20:12 <yomshleeshee> hmm

20:13 <PovAddict> the semantic web is one of those things that is kinda complex to understand fully :P

20:14 <KathrynM> PovAddict, my brain is so fried, I can barely form a coherent thought

20:14 <PovAddict> mmm fried brain

20:14 <PovAddict> er-

20:14 <yomshleeshee> is there a tutorial?

20:14 <yomshleeshee> demo?

20:15 <KathrynM> PovAddict, I see you requested the fix too.

20:15 <KathrynM> I didn't even read your message before I sent mine.

20:20 <yomshleeshee> so FOAF is geek facebook?

20:22 <PovAddict> that's... one way to put it, heh

20:22 <yomshleeshee> was reading the website

20:23 <yomshleeshee> looks like you log people and their info and can query their relationships

20:23 <yomshleeshee> so FB as DB

20:23 <KathrynM> http://www.woio.com/global/story.asp?s=11148286

20:23 <Romulus> Title: Deadly Route: U.S. Postal !@#&er Shot While Delivering Mail (at www.woio.com)

20:23 <KathrynM> not far from where I grew up

20:23 <KathrynM> same side of the city, even

20:23 <PovAddict> !@#&er?

20:23 <KathrynM> w o r k e r

20:23 <KathrynM> the w word

20:25 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: everything is represented with URLs

20:25 <PovAddict> so there isn't a centralized place where you query relationships

20:25 <yomshleeshee> oh

20:25 <PovAddict> I get a URL for your FOAF profile, where it says what people you know (via foaf:knows)

20:25 <PovAddict> to represent those people, it uses URLs too

20:26 <yomshleeshee> oh, so somewhere it parses/querys for you

20:26 <PovAddict> I can fetch those and find their information and people they know

20:27 <PovAddict> following URLs like that is the same you do with your browser following HTML links

20:27 <PovAddict> and Google does the same to find webpages, follows links

20:27 <PovAddict> http://sindice.com/ is a "semantic web crawler"

20:27 <Romulus> Title: Sindice - The semantic web index (at sindice.com)

20:28 <PovAddict> follows the RDF links, then lets you search

20:28 <yomshleeshee> i see. how much is this being used now?

20:28 <PovAddict> in terms of "widespreadness"... semantic web geeks

20:29 <yomshleeshee> gotcha

20:29 <PovAddict> in terms of amount of data, recently Best Buy released a giant amount of information in RDF

20:29 <yomshleeshee> oh

20:29 <yomshleeshee> a tut would be sweet

20:29 <PovAddict> /join #swig

20:31 <yomshleeshee> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=8+Sampsonia+Way,+Pittsburgh,+Allegheny,+Pennsylvania+15212&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.934478,82.880859&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FfJVaQIdqi47-w&split=0&layer=c&cbll=40.45765,-80.007601&panoid=X-xp0ypEKM-xAaC2ivbpTw&cbp=12,325.63,,0,6.24&ll=40.457675,-80.007484&spn=0.007461,0.01929&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A

20:31 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/nodcsb> (at maps.google.com)

20:31 <yomshleeshee> long, but worth it

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20:50 <rodrigoflores> Ho

20:50 <rodrigoflores> Hi

20:50 <rodrigoflores> I'm trying to compile the wrapper in Visual C++

20:50 <rodrigoflores> In the

20:51 * PovAddict mumbles "the wrapper is overused"

20:51 <rodrigoflores> in this page http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileClient you talk about BOINC binary directory

20:51 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/n2o6xo> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

20:51 <rodrigoflores> but where is this binary directory?

20:51 <PovAddict> that page is about compiling the BOINC core client

20:52 <yomshleeshee> the wrapper keeps boinc out of your science app ;-)

20:52 <yomshleeshee> something I'm all about

20:52 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: I think that's better done at the source level

20:53 <rodrigoflores> well, I'm having so much trouble compiling the wrapper, so I decided to follow the instructions for compile the BOINC client to compile the BOINC wrapper

20:54 <yomshleeshee> here's my take on it. I have the wrapper set things up to run the science app. and then that does the science. now I don't have to put all of the BOINC API garbage in my science app and I am more portable, which I good because I use other components outside of BOINC too

20:54 <PovAddict> if you're having trouble making a chocolate cake, following the instructions for an apple pie won't give you a chocolate cake

20:55 <CoderForLife> ok - that's all for me folks

20:55 <CoderForLife> gn

20:55 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: but you don't need two processes for that; you can also refactor your science app to be a *library*, and have a tiny main() that uses it directly, and another different small main() that uses the BOINC API and the science "library"

20:55 <yomshleeshee> no but taking the time to make a chocolate cake making machine will make your life easier in the long run

20:56 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: the cake analogy was about him using the instructions for the core client to build the wrapper

20:56 <yomshleeshee> :-o

20:56 <yomshleeshee> actually (your first comment) does sound like what I do

20:57 * PovAddict is getting confused by all the ambiguous references to previous statements

20:57 <yomshleeshee> yomshleeshee: but you don't need two processes for that; you  can also refactor your science app to be a *library*...

