IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-11-27

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06:35 <hawmps> 'lo

07:25 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

07:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 28.5F / -1.9C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...warmer. High in the lower 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Low in the lower 30s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. High in the mid 50s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.;

07:29 <hawmps> a bit nippy..

07:29 <wdsmia> yup

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07:39 <da65> anyone about

08:11 <hawmps> about what?

08:34 <da65> ?

08:34 <da65> anyone here maybe is a better Q

08:36 <da65> I have  win7 64 bit and boinc client is not starting on boot, was wondering if anyone else is having this problem

08:36 <PovAddict> no, stating your problem is a better Q

08:37 <da65> tried the permissions thing

08:37 <da65> no joy

08:37 <da65> just did

08:37 <da65> boinc client will not start automatically when os starts

08:37 <da65> I have to manually start it

08:38 <da65> to connect to the manager, if I close it afterwards then the manager does not work

08:38 <da65> so I always have to have the dos window open

08:38 <PovAddict> I thought that's how it always works if you don't install as a service

08:39 <PovAddict> I mean that you start the manager, and the manager starts the client

08:39 <da65> win7 tells me it could not start it and tells me to start the service applet but its not there in the admin bit etc

08:40 <da65> installed boinc as admin too

08:40 <da65> perfect in vista, just a win7 thing I guess, googled a lot but yet to find anything

08:41 <da65> anyone running win7 here?

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10:14 <CoderForLife> Happy Black Friday hawmps

10:16 <CoderForLife> I celebrated by buying 4 2x4s this morning from your buddies at Home Depot.  Walked in at 6:30 - all checkouts were open and the number of employees standing around outnumbered customers by 5 to 1.

10:17 <PovAddict> o.o

10:18 <CoderForLife> I threw down my eight bucks, and watched them fight over it. =)

10:18 <PovAddict> I'm having an auth problem

10:19 <PovAddict> I think I locked myself out of editing my own foaf profile

10:19 <CoderForLife> Security Is Rarely Convenient

10:19 <PovAddict> client-side SSL certificates are more secure than passwords

10:19 <PovAddict> and more convenient since you don't have to remember passwords for a dozen websites

10:19 <PovAddict> right?

10:19 <PovAddict> wrong; my cert was protected by a password and I forgot it

10:19 <CoderForLife> agreed

10:19 <CoderForLife> heh

10:20 <PovAddict> so... rarely convenient indeed

10:21 <CoderForLife> well - back to the basement construction project

10:21 <PovAddict> I can generate a new cert, but I can't assign my new public key to this service without logging in first (catch-22)

10:21 <CoderForLife> you are enscrewed

10:21 <CoderForLife> bbl

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12:07 <desti>

12:07 <Romulus> Title: The pool wants you! - The Tech Report (at

12:37 <Docteh> yup ntp is important

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14:04 <jackygrahamez> hi

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14:23 <yoyo[RKN]> hi jackygrahamez

14:30 <jackygrahamez> hi yoyo

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14:36 <jackygrahamez> I'll be putting some mac platforms for beta testing on DD@H

14:36 <jackygrahamez> some mdrun_beta

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14:56 <CoderForLife> Seems I was a Christel victim

14:57 <CoderForLife> brown went down

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15:02 <CoderForLife> moo efc

15:04 <efc> Moo

15:05 <PovAddict> mains voltage continues its trend:

15:05 <PovAddict> today it rained

15:05 <PovAddict> cooler weather may mean less air conditioning in the area and less voltage drop

15:06 <Docteh> I'm wondering if something like that happens for me

15:06 <Docteh> I'd have to measure it manually though :)

15:06 <PovAddict> so let's see what happens today at 8pm

15:08 <CoderForLife> I used to desd dings mawually, bud I god dired of gedding my dongue doasded

15:08 <CoderForLife> er used do

15:09 <efc> So Pov, does your RAC decrease along with the power?

