IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2010-02-03

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04:19 <Romulus> efc: afternoon. Highs around 50. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

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06:30 <hawmps> 'lo

06:52 <dizzie> Hey :)

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09:26 <Xpistos|work> Is there a way to install boinc on a headless linux server with no gui? I want to get into Set@home again, but I am not sure if I can without the Gui?

09:26 <dizzie> sure, got ssh working, run the console client

09:27 <dizzie> start a screen (screen -S boinc) and then ./run_client

09:27 <Xpistos|work> is there any info on how to install the console client?

09:27 <dizzie> ctrl a + d detaches the screen

09:28 <dizzie> unpack the .sh from the site, and then cd to the dir and do ./run_client

09:28 <Xpistos|work> that is it?

09:28 <dizzie> Basicly yes

09:29 <dizzie> --help gives detailed info how to attach a project etc

09:29 <dizzie> ./run_client --help

09:30 <Xpistos|work> I dont' have alot of time with the program. What do you mean attach a project?

09:31 <dizzie> http://pastebin.com/m1c13c8e4

09:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

09:31 <dizzie> Check the link please

09:32 <dizzie> What linux/freebsd/whatever, are you using ?

09:32 <Xpistos|work> Ubuntu Server 9.10

09:33 <dizzie> apt-get install boinc then :)

09:33 <dizzie> do : apt-cache search boinc

09:33 <dizzie> boinc-client is what you are after

09:35 <Xpistos|work> thanks for the help!

09:36 <dizzie> My pleasure

09:36 <dizzie> Hope it helped

09:36 <Xpistos|work> I use my server quite a bit, but there are occasional 8 hour stretchs where it just sits there cause I don't shutdown

09:37 <dizzie> i use my servers for alot too, and instead of just idling, they run boinc hehe

09:37 <Xpistos|work> I am going to spark up my VM and give it a try

09:37 <dizzie> Good luck with that :)

09:37 <Xpistos|work> what do you run? Seti, Folding?

09:37 <dizzie> Seti, Einstein, Rosetta, Climate, and just started on Milkyway

09:38 <Xpistos|work> WOW! Can you do multiple on one machine or do you have different machines?

09:38 <dizzie> Can do multiply

09:39 <dizzie> The client even out the work in %

09:39 <dizzie> 2 projects = 50% 3 = 33% etc

09:39 <dizzie> on a multicore system, 2 projects can so and so run on each core, so to speak

09:40 <dizzie> My server hehe is a old P4 3.0 :)

09:40 <Xpistos|work> So is mine. lol

09:40 <Xpistos|work> but it has a pretty black box, not beige

09:41 <Xpistos|work> Anyway, thanks for all you insite, you deffinatly have given me something to think about as well!

09:42 <dizzie> Feel free to come back anytime

09:42 <dizzie> And glad i could help

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10:02 <MTughan> Xpistos|work: You can have a client on a headless server and use a GUI on another machine to administrate that client too.

10:03 <Xpistos|work> M tughanlike a web interface sort of?

10:03 <MTughan> The manager uses a custom TCP protocol (if you can even call it that) based on XML for all connections, even ones to the same machine. You just have to have port 31416 open on the client machine.

10:03 <MTughan> No, it's not through a browser.

10:03 <Xpistos|work> I will try that thank you

10:16 <dizzie> I must be bored :)

10:16 <dizzie> Is playing World of Goo :)

10:31 <Xpistos|work> I like world of goo

11:14 <hawmps> cool: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/nasa-wmap-universe-age/

11:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yj2erxz> (at www.wired.com)

11:25 <PovAddict> Xpistos|work: there are unofficial web interfaces

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12:02 <Xpistos|work> PovAddict: Thanks I will see if I can find some

12:02 <PovAddict> but you should just use the non-web GUI to connect to the remote client

12:19 <Xpistos|work> I will give it a try, once I get my server back up and running

13:07 <Xpistos|work> is there a webmin plugin for boinc

13:08 <PovAddict> doubt it

13:08 <PovAddict> but you should just http://www.google.com/search?q=webmin+boinc

13:08 <Romulus> Title: webmin boinc - Google Search (at www.google.com)

13:10 <RomW> LOL, blame UD for the state of the BOINC XML parser

13:10 <RomW> roflmao

13:11 <PovAddict> United Devices?

13:11 <RomW> yup

13:11 <PovAddict> why is it their fault?

