00:00 <zombie67> but still nothing that matches
00:00 <zombie67> luck!
00:01 <Tank_Master> :)
00:02 <Tank_Master> ill bbl, gonna go watch fringe
00:03 <zombie67> hf
00:03 <PovAddict> &whatis dl
00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.
00:03 <PovAddict> &whatis download
00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.
00:03 <PovAddict> &factoids search /dl/
00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: No keys matched that query.
00:03 <PovAddict> &factoids search --values /dl/
00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: 'boinc_dl', 'Windows', 'Windows32', 'Linux', 'Linux32', 'Linux64', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'win32', 'windows64', 'win64', 'winx64', and 'x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'
00:03 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl
00:04 <PovAddict> &windows
00:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: lolwut?
00:04 <PovAddict> &whatis windows
00:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe
00:04 <PovAddict> should I update that for 6.10?
00:07 <zombie67> no
00:08 <zombie67> according to the main dl page, 6.6.36 is still the one
00:09 <PovAddict> either way, that link is broken, boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu doesn't seem to be accessible
00:09 <PovAddict> I'm updating them all to just point to boinc.berkeley.edu
00:09 <PovAddict> also
00:09 <PovAddict> zombie67: aren't these links for the benefit of us boincaholics keeping up with versions? :)
00:10 <zombie67> even the advanced page shows only .4
00:10 <PovAddict> well then should I update the links to point to 6.10.4 instead of 6.6.36?
00:10 <zombie67> "Can we at least get the manager not starting the client fixed?
00:10 <zombie67> "
00:10 <zombie67> .4 is crap
00:10 <zombie67> .5 is just out and probably crap too
00:10 <zombie67> we'll see
00:10 <PovAddict> &whatis Windows
00:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: "Windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe
00:11 <PovAddict> ok I have a solution then
00:11 <zombie67> .3 and less won't even install properly for me
00:11 <PovAddict> &factoids change Windows "s@.*@http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/files/Synecdoche_Win32-0.1.1.zip@"
00:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 's@.*@http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/files/Synecdoche_Win32-0.1.1.zip@' is not a valid key id.
00:11 <PovAddict> &factoids change Windows 1 "s@.*@http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/files/Synecdoche_Win32-0.1.1.zip@"
00:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
00:11 <PovAddict> :D
00:12 <PovAddict> I better change that back before someone hurts me
00:12 <PovAddict> ...with a large Carp
00:12 <zombie67> hah
00:12 <PovAddict> &factoids change Windows 1 "s@.*@http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe@"
00:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
00:13 <PovAddict> &cpid zombie67
00:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.
00:14 <PovAddict> &learn zombie67's CPID as 0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480
00:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
00:16 <zombie67> &cpid
00:16 <Romulus> zombie67: (cpid <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "whatis #boinc $1's CPID".
00:17 <zombie67> &cpid zombie67
00:17 <Romulus> zombie67: "zombie67's CPID" could be 0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480
00:17 <zombie67> could be?
00:17 <PovAddict> that's what it says for all factoids
00:17 <PovAddict> &whatis DD@H
00:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: "DD@H" could be (#1) DrugDiscovery@Home, new BOINC project, models the behavor of leading compounds that could be developed into new medicines, or (#2) Main site w/information http://drugdiscoveryathome.com/, or (#3) BOINC page: http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/
00:27 <PovAddict> &factoids change DD@H 1 s/avor/avior/
00:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
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00:36 * PovAddict watches his hard disk free space go down while a file uncompresses
00:37 <PovAddict> I'm writing like two floppy disks worth of data per second
00:37 <PovAddict> how long did a floppy disk take to write from beginning to end?
00:44 <efc> Maybe a minute
00:46 <PovAddict> I bet some people in this channel can download off the internets faster than that
00:46 <PovAddict> oh wait, doing my maths wrong - probably we all can :P
00:46 <PovAddict> except maybe efc
00:46 <PovAddict> ;)
00:54 * efc uploads a witty response
01:01 <zombie67> Writing a whole floppy? What size? 9"? 5? 3?
