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08:28 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 46.4°F / 8.0°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Isolated light showers in the morning. High in the lower 50s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of showers 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain through midnight...then partly (1 more message)
08:29 <wdsmia> &more
08:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: cloudy after midnight. Colder. Low in the mid 30s. North wind 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of rain in the afternoon. High in the upper 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph.;
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15:58 <JackStorm> &whatis platform_list
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16:26 <quail> 'morning all
16:26 <Tank_Master> afternoon
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17:25 <wdsmia> &quiet
17:25 <Romulus> Shhhhh... Day Sleepers
17:27 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around with 32bit Vista Starter Edition
17:27 <wdsmia> Hmm passed 10M :)
17:28 <efc> ,oo
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17:28 <Tank_Master> 10m?
17:28 <Tank_Master> dont you mean 100m? :P
17:29 <wdsmia> no I started counting after the first 100M
17:29 <Tank_Master> ah
17:29 <Tank_Master> lol
17:30 <Tank_Master> not enough digets in your counter?
17:31 <Tank_Master> according to BAM, I should hit 25m around xmas time
17:31 <efc> bout 500k here
17:31 <Tank_Master> you need a GPU
17:32 <efc> couple of 5 year old machines that don't run that much
17:50 <JackStorm> Tank_Master: I could be up there with a GPU, but Einstein@Home is killing at the moment (8 out of 15 are client errors)
17:51 <Tank_Master> then dont run it :P
17:51 <Tank_Master> I thought einstine abandoned their gpu app
17:51 <JackStorm> from the looks of it they abandoned the cpu app too :)
17:52 <Tank_Master> lol
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17:53 <JackStorm> I run SETI, Milkyway, and Einstien here...whats new a hot that needs cycles?
17:54 <Tank_Master> collatz is the only other project besides MW that uses the aTI GPU
17:54 <JackStorm> s/ a / and /
17:54 <Tank_Master> though I thing gpugrid is developing an ati app as well
17:55 <JackStorm> Tank_Master: not just gpu (in my case it would have to be NV, but just over all)
17:55 <Tank_Master> seti, einstine, gpugrid, collatz and lattice are the only projects with CUDA support
17:56 <Tank_Master> the remaining 70 projects or so are all CPU :P
17:56 <Tank_Master> it depends on what you find worthy
17:57 <JackStorm> outside of SETI, anything that needs CPU :)
17:57 <Tank_Master> theres lots that can use CPU
17:57 <Tank_Master> like WCG
17:57 <JackStorm> well now I guess we should say 'Cycles'
17:58 <JackStorm> I'll add that
17:59 <JackStorm> Tank_Master: would not happen to know the project url off the top of your head?
18:00 <Tank_Master> www.worldcomunityrgrid.org I believe
18:02 <JackStorm> figures, offline for now
18:09 <PovAddict> WCG offline?
18:09 <PovAddict> nope, he typed the URL wrong
18:09 <Romulus> Title: worldcomunitygrid.org (at www.worldcomunitygrid.org)
18:09 <PovAddict> nope not it either lol
18:10 <PovAddict> www.worldcommunitygrid.org
18:12 <JackStorm> Fetching configuration file failed, site off line"
18:13 <PovAddict> works for me
18:14 <JackStorm> direct browser does too
18:14 <JackStorm> hmmm
18:15 <PovAddict> I mean even http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/get_project_config.php works for me
18:15 <JackStorm> yeah me too, but BOINC swears up and down it's offline
18:16 <PovAddict> time to do some repartitioning bbl
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18:17 <Guest71935> hi
18:17 <Tank_Master> hi
18:18 <Guest71935> I have installed boinc first on a dual core amd laptop with ubuntu intrepid where it always made the machine hang immediately
18:18 <Guest71935> now after upgrading to karmic (latest version) it works, but:
18:19 <Guest71935> when I open boinmgr it says disconnected but the workunits are being executed
18:19 <Guest71935> in boincmanager i see no projects, no tasks, ... - with 'top', however, i can see world community grid tasks being crunched...
18:19 <Guest71935> how can I fix this?
18:21 <Tank_Master> wait for povadit to come back, he is a linux guru
18:22 <Tank_Master> which version of BOIN are you useing?
18:22 <Tank_Master> BOINC*
18:22 <JackStorm> Guest71935: you sure boinc-manager is up to date?
18:22 <JackStorm> Tank_Master: should be 5.4
18:22 <JackStorm> err 6.4
18:22 <Tank_Master> for linux?