13:12 <RomW> early in the beginings of BOINC they opened up a lawsuit claiming it stole their IP

13:13 <RomW> Caused the need for a restrictive license which became known as the BOINC Public license

13:13 <RomW> Which basically wasn't compatible with most OSS software

13:13 <RomW> force BOINC to roll its own infrastructure

13:14 <RomW> fast forward a year or two and things were already well under way for the 'BOINC' way of doing things

13:14 <RomW> We get to change out license to LGPL

13:15 <RomW> but everything is pretty much written

13:15 <PovAddict> I can't find the text of the BPL

13:15 <RomW> So it falls into the category of if it ain't broke, don't fix it

13:15 <RomW> relative to BOINC

13:15 <RomW> Its on the source tree

13:15 <RomW> go way back

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13:16 <RomW> basically the restriction was BOINC shall not be used in any commercial capacity

13:17 <RomW> If you were a for profit company you couldn't use BOINC

13:17 <RomW> UD was trying to protect their market and relationship with IBM

13:18 <PovAddict> I'm "way back" and there's no COPYING file

13:18 <RomW> Read the header of one of the source files

13:18 <PovAddict> there are references to http://boinc.berkeley.edu/license_1.0.txt (404) and trunk/boinc/doc/license_1.0.txt doesn't exist (even in old revs)

13:18 <RomW> hmmmm

13:19 <PovAddict> found it! was added in a later rev than I was looking

13:19 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/trunk/boinc/doc/license_1.0.txt?rev=1405

13:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfhhe98> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

13:20 <RomW> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/tags/boinc_core_release_2_28_2/boinc/doc/license_1.0.txt

13:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yz5o49k> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

13:21 <PovAddict> IANAL and haven't even read it yet, but wouldn't it be compatible with BSD/MIT licenses? (although of course quite incompatible with (L)GPL)

13:22 <Tank_Master> whats new in 6.10.32?

13:22 <RomW> Maybe, but the basic gist of it is that David became gun shy of any potiential IP issues with software until after we could standardize on a known OSS license

13:22 <RomW> CPU/GPU scheiler fixes

13:23 <RomW> Scheduler

13:23 <RomW> Backup-project support implemented

13:24 <Tank_Master> back-up project?

13:24 <RomW> Monitoring non-BOINC related processes, if the combined CPU util exceeds the configured threshold BOINC suspends work

13:24 <Tank_Master> as in itl only ask for work then another prject doent have any?

13:24 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: only gets work if the other projects are dry

13:24 <RomW> yup

13:24 <Tank_Master> sweet

13:24 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: just set resource share to 0

13:24 <Tank_Master> and how meny years now have we been wanting that? :D

13:24 <Tank_Master> i thought 1 was the min allowed resource share

13:25 <RomW> not anymore

13:25 <RomW> lol

13:25 * PovAddict smacks Tank_Master on Rom's behalf

13:25 <Tank_Master> :)

13:27 <Tank_Master> does it allow running non cpu tasks always?

13:27 <Tank_Master> that would be nice

13:27 <Tank_Master> suspend cpu and gpu, but non cpu still run

13:28 <RomW> @MTughan, the GUI RPCs fit the definition of a protocol, as all protocols are is a defined structure for passing information between to entities

13:29 <PovAddict> define "defined"

13:29 <RomW> lol, source code

13:29 <PovAddict> source code says how it works, not how it promises to stay working

13:31 <PovAddict> "the authentication nonce is the current timestamp, as seconds since the Unix epoch, with 6 digits after the decimal point" <- is that part of the protocol?

13:32 <RomW> sounds about right, since David favors floats over ints

13:32 <RomW> :)

13:32 <PovAddict> that's just what the client happens to send

13:32 <PovAddict> everything would still work if the nonce was a XML-safe piece of random data

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13:34 <PovAddict> a protocol spec doesn't say what A will send, but what B can rely on A sending

13:35 <PovAddict> if I make a core client that sends a non-number as nonce, is it following the protocol? if I make a GUI that relies on the nonce being a number, is it following the protocol? none of that can be answered by reading the current code

13:36 <RomW> Okay, look at it from a different angle, how often has the chunk of code been changed after implementation?

13:37 <desti> http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/pr2-beta-program/cfp

13:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/y8jn2re> (at www.willowgarage.com)

13:37 <PovAddict> if I'm writing a GUI RPC library, how can I tell if the command I just sent isn't supported by the client?

13:38 <RomW> you'll get back:

13:39 <RomW> <boinc_reply><error>unrecognized op: 'command'</error></boinc_reply>

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13:39 <RomW> where command is the rpc you attempted

13:39 <PovAddict> so I should check for /^unrecognized op: '.*'$/ inside an <error> tag?

