IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-09-23

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05:30 <PovAddict> the sun is starting to come out and I havent slept yet

05:31 <Tidus> same

05:52 <masterx831> Now Playing... Huey Lewis - If this is it

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06:15 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 55.3F / 12.9C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog through mid morning. A slight chance of showers in the morning...then a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the lower 70s. Northeast wind near 5 mph (2 more messages)

06:15 <wdsmia> &more

06:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: shifting to the west in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers. Low in the mid 50s. Northwest wind near 5 mph shifting to the northeast after midnight.; Thursday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the mid 70s. (1 more message)

06:15 <wdsmia> &more

06:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Southeast wind near 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.;

06:32 <hawmps> 'lo

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08:26 <hawmps> 6.10.6 seems to have solved the 'in process' bug finally.

08:29 <masterx831> &wx 32817

08:29 <Romulus> masterx831: Temperature: 77.0F / 25.0C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny through late morning...then considerable cloudiness with showers likely and isolated afternoon thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 90s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

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12:29 <Tank_Master> humm

12:30 <Tank_Master> boinc 6.10.7 is out for windows... whats new in it?

12:30 <wdsmia_w> the bugs :P

12:30 <Tank_Master> figures

12:40 <FreeLarry58> has any of the new boinc versions fixed the almost invisible problem with schedular?  getting a little tired of having to due project resets when i notice it not trying to get work from projects anymore

12:44 <wdsmia_w> from the check-in notes: - fix bug that caused unstarted coproc jobs to preempt ones already running. - fix preemption bug, this time fer sure!

13:03 <FreeLarry58> lol - believe it when i see it

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13:06 <hawmps> 'lo Larry

13:06 <FreeLarry58> lo jay

13:06 <hawmps> 6.10.6 seems to have solved a bunch of issues.

13:07 <FreeLarry58> worth a go then?

13:07 <hawmps> the linux version is

13:08 <FreeLarry58> ahh - does it function on fedora 8 or only 10 and above

13:08 * FreeLarry58 is down to only one linux machine again

13:09 <FreeLarry58> maybe can talk pov into upgrading the nix machine

13:09 <FreeLarry58> when he has (ha ha) time to spare that is

13:16 <hawmps> 'yes'

13:16 <hawmps> it works on all..

13:16 <FreeLarry58> good then - hope PovAddict takes note - but will follow up with him later

13:17 * FreeLarry58 noted that if he doesn't work with linux at least once a day he forgets the most basic of commands

13:17 * FreeLarry58 himself that is not PovAddict

13:26 <hawmps> FreeLarry58 should consider himself lucky.

13:30 <PovAddict> lucky for not remembering Linux commands?

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13:55 <Tank_Master> 6.10.6 is working fine for me (though im just running 1 project)

13:55 <Tank_Master> ill hold off further upgrades untill my orbit WU is done

14:03 <hawmps> it's working well.. seriously.

14:07 * wdsmia_w thinks Jay must have gotten O-bummertized

14:07 <hawmps> 'scuse me?

14:08 <wdsmia_w> it's working well.. seriously.

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14:31 <IdleOne> &whatis platform_list

14:31 <Romulus> IdleOne: "platform_list" could be

14:32 <IdleOne> &whatis linux

14:32 <Romulus> IdleOne: "linux" could be

14:32 <MTughan> Hmm, those should be updated...

14:32 <IdleOne> yup it's .40 now

14:32 <MTughan> IIRC, 6.6.40 is the latest 6.6 version.

14:34 <PovAddict> &factoids change linux 1 s/36/40/

14:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:35 <Tank_Master> &whatis windows

14:35 <Romulus> Tank_Master: "windows" could be

14:35 <Tank_Master> 6.6.38 is the latest for windows

14:36 <Tank_Master> for the 6.6

14:36 <PovAddict> does anyone know what's new in it?

14:36 <Tank_Master>

14:36 <Romulus> <> (at

14:37 <PovAddict> &factoids change windows 1 s/36/38/

14:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:37 <hawmps> &factoids change linux 1 s/6.40/10.6/

14:37 <Romulus> hawmps: The operation succeeded.

