IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-12-26

00:09 <zombie67> and beta tookit for OSX for cuda 3.0

00:09 <MerryTughan> And a cat on my knee.

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00:46 <zombie67> back

01:34 <Tank_Master> wb

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01:59 <zombie67> TM!

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05:31 <miha> hello folks

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08:31 <XmasXcamel> 'mornin

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09:59 <Sir_Remoz> hi

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11:16 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

11:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 14.8F / -9.6C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Light snow likely before noon...then a chance of light snow in the afternoon. New snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Total snow accumulation up to 2 inches. High in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 5 (1 more message)

11:16 <wdsmia> &more

11:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of light snow. Low around 15. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Cloudy through mid morning then becoming partly sunny. A slight chance of flurries. High in the lower 20s. Northwest wind around 10 mph.;

11:27 <xcamel> 'lo Doug.. how was xmas?

11:28 <wdsmia> *lo Jay, ok I guess

11:28 <xcamel> tap..tap..tap... this thing on??

11:28 <xcamel> oh.. guess it is..

11:40 <ELGono> lo doug and jay

11:40 <ELGono> hope your stomach is fullfilled like mine ;)

11:41 <ELGono> &weather meiningen, germany

11:41 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 33°F / 1°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:35 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:24 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Overcast. Low:22 F.;

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12:52 <xcamel> yup... serious over eating yesterday..

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14:41 <GhettoWizard> How do I make boinc realize that if I'm watching a movie or a tv episode, that means I'm using the computer

14:45 <PovAddict> in short: add an exclusive_app setting to cc_config.xml with the process name of your video player

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14:51 <GhettoWizard> Where is cc_config.xml?

14:52 <PovAddict> what OS do you have?

14:53 <GhettoWizard> Windows 7

14:53 <PovAddict> &whatis Windows Vista data dir

14:53 <Romulus> PovAddict: "Windows Vista data dir" could be C:\ProgramData\BOINC

14:54 <PovAddict> &whatis cc_config.xml

14:54 <Romulus> PovAddict: "cc_config.xml" could be a configuration file, used to change BOINC logging flags and change other parameters for debugging. See http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Client_configuration

14:54 <GhettoWizard> Yes I am in the BOINC folder

14:54 <GhettoWizard> but there's no cc_config.xml file in there

14:55 <PovAddict> create one, containing http://pastebin.ca/1727719

14:55 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1727719 (at pastebin.ca)

14:55 <PovAddict> with notepad or something

14:56 <GhettoWizard> and restart boinc?

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> can I somehow ensure, that one core is asigned to one project and the second core is sceduled by boinc for the other tasks?

14:57 <PovAddict> GhettoWizard: it's enough to go to "Advanced -> Reload configuration file" on the manager

14:57 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: what for?

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> I have one big CPDN beta wu which is mostly suspended

14:57 <GhettoWizard> that broke boinc

15:00 <PovAddict> GhettoWizard: be more specific

15:01 <GhettoWizard> it wouldnt load the projects

15:01 <GhettoWizard> so I removed the cc_config.xml file

15:01 <GhettoWizard> and then it would load them

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17:04 * TheJollyRedGiant coughs descretely

17:04 * Nflight says I think I am the only one awake!

17:05 * TheJollyRedGiant coughs louder to show Nflight someone else is

17:05 <TheJollyRedGiant> hola Nflight

17:05 <Nflight> hola yourself

17:05 <efc> moo TJRG

17:05 <Nflight> I know welcome to this place TheJollyRedGiant

17:05 <TheJollyRedGiant> moo eddie

17:06 <Nflight> Hello efc

17:06 <TheJollyRedGiant> TheJollyRedGiant is my xams nick...usually I'm TheGasGiant

17:07 <Nflight> no clue as to what that all means?

17:07 <Nflight> So what do you prefer to be called?

17:07 <TheJollyRedGiant> everyone score well for christmas presents?

