IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-12-28

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01:52 <ELGono> morning

02:10 <XioNYC> G'mornin'.

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05:18 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

05:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 23.2F / -4.9C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Breezy. Patchy blowing snow. High in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Very cold. Low 5 to 10 (1 more message)

05:18 <wdsmia> &more

05:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: below. Northwest wind near 10 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny. High 15 to 20. Southeast wind near 10 mph.;

05:18 <ELGono> morning doug

05:19 <wdsmia> mornin

05:19 <ELGono> pm ;)

05:20 <miha> hey alien searchers :D

05:29 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 21.0F / -6.1C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Scattered flurries this afternoon. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 20. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph (1 more message)

05:30 <CoderForLife> &more

05:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.;

05:51 <ELGono> moo cfl

06:21 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:48 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:52 <miha> lo

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06:58 <miha> 'lo

06:58 <miha> any developer here :D

06:59 <hawmps> um... no.

06:59 <hawmps> pov not up yet.

06:59 <miha> hehe

06:59 * miha 'd honored to join :D

06:59 <miha> 'd be :D

06:59 * yoyo[RKN] thinks that PovAddict is up

07:00 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

07:00 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.50in / 999hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 12:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Clear. Low:26 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.;

07:00 <miha> PovAddict made me translate boinc to my language :D now he has no time for me :D

07:11 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:11 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 29.4F / -1.4C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1003.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow this morning...then a chance of snow showers this afternoon. Snow accumulation around an inch. Cooler with highs in the mid 30s. South winds around 5 mph...increasing to west 15 to 20 mph this afternoon. Chance of (1 more message)

07:13 <hawmps> &more

07:13 <Romulus> hawmps: snow 90 percent.; Tonight - Snow showers likely...mainly in the evening. Additional snow accumulation a dusting. Lows around 17. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Brisk and much colder with highs around 18. Northwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.;

07:13 <hawmps> mmmm.. snow

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09:51 <ron_o> is this BOINC for seti@home usage, etc?

10:02 <hawmps> yes, and other projects..

10:12 <miha> aliens :D

10:38 <hawmps> seti failed - no intelligent life on earth.

10:38 <miha> :D

10:39 * miha agrees with http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1306 on human intelligence :D

10:39 <Romulus> Title: Pinewood Derby - Episode Guide - South Park Studios (at www.southparkstudios.com)

10:40 <miha> alien renegade comes with stolen space cash

10:40 <miha> then space cops come

10:40 <miha> :D

10:40 <miha> must see for seti fans :D

10:40 <miha> humans so failed the tesT :D

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11:47 <miha> [Slashdot]     2009-12-28T16:37:00+00:00 : Happy Birthday, Linus  http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/8Bzj3KGQ_Bo/Happy-Birthday-Linus

11:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfkgw5h> (at rss.slashdot.org)

11:51 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: you're an optimist

11:52 <miha> hey pov

11:52 <yoyo[RKN]> why?

11:52 <PovAddict> [08:59] * yoyo[RKN] thinks that PovAddict is up

11:52 <PovAddict> 9 am? :P

11:52 <miha> 9+6 ?

11:52 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

11:52 <yoyo[RKN]> saw an povddict in 26c3

11:54 <ELGono> lol

11:54 <ELGono> u are in berlin yoyo?

11:54 <yoyo[RKN]> but not on 26c3

11:55 <ELGono> hehe hard to get tikets ;)

11:55 <ELGono> and streaming is nearly as good as being there

11:55 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

11:55 <yoyo[RKN]> just see room1

11:56 <ELGono> i hit the 16MByte/s mark this morning

11:58 <ELGono> rotfl ... just switched over to room3 ... all you could see was some 150kg prototype of nerd ... smelling under his arm

11:58 <ELGono> his face looked he didn't like it

12:00 <PovAddict> o_O

12:02 <miha> "Linux" didn't really exist until about August-91 - before that what I had was essentially just a very basic protected mode system that had evolved from a glorified "Hello world" program into a even more glorified terminal emulator. Linux stopped for quite a while at the terminal emulator stage: I played around with Minix, and used my protected mode program to read news from the univerity machine. No down/upload, but it did a fair vt100 emulation, and did it by using

12:03 <miha> sounds so cool! :D

12:03 <miha> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/happy-birthday-linus

12:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yauq96o> (at www.linuxjournal.com)

12:07 <PovAddict> "it is difficult to imagine what the world would be like today had Linus not bought that PC in 1991 with his Christmas and birthday money."

