IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-10-15

00:14 <zombie67> hi jack

00:14 <zombie67> I have a Q6600 cruncher w/ GTX 280.  I was moving it out to the garage now that the weather is cooling off.  Powered it down, it powered itself right back up immediately.  held the power button down until it shut off, then it turned itself right back on.  The only way I could break the cycle was to unplug it.  When I moved it to the new spot, it would not power on at all.  Dead PSU.

00:14 <zombie67> I replaced the PSU, assuming that was the problem.  Now it powered up just fine, but no video output at all.  Can't even get it to show the BIOS screen.  So I tried it with two more different simple graphic cards, and still no go.

00:15 <zombie67> I assumed the mobo was somehow fried when the PSU died.  So I just replaced the mobo with a brand new one.  But still no video output, even for the BIOS screen.  And now with the new PSU and new mobo, it will run for about 30 seconds, turn itself off, then on again for about 30 seconds.  Over and over.

00:15 <zombie67> Is it possible the CPU itself is fried?  I don't have a spare Core2 CPU to try out.

00:15 <zombie67> Ideas?

00:17 <jackygrahamez_> well that's the only other possibilitiy

00:17 <jackygrahamez_> a fried hard drive should at least get you to the bios screen right?

00:17 <zombie67> yeah, that's what I am afraid og

00:17 <zombie67> yeah, bios is before any storage drvice

00:18 <zombie67> here is the rub:  if I was going to get a new CPU, it would have been nehalem.  But now I have a new PSU and mobo!

00:18 <zombie67> dangit

00:18 <jackygrahamez_> unless you got another bad mob

00:19 <zombie67> I am thinking the previous mobo was fine too

00:19 <zombie67> and the CPU was the problem

00:19 <jackygrahamez_> maybe

00:19 <jackygrahamez_> look at the new server :-0

00:20 <Romulus> Title: About | (at

00:20 <PovAddict> zombie67: freenode has a #hardware

00:21 <zombie67> pov, I am trying my teammates first, but thanks

00:22 <zombie67> jack, what about it?  The HW specs?

00:22 <zombie67> where do i see that?

00:22 <jackygrahamez_> ah I was just showing how messed up it is

00:22 <jackygrahamez_> template for the drupal theme seems messed up

00:23 <zombie67> ah

00:23 <jackygrahamez_> I'm not the best at hardware advice...I messed up the cpu trying to insert it in the last motherboard

00:24 <zombie67> ouch

00:25 <zombie67> they key those things

00:25 <zombie67> supposed to be impossible to mess up

00:25 <zombie67> ;)

00:25 <zombie67> I finally got my 1M milestone at NQueens AND took #1 on my team.  All on the day before it went down.

00:25 <zombie67> sweeeeeeet

00:27 <PovAddict> I'm now running my cache down to focus on yoyo

00:27 <zombie67> I got my 1st Mil there, on my PS3

00:27 <zombie67> sending it off not to a team mate.  WAY too power hungry

00:27 <PovAddict> I have 40k

00:28 <PovAddict> atm I'm focusing on a Cosmology task

00:28 <PovAddict> that bastard eats a lot of RAM, I want to get it done as soon as possible

00:28 <PovAddict> and get rid of it

00:31 <zombie67> When building new machines, I always plan at least 1gb/thread

00:31 <zombie67> 2gb/thread is better

00:31 <zombie67> Lattice can use up to 1200mb/task

00:32 <PovAddict> well I have 2GB physical

00:32 <PovAddict> and 2 cores

00:32 <PovAddict> oh yeah, lattive was another problematic one

00:32 <zombie67> running how many tasks?

00:32 <PovAddict> well, I only ever *got* one lattice task

00:32 <PovAddict> same for cosmology

00:32 <PovAddict> but the "waiting for memory" stuff appears to work

00:32 <zombie67> wanna hear a funny one?

00:33 <zombie67> I checked in on one if my 8-way machines w/ ati GPU today

00:33 <zombie67> the queue was empty, and I have ~100 tasks in the upload/download queue, but nothing was moving

00:33 <zombie67> internet connection was fine

00:34 <zombie67> projects were all up

00:34 <zombie67> WTF?

