IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-10-31

00:09 <Rookie_69> NN.

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07:30 <CoderForLife> home again

07:31 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

07:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 48.2F / 9.0C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Today - Showers...mainly this morning. Highs in the lower 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the lower 30s. (1 more message)

07:31 <CoderForLife> &more

07:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds around 5 mph.;

07:40 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sx

07:40 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

07:40 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

07:40 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.42in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 12:20 PM CET; Clear. High:44 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 F.; Overcast. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.;

07:58 <CoderForLife> dang - where'd all the leaves go this week while I was gone?

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10:45 <Romulus> <> (at

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12:49 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

12:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 47.0F / 8.3C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Breezy. High around 50. West wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 30s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Warmer. High in the mid 60s. (1 more message)

12:49 <wdsmia> &more

12:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: South wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

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15:06 <RomW> @Tank_Master: Both the Nvidia and ATI APIs do a fair amount of caching in user space, we haven't been able to find a consistant way of determining when a card has gone offline during the middle of a task instance.

15:06 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

15:06 <Tank_Master> just thought you guys should know :P

15:07 <RomW> I think we would have to implement a CUDA kernel and a Straem kernel and execute them both once a minute to detect that kind of thing

15:07 <RomW> David wants to try and get Nvidia and ATI to add some diagnostics support into their frameworks

15:08 <RomW> We shall see what happens

15:09 <RomW> In the case of an ATI card, the act of initializing the framework from within BOINC caused some apps to crash

15:09 <RomW> So that was pulled at the last minute

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15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi

15:23 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:23 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Clear. High:44 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:32 F.; Overcast. High:46 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:39 F.; Chance of Rain. High:44 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F.;

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15:35 <Tank_Master> to bad the gpu manufactures dont let for utilizing the resources w/o a monitor hooked up

15:35 <Tank_Master> oh and RomW

15:36 <Tank_Master> fyi - on win7/server 2008 R2, simply hooking up a dummy DVI->vga adaptor isnt enough to allow for extending the desktop to that device

15:40 <yoyo[RKN]> I read somewhere, how to build a simple vga adaptor so the gpu thinks there is a monitor

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> just connect the pins for each color with a 70ohm resistor

15:42 <yoyo[RKN]> or something like this

15:54 <Tank_Master> huh

15:54 <Tank_Master> I found out that it works by just having the monitor plug into the secondary gpu

15:55 <Tank_Master> and the primary will still be there even w/o anything pluged in

15:55 <Tank_Master> though I did that after it booted

15:55 <Tank_Master> with the monitor pluged intot he primary during boot

15:55 <Tank_Master> so that might have had soemthing to do with it

16:01 <RomW> LOL

16:01 <RomW> Them darn OSs are gettin smarter

16:02 <RomW> First time I hooked up a secondary monitor on my desktop with Win7 it automatically installed the drivers and extended the desktop

16:03 <RomW> On my tablet it poped up the mobility center and asked which monitor configuration i wanted

16:06 <RomW> I am half expecting that the first time I plug the tablet into a projector the monitor configuration will be switched into presentation mode automatically

16:17 <yoyo[RKN]> is SETI@home out of wus?

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17:55 <Rookie_69> Lasagna is in the oven... Now I just have to wait.

17:55 <Rookie_69> ...

17:55 <efc> moo rookie

17:55 <Rookie_69> ...

17:55 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

17:56 <Rookie_69> ...

17:56 <Rookie_69> Waiting sux.

17:58 <efc> Think of how great it will taste

17:58 <efc> ..Later

17:58 <Rookie_69> Chunk of mozza was a bit green/blue/brown so I had to shave it a bit, but I saves a good bit of it.

17:58 <Rookie_69> ?... saved...

17:59 <efc> Aww, no High Pie

17:59 <efc> I better get ready for dinner here too. Later.

17:59 <Rookie_69> K. CU.

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18:01 <Rookie_69> &seen wdsmia

18:01 <Romulus> Rookie_69: wdsmia was last seen in #boinc 5 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <wdsmia> &more

18:01 <Rookie_69> &more

18:01 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: That's all, there is no more.

18:01 <Rookie_69> Oh.

18:01 <Rookie_69> Silly me.

