IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-09-26

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01:13 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

01:13 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 45.7°F / 7.6°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.19in / 1022.2hPa | Conditions: Patches of Fog | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 7:12 AM CEST; Unknown. High:59 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:69 F.; Clear. Low:44 F.; Clear. High:73 F.; Clear. Low:48 F.;

01:14 <MTughan> Morning yoyo.

01:14 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

01:21 <Tank_Master> night

01:29 <Tank_Master> 99% done with this orbit WU

01:30 <Tank_Master> should I abort it? :P

01:30 <Tank_Master> 167h elapsed

01:32 * yoyo[RKN] has also a orbit monster

01:32 <Tank_Master> they sure do take long

01:32 <Tank_Master> hope I get the credit for it

01:35 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed

01:36 <jasong> Have any of you considered the possibility that if you really do find a "death rock" some mentally deranged person may blame you and kill you for "sending" it to them?

01:36 <jasong> stranger things have happened

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01:40 <PovAddict> what the hell is a death rock?

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03:25 <jasong> I was talking about the orbit@home project

03:25 <jasong> the whole point is to determine whether or not we'll get smacked with a big rock in the near future

03:25 <jasong> (the earth, I mean)

03:44 <quail> &wx ypad

03:44 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM CST; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F.; Clear. High:64 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:46 F.;

03:46 <quail> &wx YMHB

03:46 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.21in / 989hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 5:30 PM EST; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Rain. Low:42 F.; Rain. High:53 F.; Rain. Low:46 F.; Chance of Rain. High:53 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:44 F.;

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08:51 <ReggyLove> how can i get boinc to use my gpu ?

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08:57 <jackygrahamez_> hi

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09:23 <jackygrahamez_> hi

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09:44 <yoyo_RKN> hi jackygrahamez_

09:47 <jackygrahamez_> hi yoyo

09:47 <jackygrahamez_> did you try this new wrapper yet?

09:50 <yoyo_RKN> no

09:51 <yoyo_RKN> i have my own wrapper,  which have app specific changes

09:52 <Cyber_Reggy> can i use an ati card gpu to run boinc, if yes where can i find a howto

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10:46 <e-30> how is everyone doing today

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12:21 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

12:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 59.6F / 15.3C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy with isolated showers. High in the upper 60s. Southwest wind around 5 mph. Chance of showers 20 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 50s. Southwest wind near 5 mph.; Sunday - (1 more message)

12:21 <wdsmia> &more

12:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Sunny...breezy...warmer. High in the lower 80s. Southwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

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13:11 <yomshleeshee> &wx 63121

13:11 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: Temperature: 68.1F / 20.1C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 29.49in / 998.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. Chance of showers and thunderstorms late in the morning...then showers and thunderstorms likely in the afternoon. High in the mid 70s. Light wind. Chance of rain 60 percent.; (1 more message)

13:12 <yomshleeshee> yep, here it comes...

13:13 <wdsmia> &zipinfo 63121

13:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: City: Saint Louis; State: MO; County: Saint Louis; Area Code: 314; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 38.7055 (North); Longitude: 90.3021 (West)

13:13 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

13:13 <Tank_Master> &more

13:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 58.5F / 14.7C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Patchy morning clouds...otherwise mostly sunny. Highs 75 to 80. Light wind becoming northwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 40 to 50. Northwest wind 10 to 15 (1 more message)

13:13 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph...becoming light wind after midnight. Near The Gorge...west wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the east after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 80. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph...except east wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.;

13:14 <yomshleeshee> &zipinfo 97123

13:14 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: City: Hillsboro; State: OR; County: Washington; Area Code: 503; Time Zone: PST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 45.4461 (North); Longitude: 122.9838 (West)

13:14 <Tank_Master> heh

13:14 <yomshleeshee> hmm OR is doing better than MO

13:14 <Tank_Master> area code is a bit wrong

13:14 <Tank_Master> theres 2 here

13:15 <yomshleeshee> it's noon(ish) and it's about as dark as 8pm o.O/w 2

13:15 <yomshleeshee> ignore /w 2

13:15 <Tank_Master> I dont see any clouds now

13:16 <Tank_Master> can always tell when the locals write up the weather report

13:17 <Tank_Master> "the gorge" is capitilzed and doesnt state wich one :P

13:17 <yomshleeshee> :-o

13:17 <Tank_Master> yet we know where they are refering to

13:18 * wdsmia pushes Tank_Master into The Gorge

13:19 * Tank_Master gets his kite and surff board

13:19 <Tank_Master> the gorge is the kite surffing capital of the world

13:19 * yomshleeshee notices people are getting pushed into geographical features a lot here

13:20 * yomshleeshee was pushed into a crevasse yesterday

13:20 * Tank_Master pushing yomshleeshee into a graphical feature

13:20 <yomshleeshee> here we go again...

