IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-09-18

00:00 <zombie67> but still nothing that matches

00:00 <zombie67> luck!

00:01 <Tank_Master> :)

00:02 <Tank_Master> ill bbl, gonna go watch fringe

00:03 <zombie67> hf

00:03 <PovAddict> &whatis dl

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.

00:03 <PovAddict> &whatis download

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.

00:03 <PovAddict> &factoids search /dl/

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: No keys matched that query.

00:03 <PovAddict> &factoids search --values /dl/

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: 'boinc_dl', 'Windows', 'Windows32', 'Linux', 'Linux32', 'Linux64', 'Mac', 'OSX', 'OS X', 'win32', 'windows64', 'win64', 'winx64', and 'x86_64-pc-linux-gnu'

00:03 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl

00:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: "boinc_dl" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/

00:04 <PovAddict> &windows

00:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: lolwut?

00:04 <PovAddict> &whatis windows

00:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: "windows" could be http://boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe

00:04 <PovAddict> should I update that for 6.10?

00:07 <zombie67> no

00:08 <zombie67> according to the main dl page, 6.6.36 is still the one

00:09 <PovAddict> either way, that link is broken, boincdl.ssl.berkeley.edu doesn't seem to be accessible

00:09 <PovAddict> I'm updating them all to just point to boinc.berkeley.edu

00:09 <PovAddict> also

00:09 <PovAddict> zombie67: aren't these links for the benefit of us boincaholics keeping up with versions? :)

00:10 <zombie67> even the advanced page shows only .4

00:10 <PovAddict> well then should I update the links to point to 6.10.4 instead of 6.6.36?

00:10 <zombie67> "Can we at least get the manager not starting the client fixed?

00:10 <zombie67> "

00:10 <zombie67> .4 is crap

00:10 <zombie67> .5 is just out and probably crap too

00:10 <zombie67> we'll see

00:10 <PovAddict> &whatis Windows

00:10 <Romulus> PovAddict: "Windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe

00:11 <PovAddict> ok I have a solution then

00:11 <zombie67> .3 and less won't even install properly for me

00:11 <PovAddict> &factoids change Windows "s@.*@http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/files/Synecdoche_Win32-0.1.1.zip@"

00:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: 's@.*@http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/files/Synecdoche_Win32-0.1.1.zip@' is not a valid key id.

00:11 <PovAddict> &factoids change Windows 1 "s@.*@http://synecdoche.googlecode.com/files/Synecdoche_Win32-0.1.1.zip@"

00:11 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:11 <PovAddict> :D

00:12 <PovAddict> I better change that back before someone hurts me

00:12 <PovAddict> ...with a large Carp

00:12 <zombie67> hah

00:12 <PovAddict> &factoids change Windows 1 "s@.*@http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.6.36_windows_intelx86.exe@"

00:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:13 <PovAddict> &cpid zombie67

00:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: No factoid matches that key.

00:14 <PovAddict> &learn zombie67's CPID as 0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480

00:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:16 <zombie67> &cpid

00:16 <Romulus> zombie67: (cpid <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "whatis #boinc $1's CPID".

00:17 <zombie67> &cpid zombie67

00:17 <Romulus> zombie67: "zombie67's CPID" could be 0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480

00:17 <zombie67> could be?

00:17 <PovAddict> that's what it says for all factoids

00:17 <PovAddict> &whatis DD@H

00:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: "DD@H" could be (#1) DrugDiscovery@Home, new BOINC project, models the behavor of leading compounds that could be developed into new medicines, or (#2) Main site w/information http://drugdiscoveryathome.com/, or (#3) BOINC page: http://boinc.drugdiscoveryathome.com/

00:27 <PovAddict> &factoids change DD@H 1 s/avor/avior/

00:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

00:29 <PovAddict> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_search.png

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00:36 * PovAddict watches his hard disk free space go down while a file uncompresses

00:37 <PovAddict> I'm writing like two floppy disks worth of data per second

00:37 <PovAddict> how long did a floppy disk take to write from beginning to end?

00:44 <efc> Maybe a minute

00:46 <PovAddict> I bet some people in this channel can download off the internets faster than that

00:46 <PovAddict> oh wait, doing my maths wrong - probably we all can :P

00:46 <PovAddict> except maybe efc

00:46 <PovAddict> ;)

00:54 * efc uploads a witty response

01:01 <zombie67> Writing a whole floppy?  What size?  9"?  5?  3?

