IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-10-11

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00:07 <dublisk> huh?

00:08 <dublisk> PCIe x8 devices can go in an x16 slot

00:11 <dublisk> they should have 32 nm versions of i7 coming out soon too

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00:36 <PovAddict> zombie67: well, but the wiki's purpose isn't so clearly stated

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00:37 <PovAddict> you don't RTFM but you keep lists of projects; any reason why *that* can'y be on the wiki?

00:38 <PovAddict> in fact, it is :) it's just outdated as hell

00:41 <zombie67> yeah, that's the problem with lists

00:41 <zombie67> people like me get tired of maintaining them or whatever

00:42 <zombie67> they require many contributors

00:42 <zombie67> can you see this?:  http://www.setiusa.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15070

00:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ykx5xly> (at www.setiusa.net)

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00:56 <PovAddict> the problem with lists is that there are too many of them, and that even i there are contributors, the 'list owner' has to do work putting together the contributions

00:56 <PovAddict> in a wiki, contributors just edit

00:57 <PovAddict> zombie67: your link asks login

00:58 <PovAddict> I have an account but damned if I remember the pw

01:12 <zombie67> heh

01:12 <zombie67> I am planning a build for a dedicated cruncher.  It will be an i7, probably a 920 mildly OC to about about 3ghz.  It will need to have 6 DIMM slots with 6x 2gb DIMMs.  To this, I plan to add either four 5xxx cards, or two 5xxx x2 cards.  The HD will be normal spindle and fast, unless someone can convince me why it needs to be SSD.  It needs to be big enough to build a dual boot OS machine.  OS will be XP64, unless someone can conv

01:12 <zombie67> ince me there is a reason for the cost of some other OS (and then that cost needs to be added).  I would like the mobo to have built in wifi, but can live with a pci card or usb dongle.  So include that cost too.  Don't forget the box, psu, dvd, etc.  Reliability is very important.

01:12 <zombie67> So here is the challenge:  build me a machine on Newegg for the best cost.  Keyboard, mouse and monitor are not needed.  The GPUs should be excluded for now, since the x2 aren't yet available.  But make it clear which way you are building it (two 2x 5xxx, or four 5xxx).  Post questions in this thread.  PM me the link to your newegg build, once it's final.  Deadline is midnight october 18.

01:12 <zombie67> The winner will get a GPU.  The type is TBD depending on the ability of their machine, and the desire of the winner (ATI vs NVidia).  But it will be a good one.

01:12 <zombie67> Edit:  I will also accept a third config, with three 5xxx cards.  But the $/performance would need to work out.

01:14 <zombie67> it is a challenge for my teammates

01:14 <PovAddict> :)

01:14 <PovAddict> I was about to ask if there was a prize

01:14 <PovAddict> then you pasted more

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01:17 <PovAddict> I think it's a pretty good idea to do that challenge

01:18 <PovAddict> how stable is XP64?

01:23 <Tank_Master> zombie67

01:23 <Tank_Master> you dinged?

01:24 <PovAddict> TM: see his forum link

01:24 <Tank_Master> xp x64 is based on server 2003 kernle

01:24 <PovAddict> &url last --from zombie67

01:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://www.setiusa.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=15070

01:24 <Tank_Master> which is NT 5.2 (XP was 5.1)

01:25 <Tank_Master> no, I hadnt

01:25 <Tank_Master> thx pov

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01:27 <zombie67> back

01:28 <zombie67> wait, changing to another machine.  BRB.  TM, I need to talk to you

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01:28 <Tank_Master> pov - xp x64 has the worst support as far as drivers for any of the 64bit OSs, howver it is generally quite stable if you can get the drivers

01:28 <KyleK__> To prevent spam, an average credit of 1.0 or greater is required to create or edit a profile. We apologize for this inconvenience.

01:29 <Tank_Master> win7 x64 is much better as far as driver support and stibility (do to more effert put into the drivers)

01:29 <KyleK__> average of what?