17:08 <efc> It was an agreeable haul.

17:08 <Nflight> Nothing but underwear and Chocolate

17:08 <Nflight> not together - please!

17:08 <TheJollyRedGiant> not eadible then

17:09 <Nflight> no, the real mcCoy, the kind you wear!

17:09 <TheJollyRedGiant> so no new electronic addtions to your crunchers then...

17:09 <TheJollyRedGiant> same here...

17:10 <Nflight> I am saving my funds for one CX-1

17:10 <TheJollyRedGiant> helped a friend buy a laptop and adsl modem/router

17:11 <TheJollyRedGiant> cx-1 camera?

17:12 <Nflight> NO its the tiniest of CRAY machines

17:12 <Nflight> Yes Cray Computers

17:12 <Nflight> http://www.cray.com/Products/CX/Systems.aspx

17:12 <Romulus> Title: Cray Inc., The Supercomputer Company - Products - CX1, CX1-LC, and CX1-iWS Systems (at www.cray.com)

17:12 <PovAddict> TheJollyRedGiant: http://www.cray.com/Assets/Images/products/cx1-with-plug.jpg

17:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yhdc89e> (at www.cray.com)

17:12 <Nflight> Wee Nice Romulus

17:13 <TheJollyRedGiant> i see

17:13 <Nflight> A bot with class, you have him or it trained well!

17:14 <Nflight> That is my prey, by February 1, I should have one in house!

17:15 <Nflight> Be careful now when you drool on the keyboard it tends to not work anymore!

17:15 <efc> The CRAYfish

17:15 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol....sweet

17:17 <Nflight> Yes so all funds are going towards having the right setup ready for ignition. I am having an electrician install the needed outlets to be able to power this beast!

17:17 <Nflight> Also installing a Geothermal cooling system beause we know what happens when you OC it~!

17:18 <efc> Your computer will be a Geothermal Cooling system

17:18 <efc> er, heating.

17:18 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol....what are you going to use it for?

17:18 <Nflight> It is the heater for the house, I need to put a geothermal Heat Pump in to the house to cool the computer when I am cranking it!

17:19 <Nflight> DCing why of course, this is my hobby!

17:20 <TheJollyRedGiant> which projects?  Does it have room for a ati 5970 card in it?

17:20 <Nflight> Actually I am getting two, one for the office with statistical analysis of Biomolecular research I am involved in. and also configuring a standalone SCADA system for a project i am working on.

17:20 <TheJollyRedGiant> sweet....which SCADA?

17:20 <Nflight> The system CX-1 is capable of handling upto 12 Tesla 1060's

17:21 <PovAddict> Nflight: wouldn't it be cheaper to make a BOINC project for the analysis of Biomolecular research you are involved in? :)

17:21 <Nflight> or 6 ATI 5970's

17:21 * TheJollyRedGiant used to be a process control wizard

17:22 <TheJollyRedGiant> should be some huge RAC once it's cranked up!

17:22 <Nflight> PovAddict yes It would be cheaper to do, but currently the information is proprietary and until the intellectual property is secured the base of operations will handle the computing power. Once the IP is secure then the world can help and yes a BOINC project is my thinking !

17:24 <PovAddict> I'd suggest making a BOINC project for in-house use (clients running on PCs within your office), so then all you have to do is open it to the outside

17:24 <Nflight> I waited four years for all this to come about, should be an interesting equation once evrything is put together!

17:25 <Nflight> PovAddict I have several code writers and many IT freaks working for me. Together we have brain stormed abotu how to approach each varibale of a BOINC project equation. BUT first comes the Patent Pending scenario or Intellectual Property (IP), getting that out of our hair will allow us to let the world help us faster and quicker. !

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17:26 <PovAddict> TM!

17:27 <Nflight> Each of my Tech Freaks, or Guru's as they prefer to be referenced has worked or knows of DCing. It should be pretty easy to setup!