01:05 <zombie67> in any case, it was at least the time it took to take a pee, get a cup of coffee, and return

01:05 <efc> I'd assume a 3.5" 1.44 mb

01:05 <efc> they took a couple min to format

01:05 <zombie67> right

01:06 <PovAddict> I don't remember using 5" floppies; way too long ago

01:06 <PovAddict> and I have never SEEN a 9"

01:06 <zombie67> so at least that long

01:06 <zombie67> youg pup

01:06 <zombie67> young

01:06 <zombie67> i finally hit 1M at TLP

01:07 <zombie67> my credits don't know it yet

01:07 <zombie67> like when you kill someone, but they aren't dead yet

01:08 <zombie67> very annoying to have to go to the dl page manually

01:08 <zombie67> should be a link for advanced, and very advanced

01:08 <zombie67> upgrading a farm is a PITA

01:11 <efc> I used 5.25.. don't remember there being much of a performance diff

01:11 <zombie67> big diff in cpapacity@

01:11 <zombie67> !

01:12 <zombie67> jeeze...another msft update

01:12 <zombie67> that is like the 3rd in as many weeks

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01:16 <Tidus> *yawn*

01:18 <efc> "Because of overhead and these additional delays, the average sequential read speed is rather 30-70 KB/s than 125 KB/s."

01:18 <PovAddict> in floppies?

01:18 <efc> Yes

01:19 <efc> less than a 1X floppy

01:19 <Tidus> lol. I always knew floppies were slow. Took 55 seconds to fill one to capacity

01:19 <zombie67> which floppy?

01:19 <efc> And a lot faster than a POTS modem.

01:19 <efc> thats for 3.5

01:19 <zombie67> ah

01:19 <zombie67> fast

01:19 <Tidus> heh. The data modem in my phone only averages around 112k/sec

01:20 <zombie67> anyone ever pulled out a stack of platters from a winchester?

01:20 <zombie67> be gentle!

01:25 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl

01:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: "boinc_dl" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/

01:26 <PovAddict> &factouids change boinc_dl 1 "s/$/?C=M;O=D/"

01:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: lolwut?

01:26 <PovAddict> &factoids change boinc_dl 1 "s/$/?C=M;O=D/"

01:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

01:27 <Tidus> no clue what that just did

01:27 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl

01:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: "boinc_dl" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D

01:27 <PovAddict> those parameters at the end make it show newest files first

01:27 <Tidus> added string. Gotcha

01:27 <PovAddict> $ is end of string

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05:22 <CoderForLife> plink 65.19.129.18 - trying to hack into the warbird museum online store

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06:18 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 53.9F / 12.2C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the lower 80s. Northwest wind near 5 mph shifting to the east around 5 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 50s. East wind near 5 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. High in the upper 70s. (1 more message)

06:18 <wdsmia> &more

06:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;

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06:45 <hawmps> 'lo

06:54 <hawmps> Hmmm..  ACORN running a huge illegal homeloan racket... go figure.

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08:19 <CoderForLife> morning hawmps

08:19 <CoderForLife> oops - or not

08:20 <KathrynM> just wanted to say good $TIMEOFDAY

08:20 <KathrynM> I'm off to bed to nurse my miserable sinuses.

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08:50 <CoderForLife> wb hawmps

08:51 <CoderForLife> day off here from w@#% - took the car in this morning on a recall to fix a problem where if the airbag goes off it may shoot metal fragments through the body of the driver

08:52 <CoderForLife> also paying a visit to the primary care doctor around noon

08:53 <CoderForLife> or should I say the insurance company is paying, since my deductible is paid up this year

08:54 <CoderForLife> I'd hate for the former to cause the latter

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09:58 <CoderForLife> re-re-wb hawmps

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10:04 <diz_Child> which is boinc 5.x dataDirection?

10:07 <hawmps> eh?

10:07 <hawmps> brb

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10:07 <diz_Child> ...

10:07 <diz_Child> which is boinc 5.x dataDirection?

10:08 <diz_Child> how to be back from boinc 6.x to boinc 5.x without data lose?

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10:15 <diz_Child> -_-!!!

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10:57 <hawmps> /groans...

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11:35 <zombie67> RIP:  http://africangridlab.net/index.php

11:35 <Romulus> Title: African Grid Lab ALPHA (at africangridlab.net)

11:48 <hawmps> yea! got it!

