IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2010-01-29

00:14 <zombie67> pov?

00:14 <zombie67> hrm

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04:52 <swoody> Is this the channel for the boinc distributed computing project?

04:56 <swoody> Well, I'm assuming so :)

04:56 <swoody> Do ATi cards lag behind Nvidia cards in BOINC like they do with F@H?

04:57 <swoody> or are things more equal w/ BOINC?

04:58 <Tank_Master> no

04:58 <Tank_Master> well

04:58 <Tank_Master> what do you mean by "laging behind"?

05:00 <Tank_Master> theres fewer projects that have ATI support than nvidia, but all the projects that have ATI, the high end ATI cards beat out the high end nvidia cards hands down

05:03 <swoody> ah, well that's good to hear :)

05:04 <swoody> with F@H, the new top of the line ATi cards are worse than the older 8800 series cards :/

05:04 <swoody> Nvidia 8800 series*

05:06 <swoody> Do you know offhand which projects support the ATi cards? Projects where they will beat out the nvidia cards like you said?

05:10 <Tank_Master> milkyway, and collatz run ATI

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05:11 <Tank_Master> and are well optimized for ATI

05:11 <swoody> very cool, I'll have a look into them. Thanks :)

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05:11 <Tank_Master> to give a comparison

05:12 <Tank_Master> a GeForce 8800 gets about 20k credits a day in collatz

05:12 <Tank_Master> but my ATI 5770 gets about 80k

05:12 <swoody> very cool :)

05:13 <Tank_Master> the 5970 gets something like 225-250k credits a day :P

05:14 <swoody> lol, I think I have something to add to my shopping list ;)

05:14 <Tank_Master> hehe

05:14 <Tank_Master> collats is running into some problems with the ATI cards though

05:15 <Tank_Master> theres some bottlenect that in the recent app that is better optimised...

05:15 <Tank_Master> the performace didnt increase much, though the GPU load went down

05:15 <Tank_Master> so basicly its taking less power to run the app now :P

05:21 <swoody> ah, well that's fine I suppose :)

05:22 <Tank_Master> fermi may chage all this

05:22 <Tank_Master> but for now ATI has the undisputed lead in the sciencetific crunching power

05:23 <Tank_Master> my 5770 outdoes the GeForce 285

05:27 <swoody> That's great news :)

05:27 <swoody> I've always wanted to go with a complete AMD/ATi rig, but I always feel like I'm getting cheated out w/ F@H production with the GPU

05:28 <swoody> so now, I can focus my GPU on something like Milkyway or Collatz and not feel bad about it :)

05:29 <Tank_Master> collats has a mroe stable work supply

05:29 <swoody> ah, ok

05:29 <Tank_Master> to get MW to work to its full potential, you have to manualy add/edit some files, thats not the case with collatz

05:30 <swoody> Are there any other projects that ATi does well on too, or are these really the only ones?

05:30 <Tank_Master> theres others working onthe apps

05:30 <Tank_Master> but those are the only to in produtiosn with tem

05:30 <Tank_Master> them*

05:30 <Tank_Master> I think SETI may have one, but the credits there always are poor

05:30 <Tank_Master> so i never bother to keep track

05:31 <Tank_Master> collats is doing prim number finding, MW is doing something astronamy wise, but i forget exactly what

05:32 <swoody> gravity waves IIRC?

05:32 <Tank_Master> thats einstine

05:33 <Tank_Master> they abandoned their CUDA app do to poor performance

05:33 <swoody> ah, that's what I was thinking of

05:33 <Tank_Master> ME rewuieres a video card with double presision support though

05:34 <Tank_Master> the 58xx, 48xx cards, and the geforce 360 and higher

05:34 <Tank_Master> 260*

05:36 <swoody> ah, ok. Well I would be aiming for at least a good quality 4800 card, maybe a used 4870x2

05:36 <Tank_Master> gl finding one

05:37 <Tank_Master> the 58xx perform quite a bit better

05:37 <Tank_Master> and the soon to be releases (if not already) 5830 will perform about he same as the 4870 for around $200

05:38 <Tank_Master> plus itll have DX 11 support

05:38 <swoody> well that doesn't sound too bad at all :)

05:41 <Tank_Master> that should get you around 90k credits in collats and MW

05:42 <dizzie> Mad... since i ditched the GUI client and run a bash only, i complete tasks in avg 1hour 20 min :)

05:42 <dizzie> Toook 4 hours+ with the gui :)

05:42 <Tank_Master> o0?