13:40 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

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13:40 <RomW> I suppose that might be one way to do it

13:41 <RomW> I would have to go look though the regex docs to be certain

13:41 <PovAddict> that breaks on clients before around 6.2.18; see r15942 for one example of "how often has the chunk of code been changed after implementation?"

13:41 <PovAddict> the <error> didn't use to include the command in that situation

13:42 <RomW> IIRC the version number is included with the reply

13:42 <RomW> as well as the get_state RPC so the client software can figure out what to do with the changes in protocol

13:42 <PovAddict> there's no spec saying whether GUI RPC clients can or cannot rely on the human-readable text in <error>

13:43 <PovAddict> that's the point

13:44 <PovAddict> HTTP says a reply like "HTTP/1.1 404 sorry I couldn't find that" is valid, and an HTTP client MUST NOT try to parse the text following the error code; which lets servers change what they send there without breaking clients

13:45 <RomW> I understand what you are saying

13:46 <RomW> however, i don't see the MO changing for awhile

13:46 <PovAddict> and if a client breaks, you can tell from the spec whose fault it is ;)

13:47 <RomW> if something breaks, and the same parties are responsible for both sides of the equation, does it really matter?

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13:48 <PovAddict> so it's an internal-use protocol?

13:48 <PovAddict> there are many 3rd party GUIs

13:48 <RomW> yeah, and when we are informed we broke something, we tend to fix it

13:50 <RomW> So regardless of whether it is documented as well as the HTTP spec or not, when a break happens, we fix it, as the fault is ours

13:51 <PovAddict> a while ago I searched for 3rd party BOINC GUIs

13:51 <PovAddict> looked at their source, or looked for relevant strings with a hex editor

13:52 <PovAddict> BOINCView, BOINCSpy, KBoincSpy use their own code for GUI RPCs

13:53 <RomW> yup

13:53 <RomW> becuase they use a different language than C/C++

13:53 <PovAddict> KBoincSpy is C++

13:55 <PovAddict> I even found two that don't use the GUI RPCs

13:55 <PovAddict> parse client_state.xml instead

13:55 <RomW> hold on, on phone

13:56 <PovAddict> I'm *supposed* to be busy doing something else, too...

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15:09 <yomshleeshee> yoyo[RKN]: ping

15:11 <yoyo[RKN]> !

15:11 <yomshleeshee> hey

15:12 <yomshleeshee> I saw you emailed the boinc mailing list asking how to get the total FLOP count for the project

15:12 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

15:12 <yomshleeshee> did you get a response or figure it out? I'd like to do that too.

15:12 <yoyo[RKN]> no anwser

15:12 <yomshleeshee> Summing the credits is easy, but it's not a linear function of FLOPS

15:12 <yomshleeshee> bummer

15:13 <yoyo[RKN]> better summing the rac

15:13 <yomshleeshee> "yoyo[RKN]: no anwser" maybe because you can't

15:14 <yomshleeshee> since it's non-linear with FLOP

15:16 <yomshleeshee> Oh, well. no big deal for me, I was just curious.

15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> on the right side is something http://boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de/boincsimap/server_status.php

15:21 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2bc762> (at boinc.bio.wzw.tum.de)

15:22 <yomshleeshee> ah

15:22 <yomshleeshee> "the sum of the benchmarked FLops/s of all hosts in the database"

15:22 <yomshleeshee> so use benchmarking to estimate based on claimed credit?

15:31 <PovAddict> there's no suuch thing as flops

15:37 <dizzie> flip flops :)

15:37 <dizzie> there is :)

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15:57 <xcamel> re-hi

16:04 <dizzie> Hello :)

16:07 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : but would be good to have a number on the home page to show the power

16:07 <PovAddict> I don't think that's objectively measurable

16:08 <yoyo[RKN]> subjective would be also ok ;)

16:08 <PovAddict> and you'd be drifting people's attention from the science yet more... say how many RNA sequences you processed, not how many CPU cycles you burned

16:09 <yoyo[RKN]> but we must somehow compare it with the computing possibilities a scientiest or university has currently outside Boinc

16:09 <yoyo[RKN]> e.g. boincstats shows flops

16:11 <PovAddict> it can be calculated based on workunit runtimes and the benchmarks of the host that ran that WU

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16:26 <CoderForLife> evening

16:26 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

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16:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of snow...sleet and freezing rain after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 6:00 PM EST on February 06, 2010;