12:07 <PovAddict> bah

12:07 <PovAddict> we would be using GNU systems with a different kernel - maybe starting a few years later

12:08 <miha> yeah. linus was too fast for hurd to ever evolve :D

12:08 <ron_o> linus mentioned that about the hurd developers... he said they were looking for the perfect kernel.... he was right too. :)

12:09 <PovAddict> Enlightenment developers were looking for the perfect desktop environment too

12:09 <miha> well if microsoft had been looking for perfect windows, we'd all be using os/2 :D

12:10 <ron_o> there's nothing perfect about any program.. good philosophical start for any programmer newbie.

12:10 <PovAddict> by the time they had the nice window effects working fast enough with plain 2D acceleration, the world was using 3D-composited desktops already

12:10 <miha> well i see no real 3d desktops yet

12:10 <miha> why not?

12:10 <ron_o> btw, is there any reason why my Boinc manager can't get access to the internet?

12:11 <ron_o> using xubuntu Jaunty

12:11 <PovAddict> maybe because boinc manager has no need to access the internet, and never does

12:12 <miha> if you want boic to send results, you should update manually :D

12:12 <ron_o> under Tools >> Attach to project  .... I see you are wrong.

12:12 <PovAddict> the manager never accesses the internet

12:13 <miha> model-view-controller? :D

12:13 <PovAddict> it just tells the boinc client to do things

12:13 <ron_o> ok, fine. Then my client isn't accessing the internet.

12:14 <ron_o> let me look further.

12:15 <ron_o> is anyone else having problems accessing boinc.berkeley.edu/ ??

12:16 <miha> well svn didnt work for me today

12:16 <miha> didnt try rest

12:16 <miha> webpage doesnt work either

12:16 <PovAddict> seems down

12:35 <miha> PovAddict can i add a wish for boinc... it could monitor temperature sensors...

12:35 <miha> it's a bit dangerous to run boinc on notebooks

12:39 <ron_o> I was thinking of that just now too miha.. but you might run into trouble if the proper drivers aren't installed, etc... already.

12:39 <miha> i guess.. i use gkrellm and i figured i can type 35-40% cpu time

12:39 <miha> then it's stable at around 70

12:40 <ron_o> 70C?

12:40 <miha> ya

12:40 <ron_o> that's hot.

12:40 <miha> it can get to 95 pretty quickly if you try 100% :D

12:40 <ron_o> I just overclocked my cpu, so now I keep an eye on the temp all the time.

12:41 <ron_o> I ran cpuburn, twice for dual cores, and my temp only went to 62C after an hour.

12:42 <ron_o> I should be pretty safe.

12:43 <ron_o> bbiab

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12:53 <hawmps> jut get bigger fans..

12:54 <hawmps> er just even..

12:57 * miha has externel akasa cooler pad

12:57 <miha> :D

13:01 <hawmps> Juneau or Nome?

13:02 <miha> no idea... aluminium two fans black, powered by usb (it gives you that usb back for mouse)

13:02 <miha> it helps to keep the back cool :D

13:03 <miha> for example, in idle it is 46-48 C not 55 C

13:04 <hawmps> I'm guessing you missed the joke..

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13:06 <miha> i guess i'm not that bright :D

13:06 <miha> i guess i'm not that bright :D

13:06 <miha> hmm

13:06 <miha> i guess i'm not that bright :D

13:06 <miha> :D

13:06 <yomshleeshee> o.O

13:07 <wdsmia_w> lol

13:07 <miha> lol

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13:46 <CoderForLife> tee hee

13:48 <CoderForLife> off to take the wife to an eye doctor appointment

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14:15 <hawmps> TMZ completely punked on 'JFK' photo..

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14:18 <Trizicus> Have there been problems w/ boinc recently?

14:18 <PovAddict> there always are

14:18 <Trizicus> i havent been able to connect for 3 days

14:18 <PovAddict> you'll have to be a *lot* more specific than that :P

14:19 <PovAddict> connect to what?

14:19 * yomshleeshee was waiting for PoV to say that

14:19 <Trizicus> PovAddict: To get boinc status

14:19 <Trizicus> my error is just 'error'

14:19 <PovAddict> well boinc website seems down indeed

14:19 <Trizicus> PovAddict: Can you connect to boinc via client?

14:20 <PovAddict> the client doesn't connect to "boinc"

14:20 <PovAddict> it connects to whatever project you attached

14:20 <Trizicus> PovAddict: I cannot connecto to anything to login boinc to connecto to SETI or RESETTA

14:20 <Trizicus> ROSETTA*

14:20 <PovAddict> rosetta is up

14:21 <Trizicus> PovAddict: But I can't connect to anything to login lol

14:21 <PovAddict> you can't attach to the project?