05:42 <Tank_Master> something was wrong then

05:43 <Tank_Master> or are you refering to a linux gui?

05:43 <Tank_Master> as apose ttot eh BOINC manager

05:43 <dizzie> Ofcause

05:43 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

05:43 <dizzie> i run it in a screen now :)

05:43 <Tank_Master> wonder why the linux gui slows thigns down so much

05:43 <dizzie> screen -r boinc, if i want to perk :)

05:43 <swoody> dizzie: which DE were you using?

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05:44 <dizzie> swoody, DE?

05:44 <swoody> desktop environment... like KDE, Gnome, XFCE...

05:45 <dizzie> its lightweigt, even for a Core 2 DUO 3.0 with 8GB DDR2@1066 :)

05:45 <Tank_Master> what project are you running?

05:45 <swoody> yeah, that is pretty odd :/

05:45 <dizzie> SAH

05:45 <dizzie> Yeah very odd

05:46 <Tank_Master> havent rean that in years :P

05:46 <dizzie> What?

05:46 <swoody> I'm running Gnome on a 1.7 GHz celeron M, and it's only using ~1-4% CPU

05:46 <Tank_Master> I was running on P3s back then :P

05:47 <dizzie> Gnome :( i dont like.... memhog :)

05:47 <dizzie> Openbox :)

05:47 <swoody> I enjoyed LXDE, but I never really got into the *boxes for some reason :/

05:48 <swoody> (LXDE utilizes Openbox)

05:48 <Tank_Master> (CPU1) Intel Core i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz @ 2668MHz (ASUSTeK Computer INC. P6T mainboard) (RAM) 6GB, 2.11GB free (HDDs) 3.27TB, 2.02TB free

05:48 <Tank_Master> (VGA1) ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (1GB), 2048x1152x32, 60Hz (OS) Microsoft Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit, 2d 3h 15s uptime, 1w 5d 23h 44m 29s uptime record

05:48 <dizzie> http://www.fredslev.dk/test/ss3.png

05:48 <dizzie> lol

05:48 <dizzie> http://www.fredslev.net/test/ss3.png

05:48 <dizzie> even

05:50 <swoody> that's a nice looking desktop :)

05:50 <dizzie> 1920x1080, hehe i like a clean desktop :)

05:50 <swoody> by the way, Sin City is a good movie, Gamer was kind of meh :/

05:51 <swoody> but I do like your conky setup ;)

05:52 <dizzie> gamer was meh i agree

05:52 <dizzie> i'd share my .conkyrc if you want it

05:52 <Tank_Master> only 1920x1080?

05:52 <dizzie> Yes i only have a 23" screen

05:52 * Tank_Master has 2 23" at 2048x1536

05:53 <dizzie> I dont need a big screen to jerk off :)

05:53 <miha> 15.4" laptop here.. and desktop with old 17" iiyama diamondtron,oldies goldies :D

05:53 <swoody> nah, that's ok. I haven't used conky in some time, and when I do set it up nice, I never even make use of it :P

05:53 <dizzie> I have the matrox tripplehead, i just cant be arsed to hook it up :)

05:53 <Tank_Master> that was crap

05:54 <Tank_Master> limited to 1024x720 per monitor

05:54 <dizzie> Yeah well, my set up works for me :)

05:58 <swoody> dizzie: and a big +1 for using irssi :)

05:58 * miha goes to dentist. wish me good luck with drilling and hopefully white polished result :D

05:59 <dizzie> irssi all the time :)

05:59 <dizzie> i used to use Epic, or ircII

05:59 <swoody> ouch, I'm so sorry miha :(

05:59 <miha> dont be

05:59 <miha> it's my wish not dentist's

05:59 <dizzie> Good luck miha :)

06:00 <miha> basicly that filling fell out of teeth now food gets stuck, doesnt hurt yet, though :D

06:00 <miha> thx l8r

06:00 <swoody> miha: well in that case, have a blast :)

06:00 <dizzie> lol

06:00 <miha> thx bye :D

06:00 <swoody> yeah, I started w/ xchat :/

06:00 <swoody> then I 'discovered' irssi, and haven't gone back :)

06:01 <dizzie> xchat is well xhat :)

06:03 <swoody> indeed :)

06:03 <swoody> but now I must go 'discover' sleep ;)

06:03 <swoody> it was nice talking to you all. Take care!