14:38 <hawmps> &whatis linux

14:38 <Romulus> hawmps: "linux" could be

14:39 <PovAddict> &factoids change linux32 1 s/6.36/10.6/

14:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:39 <PovAddict> &factoids change linux64 1 s/6.36/10.6/

14:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:39 <Tank_Master> windows is up to 10.7 now

14:40 <hawmps> &factoids change windows 1 s/6.38/10.7/

14:40 <Romulus> hawmps: The operation succeeded.

14:40 <hawmps> &whatis windows

14:40 <Romulus> hawmps: "windows" could be

14:41 <Tank_Master> &whatsis windowsx64

14:41 <Romulus> Tank_Master: No idea!

14:41 <Tank_Master> &whatsis win64

14:41 <Romulus> Tank_Master: I dunno.

14:41 <PovAddict> type the command correctly

14:41 <MTughan> &whatis windows64

14:41 <Romulus> MTughan: "windows64" could be

14:41 <Tank_Master> couldnt rememeber what you guys had it set as

14:41 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You were also typing whatsis instead of whatis.

14:42 <Tank_Master> dang keyboard

14:42 <MTughan> &whatis win64

14:42 <Romulus> MTughan: "win64" could be

14:42 <Tank_Master> seems the 64bit needs to be updated to

14:43 <PovAddict> there's multiple aliases

14:43 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:43 <hawmps> &factoids change win64 1 s/6.36/10.7/

14:43 <Romulus> hawmps: The operation succeeded.

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14:43 <jackygrahamez_> hi

14:43 <hawmps> 'lo

14:43 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez_!

14:43 <Tank_Master> wb

14:43 <hawmps> &whatis win64

14:43 <Romulus> hawmps: "win64" could be

14:43 <Tank_Master> &whatis mac

14:43 <Romulus> Tank_Master: "mac" could be

14:44 <PovAddict> &factoids change winx64 1 s/6.36/10.7/

14:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:44 <PovAddict> &factoids change windows64 1 s/6.36/10.7/

14:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

14:44 <PovAddict> there's all those name variations because it's what people have actually tried in &whatis in the past...

14:45 <MTughan> &learn windows as

14:45 <Romulus> MTughan: The operation succeeded.

14:45 <MTughan> &windows

14:45 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?

14:45 <MTughan> &whatis windows

14:45 <Romulus> MTughan: "windows" could be (#1), or (#2)

14:45 <MTughan> Replies with both. That work?

14:45 <Tank_Master> dont see whay not

14:46 <Tank_Master> mac is up to 6.6.37 adn 6.10.6

14:47 <Tank_Master> and*

14:47 * PovAddict would rather have a smarter bot that can eg. check for updates from download_all.php

14:47 <Tank_Master> that would be nice :)

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14:57 <hawmps> so write an add-on

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15:17 <hawmps> seti units now running cleanly @ 14 minutes.

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15:34 <Tank_Master>

15:34 <Romulus> Title: 6.10.7 – BC-Wiki (at

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16:02 <jcrawford> someone that can lend a hand with a fedora 11 install?

16:02 <jcrawford> I keep getting this when I try to launch boinc_client

16:02 <Romulus> Title: Paste2: Next Generation Pastebin - Viewing Paste 434600 (at

16:05 <jcrawford> anyone?

16:06 <Nickuwo> eh...

16:12 <jcrawford> ah looks like it is working now

16:12 <jcrawford> but.. is complaining that i have no projects attached

16:12 <jcrawford> can someone direct me to the manual on how to do that?

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16:17 <jcrawford> anyone?

16:18 <jcrawford> wow i guess this project is slowing down eh.. i remember more users back in the day

16:21 <MTughan> jcrawford: You'll have to choose projects to participate in.

16:23 <jcrawford> MTughan, yea i was trying to do that

16:23 <jcrawford> but I found that i had to select Advanced -> select computer and enter in the hash etc.

16:23 <jcrawford> now I think i got it

16:24 <MTughan> ... They still haven't fixed that? >_>

16:25 <jcrawford> guess not

16:25 <jcrawford> do i have to select Advanced -> Select Computer every time i launch the manager?