17:27 <efc> Moo TM

17:28 <Nflight> We have enough old systems to set up each scenario including all the alpha and beta screw ups that every other project is frustrated by. Of course paying people to be on top of such a project is another thing.

17:29 <Nflight> Economics of anything envisioned must go through the money handlers !

17:30 <Nflight> Getting the streamand Cuda to work seems to be the key parameters to get the most amount of people to work on your project once up and running.

17:30 <TheJollyRedGiant> awesome stuff Nflight

17:30 <Nflight> Details and capability are key, in any confrontation. Making a new BOINC Project a reality is another story!

17:31 <TheJollyRedGiant> that must be a pretty large budget your working with

17:31 <Nflight> I have to go Gentleman. I will be back online probably tomorrow around this time, Thanks for listening!

17:31 <Nflight> CUL

17:31 <TheJollyRedGiant> have fun Nflight

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17:32 <Tank_Master> pov!

17:32 <Tank_Master> hiya efc

17:32 <TheJollyRedGiant> heya T_M

17:33 <Tank_Master> hiya TJRG

17:33 <Tank_Master> long time no see

17:33 <TheJollyRedGiant> very long time

17:33 <Tank_Master> hows it goin?

17:34 <TheJollyRedGiant> frustrated by my main cruncher locking up at random intervals and times

17:34 <Tank_Master> ouch

17:34 <TheJollyRedGiant> don't think it is heat related

17:35 <Tank_Master> time to get a new one? :P

17:35 <TheJollyRedGiant> but appears to occur more often when utorrent is running

17:35 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol...i wish!

17:35 <Tank_Master> hehe

17:35 <Tank_Master> dont we all?

17:35 <wdsmia> you will never catch me with it locking up

17:36 <TheJollyRedGiant> doug..I have no chance of ever catching you

17:36 <TheJollyRedGiant> merry christmas btw

17:36 <wdsmia> Bah Humbug

17:36 <Tank_Master> heh

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17:37 <TheJollyRedGiant> i'd like a i7 with a 4 slot pci-e mobo and a couple of 5970's for my next cruncher thanks

17:37 <Tank_Master> why only 4?

17:38 <Tank_Master> theres some with all 7 as 16x pci-e slots...

17:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> power supply limitations

17:38 <Tank_Master> :)

17:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> ;)

17:38 <Tank_Master> get more than one then :P

17:38 <TheJollyRedGiant> power supply limitations in my house.... ;)

17:40 <Tank_Master> get a second house then :P

17:40 <Tank_Master> hehe

17:40 * TheJollyRedGiant wishes boinc would only start crunching on gpu0 when the screen saver kicked in...

17:40 <TheJollyRedGiant> lol..or upgrade the power supply to this end of the house

17:40 <PovAddict> TheJollyRedGiant: there is a "use GPUs while computer in use" setting

17:41 <Tank_Master> havent they implmets the "dont use gpu0" yet?

17:41 <PovAddict> per-GPU control? I don't think so

17:41 <TheJollyRedGiant> yes Pov but that's for all of them...don't want to affect gpu1 etc

17:41 <PovAddict> you can disable a GPU completely (from cc_config.xml) so that BOINC never uses it

17:41 <TheJollyRedGiant> per-GPU would be ideal

17:42 * TheJollyRedGiant wishes boinc would only start crunching on gpu0 when the screen saver kicked in...

17:42 <Tank_Master> i just put in a geforce 7900 as the primary card to get around that limitation

17:43 <Tank_Master> then the ati 5770 just sits there and crunches

17:43 <TheJollyRedGiant> i have a 4850 and a 4890 in this box...both good for crunching...just prefer the 4850 to kick in when the screen saver kicks in / screen goes black....

17:44 <Tank_Master> agreed

17:44 <Tank_Master> stop crunching on gpu0 while comp is in use

17:44 <Tank_Master> comtinue when not in use

17:44 <Tank_Master> always run on gpu1

17:44 <TheJollyRedGiant> that's it!

