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00:07 <dublisk> huh?
00:08 <dublisk> PCIe x8 devices can go in an x16 slot
00:11 <dublisk> they should have 32 nm versions of i7 coming out soon too
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00:36 <PovAddict> zombie67: well, but the wiki's purpose isn't so clearly stated
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00:37 <PovAddict> you don't RTFM but you keep lists of projects; any reason why *that* can'y be on the wiki?
00:38 <PovAddict> in fact, it is :) it's just outdated as hell
00:41 <zombie67> yeah, that's the problem with lists
00:41 <zombie67> people like me get tired of maintaining them or whatever
00:42 <zombie67> they require many contributors
00:42 <zombie67> can you see this?: http://www.setiusa.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15070
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00:56 <PovAddict> the problem with lists is that there are too many of them, and that even i there are contributors, the 'list owner' has to do work putting together the contributions
00:56 <PovAddict> in a wiki, contributors just edit
00:57 <PovAddict> zombie67: your link asks login
00:58 <PovAddict> I have an account but damned if I remember the pw
01:12 <zombie67> heh
01:12 <zombie67> I am planning a build for a dedicated cruncher. It will be an i7, probably a 920 mildly OC to about about 3ghz. It will need to have 6 DIMM slots with 6x 2gb DIMMs. To this, I plan to add either four 5xxx cards, or two 5xxx x2 cards. The HD will be normal spindle and fast, unless someone can convince me why it needs to be SSD. It needs to be big enough to build a dual boot OS machine. OS will be XP64, unless someone can conv
01:12 <zombie67> ince me there is a reason for the cost of some other OS (and then that cost needs to be added). I would like the mobo to have built in wifi, but can live with a pci card or usb dongle. So include that cost too. Don't forget the box, psu, dvd, etc. Reliability is very important.
01:12 <zombie67> So here is the challenge: build me a machine on Newegg for the best cost. Keyboard, mouse and monitor are not needed. The GPUs should be excluded for now, since the x2 aren't yet available. But make it clear which way you are building it (two 2x 5xxx, or four 5xxx). Post questions in this thread. PM me the link to your newegg build, once it's final. Deadline is midnight october 18.
01:12 <zombie67> The winner will get a GPU. The type is TBD depending on the ability of their machine, and the desire of the winner (ATI vs NVidia). But it will be a good one.
01:12 <zombie67> Edit: I will also accept a third config, with three 5xxx cards. But the $/performance would need to work out.
01:14 <zombie67> it is a challenge for my teammates
01:14 <PovAddict> :)
01:14 <PovAddict> I was about to ask if there was a prize
01:14 <PovAddict> then you pasted more
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01:17 <PovAddict> I think it's a pretty good idea to do that challenge
01:18 <PovAddict> how stable is XP64?
01:23 <Tank_Master> zombie67
01:23 <Tank_Master> you dinged?
01:24 <PovAddict> TM: see his forum link
01:24 <Tank_Master> xp x64 is based on server 2003 kernle
01:24 <PovAddict> &url last --from zombie67
01:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://www.setiusa.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15070
01:24 <Tank_Master> which is NT 5.2 (XP was 5.1)
01:25 <Tank_Master> no, I hadnt
01:25 <Tank_Master> thx pov
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01:27 <zombie67> back
01:28 <zombie67> wait, changing to another machine. BRB. TM, I need to talk to you
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01:28 <Tank_Master> pov - xp x64 has the worst support as far as drivers for any of the 64bit OSs, howver it is generally quite stable if you can get the drivers
01:28 <KyleK__> To prevent spam, an average credit of 1.0 or greater is required to create or edit a profile. We apologize for this inconvenience.
01:29 <Tank_Master> win7 x64 is much better as far as driver support and stibility (do to more effert put into the drivers)
01:29 <KyleK__> average of what?
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01:29 <Tank_Master> KyleK__ - RAC
01:30 <Tank_Master> recent average cridit
01:30 <KyleK__> oh good
01:30 <Tank_Master> its a measure of the credit per day you do based on the las t so meny days
01:30 <KyleK__> I haven't participated in seti@home for a few years :)
01:30 <zombie67> tm, did you see my challenge?
01:30 <Tank_Master> they make it hella more complicated than it needs to be
01:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, I did z
01:31 <Tank_Master> and if you want I can trade you my i7 for a vid card.
01:31 <Tank_Master> its for 2 PCI-e 16x 2.0 and 1 PCE-e 16x 1.0
01:32 <zombie67> that pcie crap drives me nuts
01:32 <zombie67> they say 2 x16 slots
01:32 <zombie67> but then only one is really 16
01:32 <zombie67> WTF?
01:33 <Tank_Master> depends on which chipset you get
01:33 <zombie67> anyway, the reason I need to talk to you
01:33 <zombie67> I am getting closer to making the drive to give you my dual core boxes
01:34 <Tank_Master> the socet ahh ok
01:34 <zombie67> you still don't drive?
