00:09 <zombie67> and beta tookit for OSX for cuda 3.0
00:09 <MerryTughan> And a cat on my knee.
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01:34 <Tank_Master> wb
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01:59 <zombie67> TM!
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05:31 <miha> hello folks
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08:31 <XmasXcamel> 'mornin
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09:59 <Sir_Remoz> hi
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11:16 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
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11:16 <wdsmia> &more
11:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of light snow. Low around 15. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Cloudy through mid morning then becoming partly sunny. A slight chance of flurries. High in the lower 20s. Northwest wind around 10 mph.;
11:27 <xcamel> 'lo Doug.. how was xmas?
11:28 <wdsmia> *lo Jay, ok I guess
11:28 <xcamel> tap..tap..tap... this thing on??
11:28 <xcamel> oh.. guess it is..
11:40 <ELGono> lo doug and jay
11:40 <ELGono> hope your stomach is fullfilled like mine ;)
11:41 <ELGono> &weather meiningen, germany
11:41 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 33°F / 1°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:35 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. High:35 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 ° F.; Overcast. Low:22 ° F.;
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12:52 <xcamel> yup... serious over eating yesterday..
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14:41 <GhettoWizard> How do I make boinc realize that if I'm watching a movie or a tv episode, that means I'm using the computer
14:45 <PovAddict> in short: add an exclusive_app setting to cc_config.xml with the process name of your video player
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14:51 <GhettoWizard> Where is cc_config.xml?
14:52 <PovAddict> what OS do you have?
14:53 <GhettoWizard> Windows 7
14:53 <PovAddict> &whatis Windows Vista data dir
14:53 <Romulus> PovAddict: "Windows Vista data dir" could be C:\ProgramData\BOINC
14:54 <PovAddict> &whatis cc_config.xml
14:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: "cc_config.xml" could be a configuration file, used to change BOINC logging flags and change other parameters for debugging. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration
14:54 <GhettoWizard> Yes I am in the BOINC folder
14:54 <GhettoWizard> but there's no cc_config.xml file in there
14:55 <PovAddict> create one, containing http://pastebin.ca/1727719
14:55 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1727719 (at pastebin.ca)
14:55 <PovAddict> with notepad or something
14:56 <GhettoWizard> and restart boinc?
14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> can I somehow ensure, that one core is asigned to one project and the second core is sceduled by boinc for the other tasks?
14:57 <PovAddict> GhettoWizard: it's enough to go to "Advanced -> Reload configuration file" on the manager
14:57 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: what for?
14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> I have one big CPDN beta wu which is mostly suspended
14:57 <GhettoWizard> that broke boinc
15:00 <PovAddict> GhettoWizard: be more specific
15:01 <GhettoWizard> it wouldnt load the projects
15:01 <GhettoWizard> so I removed the cc_config.xml file
15:01 <GhettoWizard> and then it would load them
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17:04 * TheJollyRedGiant coughs descretely
17:04 * Nflight says I think I am the only one awake!
17:05 * TheJollyRedGiant coughs louder to show Nflight someone else is
17:05 <TheJollyRedGiant> hola Nflight
17:05 <Nflight> hola yourself
17:05 <efc> moo TJRG
17:05 <Nflight> I know welcome to this place TheJollyRedGiant
17:05 <TheJollyRedGiant> moo eddie
17:06 <Nflight> Hello efc
17:06 <TheJollyRedGiant> TheJollyRedGiant is my xams nick...usually I'm TheGasGiant
17:07 <Nflight> no clue as to what that all means?
17:07 <Nflight> So what do you prefer to be called?
17:07 <TheJollyRedGiant> everyone score well for christmas presents?
17:08 <efc> It was an agreeable haul.
17:08 <Nflight> Nothing but underwear and Chocolate
17:08 <Nflight> not together - please!
17:08 <TheJollyRedGiant> not eadible then
17:09 <Nflight> no, the real mcCoy, the kind you wear!
17:09 <TheJollyRedGiant> so no new electronic addtions to your crunchers then...
17:09 <TheJollyRedGiant> same here...
17:10 <Nflight> I am saving my funds for one CX-1
17:10 <TheJollyRedGiant> helped a friend buy a laptop and adsl modem/router
17:11 <TheJollyRedGiant> cx-1 camera?
17:12 <Nflight> NO its the tiniest of CRAY machines
17:12 <Nflight> Yes Cray Computers
17:12 <Nflight> http://www.cray.com/Products/CX/Systems.aspx
17:12 <Romulus> Title: Cray Inc., The Supercomputer Company - Products - CX1, CX1-LC, and CX1-iWS Systems (at www.cray.com)
17:12 <PovAddict> TheJollyRedGiant: http://www.cray.com/Assets/Images/products/cx1-with-plug.jpg
17:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yhdc89e> (at www.cray.com)
17:12 <Nflight> Wee Nice Romulus
17:13 <TheJollyRedGiant> i see
17:13 <Nflight> A bot with class, you have him or it trained well!