17:46 <TheJollyRedGiant> Rom doesn't believe multi-gpu support like this is a priority

17:48 <PovAddict> I have a single GPU

17:48 <PovAddict> and don't use it for crunching :)

17:49 <TheJollyRedGiant> you have to get with the times Pov

17:49 <Tank_Master> no kiddin :P

17:54 <TheJollyRedGiant> &weather ymml

17:54 <Romulus> TheJollyRedGiant: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM EST; Unknown. High:57 F.; Clear. Low:53 F.; Overcast. High:80 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 F.; Clear. High:80 F.; Clear. Low:57 F.;

17:56 <TheJollyRedGiant> bbiab...breaky time

17:59 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

17:59 <Tank_Master> &more

17:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.1F / 4.5C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 1.1mph / 1.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 25 to 30. East wind 5 to 10 mph... except east wind 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 45 mph near The Gorge.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain in the afternoon. Highs 40 to 45. East wind 5 to (1 more message)

17:59 <Romulus> Tank_Master: 10 mph...except southeast wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening... then a slight chance of rain after midnight. Lows 30 to 35. East wind 5 to 10 mph...except southeast wind 15 to 25 mph near The Gorge.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 3:15 PM PST on December 26, 2009;

18:07 <TheJollyRedGiant> ouch -> http://www.theage.com.au/business/green-energy-alarm-sounds-20091226-lfo1.html

18:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfcga7d> (at www.theage.com.au)

18:09 <Tank_Master> so instead of drilling for oil, which can be done with little impact to the invirnment, we instead prefer digging out mines?

18:10 <Tank_Master> and this is better invirnmently how?

18:10 <PovAddict> it's not

18:10 <PovAddict> thats what the article is about :P

18:11 <Tank_Master> lol

18:11 <Tank_Master> thats what i got from it...

18:13 <TheJollyRedGiant> need to do the whole of life CO2 footprint on all products....

18:13 <TheJollyRedGiant> oh well.....been nice chatting, need to hit the road and do some post xmas shopping

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18:14 <TheJollyRedGiant> cu l8r g8r

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19:16 <efc> Berkley acknowledged my money immediately asking for more.

19:17 <PovAddict> ?

19:17 <efc> Berkley/s@h

19:17 <efc> snail mail

19:18 <PovAddict> scan it and post it on the seti forum along with a rant :)

19:19 <efc> could be a coincidence maybe since it was about a year from last donation

19:19 <PovAddict> "I just donated and you asked me for more instead of thanking me"

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19:22 <efc> maybe it was supposed to be a non-religious Christmas card

19:22 <efc> can't remember when I got it

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21:00 * Rookie_69 stops in for a quick look before heading off to bed.

21:00 * wdsmia pushes Rookie_69 into a crevasse

21:00 * Rookie_69 starts to get used to the decor down here.

21:01 * Rookie_69 just got back from x-mas drinks over at an ex RCMP officer's house.

21:10 <wdsmia> x-mas is done... get over it

21:11 <xionyc> .o0( ex-mas )

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21:13 <Rookie_69> ... post x-mas drinks???

21:13 <Rookie_69> ... pre-new year's drinks?

21:14 <Rookie_69> It was an excuse to drink.

21:14 <XioNYC> Spoiled egg nog or unripe champagne?  Tough decision...

21:14 <XioNYC> &coffee

21:14 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

21:14 <Rookie_69> BYOP.

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21:16 <XioNYC> Apropos of nothing, what the hottest temp you've seen on your crunchers?  I saw my 4 cores hitting 80°C for the first time about 15 minutes ago, and I'm a bit surprised that no alarms went off.

21:17 <XioNYC> I usually see 66° (72° in summer)

21:18 <Rookie_69> I'm guessing about 84 or 86 when they hadn't been cleaned, but not sure.