15:09 <PovAddict> lol

15:09 <PovAddict> I don't think so

15:09 <efc> CPU sl..o..w..s.. down

15:09 <PovAddict> that's measured before the UPS

15:09 <efc> They used to make line conditioners that would help with that kind of thing

15:09 <efc> Don't see them anymore

15:09 <PovAddict> after the UPS, it's probably a 50Hz 220v clean sine wave

15:10 <efc> some UPSs seem to just switch to battery when voltage gets low instead of correcting it

15:10 <PovAddict> mine enters "boost" mode

15:10 <PovAddict> up to a point... if it's too low it'll go to battery, yeah

15:11 <efc> One time at work we had a server designed for Australian power which is, I think, 220v

15:11 <efc> And here the standard is 120

15:12 <efc> So we used an engineering power supply (adjustable voltage) to run it

15:12 <efc> And one day the power blinked

15:12 <efc> The power supply reset to output 120v

15:12 <PovAddict> oh wonderful

15:12 <efc> And it was the end of the server as we knew it

15:13 <PovAddict> hmm looks like it actually switched to battery today at 7 am

15:14 <PovAddict> lasted 2 seconds, I don't have a voltage sample at that time

15:15 <efc> Is your location good for wind turbines?

15:15 <PovAddict> I don't think so

15:15 <efc> Neither is mine.

15:15 <PovAddict> but if the govt gave a crap about the topic, I wouldn't be having voltage drops

15:16 <PovAddict> put wind turbines in all the east coast... solar panels in all the north... we'd be exporting energy to all of south america

15:16 <efc> Its spring there now?

15:16 <PovAddict> yep

15:16 <efc> That doesn't bode well for summer then

15:16 <PovAddict> I have been in the south... I have seen trees with branches in only one side

15:17 <efc> It looks like they can't meet the peak demand

15:17 <PovAddict> because of the strong wind always from the same direction that the poor trees get 3/4ths of the year

15:18 <PovAddict> efc: good thing: our energy crisis this year won't be as bad as previous years

15:18 <PovAddict> efc: bad thing: the reason is that the industry dropped lots, so there's much less industrial power usage

15:19 <efc> Ah.

15:19 <PovAddict> it's like saying "we have less pollution, but only because we're so screwed we can't afford cars anymore"

15:19 <efc> Anyway, a bit of distributed solar/wind might help them keep the voltage propped up

15:20 <efc> Pov: You might have heard, right now our pres is trying to get other countries to drop carbon emissions.. good time for us since our industry is circling the toilet

15:20 <PovAddict> I'm sure my UPS will amortize itself this summer

15:21 <PovAddict> from the power *outages* when the grid gets overloaded

15:21 <efc> Do they do any pump-back storage?

15:22 <PovAddict> I don't know how it works

15:22 <efc> pump back is when you have a lake and run the turbines backwards to store power

15:23 <efc> So they can use the off-peak power later at peak time

15:23 <efc> Need big lakes. Its helpful, but doesn't scale up enough to make a big diff here.

15:24 <efc> Still, they do it when possible, b/c its free money.

15:24 <PovAddict> heh I wonder how many hydroelectric plants we have

15:25 <efc> Typically, not nearly enough.

15:25 <efc> They are like 1% of capacity here

15:25 <efc> More in the northeast (niagra falls)

15:26 <Docteh> guh fire alarm testing

15:26 <PovAddict> oh but we're good at falling behind pessimistic expectations :)

15:26 <Docteh> once a month and they pulse it over about 30mins

15:26 * PovAddict sets Docteh on fire so it's not a test anymore

15:26 <Docteh> tempting

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15:42 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news November 27, 2009

15:44 <Docteh> !print

15:44 <PovAddict> oh cool

15:44 <Romulus> <> (at

15:44 <Docteh> is that spanish?

15:45 <PovAddict> yes

15:45 <PovAddict> that was the news in the BOINC website: "An article on volunteer computing appeared today in the Argentine newspaper La Nacion. "

15:46 <Docteh> ooo

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15:59 <jackygrahamez> hi what's the best way to put convert the xml stats to csv?

16:01 <PovAddict> why do you need it? :)

16:02 <jackygrahamez> we did not have a good backup mechanism on H2@H

16:02 <jackygrahamez> :-(

16:02 <PovAddict> ...

16:02 <PovAddict> again?

16:02 <jackygrahamez> before it was DD@H

16:03 <jackygrahamez> we have that backing up 2 ways nows

16:03 <jackygrahamez> now

16:03 <jackygrahamez> actually 3 ways now

16:03 <jackygrahamez> I'll be doing the same level of backing up on H2@H going forward

16:03 <PovAddict> is dd@h more likely to break than h2@h?

16:03 <jackygrahamez> no

16:04 <PovAddict> why backup one three ways and not at all the other? I'd have assumed if one broke you'd go paranoid on *everything* and backup the two projects and your holiday photos

16:04 <PovAddict> so... how much did you lose?