16:25 <jcrawford> i just closed it and re-opened and had to enter it again doh

16:26 <MTughan> Unless you correct the filesystem, yes.

16:26 <MTughan> Do you know what user the daemon is running under?

16:27 <jcrawford> i can find out

16:27 <jcrawford> moment

16:30 <jcrawford> currently running as my user

16:30 <jcrawford> but that is because i started it manually

16:30 <jcrawford> probably will run as root when i reboot

16:31 <jcrawford> where does that cfg file need to be placed so that I do not have to keep entering it upon startup of the GUI?

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16:39 <jcrawford> ah i think i got it

16:39 <jcrawford>

16:39 <Romulus> <> (at

16:40 <jcrawford> setup your accounts section helped me get it without authentication :D

16:41 * FreeLarry58 feels lucky if he can remembr his name when he wakes up - and sometimes gender

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16:57 <quail> 'morning all, how's everyone?

17:03 <PovAddict> jcrawford made a mess on his system: using his $HOME as data directory

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17:38 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:47 <quail> hi Doug

17:48 <quail> wdsmia: how are things?

17:48 <wdsmia> *lo q

17:48 <quail> &wx ypad

17:48 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM CST; Unknown. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 F.; Chance of Rain. High:68 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:48 F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:44 F.;

17:48 <wdsmia> it was a long day at w@#%

17:48 <quail> :-(

17:48 <wdsmia> Ice cold Beer is making up for it :)

17:49 * quail is trying to become a Debian package maintianer :-)

17:49 <wdsmia> why?

17:49 <quail> beer is always good after a long day

17:50 <quail> wdsmia: so I can get some packages I like to see in Debian

17:50 <wdsmia> AMD released the 58xx ati cards today

17:51 <MTughan> And stock is apparently short.

17:52 <wdsmia> I'll wait for rev b cheaper and debuged

17:52 <quail> wdsmia: and one of the python program I deal with is a bit of pita to install unless you know the correct prefix to send to it to install properly, so it easier to make a deb package for it and get it in Debian

17:53 <PovAddict> I should learn the art of .deb packaging

17:53 <quail> wdsmia: and becoming a Debian package maintainer is another notch in my belt :-)

17:53 <wdsmia> easyer to install doze :P

17:53 <PovAddict> I wish doze had a packaging system

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17:55 <quail> wdsmia: and the program developer has given me permission to try get his program into Debian :-)

17:55 <wdsmia> :)

17:56 <quail> and as a maintainer all I have to worry about is how Debian builds the package :-)

17:57 <quail> but it hard to find a sponsor

17:58 <wdsmia> wow!  just checked my stats... 2009-09-23  827,766 coments allowed from the peanut gallary pov :P

17:58 <MTughan> RAC?

17:59 <Romulus> Somebody said RAC is about 2300, MTughan

17:59 <PovAddict> forget RAC

17:59 <Romulus> I hear ya!

17:59 <PovAddict> Romulus: unload moobotfactoids

17:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

17:59 <wdsmia> daily total today

18:00 <PovAddict> I'm first in team in Docking@Home

18:00 <wdsmia> best day

18:01 <wdsmia> lol @pov Number of active members 2

18:02 <PovAddict> yup lol

18:02 <jackygrahamez_> congratulations

18:02 <PovAddict>

18:02 <Romulus> <> (at

18:02 <PovAddict> 2nd in country

18:02 <jackygrahamez_> did you see the docking@home second life animation?

18:02 <PovAddict> out of 15 lol

18:04 <jackygrahamez_> btw what about using the log files for the app as a way to checkpoint?

18:07 <wdsmia> Theres 15 computers in Argentina? lol someone must have traded in the Donkey to get the 15th :P

18:07 <PovAddict> for just that project...

18:07 <quail> wdsmia: lol

18:07 * wdsmia ducks

18:07 <quail> hehe

18:07 <PovAddict> but yeah, low overall

18:08 * Tank_Master gooses

18:08 <PovAddict> in SETI I'm 1532 out of 4908

18:08 <jackygrahamez_> well if DA likes the idea I'm sure he will find a way to make it generalized, but I'll see if I can make it work by looking at my own log files

18:09 <wdsmia> Position in Country stats 20 out of 454617

18:10 <Tank_Master> position in my own little world: 78 of 78

18:10 <PovAddict> yeah well, I don't do seti

18:11 <wdsmia> neather do I anymore think im in 1300+

18:11 <PovAddict> ah so you're 20th in boinc combined?