20:57 <PovAddict> ah well

20:57 <PovAddict> usually when someone says "wrapper", he means this:

20:57 <PovAddict> &bw WrapperApp

20:57 <Romulus> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WrapperApp

20:58 <yomshleeshee> right

20:58 <yomshleeshee> I started by reading that and diverged

21:01 <rodrigoflores> I'm really having problems compiling the Wrapper itself

21:01 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: http://pastebin.com/f6d215fd8

21:01 <Romulus> Title: C pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

21:01 <PovAddict> rodrigoflores: yeah sorry, the discussion diverged into "why it's a bad idea to use the wrapper"

21:01 <PovAddict> but now I'm off to dinner ->

21:01 <PovAddict> yomshleeshee: isn't that pastebin'd code ugly? :)

21:01 <yomshleeshee> yeah

21:02 <yomshleeshee> not nice

21:02 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, I know. But I want to run R scripts in Boinc and the wrapper seems the only way to do that

21:03 <rodrigoflores> Do you guys can compile the wrapper without errors? I followed the tutorial in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileApp and I was unable to do that.

21:03 <Romulus> Title: CompileApp - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

21:25 <jasong> any fringe fans on here?

21:25 <jasong> (the show)

21:29 <Masterx831> lol brb

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21:37 <Guest53233> eh

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21:38 <Nickelbob> www.ramseyathome.com <--- is this working?

21:38 <Nickelbob> rom doesnt seem to think so...

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21:38 <Nickelbob> dammit

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21:55 <Nickelbob> i hope whomever owns charter chokes to death on his own money

21:57 <Nickelbob> was that the correct usage of 'whomever'?

21:57 <Nickelbob> indirect object right?

21:57 <PovAddict> I don't think the word exists

21:57 <PovAddict> isn't it whoever

21:57 <Nickelbob> both are words

21:58 <Nickelbob> http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoever.asp

21:58 <Romulus> Title: Whoever and Whomever | Grammar Rules (at www.grammarbook.com)

22:00 <Nickelbob> shoulda been whoever

22:00 <Nickelbob> 'He owns Charter'

22:03 <PovAddict> rodrigoflores: hmm not familiar with R

22:03 <PovAddict> rodrigoflores: also, I never tried building science apps with VC++

22:03 <PovAddict> what version of Visual Studio do you have?

22:03 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, 2008

22:04 <PovAddict> what errors do you get?

22:04 <rodrigoflores> problems with glaux

22:04 <PovAddict> huh, you shouldn't need that

22:04 <rodrigoflores> but I have the correct version of SDK

22:05 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, do you have the wrapper compiled?

22:05 <PovAddict> what project are you trying to build?

22:05 <PovAddict> no I don't

22:05 <rodrigoflores> the Wrapper

22:05 <PovAddict> are you sure you are not building the entire solution?

22:05 <rodrigoflores> yeah

22:06 <rodrigoflores> I tried building only the wrapper

22:09 <PovAddict> ban

22:09 <PovAddict> bah*

22:09 <PovAddict> my copy of Visual C++ 2008 Express expired

22:09 <PovAddict> and I don't feel like registering it <.<

22:09 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, do you have a working environmet for boinc in Windows?

22:09 <PovAddict> no, like I just said :)

22:11 <PovAddict> you should remove "opengl32.lib glu32.lib glaux.lib" from the list of libraries

22:11 <PovAddict> I don't see why they aren't needed in the wrapper

22:11 <PovAddict> er

22:11 <PovAddict> I don't see why the wrapper would need them

22:11 <PovAddict> (premature enter key press

22:14 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, Do I need the gdi32.dll?

22:14 <PovAddict> that project file is badly broken...

22:15 <PovAddict> it's linking useless things like OpenGL, and not linking crucial things like... the BOINC API

22:15 <PovAddict> o_O

22:15 <PovAddict> it can't possibly work

22:20 * PovAddict sends a quick message to the mailing list

22:21 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, now I'm having problems with windows.h

22:21 <rodrigoflores> fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'windows.h'

22:21 <PovAddict> then you *don't* have the SDK, or you didn't configure Visual C++ to use it

22:22 <rodrigoflores> I have the SDK

22:23 <wdsmia> btw: 6.10.5 is fubar, lol not like thats a surprize

22:25 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, I think I have made some progress

22:25 <rodrigoflores> and now I have the error

22:26 <rodrigoflores> http://pastebin.com/m59a3e227

22:26 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

22:26 <rodrigoflores> Maybe the XML parser is missing

22:26 <PovAddict> and everything else

22:27 <PovAddict> the wrapper is not being linked to the BOINC API

22:27 <rodrigoflores> how do I link it?