16:05 <jackygrahamez> well it all started when I was trying to migrate to a new server

16:05 <jackygrahamez> I was trying to replicate things and had two windows open...and kind of distracted by other things going on

16:06 <jackygrahamez> but what I can do is restore the user data from the stats exports

16:06 <PovAddict> depends what user data

16:06 <jackygrahamez> tell zpm how to update the db when new users come a along and we can be back in action

16:06 <jackygrahamez> same way we restored users on DD@H

16:06 <jackygrahamez> we can restore credits email addresses and usernames

16:07 <PovAddict> emails from where?

16:07 <jackygrahamez> probably the forum threads are still ok

16:07 <jackygrahamez> they are not on the innodb

16:07 <jackygrahamez> wait maybe not emails

16:07 <jackygrahamez> but people will have to email us

16:08 <PovAddict> yeah welcome *back* to hell

16:08 <jackygrahamez> not so hard if I train a couple forum administers to help handle it

16:08 <PovAddict> you don't have emails, passwords, account keys

16:09 <jackygrahamez> yes it is sad

16:09 <jackygrahamez> so what I need is to get this stats in the csv format...any suggestions?

16:14 <PovAddict> you may get account keys in the scheduler log

16:14 <jackygrahamez> interesting idea

16:14 <PovAddict> I suggested it for dd@h too...

16:15 <PovAddict> and turned out you had no logs or something

16:15 <PovAddict> I think log level turned too low

16:23 <jackygrahamez> looks like its not as bad as I thought!!!

16:23 <jackygrahamez> we are back

16:23 <jackygrahamez> now I should immediately start a backup routine

16:24 <jackygrahamez> but first I go to the cider mill :-)

16:24 <PovAddict> you had the DB?

16:26 <jackygrahamez> I removed the innodb data file

16:26 <jackygrahamez> and started up again

16:26 <jackygrahamez> it looks like i still have user data

16:26 <jackygrahamez> or maybe its all cached

16:26 <PovAddict> probably from transaction logs

16:27 <PovAddict> wait where did you look?

16:27 <PovAddict> top_users.php? that's cached for like an hour

16:27 <jackygrahamez> mysql> describe user;

16:27 <jackygrahamez> ERROR 1033 (HY000): Incorrect information in file: './DrugDiscovery/user.frm'

16:27 <jackygrahamez> :-(

16:29 <jackygrahamez> I'm stepping out

16:29 <jackygrahamez> talk later

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17:21 <yoyo[RKN]> wow

17:21 <yoyo[RKN]> got muon running in boinc with wine

17:22 <PovAddict> wow o_O

17:22 <PovAddict> in Linux?

17:22 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

17:22 <PovAddict> are you running boinc.exe in wine?

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17:22 <yoyo[RKN]> no

17:22 <PovAddict> then how the...

17:23 <PovAddict> oh right, in 6.x it should work...hmm

17:23 <yoyo[RKN]> wrapper starts /usr/bin/wine muon.exe -b -once

17:23 <PovAddict> ahhh

17:23 <PovAddict> wrapper... yeah that should work nice

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> <task>

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> <application>/usr/bin/wine</application>

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> <stdout_filename>stdout</stdout_filename>

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> <stderr_filename>stderr</stderr_filename>

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> <command_line>muon.exe -b -once</command_line>

17:24 <yoyo[RKN]> </task>

17:24 <PovAddict> I was thinking of a way to allow unmodified (and non-wrapped!) Windows-only apps to run on Linux

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17:25 <PovAddict> may need a bit of a "bridge", since the way a Windows science app talks to a Windows boinc client isn't exactly the same as on Linux

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17:31 <yoyo[RKN]> but I schouldn't make it a default linux app

17:32 <yoyo[RKN]> think I should use tha anonymous platform app instead

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17:34 <jackygrahamez> how about now!!!

17:35 <jackygrahamez> I found a backup I had from the last week of september

17:35 <jackygrahamez> my db crashed on october 14 right before I left for Europe

17:35 <jackygrahamez> better than I thought

17:36 <PovAddict> does hydrogen claim to be a beta project?

17:36 <jackygrahamez> no

17:36 <jackygrahamez> alpha

17:36 <PovAddict> better

17:36 <PovAddict> then don't worry about the missing pieces

17:36 <jackygrahamez> I don't consider DD@H beta yet either

17:36 <jackygrahamez> Though Andrey wants us to be there ASAP

17:37 <jackygrahamez> I'm going to setup a backup for H2 now

17:37 <jackygrahamez> database backup

17:38 <PovAddict> do you still need to read the XML dumps?