11:48 <hawmps> both gpu's

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11:55 <hawmps> &wx 12020

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11:55 <hawmps> &more

11:55 <Romulus> hawmps: evening...then clearing. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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13:05 <rodrigoflores> Hi

13:06 <rodrigoflores> Does anybody here has a working environment to compile Boinc Apps in Microsoft Visual C++ ?

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13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

13:07 <yoyo[RKN]> MTughan: ?

13:07 <Romulus> Rumor has it MTughan: is the transfers tab fully !@#&ing, yoyo[RKN]

13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> need some mac compilations

13:09 <Tank_Master> forget MTughan

13:09 <Tank_Master> forget MTughan:

13:09 <Romulus> I hear ya, Tank_Master.

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13:39 <yoyo[RKN]> wb Rodrigo_

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13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo ?

13:46 <Romulus> yoyo is down, yoyo[RKN]

13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> forget yoyo:

13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> forget yoyo

13:46 <Romulus> Gotcha, yoyo[RKN].

13:46 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo ?

13:47 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo is at www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo

13:47 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo ?

13:47 <Romulus> I guess yoyo is at www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo, yoyo[RKN]

13:47 <PovAddict> I hate that factoid plugin

13:53 <Tank_Master> so whenever someone type in "word is" the pluging automaticly adds the word in?

13:54 <Rodrigo_> yoyo[RKN], hi

13:54 <PovAddict> yes Tank_Master

13:54 <Tank_Master> thats dumb

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> Tank_Master ?

13:54 <Romulus> Tank_Master is active now, so I can go and sleep, yoyo[RKN]

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> lol

13:55 <Tank_Master> ....

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13:55 <Tank_Master> thats just wrong

13:55 <Tank_Master> and you were defently the right person to ask that :D

13:56 <Rodrigo_> Does anybody here has a working environment to compile Boinc Apps in Microsoft Visual C++ ?

13:56 * yoyo[RKN] <--

13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> MS visual c++ express

13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> to compile the wrapper

13:57 <PovAddict> if you want someone to compile the wrapper for you and send you it, that's a very bad idea

13:58 <Rodrigo_> PovAddict, no. I want to someone help me setting the environment

13:58 <yoyo[RKN]> you must link the right boinc libs

13:58 <PovAddict> zombie67, hawmps: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/19091

13:58 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 19091 - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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14:02 <Rodrigo_> yoyo[RKN], how do I set these libs?

14:02 <Rodrigo_> in Properties -> Linker ?

14:02 <yoyo[RKN]> which faults do you get?

14:03 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: it looks like the wrapper proj is not linking to the BOINC API

14:03 <PovAddict> or libboinc

14:04 <Rodrigo_> http://www.pastelib.com/show/QRpJ29Aw

14:04 <Romulus> Title: Paste library for code and text | Pastelib.com (at www.pastelib.com)

14:04 <Rodrigo_> this is the error I get

14:06 <hawmps> POV... huh?

14:06 <hawmps> I found the error.

14:08 <PovAddict> hawmps: the problem with multi-GPU assignment on 6.6 was *just now* fixed

14:08 <PovAddict> that took a while...

14:09 <hawmps> mine was an xorg.conf error

14:09 <PovAddict> without that fix, BOINC will detect all GPUs but will run all tasks in the first GPU

14:10 <hawmps> what release?

14:10 <hawmps> 6.10.6?

14:10 <PovAddict> all 6.6s

14:10 <PovAddict> all 6.6s are broken wrt that, and no release with fix yet

14:10 <hawmps> what good is 6.6?

14:10 <hawmps> is it in 6.10.x ?

14:10 <PovAddict> true, 6.6 is no good, since they still didn't fix the "manager doesn't start client" bug :P

14:11 <PovAddict> dunno if bug is in 6.10

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14:15 <hawmps> got seti and einstein cuda running now..

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14:17 <Tank_Master> o0

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14:17 <Tank_Master> huh

14:17 <Tank_Master> alt+z closes the room

14:17 <Tank_Master> how annoying

14:17 <hawmps> shows .04 cpus and 2 gpus

14:19 <hawmps> e's show 1.0cpus and 1.0 gpus

14:20 <yoyo[RKN]> Rodrigo_ : your linker misses all the boinc symbols, so you have to add the boinc libraries

14:22 <hawmps> just changed seti to 0.5cpus and 2.0gpus

14:22 <hawmps> now it's crankin

14:24 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Sorry was AFK there. What apps?