01:05 <zombie67> in any case, it was at least the time it took to take a pee, get a cup of coffee, and return
01:05 <efc> I'd assume a 3.5" 1.44 mb
01:05 <efc> they took a couple min to format
01:05 <zombie67> right
01:06 <PovAddict> I don't remember using 5" floppies; way too long ago
01:06 <PovAddict> and I have never SEEN a 9"
01:06 <zombie67> so at least that long
01:06 <zombie67> youg pup
01:06 <zombie67> young
01:06 <zombie67> i finally hit 1M at TLP
01:07 <zombie67> my credits don't know it yet
01:07 <zombie67> like when you kill someone, but they aren't dead yet
01:08 <zombie67> very annoying to have to go to the dl page manually
01:08 <zombie67> should be a link for advanced, and very advanced
01:08 <zombie67> upgrading a farm is a PITA
01:11 <efc> I used 5.25.. don't remember there being much of a performance diff
01:11 <zombie67> big diff in cpapacity@
01:11 <zombie67> !
01:12 <zombie67> jeeze...another msft update
01:12 <zombie67> that is like the 3rd in as many weeks
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01:16 <Tidus> *yawn*
01:18 <efc> "Because of overhead and these additional delays, the average sequential read speed is rather 30-70 KB/s than 125 KB/s."
01:18 <PovAddict> in floppies?
01:18 <efc> Yes
01:19 <efc> less than a 1X floppy
01:19 <Tidus> lol. I always knew floppies were slow. Took 55 seconds to fill one to capacity
01:19 <zombie67> which floppy?
01:19 <efc> And a lot faster than a POTS modem.
01:19 <efc> thats for 3.5
01:19 <zombie67> ah
01:19 <zombie67> fast
01:19 <Tidus> heh. The data modem in my phone only averages around 112k/sec
01:20 <zombie67> anyone ever pulled out a stack of platters from a winchester?
01:20 <zombie67> be gentle!
01:25 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl
01:26 <PovAddict> &factouids change boinc_dl 1 "s/$/?C=M;O=D/"
01:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: lolwut?
01:26 <PovAddict> &factoids change boinc_dl 1 "s/$/?C=M;O=D/"
01:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.
01:27 <Tidus> no clue what that just did
01:27 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl
01:27 <PovAddict> those parameters at the end make it show newest files first
01:27 <Tidus> added string. Gotcha
01:27 <PovAddict> $ is end of string
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05:22 <CoderForLife> plink 184.108.40.206 - trying to hack into the warbird museum online store
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06:18 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
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06:18 <wdsmia> &more
06:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;
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06:45 <hawmps> 'lo
06:54 <hawmps> Hmmm.. ACORN running a huge illegal homeloan racket... go figure.
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08:19 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps
08:19 <CoderForLife> oops - or not
08:20 <KathrynM> just wanted to say good $TIMEOFDAY
08:20 <KathrynM> I'm off to bed to nurse my miserable sinuses.
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08:50 <CoderForLife> wb hawmps
08:51 <CoderForLife> day off here from w@#% - took the car in this morning on a recall to fix a problem where if the airbag goes off it may shoot metal fragments through the body of the driver
08:52 <CoderForLife> also paying a visit to the primary care doctor around noon
08:53 <CoderForLife> or should I say the insurance company is paying, since my deductible is paid up this year
08:54 <CoderForLife> I'd hate for the former to cause the latter
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09:58 <CoderForLife> re-re-wb hawmps
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10:04 <diz_Child> which is boinc 5.x dataDirection?
10:07 <hawmps> eh?
10:07 <hawmps> brb
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10:07 <diz_Child> ...
10:07 <diz_Child> which is boinc 5.x dataDirection?
10:08 <diz_Child> how to be back from boinc 6.x to boinc 5.x without data lose?
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10:15 <diz_Child> -_-!!!
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10:57 <hawmps> /groans...
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11:35 <Romulus> Title: African Grid Lab ALPHA (at africangridlab.net)
11:48 <hawmps> yea! got it!
11:48 <hawmps> both gpu's
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11:55 <hawmps> &wx 12020
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11:55 <hawmps> &more
11:55 <Romulus> hawmps: evening...then clearing. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;
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13:05 <rodrigoflores> Hi
13:06 <rodrigoflores> Does anybody here has a working environment to compile Boinc Apps in Microsoft Visual C++ ?