17:38 <jackygrahamez> it would be nice to restore missing credits

17:40 <jackygrahamez> b back in a couple minutes with some hot cider hmm

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18:28 <jackygrahamez> back

18:29 <Rookie_69> Cider for me???

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18:33 <Rookie_69> We Canadians gotta make a stand and take over this channel... at least for a nanosecond...

18:33 <Rookie_69> We need recruits!

18:34 <PovAddict> MTughan: around?

18:34 * wdsmia thows Rookie_69 back into the crevasse

18:35 <Rookie_69> Maybe Neil Young or Gordon Lightfoot. Neil probably spends a lot of time staring into space...

18:49 <Docteh> would a quad core with hyperthreading show up as 8 procs in windows?

18:49 <wdsmia> the I7 does

18:50 <Docteh> ah, thx

18:57 <jackygrahamez> no cider for you :-(

18:57 <Rookie_69> :-(

18:57 <jackygrahamez> I also ate some bread pudding

18:58 <Rookie_69> Haven't had that since I lived at home.

19:06 <Rookie_69> ... and I kinda started wandering off about '79...

19:19 <Rookie_69> I'm still wanderin...

19:24 <zombie_67> getting pirates work, but only on my macs

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20:17 <Rookie_69> High today was supposed to be about 9C and it's currently about 11 1/2C...

20:17 <Rookie_69> Maybe Global Warming has finally kicked in...

20:35 <jackygrahamez> oh no now we have to worry about global cooling, quick light some fires

20:50 <Rookie_69> Come on, baby, light my fire...

20:50 <PovAddict> o.o

20:50 <PovAddict> &wx eze

20:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM ART; Chance of Rain. High:66 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Clear. High:82 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 F.; Thunderstorm. High:82 F.; Rain. Low:55 F.;

20:51 <Rookie_69> Almost summer...

20:51 <PovAddict> efc: see? it wasn't so hot today, less air conditioners, less voltage drop

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20:58 <Rookie_69> Pov turned his computer off at 0600 and turned it back on at 2100 yesterday?

20:59 <PovAddict> lol my computer doesn't use that much power

21:00 <Rookie_69> Ok.

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21:04 <Tank_Master> ok... this is odd

21:04 <Tank_Master> my aqua app stoped running in the middle of it

21:04 <Tank_Master> no CPU time elaped, and no CPU usage

21:04 <MTughan> PovAddict: Not to take over the channel. :P

21:05 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: there you go, another canadian

21:05 * Rookie_69 slaps Tank_master for wdsmia

21:05 <Tank_Master> ahh, looks like it was just because freehall was ending...

21:05 * Tank_Master slaps Rookie_69 around with 32bit Vista Starter Edition

21:06 <Rookie_69> Oh... Ow. That really hurt.

21:06 <Tank_Master> yeah

21:06 <Tank_Master> almost as bad as getting slapbed with an einstein cuda app

21:08 <Rookie_69> I wouldn't know about that.

21:15 <Rookie_69> My ATI thingie only learned how to do Collatz so far.

21:15 <PovAddict> MTughan: did you know one of the main developers of PHP runs BOINC? :)

21:16 <Rookie_69> Maybe...

21:17 <Rookie_69> Is that something like PCP?

21:26 * efc sets channel furniture on fire

21:27 <Rookie_69> We have firniture???

21:27 <Rookie_69> ... furniture.

21:27 <efc> We did

21:27 <efc> Now its on fi-ah

21:28 * PovAddict floods the channel with water

21:28 <Rookie_69> Come on, baby, light my fire...

21:28 * PovAddict tries to save Romulus from a short-circuit

21:28 * wdsmia pushes all into a crevasse

21:29 * PovAddict grabs wdsmia while falling, pulling him into the crevasse too

21:29 * wdsmia dumps PovAddict head first into a outhouse

21:30 <efc> Sniff. You put out the fiah.

21:30 * Rookie_69 sits back and watches with a smile on his face.

21:31 * PovAddict sets efc on fire

21:34 <efc> Owweeeeee!

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22:48 <MTughan> PovAddict: Who?

22:48 <PovAddict>

22:48 <Romulus> <> (at

22:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: Ah, I thought you meant they run BOINC as in they administer it like DA or Rom.

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