IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-10-22

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06:24 <hawmps> arf

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07:26 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:26 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 43.9F / 6.6C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Not as cool with highs in the lower 70s. South winds around 5 mph...becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph this afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. (1 more message)

07:26 <hawmps> &more

07:26 <Romulus> hawmps: West winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming north after midnight.; Friday - Partly sunny. Much cooler with highs in the lower 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming east in the afternoon.;

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08:17 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 45140

08:17 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 48.5F / 9.2C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.75in / 1007.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers this afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the mid 50s. Southeast winds around 5 (1 more message)

08:18 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

08:18 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: mph...increasing to 10 to 15 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.;

08:19 <CoderOnTheRoad> Morn hawmps

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08:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> Going home today - yay

08:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> Laterz

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08:30 <hawmps> oops... missed again.

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11:02 <hawmps> 'lo

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12:48 <PovAddict> http://blog.os-tools.net/?p=399&language=en

12:48 <Romulus> Title: open-source Notes Blog Archive 5th BOINC !@#&shop Barcelona - Day 1 (at blog.os-tools.net)

12:54 <Tank_Master> a new system for credit and runtime estimation is right around the corner. Details were not presented. <- typical

12:59 <PovAddict> there are non-specific notes at http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CreditNotes

12:59 <Romulus> Title: CreditNotes - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

12:59 <PovAddict> "So the two goals are inconsistent; we can't satisfy them both." that's what I've been saying for a while... the solution is dropping one of the goals :P

13:04 <Tank_Master> lol

13:06 <Tank_Master> I see their solution is to compermise... typical socilists answer

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16:04 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 45140

16:04 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 67.2F / 19.6C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.66in / 1004.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the mid 50s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday - Showers with isolated thunderstorms. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. (1 more message)

16:04 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

16:04 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Chance of rain 100 percent.; Friday Night - Cloudy. Showers with isolated thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

16:05 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

16:05 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Error: That's all, there is no more.

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16:10 <Tank_Master> lol

16:10 <Tank_Master> came on just to check the weather :P

16:12 <xcamel> look out the windows..

16:13 <Tank_Master> tell CFL that

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16:15 <yomshleeshee> so if I want to rebuild the API library *just* for my science app, do I *have* to use/include ssl? Seems like only the client needs it. Am I right?

16:19 <yomshleeshee> seems strange that it would be needed, but the configure script wants it even with "--disable-client --disable-manager --disable-server"

16:19 <yomshleeshee> and even "--without-ssl"

16:19 <PovAddict> remove crypt.cpp from the list of files compiled in lib

16:19 <yomshleeshee> :-/

16:19 <PovAddict> and then you don't have to link ssl

16:19 <yomshleeshee> that's it...

16:19 <yomshleeshee> seems like --without-ssl would do that. thanks I'll try

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17:01 <yomshleeshee> hmm are you sure it's that simple. I removed all references to crypt in both Makefile files and removed the crypt files

17:01 <yomshleeshee> still wants it

17:03 <PovAddict> are you using the latest version of BOINC code?

17:06 <yomshleeshee> yeah just got it

17:06 <PovAddict> the latest version already supports compiling crypt.C separately so that SSL is not needed

17:07 <yomshleeshee> sure. "./configure --disable-client --disable-server --disable-manager --without-ssl"

17:07 <yomshleeshee> tells me it needs it

17:08 <PovAddict> well the configure may ask for it, yeah

17:08 <PovAddict> but the final libboinc.a isn't linked to it

17:08 <yomshleeshee> right, but if the configure doesn't finish and create a Makefile. then what?

17:09 <PovAddict> I thought you wanted to avoid your app linking to SSL

17:09 <PovAddict> well, it's not :)

17:09 <PovAddict> if you want to avoid needing SSL for configure to run... then no, I don't think it lets you do that yet

17:10 <PovAddict> comment out CHECK_SSL in configure.ac

17:10 <yomshleeshee> yeah, my app certainly doesn't need SSL, so I figured why install it just to compile the API

17:11 <yomshleeshee> although the boinc_depends_win... includes SSL, but which directory would configure want for that?