01:34 <Tank_Master> agg, gotta clear out my toughts first :P
01:34 <Tank_Master> yeah, I dont
01:34 <zombie67> k
01:35 <zombie67> need to know because a round trip is double if not
01:35 <zombie67> what was the deal we had?
01:35 <zombie67> you sell them and give me a share?
01:35 <Tank_Master> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131359 <- thats the i7 mobo I have now
01:35 <Tank_Master> yeah
01:35 <zombie67> nice mobo
01:35 <zombie67> so get this!
01:36 <zombie67> my q6600
01:36 <zombie67> dies
01:36 <Tank_Master> ouch
01:36 <zombie67> It was the seasonal shift, from inside to outside now that it's cooled down
01:36 <KyleK__> ugh i cant even post in Cafe SETI
01:36 <zombie67> one machine always goes down during themove
01:37 <zombie67> anyway, PSU dead
01:37 <Tank_Master> KyleK__ - you need to turn in a few WUs befor you can post
01:37 <zombie67> so I drive down to the local frys and replace it
01:37 <Tank_Master> I may have an extra PS
01:37 <zombie67> now everything runs/spins....but no life in the monitor
01:38 <zombie67> so I replace the GPU
01:38 <zombie67> and again
01:38 <KyleK__> hrm its going to take awhile for space heaters@home to finish a few WU's
01:38 <zombie67> after three gpus, it's clear that the mobo got killed too
01:38 <Tank_Master> sounds like it
01:39 <zombie67> went to frys for a mobo. 90% of the mobos are not 775 anymore
01:39 <Tank_Master> its outdated :P
01:39 <zombie67> and those that are are all returns
01:39 <zombie67> so I just ordered one
01:39 <Tank_Master> my 775 has a qx9750 @ 4.2GHz
01:39 <Tank_Master> with a voltage f only 1.35
01:39 <zombie67> the pisser: had I known the mobo was also dead, I would have bought a PSU that could do more than one GPU
01:40 <Tank_Master> yeah
01:40 <zombie67> the psu is 750
01:40 <zombie67> will it do two 4780s?
01:40 <Tank_Master> I would think it should be able to
01:40 <zombie67> really?!
01:41 <Tank_Master> 45nm quad?
01:41 <Tank_Master> 1 HD?
01:41 <zombie67> first gen q660
01:41 <zombie67> q6600
01:41 <Tank_Master> ahh
01:41 <Tank_Master> ehh, still should be able to
01:41 <zombie67> it has a GTX 280 in it
01:41 <PovAddict> 750w?
01:41 <zombie67> yeah.
01:41 <zombie67> lemme look
01:41 <Tank_Master> ive ran a dualcare with a geforce 8800 off a 350w PS
01:42 <Tank_Master> dualcore*
01:42 <zombie67> corsair tx750w
01:42 <PovAddict> if my one and only computer consumed 700w my parents would hand me the electricity bill for me to pay
01:42 <PovAddict> or kick me out xD
01:43 <zombie67> if it will really run two GPUs....
01:44 <zombie67> from the ati and nvedia sites, they both say a 1000+ is needed
01:44 <zombie67> lemme look at the mobo I ordered
01:44 <PovAddict> 1 jiggawatt?
01:45 <zombie67> see? It has dual x16
01:45 <zombie67> but then says one is x8
01:45 <PovAddict> </back-to-the-future>
01:45 <zombie67> WTF?
01:46 <PovAddict> my UPS has three outlets
01:46 <zombie67> so can I really run two x16 GPUs on it at full spped?
01:46 <PovAddict> then you find one is surge-protection only, not connected to battery
01:47 <PovAddict> welcome to marketing
01:47 <zombie67> TM??
01:47 <Romulus> I guess TM is selling a bunch, zombie67
01:47 <PovAddict> enough with that
01:47 <PovAddict> forget TM
01:47 <Romulus> 10-4.
01:48 <zombie67> pov, no kidding about power consumption!
01:49 <Tank_Master> forget TM
01:49 <PovAddict> we need a way to turn heat back into electricity
01:49 <Tank_Master> sorry, had to do soemthing
01:49 <zombie67> That is why, now that I hit my 1m at yoyo, and 2.5 at GPU, and a huge number at folding, I am giving away my PS3. That is even wore than running a GPU.
01:49 <Tank_Master> pov - its called a steam engine
01:49 <PovAddict> then you'd pretty much have a perpetual crunching machine
01:51 <PovAddict> Tank: can you run a steam engine with GPU heat?
01:51 <Tank_Master> if you overclock it enough I suppose
01:51 <Tank_Master> :P
01:51 <zombie67> my problem: In the cold of winter, I can move my machines outside to avoid the NOISE. In the summer, I have to bring them inside and cool them too. So extra cost. Come nuclear wingter!
01:52 <PovAddict> move
01:52 <efc> If you really have a lot, you might try a styrofoam cage around them for noise.
