IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-10-01

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05:16 <KathrynM> yay!!!!!!  four blissful days without w*@^

06:23 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 54.8F / 12.7C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1006.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Early This Morning - Showers and thunderstorms. Breezy...warmer. Southeast wind 15 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Today - Showers and isolated thunderstorms. Breezy. High in the lower 60s. (1 more message)

06:23 <wdsmia> &more

06:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms through midnight...then showers likely after midnight. Breezy. Low in the mid 40s. West wind 10 to 20 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.;

06:37 <hawmps> 'lo

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09:35 <hawmps> another day in pair-of-dice

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11:28 <yomshleeshee> o.O

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12:06 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news October 1, 2009

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13:36 <Utopiah> hi #boinc , I just recently come accross and and was wondering is Boinc had an estimated MFLOPS/W too

13:36 <Romulus> Title: The Green500 List - sponsored by Supermicro (at

13:37 <Utopiah> !version

13:37 <Utopiah> (and also for *@Home actually)

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13:52 <yoyo[RKN]> hi Utopiah

13:52 <Utopiah> hi yoyo[RKN]

13:53 <yoyo[RKN]> upper right corner

13:53 <Romulus> Title: BOINC (at

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]>

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> urg

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> Active: 329,830 volunteers, 574,820 computers.

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> 24-hour average: 2,623.34 TeraFLOPS.

13:54 <Utopiah> yes, that I know, I mean /Watt though

13:55 <yoyo[RKN]> think it is not much "green"

13:55 <Utopiah> I agree but it's an intuition, that's why Im looking for estimates ;)

13:56 <yoyo[RKN]> nowhere is stored how much watt a computer requires

13:57 <Utopiah> well it depends of each computer but I was thinking since GPU+core+such informaiton were recorded, estimates could be made

13:57 <yoyo[RKN]> here you see used CPUs , but not how many hours/day they are running

13:57 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:59 <Utopiah> ok, thanks yoyo[RKN]

14:21 <hawmps> people don't get it.

14:21 <Utopiah> ?

14:21 <hawmps> "green" is really brown.

14:21 <hawmps> no CO2... no plants... everything turns brown and dies.

14:22 <hawmps> so people should be brownies, not greenies.

14:22 <Utopiah> I know it's "free cycles" , Im not really here to debate the whole green-washing trend in marketing since I guess we agree anyway, but Id like some extra data

14:22 <PovAddict> who said we were trying to reduce CO2 to zero?

14:23 <hawmps> nobody, why?

14:23 <hawmps> point is.. CO2 is plant food, not pollution.

14:24 <PovAddict> not in too high amounts

14:24 <PovAddict> if there were no cars, plants would have died already?

14:24 <Utopiah> :)

14:25 <PovAddict> Utopiah: BOINC clients keep track of what proportion of time they run, and send it to the project

14:25 <PovAddict> but that info is not in the exported stats

14:25 <hawmps> the whole GW thing is pushing us right into the next ice age.

14:34 <Tank_Master> lol

14:39 <Tank_Master> given that "warmer" anc "cooler" are relitive terms, this means we must get warmer before we can get cooler

14:40 <hawmps> indeed.

14:41 <hawmps> If they were really concerned about it, all the GW devotees should just stop breathing...

14:42 <Utopiah> ok, thanks for the feedback

14:42 <Utopiah> have a nice day

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14:44 <Tank_Master> if they were really concerend, they would put out forest fires when they start

14:47 <hawmps> and stop breathing.

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14:48 <PovAddict> or keep breathing but use their energy for something useful

14:48 <PovAddict> say, put them on a threadmill and generate electricity

15:12 <hawmps> will they promise not to talk though....

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15:29 <Tank_Master> thats why you put them into their own dark room, its their native habitiate

15:29 <Tank_Master> its not like they go out and talk with the normal folk

15:29 <Tank_Master> :P

15:32 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict doesn't like wrapper

15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:33 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:55 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F.; Chance of Rain. High:51 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:59 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F.;

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15:35 <Tank_Master> PovAddict doesnt like a lot of things that are usefull

15:36 <PovAddict> stfu you

15:36 <Tank_Master> hehe

15:36 <RomW> lol

15:37 <Tank_Master> when is 6.10.12 coming out?

15:37 <PovAddict> RomW: about the recent handle leak fix: I asked cppcheck developers if they can add support for Windows API functions

15:37 <Tank_Master> its been what, a day sence the last release?