18:22 <JackStorm> yes, ubuntu
18:23 <JackStorm> yeah, karmic is 6.4.5
18:23 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
18:23 <Tank_Master> thats all I know of, is from that page
18:24 <Guest71935> ok, I'll start it again
18:24 <Guest71935> 6.4.5
18:24 <Guest71935> linux - kubuntu karmic koala
18:24 <Guest71935> boinc-manager version: 6.4.5
18:25 <JackStorm> Guest71935: apt-get remove BOINC, and manually install from the site, I do not know why Ubuntu is out of date on this
18:25 <JackStorm> (granted I know why Debian is, but Ubuntu should not be)
18:26 <Guest71935> under intrepdi it worked only on an intel dual core ubuntu, but not on the amd dual core kubuntu. now, at least it's running already here on my amd dual core with kubuntu now in version karmic
18:26 <Guest71935> ok
18:26 <Tank_Master> lazy good for nuttin coders :P
18:26 <Guest71935> JackStorm: Will manual installation harm my system somehow? and will it also be easily removable in case of emergency?
18:26 <Tank_Master> it should not matter what hardware you are running it on, so long as its x86
18:27 <JackStorm> Guest71935: no and no
18:27 <Guest71935> no? not easily removable??
18:27 <Guest71935> :-(
18:27 <Guest71935> in case it does not work, how do i uninstall it after manual installation?
18:28 <JackStorm> never tried to remove a manual install out side of the package management system for boinc..
18:28 <Guest71935> it won't be able to remove it with adept or synaptic then?
18:28 <JackStorm> no
18:28 <JackStorm> it's not a .deb install
18:29 <Guest71935> hmm, ok
18:29 <Guest71935> well, I will have to figure out then
18:29 <Guest71935> and will I need to re-join the projects?
18:29 <JackStorm> hang on, I'll do it here, give me a few mins
18:30 <Guest71935> I don't want you to change your system just for solving my problems. I'm sure I will find out or ask on #ubuntu how manually installed software can be removed
18:30 <Guest71935> though they will beat me for not having used their package manager, lol
18:30 <Guest71935> will my settings and projects be saved?
18:31 <JackStorm> rtfm chances are they will tell you to come back here :)
18:31 <JackStorm> I'm about to tell you
18:31 <Guest71935> 'k
18:31 <Guest71935> thx
18:31 <JackStorm> I'm removing the client, not the manager
18:32 <Guest71935> So in package manager I also only remove the boinc-manager, not the client?
18:32 <JackStorm> yeah, client manager and seti are seprate packages
18:33 <Guest71935> seti? am not running seti, only world community grid and einstein and cosmology
18:33 <JackStorm> boinc-seti is a package, so I included it
18:34 <JackStorm> just removed client, told it to save data
18:34 <Guest71935> but it's strange that the boinc isntallation I did on a firends intel laptop with ubuntu worked even on intrepid whereas mine on amd laptop with kubuntu did never do so before now. Both where done with synaptic
18:34 <Guest71935> <JackStorm> just removed client, told it to save data
18:35 <Guest71935> ^^ sudo apt-get remove boinc-client ?
18:35 <Guest71935> and how do i tell him to save the settings?
18:35 <JackStorm> yes
18:35 <JackStorm> and it will prompt you
18:36 <JackStorm> but don't do it yet
18:37 <Guest71935> ok
18:38 <Guest71935> I'll download the installer already. O
18:38 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)
18:39 <JackStorm> yeah, but it looks like it's a per user install script
18:39 <JackStorm> and not a system installer
18:39 <Guest71935> and there the 6.10.17
18:39 <Guest71935> oh
18:39 <Guest71935> :-(
18:39 <Guest71935> but system wide is preferred here...
18:40 <Guest71935> as there are three persons using this comp
18:41 <JackStorm> yeah, plus it will auto start on boot, with noone logged in
18:43 <Guest71935> so can i make this script do a systemwide install the autostarts on boot?
18:44 <Guest71935> actually the if i only fremove themanager, could i not also only install the manager then, as the client does already start at boot
18:45 <Guest71935> -the
18:45 <JackStorm> I honestly do not know right now, it's a MOTU release
18:46 <Guest71935> ok, i don't _urgently_ need the manager if I can change the settings in a .config file...
18:46 <Guest71935> Is this possible?
18:47 <Guest71935> I need to lower cpu usage as it makes the laptop heat up so much that it simply switches off without even shutting down the system
18:48 <Guest71935> it's currently configured to use 60% if the settings from the first install in ntrepid have not been overwritten. I could access the manager there once the computation had not yet started
18:48 <JackStorm> multi core laptop?