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01:29 <Tank_Master> KyleK__ - RAC

01:30 <Tank_Master> recent average cridit

01:30 <KyleK__> oh good

01:30 <Tank_Master> its a measure of the credit per day you do based on the las t so meny days

01:30 <KyleK__> I haven't participated in seti@home for a few years :)

01:30 <zombie67> tm, did you see my challenge?

01:30 <Tank_Master> they make it hella more complicated than it needs to be

01:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, I did z

01:31 <Tank_Master> and if you want I can trade you my i7 for a vid card.

01:31 <Tank_Master> its for 2 PCI-e 16x 2.0 and 1 PCE-e 16x 1.0

01:32 <zombie67> that pcie crap drives me nuts

01:32 <zombie67> they say 2 x16 slots

01:32 <zombie67> but then only one is really 16

01:32 <zombie67> WTF?

01:33 <Tank_Master> depends on which chipset you get

01:33 <zombie67> anyway, the reason I need to talk to you

01:33 <zombie67> I am getting closer to making the drive to give you my dual core boxes

01:34 <Tank_Master> the socet ahh ok

01:34 <zombie67> you still don't drive?

01:34 <Tank_Master> agg, gotta clear out my toughts first :P

01:34 <Tank_Master> yeah, I dont

01:34 <zombie67> k

01:35 <zombie67> need to know because a round trip is double if not

01:35 <zombie67> what was the deal we had?

01:35 <zombie67> you sell them and give me a share?

01:35 <Tank_Master> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131359 <- thats the i7 mobo I have now

01:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ahe9pp> (at www.newegg.com)

01:35 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:35 <zombie67> nice mobo

01:35 <zombie67> so get this!

01:36 <zombie67> my q6600

01:36 <zombie67> dies

01:36 <Tank_Master> ouch

01:36 <zombie67> It was the seasonal shift, from inside to outside now that it's cooled down

01:36 <KyleK__> ugh i cant even post in Cafe SETI

01:36 <zombie67> one machine always goes down during themove

01:37 <zombie67> anyway, PSU dead

01:37 <Tank_Master> KyleK__ - you need to turn in a few WUs befor you can post

01:37 <zombie67> so I drive down to the local frys and replace it

01:37 <Tank_Master> I may have an extra PS

01:37 <zombie67> now everything runs/spins....but no life in the monitor

01:38 <zombie67> so I replace the GPU

01:38 <zombie67> and again

01:38 <KyleK__> hrm its going to take awhile for space heaters@home to finish a few WU's

01:38 <zombie67> after three gpus, it's clear that the mobo got killed too

01:38 <Tank_Master> sounds like it

01:39 <zombie67> went to frys for a mobo.  90% of the mobos are not 775 anymore

01:39 <Tank_Master> its outdated :P

01:39 <zombie67> and those that are are all returns

01:39 <zombie67> so I just ordered one

01:39 <Tank_Master> my 775 has a qx9750 @ 4.2GHz

01:39 <Tank_Master> with a voltage f only 1.35

01:39 <zombie67> the pisser:  had I known the mobo was also dead, I would have bought a PSU that could do more than one GPU

01:40 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:40 <zombie67> the psu is 750

01:40 <zombie67> will it do two 4780s?

01:40 <Tank_Master> I would think it should be able to

01:40 <zombie67> really?!

01:41 <Tank_Master> 45nm quad?

01:41 <Tank_Master> 1 HD?

01:41 <zombie67> first gen q660

01:41 <zombie67> q6600

01:41 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:41 <Tank_Master> ehh, still should be able to

01:41 <zombie67> it has a GTX 280 in it

01:41 <PovAddict> 750w?

01:41 <zombie67> yeah.