18:12 <wdsmia> may do more it Rom comes up with a ati app :P

18:12 <PovAddict> I don't care about boinc combined, I take the number as meaningless

18:12 <quail> &time

18:12 <Romulus> quail: 06:12 PM, September 23, 2009

18:13 <wdsmia> 20 in combined country stats

18:13 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez_, what sl animation?

18:13 <wdsmia> 49th worldwide

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18:22 <jackygrahamez_> ? what sl animation?

18:26 <PovAddict> [19:02] <jackygrahamez_> did you see the docking@home second life animation?

18:40 <jackygrahamez_> oh yeah hold on

18:40 <Tank_Master> lol

18:41 <jackygrahamez_> Well I can't find it now :-(

18:41 <Tank_Master> figures

18:57 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:57 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 70.2F / 21.2C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A chance of light showers and isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind near 5 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight. Chance of (1 more message)

18:57 <wdsmia> &more

18:57 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 50 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of light showers. High around 70. Southeast wind near 5 mph.; Thursday Night - Showers likely and isolated thunderstorms. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.;

18:58 <CoderForLife> greetings

18:59 <wdsmia> *lo Don

18:59 <CoderForLife> heya Doug

18:59 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 71.9F / 22.2C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely early this evening...then cloudy with a chance of showers. Muggy. Lows in the upper 60s. West winds around 5 mph early this evening...becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 70 percent.; (1 more message)

18:59 <CoderForLife> &more

18:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of showers. Highs in the mid 70s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening. Lows in the lower 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

18:59 <CoderForLife> &social

18:59 <Romulus>

19:01 <CoderForLife> the universe revolves around Rommie and PovAddict - TankMaster is suborbital

19:01 <wdsmia> lol

19:01 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

19:01 <PovAddict> heh

19:03 <CoderForLife> it's a binary star system

19:03 <wdsmia> PovAddict talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 180 times!

19:04 <PovAddict> 180? o_O

19:04 <wdsmia> Another lonely one was CoderForLife, who managed to hit 160 times.

19:04 <CoderForLife> a Coder's existence is a lonely one

19:07 <CoderForLife> heh  - Toyota web ad for the Venza has in bold letters below the VENZA brand name "ROLLOVER TO EXPLORE INSIDE"

19:07 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't associate any vehicle brand with the word ROLLOVER

19:08 <wdsmia> lol

19:08 <CoderForLife> That's similar to trying to sell the Chevy "Nova" in Spanish-speaking countries

19:08 <CoderForLife> eh, PovAddict?

19:08 <wdsmia> true

19:09 <PovAddict> why?

19:09 * CoderForLife waits

19:10 <CoderForLife> no va

19:10 <PovAddict> oh :p

19:10 <CoderForLife> heh

19:10 <CoderForLife> great name for a car

19:11 <CoderForLife> I heard that Coca-Cola in Chinese sounds like "happy drink"

19:12 <CoderForLife> but I digress

19:21 <masterx831> does anyone knows how to create multipage with XPDF?

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19:26 <jackygrahamez_> what is fpops?

19:26 <jackygrahamez_> dang

19:27 * PovAddict revokes jack's boinc admin license

19:27 <jackygrahamez_> ;-(

19:27 <jackygrahamez_> what can I do to get it back?

19:28 <jackygrahamez_> stop admining while drunk?

19:29 <jackygrahamez_> how does one estimate the fpops again?

19:30 <wdsmia> we wouldnt want you to try to work in a un-natural state

19:30 <jackygrahamez_> (est run time * 3600) * fpops Bench = fpops estimate ?

19:31 <PovAddict> no 3600 multiply

19:31 <PovAddict> measure everything in seconds

19:31 <jackygrahamez_> so run time x fpops bench on a good host?

19:31 <CoderForLife> an unnatural state - like West Virginia?