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13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan: ?
13:07 <Romulus> Rumor has it MTughan: is the transfers tab fully !@#&ing, yoyo[RKN]
13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> need some mac compilations
13:09 <Tank_Master> forget MTughan
13:09 <Tank_Master> forget MTughan:
13:09 <Romulus> I hear ya, Tank_Master.
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13:39 <yoyo[RKN]> wb Rodrigo_
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13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo ?
13:46 <Romulus> yoyo is down, yoyo[RKN]
13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> forget yoyo:
13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> forget yoyo
13:46 <Romulus> Gotcha, yoyo[RKN].
13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo ?
13:47 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo is at www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo
13:47 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo ?
13:47 <Romulus> I guess yoyo is at www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo, yoyo[RKN]
13:47 <PovAddict> I hate that factoid plugin
13:53 <Tank_Master> so whenever someone type in "word is" the pluging automaticly adds the word in?
13:54 <Rodrigo_> yoyo[RKN], hi
13:54 <PovAddict> yes Tank_Master
13:54 <Tank_Master> thats dumb
13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> Tank_Master ?
13:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master is active now, so I can go and sleep, yoyo[RKN]
13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> lol
13:55 <Tank_Master> ....
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13:55 <Tank_Master> thats just wrong
13:55 <Tank_Master> and you were defently the right person to ask that :D
13:56 <Rodrigo_> Does anybody here has a working environment to compile Boinc Apps in Microsoft Visual C++ ?
13:56 * yoyo[RKN] <--
13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> MS visual c++ express
13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> to compile the wrapper
13:57 <PovAddict> if you want someone to compile the wrapper for you and send you it, that's a very bad idea
13:58 <Rodrigo_> PovAddict, no. I want to someone help me setting the environment
13:58 <yoyo[RKN]> you must link the right boinc libs
13:58 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 19091 - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
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14:02 <Rodrigo_> yoyo[RKN], how do I set these libs?
14:02 <Rodrigo_> in Properties -> Linker ?
14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> which faults do you get?
14:03 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: it looks like the wrapper proj is not linking to the BOINC API
14:03 <PovAddict> or libboinc
14:04 <Romulus> Title: Paste library for code and text | Pastelib.com (at www.pastelib.com)
14:04 <Rodrigo_> this is the error I get
14:06 <hawmps> POV... huh?
14:06 <hawmps> I found the error.
14:08 <PovAddict> hawmps: the problem with multi-GPU assignment on 6.6 was *just now* fixed
14:08 <PovAddict> that took a while...
14:09 <hawmps> mine was an xorg.conf error
14:09 <PovAddict> without that fix, BOINC will detect all GPUs but will run all tasks in the first GPU
14:10 <hawmps> what release?
14:10 <hawmps> 6.10.6?
14:10 <PovAddict> all 6.6s
14:10 <PovAddict> all 6.6s are broken wrt that, and no release with fix yet
14:10 <hawmps> what good is 6.6?
14:10 <hawmps> is it in 6.10.x ?
14:10 <PovAddict> true, 6.6 is no good, since they still didn't fix the "manager doesn't start client" bug :P
14:11 <PovAddict> dunno if bug is in 6.10
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14:15 <hawmps> got seti and einstein cuda running now..
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14:17 <Tank_Master> o0
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14:17 <Tank_Master> huh
14:17 <Tank_Master> alt+z closes the room
14:17 <Tank_Master> how annoying
14:17 <hawmps> shows .04 cpus and 2 gpus
14:19 <hawmps> e's show 1.0cpus and 1.0 gpus
14:20 <yoyo[RKN]> Rodrigo_ : your linker misses all the boinc symbols, so you have to add the boinc libraries
14:22 <hawmps> just changed seti to 0.5cpus and 2.0gpus
14:22 <hawmps> now it's crankin
14:24 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Sorry was AFK there. What apps?
14:25 <yoyo[RKN]> nfs@home
14:25 <MTughan> Source?