01:41 <zombie67> lemme look

01:41 <Tank_Master> ive ran a dualcare with a geforce 8800 off a 350w PS

01:42 <Tank_Master> dualcore*

01:42 <zombie67> corsair tx750w

01:42 <PovAddict> if my one and only computer consumed 700w my parents would hand me the electricity bill for me to pay

01:42 <PovAddict> or kick me out xD

01:43 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

01:43 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/37afw6> (at www.newegg.com)

01:43 <zombie67> if it will really run two GPUs....

01:44 <zombie67> from the ati and nvedia sites, they both say a 1000+ is needed

01:44 <zombie67> lemme look at the mobo I ordered

01:44 <PovAddict> 1 jiggawatt?

01:45 <zombie67> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

01:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5zhlgu> (at www.newegg.com)

01:45 <zombie67> see?  It has dual x16

01:45 <zombie67> but then says one is x8

01:45 <PovAddict> </back-to-the-future>

01:45 <zombie67> WTF?

01:46 <PovAddict> my UPS has three outlets

01:46 <zombie67> so can I really run two x16 GPUs on it at full spped?

01:46 <PovAddict> then you find one is surge-protection only, not connected to battery

01:47 <PovAddict> welcome to marketing

01:47 <zombie67> TM??

01:47 <Romulus> I guess TM is selling a bunch, zombie67

01:47 <PovAddict> enough with that

01:47 <PovAddict> forget TM

01:47 <Romulus> 10-4.

01:48 <zombie67> pov, no kidding about power consumption!

01:49 <Tank_Master> forget TM

01:49 <PovAddict> we need a way to turn heat back into electricity

01:49 <Tank_Master> sorry, had to do soemthing

01:49 <zombie67> That is why, now that I hit my 1m at yoyo, and 2.5 at GPU, and a huge number at folding, I am giving away my PS3.  That is even wore than running a GPU.

01:49 <Tank_Master> pov - its called a steam engine

01:49 <PovAddict> then you'd pretty much have a perpetual crunching machine

01:51 <PovAddict> Tank: can you run a steam engine with GPU heat?

01:51 <Tank_Master> if you overclock it enough I suppose

01:51 <Tank_Master> :P

01:51 <zombie67> my problem:  In the cold of winter, I can move my machines outside to avoid the NOISE.  In the summer, I have to bring them inside and cool them too.  So extra cost.  Come nuclear wingter!

01:52 <zombie67> TM:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

01:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5zhlgu> (at www.newegg.com)

01:52 <PovAddict> move

01:52 <efc> If you really have a lot, you might try a styrofoam cage around them for noise.

01:52 <zombie67> see?  It has dual x16

01:52 <zombie67> [22:45]  <zombie67> but then says one is x8

01:52 <PovAddict> farther away from the equator

01:52 <zombie67> so can I really run two x16 GPUs on it at full spped?

01:53 <zombie67> re; power/cooling:  I have this fanticy

01:53 <PovAddict> I saw a video on youtube telling the story of a man and his datacenter problems

01:53 <PovAddict> he ends up moving the datacenter to the south pole

01:53 <zombie67> imagine a force field/membrane, in place of a wall

01:53 <Tank_Master> to have 2 true PCI-e you cant have a 775 socket

01:54 <zombie67> in the winter, the front of the boxes are outside, while the rear are inside

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01:54 <zombie67> in summer, you reverse threm

01:54 <Tank_Master> that gen doesnt have 32 lanes neededfor 2x16

01:55 <zombie67> TM, really?  I thought it was all chipset?

01:55 <Tank_Master> it is

01:55 <Tank_Master> but it wasnt unitll the first gen i7 that they had more than 32 lanes

01:55 <zombie67> bearlake

01:55 <zombie67> ha

01:56 <zombie67> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_chipset#Core_2_Chipsets

01:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfd2yyf> (at en.wikipedia.org)

01:57 <zombie67> X38 and higher have dual X16

01:57 <PovAddict> another useful thing is a mix of a computer case and a coffee machine

01:57 <PovAddict> I've seen one

01:57 <PovAddict> real use for all that heat

02:00 <zombie67> nice

02:00 <zombie67> tank!

