IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-11-30

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03:37 <bugjar> where is it that boinc-client wants to put its work?  one of my machines is doing nothing because it thinks there is no more disk space available.  on a hunch, i checked /var and removed a ton of cached space and df reports there is plenty there now, so i'm now confused.  i also restarted boinc-client.

03:37 <bugjar> i'm running on a debian box

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06:16 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 27.4°F / -2.6°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High around 50. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny. High in the upper 50s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph (1 more message)

06:16 <wdsmia> &more

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: with gusts to around 25 mph.;

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06:36 <hawmps> 'lo

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08:17 <kathryn_>

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08:17 <KathrynM> one of my students.

08:17 <Romulus> <> (at

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10:32 <E-30> hi

10:45 * E-30 looks in the room and dont know were the websight went to now waaa

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11:12 <E-30> lol

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11:46 <ThePhantom86> I've not been in here in forever

11:47 <ThePhantom86> I've forgotten most of the commands

11:50 <Tank_Master> hiya phantom

11:50 <Tank_Master> long time no see :)

11:50 <ThePhantom86> yeah, been a while

11:50 <Tank_Master> whats new with you?

11:51 <ThePhantom86> I'm married with kids now and my farm is a shell of it's former self. But I'll be putting up Christmas decorations later today.

11:52 <ThePhantom86> you?

11:52 <Romulus> Somebody said you are what you, ThePhantom86

11:52 <ThePhantom86> I see Romulus is still a riot

11:54 <ThePhantom86> &wx 47201

11:54 <Romulus> ThePhantom86: Temperature: 42.4°F / 5.8°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly cloudy. Highs in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Not as cool. Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. (1 more message)

11:54 <Tank_Master> forget you

11:54 <Romulus> 10-4, Tank_Master.

11:56 <ThePhantom86> &seen ThePhantom86

11:56 <Romulus> ThePhantom86: ThePhantom86 was last seen in #boinc 1 minute and 44 seconds ago: <ThePhantom86> &wx 47201

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11:58 <PovAddict> bugjar: if BOINC says "need more space", it doesn't mean the disk is full

11:58 <PovAddict> bugjar: BOINC has options to tell it how much space to use

11:59 <PovAddict> if you have 9GB free but you told BOINC to leave 10GB free, it will refuse to get more work (that's all to avoid BOINC being the *cause* of your disk filling up)

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12:21 <PovAddict>

12:21 <PovAddict> "BOINC has a problem" well no shit

12:21 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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12:30 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: your GUI URLs cause problems...

12:30 <PovAddict> the stupid parser in the BOINC client doesn't cope with lines longer than 256 bytes

12:32 <yoyo[RKN]> which news?

12:32 <PovAddict> and the workshop news description has 686 chars

12:33 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]:

12:33 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - Stuff - post number 1694176 (at

12:34 <desti>

12:34 <Romulus> Title: FGNOnline - Home (at

12:35 <PovAddict> nice desti

12:35 <PovAddict> I hope they allow 3rd party OS like in PS3

12:35 <yoyo[RKN]> and what happens in boincmanager with it?

12:36 <desti> it might be a fake

12:36 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: in boinccmd, the line gets cut

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> should I insert some breaks?

12:45 <PovAddict> nope... BOINC reads a line (up to 256 chars), and if contains <description>, it puts the rest in a string

12:45 <PovAddict> so if it's broken in multiple lines it won't work

12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> are you now attached to yoyo@home?

12:49 <PovAddict> yes

12:50 <yoyo[RKN]> and you are using it for testing?

12:51 <PovAddict> huh

12:51 <PovAddict> my manager isn't showing GUIURL button description at all

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> also not on my manager

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> at least not for 22. Oct

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12:52 <PovAddict> doesn't show it for *any* button

12:53 <yoyo[RKN]> for 24. Nov it is a bit garbage inside

12:53 <PovAddict> haha

12:53 <yoyo[RKN]> and for 27. Nov it is ok

12:53 <PovAddict> looking at syneccmd

12:54 <PovAddict> for 22 oct it's empty

12:54 <PovAddict> probably because it doesn't find a </description> in those first 256 bytes

12:54 <PovAddict> 24 looks OK

12:55 <yoyo[RKN]> version 6.2.18 here

12:55 <yoyo[RKN]> the synec laptop is currently in use by my wife :(

12:56 <PovAddict> hmm garbage huh...

13:00 <yoyo[RKN]> so I shoul write shorter news ?

13:01 <PovAddict> I guess

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13:06 <Migi32> hey everyone

13:08 <Migi32> I remember reading (not too long ago) about some team that all crunched for the same projects

13:08 <Migi32> I think it was done automatically, but I'm not sure

13:09 <Migi32> I don't even know if it's possible to have team-based resource share

13:09 <PovAddict> resource share is handled per *computer*

13:09 <Migi32> but I couldn't find anytihing on Google, so I ask here: is it somehow possible to have team-based resource share?