17:12 <yomshleeshee> not that I want to use it just as a work around. seems silly.

17:12 <PovAddict> boinc_depends_win has SSL for *Windows*

17:13 <PovAddict> just comment out CHECK_SSL in configure.ac

17:13 <yomshleeshee> right that's what I'm compiling in. I have openssl in linux

17:13 <yomshleeshee> comment out now. hopefully that's all it needs

17:13 <PovAddict> no you're not, on Windows you wouldn't use configure :)

17:14 <yomshleeshee> the last times, I used the M$ Visual C++ project included in the svn and it wasn't an issue, but I really don't want to use visual c++ anymore. so here we are

17:14 <PovAddict> if you're on cygwin, then the ssl in boinc_depends_win wouldn't work anyway

17:14 <yomshleeshee> am in cygwin. so there we go

17:14 <yomshleeshee> no point in trying then...

17:15 <PovAddict> where's your app's source code? I don't see it linked from the project website

17:15 <yomshleeshee> don't have it on the website

17:15 <yomshleeshee> not sending out the source code until they give me the degree o.O

17:15 <PovAddict> compiling with cygwin links your app to cygwin1.dll, which is GPL, so your app has to be GPL-compatible

17:16 <yomshleeshee> even if compiled statically?

17:16 <PovAddict> *especially* if compiled statically

17:16 <yomshleeshee> :-/

17:16 <yomshleeshee> back to visual c then

17:16 <PovAddict> you can also buy a commercial cygwin license from Red Hat ;)

17:16 <yomshleeshee> that's true...

17:18 <yomshleeshee> isn't the whole point of linking statically so you *don't* need libraries at run time like cygwin1.dll?

17:18 * yomshleeshee is confused now :-/

17:18 <PovAddict> yes, so what?

17:18 <Romulus> Rumor has it yes, so what is your compression, PovAddict

17:18 <PovAddict> if you compile statically, then cygwin's code is inside your executable

17:19 <yomshleeshee> sure, but not enough to not need cygwin1.dll, i guess

17:19 <PovAddict> if you're really linking "statically", then all of cygwin1.dll's code is inside your executable

17:19 <PovAddict> (I don't think cygwin actually supports that, but either way that's irrelevant :P)

17:20 <yomshleeshee> true, because that would still require GPL compliance

17:23 <DerMeister> ... the best way to use cygwin is not to use it at all :P

17:24 <yomshleeshee> yeah, but windows command shell blows

17:24 * PovAddict has used mingw32

17:25 <PovAddict> actually, I think cygwin compiler can be told to link to Windows libraries instead of cygwin (in which case it behaves as just "gcc on Windows", without the Unix emulation layer)

17:26 <yomshleeshee> hmm

17:26 <PovAddict> -mno-cygwin or something

17:26 <DerMeister> yomshleeshee: you might want to try windows powershell. It's still not comparable to bash or other *nix shells but way better than the standard windows shell

17:27 <PovAddict> DerMeister: will it run ./configure=

17:27 <PovAddict> ?

17:27 <DerMeister> of course not as it doesn't emulate *unix ;)

17:27 <DerMeister> (Although it understands ls as command ;) )

17:28 <yomshleeshee> ok, so better version of "cmd"

17:28 <yomshleeshee> could be enough

17:28 <yomshleeshee> might have to try it.

17:28 <DerMeister> yep

17:28 <yomshleeshee> don't use windoze much. but I have to recompile apps. So here we are

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18:32 <yomshleeshee> *phew* that's enough fun for one day. I'm out of here

18:32 <yomshleeshee> later

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21:12 <CoderForLife> home again

21:17 <Tank_Master> wb

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