15:37 <RomW> lol

15:37 <RomW> there are plenty of Windows tools to detect handle leaks

15:38 <PovAddict> currently it can search for memory (malloc/free, new/delete) and file descriptor (open/close) leaks in all branch points, but it won't notice LoadLibrary/FreeLibrary or LocalAlloc/LocalFree

15:38 <RomW> As well as dumnp out callstacks for each allocation

15:39 <RomW> its built right into Windows

15:39 <RomW> gflags.exe

15:39 <RomW> part of the support tools

15:40 <RomW> I want to say the Windows tool is oh.exe (Open Handles)

15:41 <RomW> If you want a GUI, Process Explorer will also show leaked handles

15:42 <PovAddict> cppcheck is static code analysis

15:42 <PovAddict> here's some:

15:42 <PovAddict> [lib/shmem.cpp:329]: (error) Resource leak: fd

15:42 <PovAddict> [lib/shmem.cpp:366]: (error) Resource leak: fd

15:42 <RomW> one time leak, or after every new application is started?

15:43 <PovAddict> it's in an error path, unlikely but still

15:43 <PovAddict> eg. if filesize == 0 return ERR_SHMGET; but it's not closing the fd first

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15:47 <PovAddict> going through client code now, 15% done

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15:48 <RomW> oh, that is going to be fun

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15:49 <PovAddict> 61%

15:49 <PovAddict> leak found in client/hostinfo_unix_test.cpp, probably irrelevant (that file is not linked into the client or anything)

15:50 <PovAddict> nothing important found

15:51 <PovAddict> it only complained loudly about memset being used for classes (which has caused problems before when std::string was introduced into PROXY_INFO)

15:54 <PovAddict> two one-time leaks in feeder

15:54 <PovAddict> cppcheck has never given me any false positive

15:56 <PovAddict> if it says there is a leak, it's true; it might be in an unlikely error path where we have way more important things to worry about than memory leaks, it might be one-time (so it's just freed on process end), it might be in dead code, it might be in unused files; but there *is* a leak

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16:21 <PovAddict> "[lib/shmem.cpp:372]: (error) Resource leak: fd" wtf, why didn't it mention this one before

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16:42 <PovAddict> &any yoyo_[RKN]

16:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: (any [<channel>] [--user <name>] [<nick>]) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen doing. This includes any form of activity, instead of just PRIVMSGs. If <nick> isn't specified, returns the last activity seen in <channel>. If --user is specified, looks up name in the user database and returns the last time user was active in <channel>. <channel> is only (1 more message)

16:42 <PovAddict> &any "yoyo_[RKN]"

16:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: yoyo_[RKN] was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 25 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: *** yoyo_[RKN] has quit IRC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))

16:42 <PovAddict> &any "yoyo[RKN]"

16:42 <Romulus> PovAddict: yoyo[RKN] was last seen in #boinc 53 minutes and 53 seconds ago: *** yoyo[RKN] has quit IRC ("Use your power")

16:43 <PovAddict> yoyo's invalid GUI URLs are breaking my forum sig

16:44 <PovAddict> unescaped ampersand

16:45 <PovAddict> workaround applied

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18:02 <Tank_Master>

18:02 <Romulus> Title: Computer Power Test (at

18:51 <CoderForLife> it says my computer is ON

18:52 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.8F / 14.9C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A chance of showers this evening...then showers with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with (1 more message)

18:52 <CoderForLife> &ore

18:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: I dunno.

18:52 <CoderForLife> me either

18:52 <CoderForLife> &more

18:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the morning...then partly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon. Gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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20:09 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

20:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 53.3F / 11.8C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Showers likely and isolated thunderstorms. South wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy through midnight then becoming mostly cloudy. A (1 more message)

20:09 <wdsmia> &more

20:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: 20 percent chance of showers. Breezy...colder. Low in the lower 40s. West wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Friday - Showers likely. Breezy...cooler. High in the upper 40s. West wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of showers 60 percent.;

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20:43 <CoderForLife> gn

20:46 <Tank_Master> gn

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20:57 <KathrynM> any css/html gurus around?

20:57 <KathrynM> I have one tiny thing I want to change on my blog but I have no idea how to do it

20:57 <KathrynM> even after looking at it with firebug

21:29 <PovAddict> I'm afraid I could be called one

21:29 * PovAddict starts Firefox

21:29 <PovAddict> link?

21:29 <PovAddict> KathrynM: .

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21:58 <KathrynM> PovAddict,

21:58 <Romulus> <> (at

21:58 <KathrynM> see the 0 right above the categories?

21:58 <KathrynM> How do I change that to read "comment"

22:16 <PovAddict> that might be controlled by the theme

22:16 * PovAddict doesn't know how wp themes work

22:17 <PovAddict> it *might* be possible to fix from CSS but it would be a bit of a hack

22:17 <KathrynM> k, thanks

22:17 <KathrynM> I won't worry about it then.

22:17 <KathrynM> It's just weird

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