14:25 <yoyo[RKN]> nfs@home

14:25 <MTughan> Source?

14:25 <Romulus> It has been said that Source is the better way, MTughan

14:25 <MTughan> forget Source

14:25 <Romulus> 10-4, MTughan.

14:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I pointed Greg to you, he will send me the source.

14:25 <yoyo[RKN]> I pointed also to this chat here

14:25 <Rodrigo_> yoyo[RKN], I have to add them in Linker->Input ?

14:26 <MTughan> He'll send you the source, or send me the source?

14:26 <yoyo[RKN]> He will give me a download url

14:26 <MTughan> K.

14:32 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, should be linker->input->additional dependencies

14:32 * yoyo[RKN] has a german version of visual c++ express

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14:41 <Rodrigo_> whick files I have to add ? All the lib directory?

14:42 <PovAddict> no, the *compiled* boinc api

14:45 <Rodrigo_> PovAddict, where do I find this "compiled" api?

14:45 <Tank_Master> &cad

14:45 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

14:45 <PovAddict> you compile it :)

14:45 <PovAddict> with the libboincapi.vcproj or whatever it's called

14:55 <Rodrigo_> PovAddict, thanks for your help

14:55 <Rodrigo_> I've compiled it

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15:08 <hawmps> looks like the seti cuda units crap out though.

15:22 <PovAddict> http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001772.html

15:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/m7e4xx> (at www.f-secure.com)

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15:41 <M6eis6ter6> nice one :D

15:43 * FreeLarry58 wonders what all those japanese charaters mean at botom of servermanager repliy meant

15:44 <PovAddict> you tell us :D

15:44 <FreeLarry58> cant read it iand takes too long to look up in kanji/japanese dictionary

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15:48 <dizzie> Hello

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16:13 <xcamel> Hi

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17:06 <Tank_Master> http://www.caligari.com/

17:06 <Romulus> Title: 3D Modeling Software - trueSpace (at www.caligari.com)

17:07 <Tank_Master> free 3d object making software...

17:20 <PovAddict> 6.10.6 tagged in SVN

17:20 <PovAddict> 6.10.6 for Windows available in /dl/

17:20 <PovAddict> &whatis boinc_dl

17:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: "boinc_dl" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/?C=M;O=D

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17:22 <Tank_Master> thx pov

17:22 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:22 <Tank_Master> cosre I installed .5 an hr ago :P

17:25 * wdsmia thinks he will wait till monday and .7 :p

17:25 <Tank_Master> odd

17:25 <Tank_Master> sais its .5

17:25 <Tank_Master> after I install it

17:26 <Tank_Master> 9/18/2009 2:25:59 PMStarting BOINC client version 6.10.5 for windows_x86_64

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18:17 <KathrynM> well, I was right.  I'm being ignored

18:18 * PovAddict waves a flag reading 'ignored'

18:18 <KathrynM> Linux is down to what?, 5th class citizen?

18:18 <KathrynM> win, mac, nvidia, ati, linux

18:19 <KathrynM> seems like that is the hierarchy these days

18:19 <PovAddict> yes, they don't seem to be caring about PTP/facebook anymore :P

18:19 <PovAddict> since there are ignored bugs in 6.8 too

18:19 <KathrynM> whoops forgot about them

18:19 <KathrynM> make us 6th class

18:20 <KathrynM> I'd like to kill the parents who send their precious snowflakes to school while sick.

18:20 <KathrynM> funny thing is, with the whole pig flu terror, we've been using that waterless hand cleaner like crazy

18:21 <KathrynM> I start using the cleaner.  I get sick

18:21 <KathrynM> Obviously, to stay healthy, I should not wash my hands.

18:21 <PovAddict> there was a study a few years ago...

18:21 <PovAddict> apparently a computer keyboard has a LOT more germs than a toilet seat, by far

18:22 <KathrynM> oh yeah

18:22 <PovAddict> makes sense if you think about it... nobody touches the toilet seat to avoid getting germs, but actually that makes nobody put germs on the seat

18:23 <PovAddict> the part of the butt that touches the seat is unlikely to have many germs

18:24 <PovAddict> yet some people commute by train and subway touching lots of things that are touched by a million people each day, then arrive to work and sit at the computer without washing their hands first

18:24 <PovAddict> what's more likely to have germs after that...