14:25 <Romulus> It has been said that Source is the better way, MTughan
14:25 <MTughan> forget Source
14:25 <Romulus> 10-4, MTughan.
14:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I pointed Greg to you, he will send me the source.
14:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I pointed also to this chat here
14:25 <Rodrigo_> yoyo[RKN], I have to add them in Linker->Input ?
14:26 <MTughan> He'll send you the source, or send me the source?
14:26 <yoyo[RKN]> He will give me a download url
14:26 <MTughan> K.
14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, should be linker->input->additional dependencies
14:32 * yoyo[RKN] has a german version of visual c++ express
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14:41 <Rodrigo_> whick files I have to add ? All the lib directory?
14:42 <PovAddict> no, the *compiled* boinc api
14:45 <Rodrigo_> PovAddict, where do I find this "compiled" api?
14:45 <Tank_Master> &cad
14:45 <PovAddict> you compile it :)
14:45 <PovAddict> with the libboincapi.vcproj or whatever it's called
14:55 <Rodrigo_> PovAddict, thanks for your help
14:55 <Rodrigo_> I've compiled it
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15:08 <hawmps> looks like the seti cuda units crap out though.
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15:41 <M6eis6ter6> nice one :D
15:43 * FreeLarry58 wonders what all those japanese charaters mean at botom of servermanager repliy meant
15:44 <PovAddict> you tell us :D
15:44 <FreeLarry58> cant read it iand takes too long to look up in kanji/japanese dictionary
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15:48 <dizzie> Hello
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16:13 <xcamel> Hi
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17:06 <Romulus> Title: 3D Modeling Software - trueSpace (at www.caligari.com)
17:07 <Tank_Master> free 3d object making software...
17:20 <PovAddict> 6.10.6 tagged in SVN
17:20 <PovAddict> 6.10.6 for Windows available in /dl/
17:20 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl
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17:22 <Tank_Master> thx pov
17:22 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:22 <Tank_Master> cosre I installed .5 an hr ago :P
17:25 * wdsmia thinks he will wait till monday and .7 :p
17:25 <Tank_Master> odd
17:25 <Tank_Master> sais its .5
17:25 <Tank_Master> after I install it
17:26 <Tank_Master> 9/18/2009 2:25:59 PMStarting BOINC client version 6.10.5 for windows_x86_64
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18:17 <KathrynM> well, I was right. I'm being ignored
18:18 * PovAddict waves a flag reading 'ignored'
18:18 <KathrynM> Linux is down to what?, 5th class citizen?
18:18 <KathrynM> win, mac, nvidia, ati, linux
18:19 <KathrynM> seems like that is the hierarchy these days
18:19 <PovAddict> yes, they don't seem to be caring about PTP/facebook anymore :P
18:19 <PovAddict> since there are ignored bugs in 6.8 too
18:19 <KathrynM> whoops forgot about them
18:19 <KathrynM> make us 6th class
18:20 <KathrynM> I'd like to kill the parents who send their precious snowflakes to school while sick.
18:20 <KathrynM> funny thing is, with the whole pig flu terror, we've been using that waterless hand cleaner like crazy
18:21 <KathrynM> I start using the cleaner. I get sick
18:21 <KathrynM> Obviously, to stay healthy, I should not wash my hands.
18:21 <PovAddict> there was a study a few years ago...
18:21 <PovAddict> apparently a computer keyboard has a LOT more germs than a toilet seat, by far
18:22 <KathrynM> oh yeah
18:22 <PovAddict> makes sense if you think about it... nobody touches the toilet seat to avoid getting germs, but actually that makes nobody put germs on the seat
18:23 <PovAddict> the part of the butt that touches the seat is unlikely to have many germs
18:24 <PovAddict> yet some people commute by train and subway touching lots of things that are touched by a million people each day, then arrive to work and sit at the computer without washing their hands first
18:24 <PovAddict> what's more likely to have germs after that...
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18:40 <e-30> how is everyone doing
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18:55 <Tank_Master> now thats an interesting bug...
18:56 <Tank_Master> BOINC isnt getting work from anasi because it wont finish in time...