13:21 <Tank_Master> &wx seattle, wa

13:21 <Tank_Master> &more

13:21 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 60.8F / 16.0C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Areas of morning clouds otherwise mostly sunny. Highs in the 60s to lower 70s. Light wind becoming north near 10 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Sunday - (1 more message)

13:21 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Partly sunny in the morning then clearing. Patchy morning fog. Highs in the 60s to lower 70s. North wind near 10 mph.;

13:24 <wdsmia> Olivia Newton-John turns 61

13:24 * wdsmia feels old

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15:13 <fmauNeko> hi :)

15:14 <fmauNeko> do you know if i can find some kind of BAM! admin on the IRC ?

15:16 <Tank_Master> probably easier in the forums on boincstats

15:29 <fmauNeko> thx

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17:06 <Tidus> &whatis platform_list

17:06 <Romulus> Tidus: "platform_list" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php

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17:15 <zombie67> 6.10.8?  6.10.9?  What's changed with each version?  There was nothing posted to any of the email lists about them.

17:16 <zombie67> They used to do that

17:20 <wdsmia> .9 fixes a symbol file generation problem, this only matters if you experience a crash, .8 wouldn't be able to generate a stack trace and dump it to stderrdae.txt and .9 should be able to again.

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17:31 <zombie67> thanks.  Too bad none of that documented anywhere users look.

17:36 <wdsmia> just need to know where to look :P

17:40 <wdsmia> why in the hell are people bothering to run builds I haven't even bothered to announce to the alpha test group?

17:41 <wdsmia> these builds won't really show an improvement until after a server update as well as an app version update.

17:41 <wdsmia> We are testing both in the test project. Once completed I'll send out the release email.

17:41 <wdsmia> per Rom

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17:54 <jackygrahamez_> hi

17:55 <wdsmia> *lo jack

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18:47 <Tank_Master> zombie67 .9 also added some things for ATI

18:47 <Tank_Master> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2518

18:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yd73tay> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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19:01 <PovAddict> ok, I definitely have to change this power supply

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19:29 <zombie67> If the builds are put on the dl server, there should be release notes for each.

19:30 <zombie67> regardless of the reason of the build

19:31 <PovAddict> there should be release notes *in* the build...

19:37 <zombie67> huh.  where did ageless get those notes?

19:37 <zombie67> they were not posted to the mail lists

19:37 <PovAddict> where?

19:37 <PovAddict> forum?

19:37 <Romulus> Somebody said forum is staying on current server, PovAddict

19:37 <PovAddict> hush bot

19:38 <Tank_Master> forget forum

19:38 <Romulus> Got it.

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19:39 <zombie67> yeah, the URL you posted above.

19:39 <zombie67> the notes for .8 and .9 (last message).

19:39 <zombie67> where did they come from?

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19:39 <PovAddict> &url last

19:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2518

19:39 <Tank_Master> at the bottome

19:39 <PovAddict> I posted that?

19:39 <Tank_Master> no, I did

19:40 <zombie67> oops yeah, what TM posted

19:40 <PovAddict> I think he's just getting them from SVN

19:40 <zombie67> well that's crap

19:40 <PovAddict> like, he's manually putting these together: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/19180

19:40 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 19180 - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:41 <PovAddict> that's what Rom posts on the lists too; and it's not really an acceptable changelog...

19:41 <PovAddict> eg. what does "client: back out res_init() change; it didn't work" mean for the user?

19:42 <zombie67> the point:  We are told the forum is *not* official.

19:42 <PovAddict> it's not

19:42 <zombie67> The mail lists are the official place

19:42 <PovAddict> the changelog ageless posts there is *not* official

19:42 <zombie67> so we should be looking on the email lists for release notes

19:43 <PovAddict> well, Rom says you shouldn't be downloading those builds before he posts on the mailing lists anyway

19:44 <zombie67> every build should have release notes, even if we are not supposed to use it

19:44 <PovAddict> agreed

19:45 <zombie67> and the dl server does not note which we should/should not be using

19:45 <zombie67> so that is a bogus rule

19:45 <zombie67> QED

19:45 <PovAddict> well, there is no reason why /dl/ should be accessible at all; they could disable file listing...

19:47 <zombie67> that would make sense

19:50 <Tank_Master> new beta geforce driver released yesterday

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20:29 <zombie67> dl server is damn slow

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20:35 <zombie67> wow.  took 5 min to d/l a boinc client

20:35 <zombie67> and the first time, it was corrupt

21:07 <zombie67> finally broke 250k in orbit.  WHEW!