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18:40 <e-30> how is everyone doing

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18:55 <Tank_Master> now thats an interesting bug...

18:56 <Tank_Master> BOINC isnt getting work from anasi because it wont finish in time...

18:56 <Tank_Master> anasi is a non CPU project

19:05 <Tank_Master> 6.10.6 now out for mac

19:06 * CoderForLife bounces in

19:06 <Tank_Master> wb cfl

19:06 <CoderForLife> howdy howdy howdy

19:06 <CoderForLife> how is everyone?

19:07 <Tank_Master> good

19:08 <CoderForLife> are you speaking for everyone, or is everyone not speaking?

19:09 <CoderForLife> heh, nuf said

19:09 <CoderForLife> &social

19:09 <Romulus> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

19:09 <CoderForLife> ah, it's all about PovAddict

19:10 <PovAddict> o_o?

19:10 <Romulus> Rumor has it o_o is ~450MB total, PovAddict

19:10 <CoderForLife> the Hub, the Nexus, the Fount of all Knowledge

19:10 <PovAddict> darn bot

19:10 <quail> &wx ypad

19:10 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 8:30 AM CST; Unknown. High:60 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F.; Overcast. Low:48 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:50 F.;

19:10 <CoderForLife> hi PovAddict quail and Tank_Master

19:11 <quail> CoderForLife: hi mate, how are you?

19:11 <CoderForLife> I had a good report from the doctor today

19:11 <quail> nice

19:11 <CoderForLife> indeed

19:12 <CoderForLife> and then spent $1400 on car maintenance

19:12 <Tank_Master> lol

19:12 <quail> so they took the insane bracelet off of you finally, hehe

19:12 <Tank_Master> so you were fine, but not the car

19:12 <Tank_Master> better than the other way around

19:12 <CoderForLife> the car feels better

19:12 <wdsmia> lol

19:13 <wdsmia> *lo Don

19:13 <CoderForLife> behold, Iowa awakens

19:13 <CoderForLife> howdy Doug

19:14 <CoderForLife> it's a good day when the doctor is happy with you and says you're the "poster child of progress"

19:14 <quail> 'lo Doug

19:15 <wdsmia> *lo q

19:16 * quail on 3g atm

19:16 * CoderForLife points to his poster child portrait and certficate plaque

19:16 * wdsmia looks for a large thunder storm to send to Ohio

19:16 <quail> heading down to Goolwa

19:16 <CoderForLife> the weather folks are whispering some fearful predictions for Sunday

19:17 <CoderForLife> some invasion from the south

19:17 <CoderForLife> Sounds like a good Coding day =)

19:17 <wdsmia> thats ok your football team cant play when its dry

19:18 <CoderForLife> what team would that be?

19:18 <CoderForLife> we have a professional football team in Cincinnati?  since when?

19:19 <Tank_Master> lol

19:20 * CoderForLife shoots off a fireworks display that spells "6.9" in the sky

19:20 <wdsmia> thats right my mistake you dont even have a good collage them

19:21 <CoderForLife> um - are you dissing the collegiate champions the University of Cincinnati Bearcats?

19:21 <PovAddict> http://www.planobeta.com/wp-content/uploads/futebol-handegg.jpg

19:21 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/mfsnn8> (at www.planobeta.com)

19:21 <Tank_Master> lol

19:21 <wdsmia> Bearcats? thought they were kiddycats

19:23 <CoderForLife> http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footbl/cinn-m-footbl-body.html  read it and fear for you life

19:23 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/kr6gtp> (at www.gobearcats.com)

19:24 <Tank_Master> huh, they play OSU tomorrow

19:24 <CoderForLife> the Beavers?

19:24 <Romulus> the Beavers are in there for a while, CoderForLife

19:24 <CoderForLife> right Rommie

19:24 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:25 <Tank_Master> forget beavers

19:25 <CoderForLife> for about 2 minutes

19:25 <Tank_Master> forget the beavers

19:25 <Romulus> 10-4!

19:25 <CoderForLife> looks like Cincy is 2-0 right now

19:26 <CoderForLife> lol  they won 70-3!

19:27 <quail> w00t we back

19:27 <CoderForLife> wb

19:27 <quail> had a 3g drop out

19:27 <quail> hehe

19:27 <Tank_Master> bummer

19:27 <Tank_Master> should get 4g

19:27 <quail> lol

19:27 <Tank_Master> it drops out faster

19:27 <CoderForLife> are you moved quail?