17:14 <Nflight> That is my prey, by February 1, I should have one in house!
17:15 <Nflight> Be careful now when you drool on the keyboard it tends to not work anymore!
17:15 <efc> The CRAYfish
17:15 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol....sweet
17:17 <Nflight> Yes so all funds are going towards having the right setup ready for ignition. I am having an electrician install the needed outlets to be able to power this beast!
17:17 <Nflight> Also installing a Geothermal cooling system beause we know what happens when you OC it~!
17:18 <efc> Your computer will be a Geothermal Cooling system
17:18 <efc> er, heating.
17:18 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol....what are you going to use it for?
17:18 <Nflight> It is the heater for the house, I need to put a geothermal Heat Pump in to the house to cool the computer when I am cranking it!
17:19 <Nflight> DCing why of course, this is my hobby!
17:20 <TheJollyRedGiant> which projects? Does it have room for a ati 5970 card in it?
17:20 <Nflight> Actually I am getting two, one for the office with statistical analysis of Biomolecular research I am involved in. and also configuring a standalone SCADA system for a project i am working on.
17:20 <TheJollyRedGiant> sweet....which SCADA?
17:20 <Nflight> The system CX-1 is capable of handling upto 12 Tesla 1060's
17:21 <PovAddict> Nflight: wouldn't it be cheaper to make a BOINC project for the analysis of Biomolecular research you are involved in? :)
17:21 <Nflight> or 6 ATI 5970's
17:21 * TheJollyRedGiant used to be a process control wizard
17:22 <TheJollyRedGiant> should be some huge RAC once it's cranked up!
17:22 <Nflight> PovAddict yes It would be cheaper to do, but currently the information is proprietary and until the intellectual property is secured the base of operations will handle the computing power. Once the IP is secure then the world can help and yes a BOINC project is my thinking !
17:24 <PovAddict> I'd suggest making a BOINC project for in-house use (clients running on PCs within your office), so then all you have to do is open it to the outside
17:24 <Nflight> I waited four years for all this to come about, should be an interesting equation once evrything is put together!
17:25 <Nflight> PovAddict I have several code writers and many IT freaks working for me. Together we have brain stormed abotu how to approach each varibale of a BOINC project equation. BUT first comes the Patent Pending scenario or Intellectual Property (IP), getting that out of our hair will allow us to let the world help us faster and quicker. !
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17:26 <PovAddict> TM!
17:27 <Nflight> Each of my Tech Freaks, or Guru's as they prefer to be referenced has worked or knows of DCing. It should be pretty easy to setup!
17:27 <efc> Moo TM
17:28 <Nflight> We have enough old systems to set up each scenario including all the alpha and beta screw ups that every other project is frustrated by. Of course paying people to be on top of such a project is another thing.
17:29 <Nflight> Economics of anything envisioned must go through the money handlers !
17:30 <Nflight> Getting the streamand Cuda to work seems to be the key parameters to get the most amount of people to work on your project once up and running.
17:30 <TheJollyRedGiant> awesome stuff Nflight
17:30 <Nflight> Details and capability are key, in any confrontation. Making a new BOINC Project a reality is another story!
17:31 <TheJollyRedGiant> that must be a pretty large budget your working with
17:31 <Nflight> I have to go Gentleman. I will be back online probably tomorrow around this time, Thanks for listening!
17:31 <Nflight> CUL
17:31 <TheJollyRedGiant> have fun Nflight
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17:32 <Tank_Master> pov!
17:32 <Tank_Master> hiya efc
17:32 <TheJollyRedGiant> heya T_M
17:33 <Tank_Master> hiya TJRG
17:33 <Tank_Master> long time no see
17:33 <TheJollyRedGiant> very long time
17:33 <Tank_Master> hows it goin?
17:34 <TheJollyRedGiant> frustrated by my main cruncher locking up at random intervals and times
17:34 <Tank_Master> ouch
17:34 <TheJollyRedGiant> don't think it is heat related
17:35 <Tank_Master> time to get a new one? :P
17:35 <TheJollyRedGiant> but appears to occur more often when utorrent is running
17:35 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol...i wish!
17:35 <Tank_Master> hehe
17:35 <Tank_Master> dont we all?
17:35 <wdsmia> you will never catch me with it locking up
17:36 <TheJollyRedGiant> doug..I have no chance of ever catching you
17:36 <TheJollyRedGiant> merry christmas btw
17:36 <wdsmia> Bah Humbug
17:36 <Tank_Master> heh
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17:37 <TheJollyRedGiant> i'd like a i7 with a 4 slot pci-e mobo and a couple of 5970's for my next cruncher thanks
17:37 <Tank_Master> why only 4?