18:56 <Tank_Master> anasi is a non CPU project
19:05 <Tank_Master> 6.10.6 now out for mac
19:06 * CoderForLife bounces in
19:06 <Tank_Master> wb cfl
19:06 <CoderForLife> howdy howdy howdy
19:06 <CoderForLife> how is everyone?
19:07 <Tank_Master> good
19:08 <CoderForLife> are you speaking for everyone, or is everyone not speaking?
19:09 <CoderForLife> heh, nuf said
19:09 <CoderForLife> &social
19:09 <CoderForLife> ah, it's all about PovAddict
19:10 <PovAddict> o_o?
19:10 <Romulus> Rumor has it o_o is ~450MB total, PovAddict
19:10 <CoderForLife> the Hub, the Nexus, the Fount of all Knowledge
19:10 <PovAddict> darn bot
19:10 <quail> &wx ypad
19:10 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 63Â°F / 17Â°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 8:30 AM CST; Unknown. High:60 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 ° F.; Overcast. Low:48 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:50 ° F.;
19:10 <CoderForLife> hi PovAddict quail and Tank_Master
19:11 <quail> CoderForLife: hi mate, how are you?
19:11 <CoderForLife> I had a good report from the doctor today
19:11 <quail> nice
19:11 <CoderForLife> indeed
19:12 <CoderForLife> and then spent $1400 on car maintenance
19:12 <Tank_Master> lol
19:12 <quail> so they took the insane bracelet off of you finally, hehe
19:12 <Tank_Master> so you were fine, but not the car
19:12 <Tank_Master> better than the other way around
19:12 <CoderForLife> the car feels better
19:12 <wdsmia> lol
19:13 <wdsmia> *lo Don
19:13 <CoderForLife> behold, Iowa awakens
19:13 <CoderForLife> howdy Doug
19:14 <CoderForLife> it's a good day when the doctor is happy with you and says you're the "poster child of progress"
19:14 <quail> 'lo Doug
19:15 <wdsmia> *lo q
19:16 * quail on 3g atm
19:16 * CoderForLife points to his poster child portrait and certficate plaque
19:16 * wdsmia looks for a large thunder storm to send to Ohio
19:16 <quail> heading down to Goolwa
19:16 <CoderForLife> the weather folks are whispering some fearful predictions for Sunday
19:17 <CoderForLife> some invasion from the south
19:17 <CoderForLife> Sounds like a good Coding day =)
19:17 <wdsmia> thats ok your football team cant play when its dry
19:18 <CoderForLife> what team would that be?
19:18 <CoderForLife> we have a professional football team in Cincinnati? since when?
19:19 <Tank_Master> lol
19:20 * CoderForLife shoots off a fireworks display that spells "6.9" in the sky
19:20 <wdsmia> thats right my mistake you dont even have a good collage them
19:21 <CoderForLife> um - are you dissing the collegiate champions the University of Cincinnati Bearcats?
19:21 <Tank_Master> lol
19:21 <wdsmia> Bearcats? thought they were kiddycats
19:23 <CoderForLife> http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footbl/cinn-m-footbl-body.html read it and fear for you life
19:24 <Tank_Master> huh, they play OSU tomorrow
19:24 <CoderForLife> the Beavers?
19:24 <Romulus> the Beavers are in there for a while, CoderForLife
19:24 <CoderForLife> right Rommie
19:24 <Tank_Master> yeah
19:25 <Tank_Master> forget beavers
19:25 <CoderForLife> for about 2 minutes
19:25 <Tank_Master> forget the beavers
19:25 <Romulus> 10-4!
19:25 <CoderForLife> looks like Cincy is 2-0 right now
19:26 <CoderForLife> lol they won 70-3!
19:27 <quail> w00t we back
19:27 <CoderForLife> wb
19:27 <quail> had a 3g drop out
19:27 <quail> hehe
19:27 <Tank_Master> bummer
19:27 <Tank_Master> should get 4g
19:27 <quail> lol
19:27 <Tank_Master> it drops out faster
19:27 <CoderForLife> are you moved quail?
19:28 <quail> CoderForLife: not yet, prob within a month
19:28 <CoderForLife> you've been planning it for quite some time
19:28 <CoderForLife> was there some construction involved?