14:21 <PovAddict> hm SETI seems down too

14:21 <Trizicus> PovAddict: No (I think I need to login though)

14:22 <efc> dad's complaining "the internet is slow today"

14:22 <Trizicus> PovAddict: Does this have to do w/ the guy adding boinc to his corp and him getting fired for it?

14:22 <PovAddict> not at all

14:23 <PovAddict> I think it's just network trouble + people who can fix it being on holiday

14:23 <Trizicus> PovAddict: True because I tried to connect on the 24th and was getting errors.

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14:43 <hawmps> seti is still BOINC'd

14:46 <yomshleeshee> yep

14:46 * yomshleeshee still has a WU to upload :'-(

14:52 <PovAddict> boinc website is also inaccessible so it's a bigger problem

14:52 <yomshleeshee> ouch

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15:43 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:10 <efc> moo

16:19 <xcamel> 'lo e

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16:55 <ron_o> my client cannot connect to the internet, and I can't figure out why.

16:56 <ron_o> Using boinc manager, in simple view, it says: Cannot connect to the core client

16:58 <ron_o> I ran this command: $boinccmd --get-state

16:58 <ron_o> and it responded:   Authorization failure: -155

17:01 <ron_o> I don't understand. Why isn't this more intuitive with the Boinc Manager? What is so hard about volunteering your resources and having a client just work?

17:01 <ron_o> man, I've never got Boinc to work.... wow, just incredible.

17:03 <efc> Which project?

17:03 <Romulus> Rumor has it Which project is mikus with again, efc

17:07 <ron_o> I don't have a project yet and never set one up.

17:08 <ron_o> in the manager, I've tried setting up a project but I can't connect... do I need to set up a project in the terminal, with a terminal command?

17:10 <efc> Should be able to do it through gui..

17:10 <efc> "Attach to project" I assume thats not working

17:10 <efc> Unfortunately once I get this stuff installed I don't mess with it often

17:11 <efc> So I don't remember how it goes

17:12 <efc> I'll try attaching on my other machine

17:12 <ron_o> exactly... the berkely boinc site was down today, so maybe that's what's wrong.

17:14 <efc> Yeah I haven't been able to connect to them either

17:14 <efc> I'm trying rectilinear now

17:14 <ron_o> on my Manager, I click on "Attach to Project" and in the bottom right hand corner it says: "connecting to localhost" then it stops and then says "disconnected"

17:15 <efc> Hm, it should have gotten farther than that.

17:15 <efc> I attached to rectilinear crossing no problems.. I'm on an old version FWIW

17:15 <efc> 5.10.45

17:16 <efc> You aren't doing any remote management or anything like that?

17:16 <efc> I always have problems with that

17:17 <ron_o> nope.. straight up computer with internet connection... no virtualization, nothing.

17:18 <efc> BOINC has some remote management of its own, I'd suggest you skip it for a while :)

17:18 <efc> Anyway if you are tryin s@h its probably not going to work until they get back up

17:19 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:19 <efc> moo wdsmia

17:19 <wdsmia> *lo efc

17:21 <ron_o> I'll wait and see... it just sux I've never been able to volunteer my resources in this project. And I've tried before, Every year or so I have so many difficulties I just give up until I come upon something that reminds me of it and then, back to the drawing board.

17:21 <efc> You can try another project in the meantime if you want to see how it works

17:22 <ron_o> no... here's the directions period: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Choosing_and_joining_projects

17:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yk9pdfn> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:22 <ron_o> I can't join *any* project.

17:22 <efc> Oh, now thats bad

17:26 <ron_o> I'm going to start a virtual pc and see if something changes..

17:27 <efc> When I clicked attach to project I got a dialog, click next, got a list of projects, pick one, click next..

17:31 <PovAddict> ron_o: what happens when you try?

17:31 <PovAddict> ah you don't even have the manager connect to the client

17:32 <PovAddict> efc: upgrade that dino already :)

17:37 <ron_o> funny, from a virt machine, ubuntu intrepid 8.10, I can attach to any project... hmmm.

17:37 <ron_o> so it's coming from my machine..

17:37 <PovAddict> what distro and how did you install?

17:37 <ron_o> wonder what's going on..

17:37 <PovAddict> you keep saying you "can't attach" which isn't specific enough

17:37 <PovAddict> does the manager fail to connect to the client? or do you get an error from the attach project wizard?