18:48 <Guest71935> yes
18:48 <Guest71935> dual
18:48 <Guest71935> amd turion x2 64
18:50 <JackStorm> had the same issue on one of my servers here, maxed out all 4 cores to 120%....let me find my config file on that server
18:50 <JackStorm> (told it to use 66% of the cpu)
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18:53 <Guest20865> back
18:54 <Guest20865> sorry, laptop overheated
18:54 <Tank_Master> bummer
18:54 <Guest20865> once i still had vista on this laptop, boinc had no problems with it, nor had the laptop probs with boinc
18:55 <Guest20865> but now, it simply goes for power down - immediately
18:55 <Guest20865> no shutdown
18:56 <JackStorm> yeah timeslicing under linux does not work like it does under windows
18:57 <Guest20865> anything i can do about this?
18:57 <Tank_Master> upgrade to win7 x64?
18:57 <Guest20865> when looking a system monitor the cpu usage is not constsantly high but sinus
18:58 <Guest20865> Tank_Master: I will not use windows ever again, so this is not an option
18:58 <Tank_Master> lol
18:58 <Tank_Master> at least it works... but defelty your choice
18:59 <Guest20865> strange thing: it works flawlessly on my friend's laptop
18:59 <Guest20865> also linux
18:59 <Tank_Master> same boinc version?
19:00 <Guest20865> only two differences were: ubuntu vs kubutnu (both intrepid, and both boinc-installtions via packet-manager so definitely same version) and amd dual core vs intel dual core
19:00 <JackStorm> Guest20865: I can't find where the .deb put the configs, I need to clean install, pull the src debs and see what it going on (and I will, I might ever take over ownership of the deb)
19:01 <JackStorm> Guest20865: my Intel quad dies under the same release, but my dual runs fine :)
19:02 <Guest20865> JackStorm: maybe it's not yet able to handle 4 cores. but my friend and i have the same number of cores...
19:02 <Guest20865> so either it's that boinc doesn't like amd under linux, or it doesn't like kde for some reason
19:04 <Guest20865> JackStorm: do you think, i can prevent the power off by lowering cpu usage of boinc? However, I don't wanna lower it too much, for otherwise it's of no use running boinc, if I never complete a task
19:04 <JackStorm> Guest20865: under linux it should work fine in my case, unless they are using a 1.5 bit numbrer :)
19:04 <Guest20865> who?
19:04 <Guest20865> the kde? amd? boinc?
19:04 <JackStorm> boinc
19:05 <Guest20865> well, that's your realm
19:05 <Guest20865> i don't even know what this is, a 1.5 bit numbrer
19:06 <JackStorm> nor i, I meant 2.5 but still does not exist
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19:08 <JackStorm> yeah 2.5 ... 0:000 1:001 2:010 3:011 4:100...honestly I do not know what to tell you, the ubuntu .deb is far behind the current release
19:09 <JackStorm> I'd have to look in to BOINC more, and see what could be done to update it
19:09 <Guest20865> on my friend's computer i found out that it completes many tasks long before its deadline, but then it requests still many more work units, and some of them are so tall that even when on 24/7 it would not accomplish to finish them all before deadline. Couldn't boinc run some stats for local use on how much time/day the computer is on at all, as not all are servers running 24/7.... and then only request amounts of work according to the
19:09 <Guest20865> average work time per day and the deadlines? Say it's on 6hs/day so it won't request more than 12 of wu's being due in two day
19:11 <JackStorm> and both systems are on 24/7/366(y/4)+1)
19:11 <JackStorm> ie: always on
19:12 <Guest20865> back on windows when i myself still ran boinc without probs, I rna also climateprediction, and after many weeks I sometimes got a "calculation error" or so. forums recommended to always backup the current state and to reset to some backup of the work unit if such an computation erorr occurs. This worked, so feature request #2 is: have boinc make a backup of all workunits currently working on, maybe once a day
19:17 <Guest20865> JackStorm: what's the name of the config file where i can set the cpu usage? so i can try to find it on my own
19:17 <JackStorm> I'm still trying to dig that up
19:18 <Guest20865> ok
19:18 <Guest20865> if i'm gone, I'm too hot
19:18 <Guest20865> ;-)
19:21 <JackStorm> Guest20865: /var/lib/boinc-client/global_prefs.xml
19:21 <JackStorm> and setting max_cpus to 1 and not 2 should do it for you
19:22 <Guest20865> thx
19:23 <Guest20865> hope, this will be only a temporary fix and soon I can dedicate my two cores to boinc
19:23 <Guest20865> :-)
19:23 <Guest20865> thank you Jack
19:24 <Guest20865> probably most current version of boinc will have already overcome that, so once you get a systemwide installer for it, i would like to try
19:26 <Guest20865> max_cpus was 16
19:26 <Guest20865> <max_cpus>16</max_cpus>
19:27 <JackStorm> I'm going to look in to the code of BOINC and the deb package, and see what can be done to get it updated, and fixed
19:28 <JackStorm> normal software I know what to do with, but this is a special case
19:28 <Guest20865> are you a boinc dev?