17:38 <Tank_Master> theres some with all 7 as 16x pci-e slots...
17:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> power supply limitations
17:38 <Tank_Master> :)
17:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> ;)
17:38 <Tank_Master> get more than one then :P
17:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> power supply limitations in my house.... ;)
17:40 <Tank_Master> get a second house then :P
17:40 <Tank_Master> hehe
17:40 * TheJollyRedGiant wishes boinc would only start crunching on gpu0 when the screen saver kicked in...
17:40 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol..or upgrade the power supply to this end of the house
17:40 <PovAddict> TheJollyRedGiant: there is a "use GPUs while computer in use" setting
17:41 <Tank_Master> havent they implmets the "dont use gpu0" yet?
17:41 <PovAddict> per-GPU control? I don't think so
17:41 <TheJollyRedGiant> yes Pov but that's for all of them...don't want to affect gpu1 etc
17:41 <PovAddict> you can disable a GPU completely (from cc_config.xml) so that BOINC never uses it
17:41 <TheJollyRedGiant> per-GPU would be ideal
17:42 * TheJollyRedGiant wishes boinc would only start crunching on gpu0 when the screen saver kicked in...
17:42 <Tank_Master> i just put in a geforce 7900 as the primary card to get around that limitation
17:43 <Tank_Master> then the ati 5770 just sits there and crunches
17:43 <TheJollyRedGiant> i have a 4850 and a 4890 in this box...both good for crunching...just prefer the 4850 to kick in when the screen saver kicks in / screen goes black....
17:44 <Tank_Master> agreed
17:44 <Tank_Master> stop crunching on gpu0 while comp is in use
17:44 <Tank_Master> comtinue when not in use
17:44 <Tank_Master> always run on gpu1
17:44 <TheJollyRedGiant> that's it!
17:46 <TheJollyRedGiant> Rom doesn't believe multi-gpu support like this is a priority
17:48 <PovAddict> I have a single GPU
17:48 <PovAddict> and don't use it for crunching :)
17:49 <TheJollyRedGiant> you have to get with the times Pov
17:49 <Tank_Master> no kiddin :P
17:54 <TheJollyRedGiant> &weather ymml
17:54 <Romulus> TheJollyRedGiant: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM EST; Unknown. High:57 ° F.; Clear. Low:53 ° F.; Overcast. High:80 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 ° F.; Clear. High:80 ° F.; Clear. Low:57 ° F.;
17:56 <TheJollyRedGiant> bbiab...breaky time
17:59 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123
17:59 <Tank_Master> &more
17:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.1°F / 4.5°C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.1mph / 1.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 25 to 30. East wind 5 to 10 mph... except east wind 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 45 mph near The Gorge.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs 40 to 45. East wind 5 to (1 more message)
17:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 10 mph...except southeast wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening... then a slight chance of rain after midnight. Lows 30 to 35. East wind 5 to 10 mph...except southeast wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 3:15 PM PST on December 26, 2009;
18:07 <TheJollyRedGiant> ouch -> http://www.theage.com.au/business/green-energy-alarm-sounds-20091226-lfo1.html
18:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfcga7d> (at www.theage.com.au)
18:09 <Tank_Master> so instead of drilling for oil, which can be done with little impact to the invirnment, we instead prefer digging out mines?
18:10 <Tank_Master> and this is better invirnmently how?
18:10 <PovAddict> it's not
18:10 <PovAddict> thats what the article is about :P
18:11 <Tank_Master> lol
18:11 <Tank_Master> thats what i got from it...
18:13 <TheJollyRedGiant> need to do the whole of life CO2 footprint on all products....
18:13 <TheJollyRedGiant> oh well.....been nice chatting, need to hit the road and do some post xmas shopping
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18:14 <TheJollyRedGiant> cu l8r g8r
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19:16 <efc> Berkley acknowledged my money immediately asking for more.
19:17 <PovAddict> ?
19:17 <efc> Berkley/s@h
19:17 <efc> snail mail
19:18 <PovAddict> scan it and post it on the seti forum along with a rant :)
19:19 <efc> could be a coincidence maybe since it was about a year from last donation
19:19 <PovAddict> "I just donated and you asked me for more instead of thanking me"
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19:22 <efc> maybe it was supposed to be a non-religious Christmas card
19:22 <efc> can't remember when I got it
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21:00 * wdsmia pushes Rookie_69 into a crevasse
21:00 * Rookie_69 starts to get used to the decor down here.
21:01 * Rookie_69 just got back from x-mas drinks over at an ex RCMP officer's house.