19:32 <wdsmia> more like Ohio :P

19:32 <PovAddict> yes

19:32 <jackygrahamez_> what do you mean WV unnatural, he he

19:32 <CoderForLife> I was going to omit Iowa from the list to be kind

19:32 <CoderForLife> but since you showed your hand...

19:32 <wdsmia> was it ever on the list?

19:33 <CoderForLife> why do you keep your hand in there?

19:33 <jackygrahamez_> so I get an average host to run cpu benchmark? and then I take floating points whetstone per cpu?

19:33 <PovAddict> yes

19:34 <CoderForLife> here's someone trying to carry on a reasonable, on-topic thread

19:34 <wdsmia> silly then

19:34 <wdsmia> err them

19:34 <wdsmia> key moved

19:34 <CoderForLife> sure sure

19:35 <PovAddict> and/or send a dozen tasks, and take an average based on the benchmarks and runtimes of the hosts that get those test tasks

19:35 <CoderForLife> like a good Coder, blame it on hardware

19:35 <PovAddict> or on another developer

19:35 <PovAddict> what are the stages of a project again?

19:35 <wdsmia> like a good hardware tech blame it on the programer

19:36 <Tank_Master> let someone else do it

19:36 <CoderForLife>

19:36 <Romulus> <> (at

19:36 <PovAddict> Murphy's law ("if something can go wrong, it will") doesn't directly apply to computers

19:36 <PovAddict> for computers it goes "if something can go wrong, it already did, and you didn't notice"

19:37 <wdsmia> first rule of computing... to error is human to really scew up requires a computer

19:39 <CoderForLife> or just a keyboard

19:40 <wdsmia> PEBCK problem exists between chair and keyboard

19:41 <jackygrahamez_> can the checkpoint file defined in the job file be used for multiple checkpoints within a task?

19:41 <CoderForLife> it the best place to start looking, at least

19:41 <jackygrahamez_> or do I have to just change the code for wrapper?

19:43 <PovAddict>

19:43 <Romulus> Title: English Russia Longest Wedding Procession of the Same Car Make (at

19:48 <KathrynM> It's Thursday

19:49 <wdsmia> not yet

19:49 <wdsmia> well not here

19:51 <wdsmia> anyone notice that Kathryn is allways way ahead of us :)

19:52 <jackygrahamez_> she's a fast woman

19:52 <jackygrahamez_> my moma always told me to stay away from them

19:53 <CoderForLife> Happy Thursday KathrynM

19:55 <KathrynM> You're momma's a smart woman jackygrahamez_

19:56 <PovAddict> "you're"? from an English teacher?

19:56 <PovAddict> ;)

19:56 <jackygrahamez_> watch y'all toking bout?

19:57 * KathrynM hangs head in shame

20:01 <CoderForLife> bee knot ashamed

20:05 <CoderForLife> gn all

20:07 <jackygrahamez_> night

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22:54 <masterx831> females are pathetic it takes them hella ages to do something on the compter

22:54 <masterx831> when it suppose to take 5 mins to do it

22:55 <masterx831> I could manage to watch porn for 5 mins and be able to masterbate

22:56 * wdsmia asks the room to please watch their language Thanks, your friendly channel op

22:57 <masterx831> wdsmia: I did not curse you numb brain

22:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o wdsmia

22:57 <masterx831> &w 32817

22:57 <Romulus> masterx831: No idea!

22:57 <masterx831> &wx 32817

22:57 <Romulus> masterx831: Temperature: 78.8F / 26.0C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the mid 70s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Thursday - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and a slight chance of afternoon (1 more message)

22:58 <masterx831> CoderForLife: are you there?

22:58 <wdsmia> I didnt say that you cursed

22:59 <wdsmia> and its not wise to call channel ops numb brains ;)

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23:01 <masterx831> okay this channel was practically dead for the passed 30 minutes, as soon I said something at the current timestamp 22:54 you typed a message, and not to mention numb brain is just a metaphor to think before we type :-)

23:02 <masterx831> wdsmia: of course i respect you I wouldn't curse at you.