19:28 <JackStorm> no
19:29 <Guest20865> ah
19:29 <JackStorm> nor an Ubuntu dev
19:29 <Tank_Master> RomW is, but he is not on atm
19:29 <Guest20865> is only ubuntu so slow with including new boinc releases or is debian behind as well?
19:29 <JackStorm> just a guy, that slings code :)
19:29 <Guest20865> hehe, ok
19:30 <JackStorm> Guest20865: ohhhh, debian is as far, or worse
19:30 <Guest20865> lol
19:30 <JackStorm> BOINC Ubuntu is a MOTU release
19:30 <JackStorm> (Masters Of The Universe)
19:30 <Guest20865> ok. So my thought of using a debian package instead of an ubuntu one, won't help either
19:31 <Guest20865> who are those MOTU?
19:31 <JackStorm> Ubuntu Core
19:32 <JackStorm> else you mean HeMan, Man At Arms, etc...Later SheRa...
19:33 <Guest20865> superman, spiderman, batman, ...
19:33 <JackStorm> Guest20865: DC, Marvel, DC?
19:34 <Tank_Master> ill brb
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19:42 <Guest20865> JackStorm: If I want to backup all my settings (cpu usage, times to connect to the internet, ... but also the projects I'm attached to, so I need not really remember my password there - I never check the websites anyway) - then would it be sufficient to simply backupt the directory /var/lib/boinc-client ?
19:44 <PovAddict> only the account_*.xml files
19:44 <JackStorm> Guest20865: what PovAddict said
19:44 <Guest20865> PovAddict: .ok, that's for the accounts, username and passwords
19:45 <Guest20865> and all local boinc settings? cpu usage, disk usage is only the global-prefs.xml?
19:47 <PovAddict> global_prefs.xml gets overwritten each time the client connects to a project
19:47 <PovAddict> if you set settings on the project website, you'll get your settings back as soon as you attach to a project
19:47 <Guest20865> I ask this, so in case i bork something, I can really purge it here with all the settings or tweaked settings and then reinstall, and paste the backup in there so i need not to re-join the projects without remebering my password without having to create new accounts...
19:48 <Guest20865> PovAddict: so my local settings for cpu usage will be overwritten??
19:48 <PovAddict> where did you set those local settings?
19:48 <Guest20865> in boinc-manager - once it still worked
19:49 <PovAddict> then they're in global_prefs_override.xml
19:49 <Guest20865> then, when the wu-computation started it froze the entire system back in the days. Nowadays, after os upgrade, client works, but manager does not show any project
19:50 <Guest20865> <PovAddict> then they're in global_prefs_override.xml
19:50 <Guest20865> ^^ so if I need to adjust cpu usage down to only one core, I can do that manually in global_prefs_override.xml?
19:51 <PovAddict> actually, the easiest way is to ensure you don't have any override.xml file, and set it on the project website
19:51 <Guest20865> and if i wanna make a backup of my local client settings, this file is all I need? (apart from the accoun_*.xml files for the accounts, usernames and passwords?
19:51 <Guest20865> ok, I'll see if the pw's are stored in plain text, so I can read/remember them
19:51 <PovAddict> passwords are not stored locally
19:52 <PovAddict> the password is only used when you first attach to the project
19:52 <Guest20865> so i can't access the sites
19:52 <Tank_Master> ?
19:52 <Guest20865> so if i backup the account_*.xml's and copy them over to a fresh and virgin installation npot attached to any project, will that work to make it work?
19:53 <Tank_Master> once attached, it never asks for the PW again
19:53 <PovAddict> client connects to project with email + password, project gives the client your account key, and everything afterwards uses the account key
19:53 <Tank_Master> even when you migrade the folder elsewhere
19:53 <PovAddict> the account.xml file has the account key
19:53 <PovAddict> and no, you can't "remember" that :P
19:53 <Guest20865> ok, then I need account keys + local settings backup
19:53 <MTughan> PovAddict: You can remember it. Most people just choose not to.