18:02 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

18:02 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 56.3°F / 13.5°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 17.1mph / 27.5km/h | Updated: 7:02 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy. 60 percent chance of drizzle this evening and after midnight. Showers and periods of drizzle beginning overnight. Amount 2 mm(0.1 in). Fog patches along parts of the coast late this (2 more messages)

18:02 <Rookie_69> &more

18:02 <Romulus> Rookie_69: evening and overnight. Wind southwest 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph). Temperature steady near 12C(54F).; Sunday - Showers and periods of drizzle ending near noon then cloudy. Amount 5 mm(0.2 in). Fog patches along parts of the coast early in the morning. Wind southwest 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 70 km/h (43 mph) becoming west 20 km/h (12 mph) in the morning then becoming (1 more message)

18:02 <Rookie_69> &more

18:02 <Romulus> Rookie_69: northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) in the afternoon. Temperature falling to 10C(50F) in the afternoon. Sunday night clearing in the evening. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light in the evening. Low 1C(34F).; Monday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 10C(50F).;

18:05 <Rookie_69> Whoever decided to put the fuel tank beneath the engine in a sailboat and didn't put an electric fuel pump in the tank should be shot!

18:17 <Rookie_69> Hmm... I see one kid outside being led around by an adult and several lurkers... No wonder nobody knocks on my door.

18:18 <Rookie_69> Rock candy takes on a whole new meaning in this neighbourhood.

18:24 <Rookie_69> ... the kid was not being led around by the lurkers... They were just outside lurking...

18:27 <Rookie_69> They're gone now, and the guy with the bucket of treats next door seems to have packed it in too.

18:31 * CoderForLife slaps Rookie_69 around a bit with a large trout

18:32 * Rookie_69 takes the trout and thanks CFL for dinner.

18:32 <CoderForLife> add that to your lasagne

18:32 <Rookie_69> Oh yeah?

18:33 <Rookie_69> Anything to kill the taste of diesel fuel.

18:34 <Rookie_69> Fish might do it.

18:34 * Rookie_69 never tried a seafood lasagna before...

18:37 * CoderForLife wonders if any seafood has tried human lasagne

18:38 * CoderForLife listens to the doorbell ring to no avail

18:38 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: are you giving candy? :)

18:38 <PovAddict> or getting treats?

18:38 <PovAddict> (threats?)

18:39 <CoderForLife> no, I'm Coding

18:39 <Rookie_69> As soon as he opens the door, the kids run away.

18:39 <PovAddict> so cba to open?

18:39 * Rookie_69 ducks.

18:40 <PovAddict> that's a good idea actually

18:40 <PovAddict> get a mask yourself, and go open the door, see who scares who

18:41 <CoderForLife> A Coder slashed movie: JSON and his large bloody AJAX

18:41 <CoderForLife> er slasher

18:41 <PovAddict> lol

18:44 <Rookie_69> Mmm... Getsonya... err... Lasagna.

18:44 <CoderForLife> seti oow

18:45 <Rookie_69> Again or still?

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18:46 <PovAddict> still :P

18:47 <Rookie_69> No matter... Boxes doing other stuff in the meantime.

18:51 <Rookie_69> This is the awkward time of year where I start up another box when it cools off and shut it down again a little bit later because it's too warm...

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19:15 <FFEMTcJ> is there a boinc ppa?

19:16 <FFEMTcJ> for ubuntu

19:16 <PovAddict> no

19:16 <FFEMTcJ> so just whatever is in the repo is the best i can do

19:16 <PovAddict> and that'd be the easy part anyway :P

19:16 <PovAddict> the problem is that nobody is making updated packages

19:17 <PovAddict> not the lack of an easy way to install them (= a PPA)

19:17 <FFEMTcJ> so basically there is no further production for a linux client?

19:18 <PovAddict> BOINC of course supports Linux on its latest version

19:18 <PovAddict> but BOINC developers don't do *any* distro-specific package

19:18 <FFEMTcJ> ic

19:19 <FFEMTcJ> so if someone did, we'd be golden

19:19 <PovAddict> and the Debian BOINC maintainers have no time

19:19 <PovAddict> see

19:19 <Romulus> <> (at

19:21 <FFEMTcJ> so it would probably be alot better to just download and keep it updated manually?