00:34 <zombie67> I finally figured it out

00:34 <zombie67> I was in the cc_config earlier that day

00:34 <zombie67> I set ncpus to -1, or THOUGHT I did.

00:34 <zombie67> I really set number of concurrent transfers to -1

00:34 <zombie67> d'oh!

00:35 <PovAddict> heh

00:35 <zombie67> completely dorked up the transfers

00:38 <zombie67> autodock 1.50 was messed up

00:39 <jasong1> I know it's off-topic for the channel, but does anyone have an opinion, or idea where I can look for a good opinion, on the future availability of menial labor?  My job doesn't pay much, but I like it, and I'm hoping other employees will go elsewhere so that I can get more hours.

00:39 <PovAddict> &dict menial

00:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: menial adj : used of unskilled !@#& (especially domestic !@#&) [syn: {humble}, {lowly}] n : a domestic servant [syn: {dogsbody}]; gcide: Menial \Men"ial\, n. 1. A domestic servant or retainer, esp. one of humble rank; one employed in low or servile offices. [1913 Webster] 2. A person of a servile character or disposition. [1913 Webster]; (4 more messages)

00:40 <jasong1> yeah, my big aspirations don't have much to do with money, lol

00:40 <jasong1> bbiab

00:40 <jasong1> oops, didn't have to leave

00:41 <jasong1> oh, the channel automatically censors the word work?

00:41 <jasong1> didn't realize that

00:41 <jasong1> lol, I thought the individual users were doing that

00:42 <jasong1> nm, I'll take my chances with google

00:42 <PovAddict> no, the bot does

00:42 <PovAddict> work

00:42 <PovAddict> &echo work

00:42 <Romulus> !@#&

00:43 <jasong1> lol

00:48 <zombie67> !@#&

00:49 <zombie67> that should translate back into work

00:50 <jackygrahamez_> current version of autodock working?

00:51 <jackygrahamez_> current version does not detect progress.txt on windows

00:52 <jackygrahamez_> :-(

00:54 <zombie67> yeah, 1.51 seems to be working.  But we lost about a day's worth of crunching capacity with 1.50

00:55 <zombie67> why such a difference in claimed credits?

00:55 <Romulus> <> (at

00:55 <jackygrahamez_> :-S

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00:57 <zombie67> I am thinking it is BOINC.  6.6.x vs. 6.10.x

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00:57 <PovAddict> compare host benchmarks

00:58 <zombie67> either that, or 64 vs 32

00:58 <zombie67> mine is XP64 + intel core 2

00:58 <zombie67> the lower two are:  amd 32(?) + win7, and Xp32 + Intel

00:59 <zombie67> the only common between the lower two are 32 bit

00:59 <zombie67> jack, it's yours

00:59 <zombie67> is it 32 bit?

00:59 <PovAddict> no

00:59 <PovAddict> Windows 7 x86 Edition

00:59 <zombie67> so yes, 32 but

00:59 <zombie67> bit

01:00 <zombie67> x64 is 64 bit

01:00 <PovAddict> I swapped your question in my mind

01:00 <jackygrahamez_> I have windows 7 amd quad 64bit but I run 32 bit windows 7

01:00 <PovAddict> -.-

01:00 <zombie67> right

01:01 <zombie67> so, 32 bit + boinc 6.6.x benchmarks lower than 64 bit 6.10.x (all win).

01:01 <jackygrahamez_> I forgot PovAddict, did you have any further suggestion regarding the progress bar?

01:01 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez_: no, I don't know how to debug the crash

01:01 <PovAddict> you should ask RomW when he's around

01:02 <jackygrahamez_> too bad I won't see him in Barcelona, he is a really nice guy

01:03 <zombie67> rom?  Yeah, nice guy.  He doesn't take all our pissing an moaning personally.

01:03 <zombie67> as far as I can tell

01:03 <zombie67> speaking for myself, I can get pissed off and ugly at times.