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21:18 <Rookie_69> Then I replace parts.

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21:19 * XioNYC is a bit concerned about his G5 hitting the self-destruct/deprecation/no-longer-repairable date

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21:20 <Rookie_69> Doug having connection problems?

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21:50 <Rookie_69> Hmm... I wonder if I should log on three more times... Nah... Too much work. NN.

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22:17 <efc> I hope my next UPS has terminals for an external battery.

22:18 <efc> I could hook it to a bank of deep cycle batteries and compute unimpeded.

22:21 <PovAddict> lol

22:21 <PovAddict> I shut down BOINC while on batteruy

22:21 <PovAddict> battery

22:24 <efc> Computers use mostly the 12v line now?

22:25 <PovAddict> I wish I had a UPS integrated with a PSU...

22:26 <PovAddict> it's *so* wasteful to have the UPS convert 220v AC to 12v DC, then back to 220v AC, and the computer converting it to 12 or 5v DC...

22:26 <efc> Yeah. If the computer only needs 12v we could simplify it some.

22:27 <PovAddict> the computer needs several voltages, but they are all under 12v and all DC

22:27 <PovAddict> how easy is it to convert 12v DC to 3v DC?

22:27 <efc> Converters exist, if the power isn't too high it might be feasible

22:28 <efc> I've heard/read that google etc use individual batteries on each server, no ups

22:28 <efc> But they'd have to have some DC-DC converters to make it work

22:29 <PovAddict> or a big set of batteries for a datacenter, but yeah, not converting battery output back to AC, which is the wasteful part I'd like to avoid too

22:29 <efc> Ok, 9-18v to 3.3v converter, 5 watts, $25

22:30 <efc> 15watts $40

22:30 <PovAddict> doesn't a BOINCing CPU need a bit more than that? :)

22:30 <efc> I'm sure the 12v is being converted onboard to something much lower. Not sure why they do it like that.

22:31 <efc> Not on all the lines.. but some of them yes

22:31 <PovAddict> well I believe a CPU uses 3v

22:31 <efc> Even the 12v would require some regulation

22:33 <efc> There's probably products to do this..

22:34 <efc> 12v to regulated +/-12, +/-5, 3.3, whatever you need

22:34 <efc> and they probably aren't cheap

22:35 <efc> specs off an antec 500..  +3.3V@24A,+5V@24A,+12V1@17A,+12V2@17A,-12V@0.8A, +5VSB@2.5A

22:35 <PovAddict> I'm just now reading how a computer PSU works

22:36 <PovAddict> "Hundreds of switched mode power supplies in a building can result in poor power quality for other customers surrounding that building" o_O weird stuff

22:36 <efc> Poor power factor

22:36 <efc> Which I don't completely understand

22:36 <efc> drawing too much from some parts of the AC wave, I think

22:37 <PovAddict> "By slicing up the sinusoidal AC wave into very small discrete pieces, a portion of unused alternating current stays in the power line as very small spikes of power that cannot be utilized by AC motors and results in waste heating of power line transformers"

22:39 <efc> I think when you have a bunch of switching PS's they would tend to cancel out though

22:39 <PovAddict> yeah

22:39 <PovAddict> it's not like their oscillators are in sync

22:43 <efc> Of course laptops do ok on one, maybe two voltages..

22:52 <efc> Found DC-DC PS's.

22:52 <efc> http://www.powerstream.com/DC_PC.htm

22:52 <Romulus> Title: 24V DC Input PC ATX Power Supplies, 24 volt Input. (at www.powerstream.com)

22:52 <efc> $280 for a 400watt

22:53 <efc> (they have 12v too, page wouldn't give me a link to the 12s)

22:58 <PovAddict> http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-12V.htm isn't this it?

22:58 <Romulus> Title: 12V DC Input PC ATX Power Supplies, 12VDC Input. (at www.powerstream.com)

22:58 <efc> Looks like it

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