22:27 <PovAddict> I don't know

22:27 <PovAddict> but missing that means it's pretty broken

22:28 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, I'm a really noob in Visual C++

22:28 <PovAddict> so I posted in the mailing list for someone else to fix it

22:28 <rodrigoflores> Which list?

22:28 <Romulus> Which list are you refering to then, rodrigoflores

22:28 <PovAddict> boinc_dev

22:28 * PovAddict slaps Romulus

22:28 <PovAddict> forget Which list

22:28 <Romulus> 10-4.

22:29 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: did you switch to dialup recently? feels like it

22:30 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, do you believe it is a bug in wrapper configuration?

22:30 <PovAddict> I think it's a lot of bugs in wrapper.vcproj

22:32 <rodrigoflores> I'm trying to compile it for some months

22:35 <PovAddict> rodrigoflores: ok, update SVN

22:35 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, please add this link to your mail http://pastebin.com/m59a3e227 . Maybe it could help people to get it working

22:35 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

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22:44 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, which revision? 19085?

22:45 <PovAddict> yes

22:46 <rodrigoflores> Well, the unresolved external problem remains...

22:46 <rodrigoflores> Should I have to link something?

22:48 <rodrigoflores> PovAddict, I have to go

22:49 <rodrigoflores> thank you for your attention. I'll keep my eyes in the ML for news about the wrapper.vcproj

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23:41 <PovAddict> &math convert [math calc 1224073282 - 1224029808] seconds to hours

23:41 <Romulus> PovAddict: 12.0761111111

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23:46 <zombie67> that is way more typing than just using a simple calculator

23:46 <PovAddict> I didn't have to type the numbers

23:47 <zombie67> magic then?

23:47 <PovAddict> copypaste

23:48 <zombie67> but you still had to type:  &math convert [math calc ] seconds to hours.....right?

23:48 <PovAddict> yes

23:48 <zombie67> like i said

23:48 <zombie67> awful lot of keystrokes, each with the possibility of error

23:48 <PovAddict> but at least with those I would notice

23:48 <PovAddict> &math conert [math calc 1224073282 - 1224029808] seconds to hours

23:48 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

23:49 <PovAddict> mistyping the number when putting it into a calculator is worse

23:49 <PovAddict> so the possibility of error is meaningless

23:49 <PovAddict> although, add to that all the keystrokes needed for this pointless argument with you ;)

23:50 <zombie67> i dnt car abut spelleng errars

23:51 <zombie67> what the heck is up is all the new projects?  They can't keep their servers running for more than a few hours at a time

23:51 <zombie67> picevolvr's db crashes constantly

23:51 <zombie67> NFS is just down half the time

23:51 <Tank_Master> anansi is giving some nice credits finally

23:52 <zombie67> truth

23:52 <zombie67> but her's the rub

23:52 <Tank_Master> 21k so far

23:52 <zombie67> here's

23:52 <Tank_Master> ?

23:52 <zombie67> I bugged the guy to enable the forum so we could provide feedback on issues

23:52 <Tank_Master> so?

23:53 <zombie67> he sent me email back about how he was having trouble

23:53 <zombie67> but he FINALLY got it to work

23:53 <Tank_Master> oh! I have an orbit WU

23:53 <Tank_Master> sucker is long

23:53 <zombie67> and then he never responds to anything!!

23:53 <Tank_Master> lol

23:53 <zombie67> I have about 10 orbit tasks running

23:53 <Tank_Master> 6h and 5% done

23:54 <Tank_Master> this is my first sence may

23:54 <zombie67> only 10k away from making my 250k milestone

23:54 <zombie67> note:  time remaining is always 2x

23:54 <zombie67> at 300 hours, will really take 600.  at 1 hour, will take 2

23:54 <Tank_Master> says itll take 55h

23:54 <zombie67> hahah!

23:55 <zombie67> what processor?

23:55 <Tank_Master> the qx9750

23:55 <Tank_Master> at 4.2GHz

23:55 <Tank_Master> I have a new collate WU 2.0

23:55 <zombie67> expect ~600,000 seconds

23:56 <zombie67> another note:  the remaining tasks are mostly garbage.  Odds are that it will fail, or not vaidate

23:56 <zombie67> gimme a link to the WU

23:57 <Tank_Master> which?

23:57 <Romulus> Somebody said which is the second time or integrated straight into iPhoto '09, but that's nice, Tank_Master

23:57 <Tank_Master> forget which

23:57 <Romulus> I hear ya, Tank_Master.

23:58 <Tank_Master> http://orbit.psi.edu/oah/workunit.php?wuid=17494

23:58 <Romulus> Title: !@#&unit details (at orbit.psi.edu)

23:58 <zombie67> the orbit task

23:59 <zombie67> see what I mean?

23:59 <zombie67> 3 compute errrors

23:59 <zombie67> a couple valid replies

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