01:03 <jackygrahamez_> I got a long day ahead of me tomorrow, I need some rest

01:04 <zombie67> Hydrogen@Home

01:04 <zombie67> This page requires database access. Our database server is temporarily shut down for maintenance. Please try again later.

01:04 <jackygrahamez_> yes I screwed that up today :-(

01:05 <zombie67> heh

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01:07 <zombie67> pov, vtu is supposed to be doing something more than simple prime search now

01:08 <zombie67>

01:08 <Romulus> <> (at

01:08 <zombie67>

01:08 <Romulus> <> (at

01:10 <zombie67> so what's the deal at MW?  Why are they not using the BOINC ATI functionality yet?

01:11 <PovAddict> hm

01:13 <zombie67> the "testing" on collatz of the new server + 6.10.13 was weeks ago

01:13 <zombie67> and successful, right?

01:44 <zombie67> what happens if I have a pcie fast gpu, and a slower pci gpu?

01:45 <PovAddict> BOINC uses the fast one and ignores the slow one

01:46 <zombie67> it won't use both?

01:47 <zombie67> okay, what if there is one cuda and one ati?

01:47 <PovAddict> I don't know

01:48 <zombie67> this is the kinda stuff that gives paul a stiffie

01:48 <zombie67> but it should not be this complicated

01:48 <zombie67> it shoudl just work

01:48 <PovAddict> that's why I don't do GPUs

01:48 <zombie67> heh

02:20 <zombie67> what's the max watts a pci card can pull?

02:21 <PovAddict> 1.8 jiggawatts

02:22 <zombie67> I don't want to end up int 1984, damnit!

02:22 <zombie67> I have an atom box

02:22 <zombie67> it has a 100w psu

02:22 <zombie67> and a pci

02:23 <zombie67> slot

02:23 <zombie67> will a 9400 GT graphics card work?

02:23 <zombie67> according to this, it says that card is 50w

02:23 <zombie67>

02:23 <Romulus> <> (at

02:36 <FreeLarry58> zombie67 probably not card would overload the ps i believe

02:37 <FreeLarry58> if i remember the write ups for atom they were designed for minimal power hence the low rated ps

02:39 <FreeLarry58> as for howmuch power gpu's use i had to replace 550W ps in my machine with minimum 650W to power the 9800's

02:39 <FreeLarry58> and that was pushing the ps limits

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03:10 <zombie67> FL, yeabut

03:10 <zombie67> this is a PCI card

03:10 <zombie67> not a pcie, agp, or whatever

03:12 <zombie67> and it should not pull more than 50w

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06:09 * FreeLarry58 scratches head and cant remember the last time he saw a straight 8 bit bus pci card

06:09 <FreeLarry58> thought the 94oo was a 16 bit pcie even tho some shops called it just pci as abberviation

06:11 <FreeLarry58> last machine i had with a 100 watt ps still had a memory limit of 1M and few fans so 50 w card could easily overload ps if machine is fully operating on installed ps

06:13 <FreeLarry58> changed out a 5500 card to 8400 card on machine with 350W ps worked fine till starting cuda unit then failed as ps overloaded

06:16 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 41.4F / 5.2C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy with areas of drizzle and a slight chance of light rain. High in the mid 40s. East wind near 10 mph shifting to the northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A slight chance of (1 more message)

06:16 <wdsmia> &more

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: light rain and patchy drizzle through midnight. Low in the mid 30s. North wind around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Friday - Cloudy. A slight chance of light rain in the morning... then a chance of light rain in the afternoon. High in the mid 40s. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

06:21 <FreeLarry58> looks like you going to get what i've been having past couple of days doug

06:22 <FreeLarry58> &nn all

06:22 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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06:48 <hawmps_> 'lo

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09:56 <hawmps> slow day...

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13:20 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

13:20 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 41.7°F / 5.4°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.16in / 1021.2hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 7:17 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:42 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

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13:22 <reflect> I have a GPU question..   will BOINC utilize multiple cards?

13:23 <PovAddict> no, it will use the "most capable" card you have

13:23 <reflect> hm.. that's a shame..

13:23 <hawmps> snowing in NJ and westerny NY

13:24 <reflect> building a 7-card machine.. are there plans to let boinc use whatever it finds?