06:03 <Tank_Master> tc

06:04 <dizzie> Take care

06:28 <hawmps> 'lo

06:28 <dizzie> Hello :)

06:30 <wdsmia> &wx dsm

06:30 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 6F / -14C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.56in / 1035hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High around 15. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low zero to 5 above. East wind near 10 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. High 15 to 20. North wind near 5 mph in the morning becoming light.;

06:31 <dizzie> Eeeek.... cold !

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06:31 <dizzie> &wx aal

06:31 <Romulus> dizzie: Temperature: 27F / -3C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.06in / 984hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Snow Grains | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Chance of Snow. High:28 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:13 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:24 F.; Overcast. Low:21 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:22 F.;

07:02 <Tank_Master> &wx hio

07:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 42F / 6C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: Variable | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Occasional rain in the morning...then rain likely in the afternoon. Highs around 50. East wind 5 to 10 mph. Near The Gorge... east wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 mph decreasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - (1 more message)

07:02 <Tank_Master> &more

07:02 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Rain likely. Lows around 40. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Showers likely. Highs around 50. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

07:10 <dizzie> oh nice, got a boinc output in my conky now :)

07:15 <Tank_Master> your waa?

07:20 <dizzie> google "conky"

07:20 <Tank_Master> why? when i can jsut ask?

07:20 <Tank_Master> :D

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07:21 <dizzie> wb swoody :)

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07:35 <hawmps> bloody friggin cold out

07:35 <hawmps> 4.8/-10 wc

07:38 <dizzie> *passes some hot coffee to hawmps* :)

07:40 <hawmps> indeed

07:49 <dizzie> hawmps, can you explain this?

07:49 <dizzie> 29-Jan-2010 13:44:39 [SETI@home] Starting task ap_20fe07af_B0_P0_00086_20100128_20162.wu_1 using astropulse_v505 version 506

07:49 <dizzie> astropulse? i'm running SAH :)

08:10 <hawmps> sah switches back and forth between AP and SAH

08:13 <dizzie> Ah ok

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08:35 <miha> okey, i survived dentist. it still hurts. on other hand, teeth are almost white now :D

08:35 <miha> so mixed feelings

09:47 <hawmps> always better when it's over, eh?

09:47 <miha> oh, she likes me and we have new appointment in 14 days, to 'heal the tooth' :D

09:48 <miha> she put some medicine inside or something :D

09:48 <miha> funny thing, it didnt hurt before, it hurts a bit now :D

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13:19 <wdsmia_w> Bingo!  http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_100947_project-1.gif

13:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3lpnan> (at www.boincstats.com)

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14:38 <Tank_Master> ATI 10.1 drivers have been posted http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx

14:38 <Romulus> Title: Drivers & Support | GAME.AMD.COM (at game.amd.com)

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15:15 <Zoness> cool

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15:16 <swoody> heya DC'ers :)

15:17 <Zoness> hey

15:22 <miha> http://mirrors.igsobe.com/nongnu/pgubook/ProgrammingGroundUp-1-0-booksize.pdf interesting ebook hm :D

15:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yzvmtko> (at mirrors.igsobe.com)

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16:24 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:24 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 9.7F / -12.4C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 30.43in / 1030.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 10.0mph / 16.1km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Cold with lows around 1 below. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Cold with highs around 17. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Cold with lows (1 more message)

16:24 <xcamel> &more

16:24 <Romulus> xcamel: around 5 above. Northwest winds around 5 mph.;

16:30 <yoyo[RKN]> I moved to a new server and in php require ../inc/xxx.inc doesn't work anymore ?