19:29 <quail> yep, the house
19:29 <CoderForLife> that would do it
19:29 <Tank_Master> thats just a monor thing though
19:29 <Tank_Master> minor*
19:30 <quail> CoderForLife: and we still got the shed and floors to finish
19:30 <quail> and horse yards to build
19:31 <quail> brb
19:33 <CoderForLife> a horse must have gotten loose...
19:39 <Tank_Master> need to tighten it then
19:40 * wdsmia thows a horse shoe at Tank_Master
19:41 * Tank_Master trows a horse shoe crab at wdsmia
19:41 * wdsmia cooks it and has dinner
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20:12 <CoderForLife> gn
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22:09 <jasong> If I may ask a totally ignorant question, which would use less power in a wireless environment with a touchscreen, and I'm only talking about the power requirements of the touchscreen in this case. (1)A totally uncompressed stream where raw data is sent to the device, (2)compressing the data and having the screen uncompress it, or (3)a combination of the two?
22:10 <PovAddict> depends :)
22:10 <jasong> lol
22:10 <jasong> figures
22:10 <PovAddict> actually, wtf :P
22:10 <PovAddict> that's not just a touchscreen if it can receive wireless data
22:10 <jasong> I'm wanting an internet tablet, and I'm exploring what the problems are
22:11 <PovAddict> ok so it's a tablet with a touchscreen :)
22:11 <PovAddict> and wireless :)
22:11 <jasong> Okay, I may have phrased it badly
22:11 <PovAddict> and what would be the 'data'?
22:11 <PovAddict> a bitmap to be shown on the screen?
22:12 <jasong> Well, let's consider each scenario separately, there's only text option, there's static pictures, there's a small amount of animation, and then there's full-blown video
22:12 <PovAddict> uncompressed video is not feasible anywhere
22:12 <jasong> Where's the chokepoint if we're not spending a ton of money?
22:12 <jasong> oh
22:13 <PovAddict> even on a modern computer, if the video is fairly high res, I'm not sure if your hard disk would catch up
22:13 <jasong> No, I mean the transmission from the server is uncompressed
22:14 <jasong> The server itself would do the uncompressing
22:14 <PovAddict> I mean if a hard disk cannot cope with the data rate, I don't think a wireless network would
22:14 <jasong> ahhhh
22:14 <PovAddict> let's say 720p
22:14 <jasong> Okay, but would reducing compression reduce the power requirements of the tablet?
22:14 <PovAddict> &math calc 1280*720 * 30 * 3
22:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 82944000
22:14 <PovAddict> &math convert [math calc 1280*720 * 30 * 3] bytes to MB
22:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 82.944
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22:15 <PovAddict> there you go, 82 megabytes per second of video
22:15 <jasong> wow
22:15 <PovAddict> that's what "uncompressed" means :)
22:15 <jasong> closer to 83
22:15 <PovAddict> now, for video there are all sorts of different compression codecs
22:16 <PovAddict> with widely different tradeoffs on file size (= data rate), quality, and CPU requirements for decoding
22:16 <jasong> complicated
22:16 <jasong> I'm mean, it's sounding very complicated
22:16 <PovAddict> you can't get it small, good, and fast
22:16 <PovAddict> you have to lose on something :)
22:16 <jasong> pick 2, huh?
22:16 <PovAddict> pretty much
22:17 <PovAddict> you can decode full-blown MPEG4 with lower power requirement if you get specialized hardware
22:17 <PovAddict> but then you lose on a 4th component called "price" :)
22:18 <jasong> Yeah, that's the rub, you get a tiny device that's really cool, but it destroys your money
22:19 <PovAddict> it'd cost less (because it'd need a less advanced CPU) to use MPEG1
22:19 <jasong> Of course, if a maker who isn't Apple can get in the market, the hit on your wallet goes down at least 25% ;)
22:19 <PovAddict> but then you get either less video quality or higher file size
23:15 <wdsmia> Highest World position ever 51 at 2009-09-18 should break top 50 tomarrow :)
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23:36 <jasong> congrats
23:37 <wdsmia> thanks
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