13:24 <hawmps> um... boinc will use mulitple cards... there is one user runing 3 teslas

13:24 <PovAddict> hawmps: are they three identical teslas?

13:25 <hawmps> 1065's iirc..

13:25 <hawmps> so yes.

13:25 <reflect> what if one would have been less capable? it would have been discarded?

13:25 <PovAddict> well there you go

13:25 <hawmps> there are people using 265/295 combos

13:26 <PovAddict> oh actually, there is a hidden option to make it use all

13:26 <PovAddict> no idea why

13:26 <hawmps> not 'hidden' anymore...

13:27 <PovAddict> cc_config.xml

13:27 <reflect> ok, that sounds better, thank you.

13:27 <PovAddict>

13:27 <Romulus> Title: Changeset 17855 - BOINC - Trac (at

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17:25 <wdsmia> re-hi

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18:16 <Tank_Master> re wb

18:16 <wdsmia> tgif

18:17 <wdsmia> at least it is for me

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19:23 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 45.1F / 7.3C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of light rain and areas of drizzle through midnight...then a slight chance of light rain and patchy drizzle after midnight. Patchy fog through the night. Low in the mid 30s. North wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance (2 more messages)

19:23 <wdsmia> &more

19:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: of rain 30 percent.; Friday - Cloudy. Patchy drizzle in the morning...then a slight chance of light rain and patchy drizzle in the afternoon. High in the upper 40s. North wind around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Friday Night - Cloudy. A chance of light rain through midnight... then a chance of light rain or light snow after midnight. Low in the mid 30s. North wind around 5 mph. Chance (1 more message)

19:23 <wdsmia> &more

19:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: of precipitation 40 percent.;

19:23 <PovAddict> &wx eze

19:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM ART; Clear. High:64 F.; Clear. Low:42 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:60 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F.; Clear. Low:48 F.;

19:25 <wdsmia> &wx 92626

19:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 77.9F / 25.5C | Humidity: -999% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog overnight. Lows 59 to 64. Light winds.; Friday - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 74 to 79 near the coast to 86 to 91 inland. Light winds.; Friday Night (1 more message)

19:25 <wdsmia> &more

19:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: - Mostly clear. Lows 58 to 63. Light winds.; High Surf Advisory for Orange County in effect until 12:00 AM PDT on October 16, 2009;

19:26 <wdsmia> heading there sunday

19:26 <PovAddict> &zipinfo 50319

19:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: City: Des Moines; State: IA; County: Polk; Area Code: 515; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 41.5929 (North); Longitude: 93.6001 (West)

19:26 <PovAddict> &zipinfo 92626

19:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: City: Costa Mesa; State: CA; County: Orange; Area Code: 949; Time Zone: PST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 33.6791 (North); Longitude: 117.9087 (West)

19:28 <yomshleeshee> &wx stl

19:28 <Romulus> yomshleeshee: Temperature: 49F / 9C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1014hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with areas of drizzle and slight chance of light rain. Low around 40. Northwest wind around 10 mph. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.; Friday - Cloudy. High around 50. Northwest wind around 10 mph.; (1 more message)

19:29 <yomshleeshee> :-/ I don't want to see more

19:29 <wdsmia> &more yomshleeshee

19:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Friday Night - Cloudy. Low in the upper 30s. Light wind.;

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19:31 <yomshleeshee> d'oh!

19:31 <wdsmia> lol

19:31 * yomshleeshee is going to start building an ark

19:31 <wdsmia> whats a cubit?

19:33 <yomshleeshee> depends who you ask, but around 1/2 a meter

19:34 * wdsmia thinks yomshleeshee is not a bill cosby fan

19:35 * yomshleeshee supposes not, though has nothing against him or his show(s).

19:35 <wdsmia>

19:35 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Bill Cosby Noah (at

19:37 * yomshleeshee is listening now.

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19:42 <yomshleeshee> "how long can you tread water"

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19:43 <yomshleeshee> the last bit where noah snaps is the best

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19:46 <wdsmia> its a classic

19:47 <yomshleeshee> yeah, it's pretty good

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