21:10 <wdsmia> x-mas is done... get over it
21:11 <xionyc> .o0( ex-mas )
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21:13 <Rookie_69> ... post x-mas drinks???
21:13 <Rookie_69> ... pre-new year's drinks?
21:14 <Rookie_69> It was an excuse to drink.
21:14 <XioNYC> Spoiled egg nog or unripe champagne? Tough decision...
21:14 <XioNYC> &coffee
21:14 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
21:14 <Rookie_69> BYOP.
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21:16 <XioNYC> Apropos of nothing, what the hottest temp you've seen on your crunchers? I saw my 4 cores hitting 80°C for the first time about 15 minutes ago, and I'm a bit surprised that no alarms went off.
21:17 <XioNYC> I usually see 66° (72° in summer)
21:18 <Rookie_69> I'm guessing about 84 or 86 when they hadn't been cleaned, but not sure.
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21:18 <Rookie_69> Then I replace parts.
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21:19 * XioNYC is a bit concerned about his G5 hitting the self-destruct/deprecation/no-longer-repairable date
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21:20 <Rookie_69> Doug having connection problems?
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21:50 <Rookie_69> Hmm... I wonder if I should log on three more times... Nah... Too much work. NN.
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22:17 <efc> I hope my next UPS has terminals for an external battery.
22:18 <efc> I could hook it to a bank of deep cycle batteries and compute unimpeded.
22:21 <PovAddict> lol
22:21 <PovAddict> I shut down BOINC while on batteruy
22:21 <PovAddict> battery
22:24 <efc> Computers use mostly the 12v line now?
22:25 <PovAddict> I wish I had a UPS integrated with a PSU...
22:26 <PovAddict> it's *so* wasteful to have the UPS convert 220v AC to 12v DC, then back to 220v AC, and the computer converting it to 12 or 5v DC...
22:26 <efc> Yeah. If the computer only needs 12v we could simplify it some.
22:27 <PovAddict> the computer needs several voltages, but they are all under 12v and all DC
22:27 <PovAddict> how easy is it to convert 12v DC to 3v DC?
22:27 <efc> Converters exist, if the power isn't too high it might be feasible
22:28 <efc> I've heard/read that google etc use individual batteries on each server, no ups
22:28 <efc> But they'd have to have some DC-DC converters to make it work
22:29 <PovAddict> or a big set of batteries for a datacenter, but yeah, not converting battery output back to AC, which is the wasteful part I'd like to avoid too
22:29 <efc> Ok, 9-18v to 3.3v converter, 5 watts, $25
22:30 <efc> 15watts $40
22:30 <PovAddict> doesn't a BOINCing CPU need a bit more than that? :)
22:30 <efc> I'm sure the 12v is being converted onboard to something much lower. Not sure why they do it like that.
22:31 <efc> Not on all the lines.. but some of them yes
22:31 <PovAddict> well I believe a CPU uses 3v
22:31 <efc> Even the 12v would require some regulation
22:33 <efc> There's probably products to do this..
22:34 <efc> 12v to regulated +/-12, +/-5, 3.3, whatever you need
22:34 <efc> and they probably aren't cheap
22:35 <efc> specs off an antec 500.. +3.3V@24A,+5V@24A,+12V1@17A,+12V2@17A,-12V@0.8A, +5VSB@2.5A
22:35 <PovAddict> I'm just now reading how a computer PSU works
22:36 <PovAddict> "Hundreds of switched mode power supplies in a building can result in poor power quality for other customers surrounding that building" o_O weird stuff
22:36 <efc> Poor power factor
22:36 <efc> Which I don't completely understand
22:36 <efc> drawing too much from some parts of the AC wave, I think
22:37 <PovAddict> "By slicing up the sinusoidal AC wave into very small discrete pieces, a portion of unused alternating current stays in the power line as very small spikes of power that cannot be utilized by AC motors and results in waste heating of power line transformers"
22:39 <efc> I think when you have a bunch of switching PS's they would tend to cancel out though
22:39 <PovAddict> yeah
22:39 <PovAddict> it's not like their oscillators are in sync
22:43 <efc> Of course laptops do ok on one, maybe two voltages..
22:52 <efc> Found DC-DC PS's.
22:52 <efc> http://www.powerstream.com/DC_PC.htm
22:52 <Romulus> Title: 24V DC Input PC ATX Power Supplies, 24 volt Input. (at www.powerstream.com)
22:52 <efc> $280 for a 400watt
22:53 <efc> (they have 12v too, page wouldn't give me a link to the 12s)
22:58 <PovAddict> http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm isn't this it?
22:58 <Romulus> Title: 12V DC Input PC ATX Power Supplies, 12VDC Input. (at www.powerstream.com)
22:58 <efc> Looks like it
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