16:44 <xcamel> damnedifiknow..

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16:57 <dizzie> yoyo checked filepermissions? (chmod 644 *)

16:57 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:58 <dizzie> What error(s) ?

16:59 <yoyo[RKN]> I have it now

16:59 <yoyo[RKN]> followed this http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ServerIntro#permissions

16:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6hrm4w> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:00 <dizzie> Ok good

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17:03 <xcamel> innie/outie ???

17:03 <efc> moo

17:04 <xcamel> 'lo e

17:17 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:21 <efc> went and looked at some land for auction tommorrow

17:21 <efc> think I will skip this one

17:23 <efc> probably 100k an acre for junk

17:24 <efc> well not junk, but its not a diamond mind.

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17:51 <xcamel> no natural gas or mineral rights?

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18:50 <Rookie_69> The last two patties are frying in the pan and the guy from the apartment below me has left here on some adventure. I'm good for the night. Must be at least an hour left of it.

18:51 <xcamel> caprica/warehouse 13 on syfy tonight...

18:52 <Rookie_69> I might actually watch tv if I got some of those channels...

18:53 <Rookie_69> ... but that would double my cable bill.

19:17 <Rookie_69> ... and I don't need my cable bill to be more than my beer bill...

19:18 <Rookie_69> ... it's close.

19:19 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... I'm comparing weeks to months. It's nowhere near close.

19:20 <xcamel> lol

19:33 <Tank_Master> &wxf hio

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19:33 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Are you daft?

19:33 <Tank_Master> no

19:33 <PovAddict> hello world, I'm back

19:34 <Tank_Master> wb pov

19:34 <Rookie_69> Oh no!!!!

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19:36 <xcamel> wb

19:37 <Rookie_69> Warner Brothers???

19:39 <PovAddict> so... I connected my TV tuner card, finally

19:39 <PovAddict> (needed a splitter so both the cablemodem and the tuner card share the TV cable)

19:40 <PovAddict> then I booted the computer for the first time in a week

19:40 <PovAddict> Debian started, took forever in "cleaning up temporary files"... turns out I had a few GBs in /tmp

19:40 <PovAddict> then when X started, it wouldn't accept my password

19:41 <PovAddict> turns out each time I press a keyboard key on the login screen, the letter gets typed twice (press [A], textbox gets 'aa') or three times (press [A], textbox gets 'aAa')

19:42 <PovAddict> I rebooted and got on Windows (I hadn't booted the win partition in *many* months) so I could just test the TV tuner

19:42 <PovAddict> I know the card has worked before on Windows

19:43 <PovAddict> now the bundled software just crashes on startup

19:43 <PovAddict> as if that wasn't enough, it's a zillion degrees celcius in Buenos Aires... so can I please go back on vacation? :/

19:45 <xcamel> come incredible moon tonight

19:45 <xcamel> er 'some' even

19:46 <xcamel> too much fighting with globaloney warmists today to type straight.

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19:57 <PovAddict> hey look, the bundled software is violating the GPL :)

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20:12 <PovAddict> hm tuner working now

20:26 <Rookie_69> I can sorta play the tuner... Is that an acceptable musical instrument?

20:31 <efc> You play the tuner? Hmm

20:31 <Rookie_69> Not very well.

20:33 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

20:39 <efc> My tuner broke

20:39 <efc> Before that, you could play it

20:41 <Rookie_69> Doug doesn't think that we should be playing with our tuners...

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20:43 <Rookie_69> I've been single long enough that playing with my tuner is none of his business.

20:46 * wdsmia thinks that Rookie_69 needs to find a girlfriend

20:46 * Rookie_69 thinks so too.

20:50 <Rookie_69> Tom's stepdaughter seems to be available... I wonder if I could handle a 27 YO with a rugrat..

20:50 <Rookie_69> Nope.

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21:00 <PovAddict> &seen zombie67

21:00 <Romulus> PovAddict: zombie67 was last seen in #boinc 20 hours, 45 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <zombie67> hrm

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22:01 <Rookie_69> NN.

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