19:28 <quail> CoderForLife: not yet, prob within a month

19:28 <CoderForLife> you've been planning it for quite some time

19:28 <CoderForLife> was there some construction involved?

19:29 <quail> yep, the house

19:29 <CoderForLife> that would do it

19:29 <Tank_Master> thats just a monor thing though

19:29 <Tank_Master> minor*

19:30 <quail> CoderForLife: and we still got the shed and floors to finish

19:30 <quail> and horse yards to build

19:31 <quail> brb

19:33 <CoderForLife> a horse must have gotten loose...

19:39 <Tank_Master> need to tighten it then

19:40 * wdsmia thows a horse shoe at Tank_Master

19:41 * Tank_Master trows a horse shoe crab at wdsmia

19:41 * wdsmia cooks it and has dinner

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20:12 <CoderForLife> gn

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22:09 <jasong> If I may ask a totally ignorant question, which would use less power in a wireless environment with a touchscreen, and I'm only talking about the power requirements of the touchscreen in this case. (1)A totally uncompressed stream where raw data is sent to the device, (2)compressing the data and having the screen uncompress it, or (3)a combination of the two?

22:10 <PovAddict> depends :)

22:10 <jasong> lol

22:10 <jasong> figures

22:10 <PovAddict> actually, wtf :P

22:10 <PovAddict> that's not just a touchscreen if it can receive wireless data

22:10 <jasong> I'm wanting an internet tablet, and I'm exploring what the problems are

22:11 <PovAddict> ok so it's a tablet with a touchscreen :)

22:11 <PovAddict> and wireless :)

22:11 <jasong> Okay, I may have phrased it badly

22:11 <PovAddict> and what would be the 'data'?

22:11 <PovAddict> a bitmap to be shown on the screen?

22:12 <jasong> Well, let's consider each scenario separately, there's only text option, there's static pictures, there's a small amount of animation, and then there's full-blown video

22:12 <PovAddict> uncompressed video is not feasible anywhere

22:12 <jasong> Where's the chokepoint if we're not spending a ton of money?

22:12 <jasong> oh

22:13 <PovAddict> even on a modern computer, if the video is fairly high res, I'm not sure if your hard disk would catch up

22:13 <jasong> No, I mean the transmission from the server is uncompressed

22:14 <jasong> The server itself would do the uncompressing

22:14 <PovAddict> I mean if a hard disk cannot cope with the data rate, I don't think a wireless network would

22:14 <jasong> ahhhh

22:14 <PovAddict> let's say 720p

22:14 <jasong> Okay, but would reducing compression reduce the power requirements of the tablet?

22:14 <PovAddict> &math calc 1280*720 * 30 * 3

22:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 82944000

22:14 <PovAddict> &math convert [math calc 1280*720 * 30 * 3] bytes to MB

22:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: 82.944

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22:15 <PovAddict> there you go, 82 megabytes per second of video

22:15 <jasong> wow

22:15 <PovAddict> that's what "uncompressed" means :)

22:15 <jasong> closer to 83

22:15 <PovAddict> now, for video there are all sorts of different compression codecs

22:16 <PovAddict> with widely different tradeoffs on file size (= data rate), quality, and CPU requirements for decoding

22:16 <jasong> complicated

22:16 <jasong> I'm mean, it's sounding very complicated

22:16 <PovAddict> you can't get it small, good, and fast

22:16 <PovAddict> you have to lose on something :)

22:16 <jasong> pick 2, huh?

22:16 <PovAddict> pretty much

22:17 <PovAddict> you can decode full-blown MPEG4 with lower power requirement if you get specialized hardware

22:17 <PovAddict> but then you lose on a 4th component called "price" :)

22:18 <jasong> Yeah, that's the rub, you get a tiny device that's really cool, but it destroys your money

22:19 <PovAddict> it'd cost less (because it'd need a less advanced CPU) to use MPEG1

22:19 <jasong> Of course, if a maker who isn't Apple can get in the market, the hit on your wallet goes down at least 25% ;)

22:19 <PovAddict> but then you get either less video quality or higher file size

23:15 <wdsmia> Highest World position ever 51 at 2009-09-18 should break top 50 tomarrow :)

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23:36 <jasong> congrats

23:37 <wdsmia> thanks

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