13:10 <PovAddict> you'd have to start by explaining what "team-based resource share" is :)

13:10 <Migi32> the team says: this week, we'll crunch for project X 20%, for project Y 70% and for project Z 10%

13:11 <Migi32> and all team members (either automatically or not) do that

13:11 <PovAddict> and then users go and set their shares that way - if they personally agree

13:12 <PovAddict> but that'd be interesting to do automatically...

13:13 <Migi32> oh, I think I know how it was done

13:13 <Migi32> I think it wasn't a team, but just one and the same account for every team member (using weak account keys)

13:14 <Migi32>

13:14 <Romulus> <> (at

13:15 <Migi32> (google's cached version because the boinc wiki seems down from here)

13:15 <PovAddict> yeah I should email someone about the wiki...

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13:21 <wdsmia_w> passed 120M :)

13:22 * xionyc presses "play" on the canned applause track.

13:23 <wdsmia_w> :P

13:23 <xionyc> !-)

13:24 <Migi32> o_O

13:24 <Migi32> 120M

13:24 <PovAddict> &cpid wdsmia

13:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: "wdsmia's CPID" could be c0f16ac6eb30094fb940891c66b2d376

13:25 <wdsmia_w>

13:25 <Romulus> <> (at

13:25 <PovAddict> Migi32: wdsmia is #43 worldwide

13:26 <Migi32> I know I just saw :O

13:26 <Migi32> congratulations, wdsmia :D

13:26 <PovAddict> going up 900k a day

13:26 <Migi32> how many computers do you use to achieve 9x my monthly income?

13:26 <Migi32> every day

13:27 <PovAddict> GPUs

13:27 <Migi32> ah :)

13:27 <Migi32> so it's true those can crunch up to 20x faster?

13:28 <PovAddict> yes but compared to what?

13:28 <PovAddict> credits are flawed wrt that

13:28 <Migi32> CPU's

13:28 <PovAddict> suppose I make a project

13:28 <PovAddict> with a grossly inefficient CPU application that could be made much faster by anyone with a clue about C++

13:29 <PovAddict> that gives credits matching the other projects, "as they should"

13:29 <PovAddict> then make a GPU app that is 100x faster, and thus give 100x credits for it

13:29 <xionyc> Well... maybe.  I know that if you look at the time/credit rankings of the 100 CPUs, you'll find that Cell outperforms the top Intels by a factor of 10, but I haven't seen any numbers on GPUs.

13:30 <Migi32> so that's why everyone's crunching Collatz lately :D

13:31 <Migi32> but still, PovAddict, you use only 1 computer?

13:31 <Migi32> surely there are more people than 43 people with BOINC that use GPU's?

13:32 <PovAddict> I do, that's why I have only like 200k

13:32 <PovAddict> after years :P

13:32 <PovAddict> actually I have no idea how many credits i have

13:33 <PovAddict> wow looks like I'm reaching 1M

13:33 <Migi32> oh, sorry, I actually meant wdsmia :)

13:33 <PovAddict> no

13:33 <PovAddict> wdsmia makes a dent in his state's power grid

13:34 <Migi32> ah :)

13:37 <Migi32> sorry I was confused as you were the guy who said "going up 900k a day"

13:38 <PovAddict> "wdsmia is #43 worldwide, going up 900k a day"

13:38 <Migi32> I know :)

13:38 <Migi32> I wonder what number hides behinde the "Number of hosts hidden"

13:43 <Migi32> just wondering, is there anything any BOINC project has achieved lately? (I'm supposed to be studying and my subconscious is fighting to find an excuse not to)

13:43 <PovAddict> well there is one thing no BOINC project has properly achieved, imho

13:44 <PovAddict> publishing and advertising their achievements

13:45 <Migi32> I know... :(

13:49 <Migi32> oh, nope, looks like we're wrong :D

13:49 <Migi32>

13:50 <Migi32> stuff to read :D

13:50 <Romulus> <> (at

13:55 <Migi32> oh boy, this is no bedtime literature :)

14:01 <xionyc> I disagree - nothing puts me to sleep faster than reading "professional" papers.

14:01 <xionyc> (And I have patience for that kind of thing, mind you)

14:03 <Migi32> haha, true :)

14:11 <hawmps> re-hi

14:12 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

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15:12 <hawmps>

15:12 <Romulus> <> (at

15:12 <hawmps> Microsoft's latest round of security patches appears to be causing some PCs to seize up and display a black screen, rending the computer useless.

15:13 <hawmps> if it was running 'windows', how could you tell?

15:15 <PovAddict> wasn't the computer already useless before the update?

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15:54 <xcamel> blah..

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16:28 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: :)

16:30 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, but which subproject?

16:30 <PovAddict> I should work on adding that to my sig eventually

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17:39 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:43 <Migi32> yo

17:44 <Migi32> got to go

17:44 <Migi32> bye

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18:23 <PovAddict> 6.10.20 coming soon

18:28 <wdsmia> and then .21 .22 .23 ect, ect, :P

19:19 <PovAddict> KathrynM reports: Pirates@Home: Message from server: Starting in 121 days and 3 hours, project will require a minimum BOINC core client version of 7.1.0. You are currently using version 6.10.4; please upgrade before this time.