02:00 <Tank_Master> ?

02:00 <zombie67> I found a better cuda pci

02:01 <Tank_Master> better than 9500?

02:01 <zombie67> no, better than 9400

02:01 <zombie67> last time we talked, 9400 was the best

02:01 <Tank_Master> theres a 9500 on newegg

02:01 <zombie67> now 9500 is

02:01 <zombie67> so you know too

02:01 <Tank_Master> its been there for a while I think

02:01 <zombie67> thanks for telling me

02:01 <Tank_Master> lol

02:02 <Tank_Master> I couldnt rememerb what was best before

02:02 <zombie67> I found out the day the FOUR 9400s arrived

02:02 <Tank_Master> figures, huh?

02:02 <zombie67> I RMAd them today

02:02 <zombie67> can I run four of them with xp64?

02:03 <Tank_Master> if the driver will let you

02:03 <Tank_Master> xp can handle 10 montiors

02:03 <zombie67> that a sissy for saying I DON'T KNOW

02:03 <Tank_Master> well, its not a OS limitation

02:04 <Tank_Master> its would be driver

02:04 <zombie67> so the answer is YES

02:04 <efc> #define MAX_MONITORS 9

02:04 <Tank_Master> ?

02:04 <efc> Just kidding ;)

02:04 <zombie67> xp64 supports running 4x GPU PCI cards

02:04 <zombie67> right?

02:05 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:05 <zombie67> cool

02:06 <zombie67> one downside:  The 9400 needed no fan

02:06 <zombie67> but has half the processors

02:06 <zombie67> 16 vs 32

02:08 <zombie67> last time we did the math, it was cheaper to drive them up, as opposed to ship them

02:08 <zombie67> can't recall the cost of gas then

02:08 <Tank_Master> its close to $3.00 around here now

02:09 <Tank_Master> I can look for sure tomorrow

02:09 <zombie67> frankly, I would be willing to pay 2x to do the drive

02:09 <zombie67> the problem is the TIME

02:09 <zombie67> shite, even 4x the cost

02:09 <wdsmia> asks zombie67 to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:10 <zombie67> ;)

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11:34 <e-30> how is everyone

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13:22 <nextgens> hi

13:23 <nextgens> is there a tutorial somewhere on how to setup a BAM?

13:24 <nextgens> (I don't want to use a public one)

13:30 <FreeLarry58> not that i know of nextgens - you may want to PM to willy at boincstats

13:37 <nextgens> ok, too bad :/

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17:32 <PovAddict> if anyone's interested, I wrote a bash script that runs 'update' on any projects that have tasks ready to report

17:32 <PovAddict> it uses boinccmd

17:32 <PovAddict> and it's pretty slow (boinccmd output is a pain to parse)

17:32 <PovAddict> with like 20 tasks it could take three seconds

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19:16 <KathrynM> I'll take a look at it

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19:19 <PovAddict> well it's not written to be understood, it's written to work

19:19 <PovAddict> has the badge: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/works-on-my-machine-starburst.png

19:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2yuke8> (at www.codinghorror.com)

19:22 <KathrynM> lol

19:22 <KathrynM> holy cow.  Cleveland finally one a game.

19:22 <KathrynM> There go my dreams of an 0-16 season

19:23 <KathrynM> errr won, not one

19:23 <KathrynM> and they let me teach English?

19:23 <PovAddict> how did you mix that up? pronunciation?

19:23 <KathrynM> yeah

19:23 <KathrynM> can I blameit on Gidgette?  she's sitting on my arms

19:23 <PovAddict> "the cat did it!"

19:24 <PovAddict> here's the piece of ugly http://pastebin.com/d16e60651

19:24 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

19:25 <KathrynM> no uglier than things I've written

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19:27 <KathrynM> It'll be a happy day in the teachers' office.  All of our teams won this weekend.

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