01:52 <zombie67> see? It has dual x16
01:52 <zombie67> [22:45] <zombie67> but then says one is x8
01:52 <PovAddict> farther away from the equator
01:52 <zombie67> so can I really run two x16 GPUs on it at full spped?
01:53 <zombie67> re; power/cooling: I have this fanticy
01:53 <PovAddict> I saw a video on youtube telling the story of a man and his datacenter problems
01:53 <PovAddict> he ends up moving the datacenter to the south pole
01:53 <zombie67> imagine a force field/membrane, in place of a wall
01:53 <Tank_Master> to have 2 true PCI-e you cant have a 775 socket
01:54 <zombie67> in the winter, the front of the boxes are outside, while the rear are inside
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01:54 <zombie67> in summer, you reverse threm
01:54 <Tank_Master> that gen doesnt have 32 lanes neededfor 2x16
01:55 <zombie67> TM, really? I thought it was all chipset?
01:55 <Tank_Master> it is
01:55 <Tank_Master> but it wasnt unitll the first gen i7 that they had more than 32 lanes
01:55 <zombie67> bearlake
01:55 <zombie67> ha
01:57 <zombie67> X38 and higher have dual X16
01:57 <PovAddict> another useful thing is a mix of a computer case and a coffee machine
01:57 <PovAddict> I've seen one
01:57 <PovAddict> real use for all that heat
02:00 <zombie67> nice
02:00 <zombie67> tank!
02:00 <Tank_Master> ?
02:00 <zombie67> I found a better cuda pci
02:01 <Tank_Master> better than 9500?
02:01 <zombie67> no, better than 9400
02:01 <zombie67> last time we talked, 9400 was the best
02:01 <Tank_Master> theres a 9500 on newegg
02:01 <zombie67> now 9500 is
02:01 <zombie67> so you know too
02:01 <Tank_Master> its been there for a while I think
02:01 <zombie67> thanks for telling me
02:01 <Tank_Master> lol
02:02 <Tank_Master> I couldnt rememerb what was best before
02:02 <zombie67> I found out the day the FOUR 9400s arrived
02:02 <Tank_Master> figures, huh?
02:02 <zombie67> I RMAd them today
02:02 <zombie67> can I run four of them with xp64?
02:03 <Tank_Master> if the driver will let you
02:03 <Tank_Master> xp can handle 10 montiors
02:03 <zombie67> that a sissy for saying I DON'T KNOW
02:03 <Tank_Master> well, its not a OS limitation
02:04 <Tank_Master> its would be driver
02:04 <zombie67> so the answer is YES
02:04 <efc> #define MAX_MONITORS 9
02:04 <Tank_Master> ?
02:04 <efc> Just kidding ;)
02:04 <zombie67> xp64 supports running 4x GPU PCI cards
02:04 <zombie67> right?
02:05 <Tank_Master> yeah
02:05 <zombie67> cool
02:06 <zombie67> one downside: The 9400 needed no fan
02:06 <zombie67> but has half the processors
02:06 <zombie67> 16 vs 32
02:08 <zombie67> last time we did the math, it was cheaper to drive them up, as opposed to ship them
02:08 <zombie67> can't recall the cost of gas then
02:08 <Tank_Master> its close to $3.00 around here now
02:09 <Tank_Master> I can look for sure tomorrow
02:09 <zombie67> frankly, I would be willing to pay 2x to do the drive
02:09 <zombie67> the problem is the TIME
02:09 <zombie67> shite, even 4x the cost
02:09 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.
02:10 <zombie67> ;)
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11:34 <e-30> how is everyone
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13:22 <nextgens> hi
13:23 <nextgens> is there a tutorial somewhere on how to setup a BAM?
13:24 <nextgens> (I don't want to use a public one)
13:30 <FreeLarry58> not that i know of nextgens - you may want to PM to willy at boincstats
13:37 <nextgens> ok, too bad :/
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17:32 <PovAddict> if anyone's interested, I wrote a bash script that runs 'update' on any projects that have tasks ready to report
17:32 <PovAddict> it uses boinccmd
17:32 <PovAddict> and it's pretty slow (boinccmd output is a pain to parse)
17:32 <PovAddict> with like 20 tasks it could take three seconds
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19:16 <KathrynM> I'll take a look at it
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19:19 <PovAddict> well it's not written to be understood, it's written to work
19:19 <PovAddict> has the badge: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/works-on-my-machine-starburst.png
19:22 <KathrynM> lol
19:22 <KathrynM> holy cow. Cleveland finally one a game.
19:22 <KathrynM> There go my dreams of an 0-16 season
19:23 <KathrynM> errr won, not one
19:23 <KathrynM> and they let me teach English?
19:23 <PovAddict> how did you mix that up? pronunciation?
19:23 <KathrynM> yeah
19:23 <KathrynM> can I blameit on Gidgette? she's sitting on my arms
19:23 <PovAddict> "the cat did it!"
19:24 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
19:25 <KathrynM> no uglier than things I've written
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19:27 <KathrynM> It'll be a happy day in the teachers' office. All of our teams won this weekend.
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