17:38 <xcamel> re-re-hi

17:38 <ron_o> from my host machine, not my guest above, I installed via synaptic and the host distro is Xubuntu Jaunty (9.04)

17:38 <PovAddict> how did you start the manager afterwards?

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17:39 <ron_o> PovAddict, I'm going to upgrade in a few weeks to 9.10... after I get my new hard drive and deal with some other issues. I'm going to do a clean upgrade.

17:39 <ron_o> I'm going to wait and see if that fixes it before I pull my hair out.

17:39 <ron_o> it

17:40 <ron_o> it's obviously this OS. Perhaps run it off a virtual machine for awhile.. thanks for any help.

17:41 <PovAddict> are you starting it from your desktop environment's application list, or running 'boincmgr' from a console?

17:41 <ron_o> running boincmgr from console.

17:41 <PovAddict> did you do the same in the VM?

17:43 <ron_o> yes... same...

17:43 <PovAddict> then maybe 8.10 fixed that inherent brokenness that has existed since the first boinc package on ubuntu...

17:43 <PovAddict> try your DE's menu item

17:46 <ron_o> well, I'm using 9.04 now. You'd think that the later version of Boinc would work better. :)

17:47 <PovAddict> sorry I meant 9.10 :P

17:47 <PovAddict> anyway, try the menu item on your application list, it should work...

17:48 <ron_o> I tried the menu just now. Same thing.

17:49 <ron_o> let's see. You have it wrong. It's working in 8.10 in my Guest, but it isn't working on 9.04 on my Host computer.

17:49 <PovAddict> ah you didn't say the specific versions for both before :)

17:49 <ron_o> like I said. I'll work on it when I upgrade and just use my Virtual machine to get it to work.

17:49 <ron_o> actually, I did.. but that's beside the point.

17:50 <PovAddict> is the client running? try 'pidof boinc'

17:50 <PovAddict> or 'pidof boinc_client'

17:52 <ron_o> yup, running.

17:52 <PovAddict> do you have /var/lib/boinc/? I don't remember what ubuntu calls it

17:53 <ron_o> yup..

17:53 <PovAddict> cd /var/lib/boinc/; boincmgr

17:54 <ron_o> " /var/lib/boinc-client "

17:54 <PovAddict> then that :)

17:55 <PovAddict> (debian uses /var/lib/boinc/, ubuntu uses /var/lib/boinc-client/, and I often forget which uses which)

17:55 <ron_o> there is no boincmgr in that directory. Is that what you are asking?

17:56 <PovAddict> no

17:56 <PovAddict> boincmgr is in the $PATH, right?

17:57 <PovAddict> run it with /var/lib/boinc-client as the current directory

17:57 <ron_o> 'it's not in there..

17:57 <PovAddict> what isn't where?

17:58 <PovAddict> you don't have a 'ls' binary in every directory in the system, yet you can run it no matter what directory you're currently in

17:58 <PovAddict> and it gives different results depending on what directory you're currently in

17:58 <ron_o> there it goes..

17:58 <ron_o> why is that?

17:58 <PovAddict> boincmgr looks for a certain file only in the current directory

17:59 <PovAddict> since ubuntu puts the data directory in a known place, they should have patched boincmgr to look there

17:59 <PovAddict> I have been complaining about it for quite a while on launchpad bugs

17:59 <PovAddict> including pasting IRC logs from users in this channel affected by this problem (yours could go into the collection :P)

17:59 <PovAddict> *crickets* still broken

18:00 <PovAddict> it works from the desktop environment's application list because the launcher sets the current dir

18:01 <ron_o> that sux... man.. hard to volunteer resources, I swear. :)

18:06 <xcamel> [still broken].. like fixing the 'add projects' dialog so it only exits when you're done adding projects...

18:06 <wdsmia> seti is starting to show signs of life...  they must have finaly paid there power bill

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18:52 <xcamel> or got some stupid alum to pay it..

18:52 <xcamel> hmmm.. just cracked 18MM

18:53 <wdsmia> congrats

18:54 <xcamel> lol - "The Nigerian Crotch Bomber"

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21:15 <quail> 'noon

21:16 <quail> &wx Roseworthy Ag College, South Australia

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21:51 <quail_linux> &wx Roseworthy Ag College, South Australia

21:51 <Romulus> quail_linux: Temperature: 96.8°F / 36.0°C | Humidity: 16% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.3mph / 2.1km/h | Updated: 1:20 PM CST; Clear. High:96 F.; Clear. Low:64 F.; Clear. High:102 F.; Clear. Low:62 F.; Clear. High:100 F.; Clear. Low:57 F.;

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