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23:03 <wdsmia> suck-ups can get kicked to :P

23:05 <masterx831> i don't i suck up i respect everyone equally

23:06 <masterx831> I wonder how long my computer been up

23:06 <masterx831> jesus feels like it's been up for 2 weeks

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23:25 <FreeLarry58> humm masterx831 must be on east coast as only 2025 here

23:26 <FreeLarry58> MTughan you playing dog again and trying to remove these unholy heathans from face again?

23:26 <MTughan> ?

23:26 <FreeLarry58> good thing irc catches excess flooding

23:26 <FreeLarry58> try thinking backwards

23:26 <MTughan> No, our power flickered and our network connection dropped. When I reconnected to the bouncer, it apparently sent too much data.

23:27 <FreeLarry58> ouch

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23:28 <FreeLarry58> trying 6.10.7 on an i7 machine - 6.6.36 sometimes drops out and then i have to reset the dns server info to get things back again - not sure whats causing it

23:29 <PovAddict> nothing is reliable anymore

23:29 <MTughan> As you've said many times, "software sucks."

23:29 <MTughan> And so do vacuums, although they have nothing to do with each other.

23:30 <FreeLarry58> humm at work it seems like they have to turn on a computer to get vacumm to start

23:31 <FreeLarry58> no wonder there is lots of dust in air

23:32 <FreeLarry58> 10.7 doesn't seem to want to restart an nqueen unit that reached 100% but didn't get to upload phase is only thing got to grip about so far - rest of it seems to be running fine

23:33 <PovAddict> "the only time Microsoft will make something that doesn't suck is the day they build a vacuum cleaner"

23:33 * FreeLarry58 goes to find lava soap to scrub dirty fingers for using forbidden w word

23:34 <FreeLarry58> then it blows?

23:34 <efc> I see ribbons are coming to Firefox...

23:34 <MTughan> Apparently, you'll have the option to switch back though.

23:34 <MTughan> Or so I hear.

23:34 <PovAddict> efc: openoffice is working on it too :P

23:35 <PovAddict> wait what

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23:35 <PovAddict> they are *seriously* coming to Firefox?

23:35 <zombie67> 'sup with pirates?

23:35 <MTughan> PovAddict: Was on Slashdot this morning.

23:35 <FreeLarry58> ribbons? what do hair decoration got to do with a fox?

23:35 <zombie67> they put out work, and now I can't return it for several days

23:36 <zombie67> who are coming to FF?  Vixins?

23:36 <FreeLarry58> don't know zombie67 all work i got is already back but haven't been able to get any more for last 2 days

23:36 <MTughan> PovAddict, zombie67:

23:36 <Romulus> <> (at

23:39 <efc> Maybe ribbons make sense for office with 10 billion options, but a web browser doesn't have so many

23:39 <zombie67> oh, the ribbon?

23:39 <efc> Maybe, different UIs for different programs.

23:39 <MTughan> Yeah.

23:40 <zombie67> I have never used the version of office with it.  I am a neo/open/star-office user

23:40 <jackygrahamez_> can I go back to that friendly blue screen with the white text?

23:40 <zombie67> however, I have never heard anyone who liked it

23:40 <MTughan> jackygrahamez_: Sure. Unseat some RAM. :P

23:42 <FreeLarry58> well have a good night picking at the various software - think its time to nap again

23:44 <efc> The Lotus 1-2-3 type stuff wasn't bad..

23:55 <PovAddict> I don't do wysiwyg anyway

23:55 <PovAddict> like Word

23:55 <PovAddict> what you see on screen is what you'll get on paper, but is it maintainable?

23:56 <efc> I don't think I've ever really liked Word. I used it back in the DOS days, too.

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23:56 <efc> Back then it was a text editor with a graphics preview

23:56 * zombie67 LOVED 123

23:56 <PovAddict> if you make a line be a Heading, or if you make it bold and increase the font size, the document *looks* the same either way

23:56 <zombie67> mouse interface just slows it all down

23:57 * zombie67 ALSO loved fixes width fonts

23:57 <PovAddict> but in the former case, you can easily change the style of all headings in the document, and you get automatic table of contents

23:58 <PovAddict> so what you see (the same in both cases) is not what you get (different maintaintability and features)

23:59 <efc> The more advanced users use the Word "Styles" for everything

23:59 <efc> formatting related

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