19:21 <PovAddict> do you use CUDA?

19:22 <FFEMTcJ> dont know what it is

19:22 <PovAddict> do you intend to do processing with your graphics card?

19:22 <FFEMTcJ> no

19:23 <PovAddict> well, that's the only thing recent versions of BOINC add

19:23 <FFEMTcJ> ok

19:24 <FFEMTcJ> currently in the repo its 6.4.5

19:24 <FFEMTcJ> that seems quite a bit out of date

19:25 <FFEMTcJ> the only difference is the graphics card?

19:25 <PovAddict> I run a derivate of 6.2...

19:26 <PovAddict> 6.4 added support for nvidia CUDA

19:26 <Tank_Master> 6.10 added support for ATI

19:27 <PovAddict> released on a specific day to match a press release (nvidia marketing), instead of releasing it once it was working properly

19:27 <PovAddict> 6.6 improved scheduling/workfetch of GPU apps

19:28 <Rookie_69> That's unusual how???

19:29 <PovAddict> 6.8 was for the Intel ProgressThruProcessors marketing crap, and it's not directly available from boinc website; it's what you get if you download the PTP client

19:30 <PovAddict> 6.10 adds support for ATI graphics cards

19:30 <Tank_Master> and yes, you can run on both ATI and nvidia at the same time

19:30 <Rookie_69> On the same box?

19:30 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:31 <PovAddict> if you have a giant PSU

19:31 <Rookie_69> Easily?

19:31 <Tank_Master> im doing it with collatz

19:31 <Tank_Master> stoc BOINC and no appinfo crap

19:31 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: not sure how easily from the hardware/drivers side

19:31 <PovAddict> but boinc should just work... in theory

19:31 <Tank_Master> pov - with windows, hella easy

19:31 <Rookie_69> I've onlt got one worthy gpu... lately.

19:31 <Tank_Master> just install the drivers

19:31 <Tank_Master> id assum linux wouldnt have any problems either

19:31 <Rookie_69> ...only...

19:32 <PovAddict> I dunno, last time I tried to install CUDA drivers, I was left with no graphics

19:32 <Rookie_69> That was my first mistake... I installed all the drivers automatically.

19:33 <Tank_Master> a few days ago Iinstalled server 2008 r2

19:33 <Tank_Master> then the updates

19:33 <Rookie_69> My second mistake was probably impatience.

19:33 <Tank_Master> then installed the drivers for both nvidia and ATI (w./o rebooting )

19:33 <Tank_Master> rebooted

19:33 <Tank_Master> installed BOINC then connected to collatz

19:33 <Tank_Master> and it worked fine

19:34 <Tank_Master> though you do need 2 monitos, one for each card

19:34 <Rookie_69> Cards didn't used to care if they were plugged in...

19:35 <PovAddict> newer OSs are erm... smarter

19:35 <Rookie_69> OK...

19:35 <Tank_Master> you have always had to use dumy plugs on the secondary cards

19:35 <PovAddict> save power by disabling cards you aren't "using"

19:35 <Tank_Master> I think its more that that pov,

19:35 <Tank_Master> but you may be right

19:36 <Rookie_69> These are a new breed.

19:37 <Rookie_69> After a quick and thorough(ish) check, I seem to only have one box with a PCI-Express slot, so I bought one new-ish GPU.

19:38 <Rookie_69> OK... Maybe it was new two years ago.

19:38 <Tank_Master> lol

19:39 <Tank_Master> I have a geforce 250 and aati 5770

19:39 <Tank_Master> on the i7

19:39 <Rookie_69> 4770 on a Pentium-D.

19:44 <Tank_Master> my 5770 can do a collatz WU in about 6 min

19:44 <Rookie_69> 12 to 15 here.

19:49 <Tank_Master> im thinking of ditching my 250 for another 57770

19:49 <Tank_Master> or 2 :P

19:49 * PovAddict thinks someone should seriously go to the and document GPUs

19:55 <Rookie_69> Doug could document the one CUDA he has that takes about 6 hours to do a WU, or whatever...

19:59 <Rookie_69> Oh well... Me going NN>

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