19:53 <Guest20865> account_*.xml's + global_prefs_override.xml
19:53 <MTughan> I've memorized a 16-char alphanumeric WPA code to our wireless network.
19:53 <Tank_Master> I just backup the entire boinc folder, its not that big really
19:54 <PovAddict> sure, the people who remember thousands of digits of Pi can too
19:54 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: if it's a *backup*, sure
19:54 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: but you can't move it to a different computer
19:54 <Guest20865> I can't?
19:54 <Guest20865> :-(
19:54 <Tank_Master> on windows you can
19:54 <PovAddict> no you can't
19:54 <Tank_Master> why coudnt you on linux?
19:54 <Tank_Master> I have
19:54 <PovAddict> you will screw up the running workunits
19:54 <Tank_Master> tones of times
19:54 <Tank_Master> w/o loosing any work either
19:54 <Guest20865> i often switch os'es. not computers but os'es
19:55 <PovAddict> you don't lose work
19:55 <Tank_Master> it just startes up where it left off
19:55 <Guest20865> is that a prob?
19:55 <PovAddict> you return invalid results
19:55 <Guest20865> actally not os, but distros
19:55 <Tank_Master> no...
19:55 <PovAddict> how do you know?
19:55 <PovAddict> do you know what "homogeneous redundancy" is?
19:55 <Guest20865> I will want to backup everything but the current work unit if I switch computers
19:55 <Guest20865> simply don't want to re-do all the settings, joinging project, etc
19:55 <PovAddict> Guest20865: you can move the account files anywhere, sure
19:56 <Tank_Master> ive switched between OSs (all windows, and same bit structure) more times than I can remember
19:56 <PovAddict> Guest20865: but you shouldn't move the intermediate state of running workunits to different OS or hardware
19:56 <Tank_Master> even going from XP to vista didnt mess anything up
19:56 <Guest20865> PovAddict: great that's what I want
19:56 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yeah, switching between Windows versions is unlikely to cause problems
19:56 <Guest20865> backup accounts, not tasks/wu's
19:56 <PovAddict> but suppose there is a project where AMD vs Intel causes slight computation differences
19:56 <Tank_Master> are you refering going from win to linux?
19:57 <PovAddict> so to validate properly, they use HR
19:57 <Tank_Master> ahh, then perhaps
19:57 <PovAddict> so that AMD results are only compared to Intel results
19:57 <Tank_Master> I havnt ran on meny AMD systems
19:57 <Guest20865> PovAddict: but talking of bakcups: if you don't switch computer or os: could you have future boinc versions make backups of large intermediate state work units ?
19:57 <PovAddict> if halfway through the workunit you move it from an Intel machine to an AMD machine, then your final result won't match *either* Intel nor AMD
19:58 <Tank_Master> right
19:58 <Tank_Master> for those few projects
19:58 <Tank_Master> but most projects dont have that issue
19:58 <PovAddict> for my now-defunct project, I dumped intermediate state from memory to disk directly
19:59 <Guest20865> i did backup the intermediate staes ones too, bakc in the days. with a tiny batch script on windows. but it would be nice if boinc took care of this itself
19:59 <PovAddict> I know for a fact that moving a WU from a big-endian to a little-endian CPU (eg. from PowerPC Mac to Intel Mac) would have crashed the WU instantly; but maybe other platform switches would cause problems as well
20:00 <Guest20865> so in case of computation error, which i got a few times after weeks of crunchin climateprediction and before having my script :-(
20:01 <PovAddict> hmm how big are CPDN states?
20:02 <Guest20865> i don't remember
20:02 <Guest20865> I was mad they were so big, so I detached from project
20:02 <Guest20865> currently not running it any longer
20:02 <PovAddict> actually, I'm a bit more interested about how big a single file can be
20:02 <Guest20865> maybe the got small in the meantime
20:03 <Guest20865> but there were many folks mourning about this, but they said wu's could not be smaller for their simulations as they could not be split and must runn al the years thru
20:03 <PovAddict> yeah
20:04 <PovAddict> there are now new CPDN apps that are smaller (but are doing a different kind of simulation)
20:04 <Guest20865> files were big too. at least the entire folder was big
20:04 <PovAddict> and also some that are bigger (higher precision in simulation)
20:04 <Guest20865> anyway, an automatic backup would be good for anything that calculates more than 24 hours
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21:45 <jasong> anybody here use an RFID system to track stuff? I need one that a retarded monkey can use, the retarded monkey being my mom. ;)
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