19:20 <CoderForLife> I hear tomorrow is on it's way

19:20 <CoderForLife> but I've been promised that before

19:21 <wdsmia> lol

19:22 <CoderForLife> I think a Windows update disassociated the double click action on an icon with the "open" command, xcmael

19:22 <CoderForLife> er xcamel

19:24 <PovAddict> weird

19:25 <CoderForLife> from the company that brought us the immortal phrase "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run"

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21:53 <bugjar> where does boinc keep its diskspace requirements?  i can find no reference in the /etc/boinc-client/ files for max disk space...

21:54 <PovAddict> you configure it from the manager, or from the project website

21:54 <Tank_Master> its in the preferences on the project

21:54 <Tank_Master> youll need to log into your account on the project's website

21:54 <Tank_Master> then go to computing preferences

21:55 <Tank_Master> and edit it there

21:55 <PovAddict> if BOINC kept configuration in /etc then it would make sense

21:55 <PovAddict> and making sense is against its nature apparently

21:56 <Tank_Master> boinc never makes sence

21:56 <bugjar> ahh

21:58 <bugjar> so the mgr message that a job requires more mesg is to be found in the acct manager ...

21:58 <bugjar> ok, that's freakish

21:58 <PovAddict> wut

21:59 <PovAddict> what does an account manager have to do with anything here? :P

21:59 <bugjar> wouldn't the acct manager mandate to the project what the allowances are on all the systems owned by a user?

22:00 <bugjar> although, for that matter, i made no changes and found that one of my antiques stopped processing jobs.

22:00 <PovAddict> what account manager do you use?

22:00 <Tank_Master> BAM?

22:00 <Romulus> Somebody said BAM is a website, right, Tank_Master

22:00 <Tank_Master> forget bam

22:00 <Romulus> 10-4.

22:00 * Tank_Master slaps himself around a bit with a large trout

22:00 * Tank_Master takes Romulus's cookies. Mwahaha!

22:01 <bugjar> looked, decided that /var/cache (aptcache, as it is a debian machine)was clogging so i cleaned it out. all good. but still no projects for the antique.

22:01 <bugjar> restarted boinc, still nothing.

22:02 <PovAddict> well you should look at the log

22:02 <bugjar> still whines about not having enough diskspace.. the acct manger (gridrepublic, since i still haven't created a bam acct.  i 'm still new newb

22:02 <bugjar> (i'm not a bam'?)  haha.

22:03 <PovAddict> I don't think GR gives you enough control over those settings :P

22:03 <PovAddict> or did you actually find disk prefs options there?

22:03 <bugjar> well, i did look at the log (boinccmd --get_messages, yes?)

22:03 <bugjar> nope, no disk prefs from boinccmd

22:03 <bugjar> notes in the log, tho

22:03 <PovAddict> I mean in gridrepublic website

22:03 <PovAddict> did you find disk prefs there?

22:04 <bugjar> GR -says- it does

22:05 <bugjar> and yeah, i set it up -- so i's set to 8GB or 25% freespace.

22:05 <bugjar> leaving 1GB free, hrm must czek this.

22:05 <bugjar> well, that explains...

22:05 <bugjar> leave 1GB free... well, i got 988M open./

22:06 <bugjar> but that's stupid -- i made no changes

22:06 <bugjar> igh

22:06 <PovAddict> nope, you used more space :P

22:06 <PovAddict> and passed the 1GB threshold

22:09 <bugjar> not what i mean, i made no changes to the settings to the acct mgr

22:09 <bugjar> arg

22:09 <bugjar> ok well changes made.  thanx!

22:09 <Tank_Master> id also set the mem usage to 100%

22:10 <bugjar> ram?

22:10 <Romulus> It has been said that ram is cheep these days, bugjar

22:11 <bugjar> romulus: cheep, cheep, cheep?

22:11 <Romulus> bugjar: No idea!

22:11 <Tank_Master> forger ram

22:11 <Tank_Master> forget ram

22:11 <Romulus> 10-4!

22:11 <PovAddict> dammit!

22:12 <Tank_Master> what?

22:12 <PovAddict> I remember a web tool that helped check your disk limits

22:12 <PovAddict> can't find it

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22:57 <bugjar> damn.  another machine stopped cos it says 0 MB available

22:57 <bugjar> wtf?

22:57 * bugjar scratches his head

22:58 <bugjar> i can't find a thing refering to disk size on milkyway@hom

23:04 <Tank_Master> you only need to do it for one project

23:04 <Tank_Master> itll get propergated though eventualy

23:04 <Tank_Master> to the others

23:11 <bugjar> both computing preferences pages for eintstein@ and milkyway@ are blank.

23:11 <bugjar> preferences limit memory usage when active to ....

23:11 <bugjar> those are on the projects?  via GR or BAM or the project directly?

23:12 * bugjar pulls out hair

23:17 <Tank_Master> 100%

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