21:09 <Tank_Master> :)

21:09 <Tank_Master> I still have 2 orbits pending

21:09 <Tank_Master> and I did finish that one WU last night

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21:52 <zombie67> from out team message boards, about non-CPU tasks at Freehal:

21:52 <zombie67> My boxen that have GPU's running Boinc 6.10.6 seem to only download 1 wu at a time.  The boxen that are running older Boinc versions and no GPU seem to get my FreeHal pref.  Could this be the problem, are the rest of you that are talking about 1 wu running something simular to me box that only get 1 wu.

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22:12 <PovAddict> freehal is a joke anyway

22:12 <PovAddict> it's 6-second WUs slowed down and called "non-CPU-intensive"

22:12 <PovAddict> the admin either doesn't understand BOINC or is intentionally gaming the system

22:19 <zombie67> I know.

22:19 <zombie67> but put that aside

22:19 <zombie67> it looks like the new version of BOINC breaks something

22:19 <PovAddict> &grab zombie67

22:19 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

22:20 <PovAddict> that quote is applicable for the last five years and the future five years...

22:20 <PovAddict> at least

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22:37 <jackygrahamez___> no

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22:38 <jackygrahamez_> &wx 20011

22:38 <Romulus> jackygrahamez_: Temperature: 59.5F / 15.3C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Occasional rain. Lows around 60. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Sunday - Cloudy with rain likely in the morning...then partly sunny with a chance of showers in the (1 more message)

22:39 <jackygrahamez_> &more

22:39 <Romulus> jackygrahamez_: afternoon. Highs in the mid 70s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Coastal Flood Advisory for District of Columbia County in effect until 4:00 AM EDT on September 27, 2009;

22:39 <zombie67> DepSpid also used the multiple task function

22:40 <zombie67> is is that a standard part of BOINC?

22:40 <zombie67> or did each project develop their own methodology?

22:41 <PovAddict> all projects can choose how many tasks will be sent in a single request

22:41 <PovAddict> the client doesn't ask for work from a non-CPU-intensive project until it runs out of work for it

22:42 <PovAddict> and the client runs all available non-CPU-intensive workunits at once

22:42 <PovAddict> thus, an NCI project can choose how many tasks will be running on the client at the same time

22:43 <PovAddict> for the *user* to have the choice via project preferences, they probably need to modify the scheduler code

22:46 <zombie67> yeah, both projects had that user-selectable feature

22:47 <zombie67> question:  how hard was it to add "yes to all" when aborting multiple tasks?

22:48 <PovAddict> on Synecdoche?

22:48 <PovAddict> DerMeister did it, as far as I know

22:48 <PovAddict> I don't know much about the GUI code

22:49 <PovAddict> what are you about to ask us to add? :)

22:49 <zombie67> nothing.  Just trying to understand why they haven't added it to BOINC.

22:52 <PovAddict> well, is there anything else you wonder "why they haven't added it to BOINC yet"? :)

22:54 <zombie67> it just seems like a fairly simple thing, and they were already working on that

22:55 <zombie67> remember when, after they started enabling selecting multiple tasks, and then you started deleting, the re-ordering would cause the wrong tasks to be deleted?

22:55 <zombie67> they fixed that, but why not build in yes-to-all at that same time?

22:55 <zombie67> is there a trac request for yes-to-all?

22:56 <PovAddict> you know, something similar to "re-ordering would cause the wrong tasks to be deleted" still exists, at least in Synecdoche: when detaching projects

22:56 <PovAddict> select multiple, click Detach, answer yes to every dialog box (no "yes to all"), and the wrong ones may get detached

23:04 <zombie67> ?

23:04 <PovAddict> ? what

23:04 <PovAddict> try it (if you feel like playing russian roulette)

23:05 <zombie67> is there a trac request for yes-to-all?

23:05 <PovAddict> searching...

23:07 <PovAddict> no, I don't think there is

23:07 <PovAddict> but this one seems related http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/405

23:07 <Romulus> Title: #405 (Rewriting the warning when detaching/aborting/resetting) - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:09 <zombie67> should I submit a ticket?

23:09 <PovAddict> if you want the feature... :)

23:10 <zombie67> where is the button to submit a ticket?

23:11 <PovAddict> doesn't it say "New ticket" next to "View tickets"?

23:11 <zombie67> nope

23:11 <zombie67> on left is Browse Source

23:11 <zombie67> on right is Search

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23:12 <PovAddict> ugh, they turned it off for spam... I wonder if they even remember it's still off

23:12 <zombie67> turned it off for everyone?

23:13 <Tank_Master> ?

23:13 <Tank_Master> howdy jackygrahamez_

23:13 <PovAddict> for non-admins or something... I still have it, and probably so do the others who helped migrating docs (eg. KathrynM)

23:14 <zombie67> so.....will you please submit it for me?

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