16:26 <CoderForLife> Friday is looking phun

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16:31 <CoderForLife> looking like 3 to 7 inches across this area Friday into Saturday

16:41 <xcamel> 'lo Don

16:43 <RomW> @yoyo, I think BOINC Stats has some way of exporting the flop rating

16:43 <RomW> IIRC it is supposed to be Total daily RAC/100

16:45 <yoyo[RKN]> ok

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17:25 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:29 <Tank_Master> wb

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17:46 <CoderForLife> re-ouch

17:47 <CoderForLife> I walked into my office and the PC was rebooting - W7 blue screen, apparently

17:47 <CoderForLife> this is about the 3rd time

17:48 <CoderForLife> hmm - ever since my UPS quit

17:48 <wdsmia> its a feature

17:49 <xcamel> and they're sticking to it..

17:53 <CoderForLife> gee, glad I thought of that for W7

17:53 <CoderForLife> it was my idea

18:03 * CoderForLife kicks his Windows 7 Utimate install DVD around the room

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18:28 * dizzie gently passes CoderForLife some coffee and a Linux install CD :)

18:30 <CoderForLife> I have Linux lots of places, unfortunately it's a little difficult to do Windows development on Linux

18:30 <Tank_Master> ahh, good thinkin, can use the linux cd as a coaster so the deask doesnt get all messy

18:31 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I have done it before

18:31 <PovAddict> Tank_Master then ran the program I wrote :P

18:31 <Tank_Master> ?

18:31 <CoderForLife> I wouldn't bet my meals on it

18:32 <PovAddict> sure :P

18:32 <CoderForLife> actually - my retirement would be more accurate

18:32 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: connected to BOINC via GUI RPC, got state, and sent me it

18:32 <PovAddict> I sent you the program so I could see what the state looked like on a BOINC version I didn't have, and with GPU

18:33 <Tank_Master> huh?

18:33 <Tank_Master> when was this?

18:33 <PovAddict> was a while ago :P

18:33 <dizzie> I'd rather amputate both arms than lower myself to use Windows (hehe just saying) besides CoderForLife you CAN develop for Windows just fine in Linux, ever heard of a cross compiler ;-)

18:33 <dizzie> Hi btw :)

18:33 <PovAddict> that's what I did

18:33 <PovAddict> tested with wine

18:33 <CoderForLife> cross-compilers make me cross

18:34 <dizzie> Besides .net (latest) and mono runs fine on my Linux system :)

18:35 <PovAddict> that too

18:35 <Tank_Master> .net 4.0?

18:35 <PovAddict> I have only written ~200 lines of C# in my life, and it didn't involve Windows

18:35 <dizzie> C.sharp is evil :)

18:36 <PovAddict> dizzie: it was for a good cause

18:36 <dizzie> I have no doubt, i am just too stupid to understand C# :P

18:36 <PovAddict> showing somebody that he could write .NET code to talk to a BOINC server *without* getting WSDL/webservices involved

18:36 <dizzie> We're coding in QBX atm :P

18:38 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: june 2009

18:38 <Tank_Master> that was a while ago

18:41 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d57d93393

18:41 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

18:47 <RomW> C# is just like any scriptable language... lol

18:47 <RomW> or script like language

18:47 <Tank_Master> cept its sharper looking

18:48 <RomW> lol

18:48 <PovAddict> heh

18:48 <PovAddict> someone asked how to create workunits from C# via SOAP

18:48 <Tank_Master> o0

18:49 <RomW> thats a bit more work

18:49 <PovAddict> I tried making a SOAP endpoint in PHP that ran bin/create_work

18:49 <PovAddict> after looking at WSDL I decided to give up and put SOAP/webservices in my "do not touch again" list

18:50 <RomW> lol

18:50 <RomW> it isn't so bad if you have a backend infrastructure built around it...

18:50 <PovAddict> then, having zero past experience with C#, I wrote a C# program to do a good old XML-over-POST, and a matching PHP script

18:51 <RomW> in .NET you can designate a class description as an endpoint...  Then get the .Net framework to automatically generate the WSDL for it via reflection

18:53 <RomW> You document the WSDL interface via the same xmldoc method description infrstructure just via the auto documentation tools themselves

18:53 <RomW> overall its pretty slick

18:54 <PovAddict> it seems kinda backwards to me (generate the "protocol" based on the API instead of other way around), but either way, I wasn't interested in looking at the .NET side of web services

18:55 <PovAddict> he said he knew that part already

18:56 <PovAddict> if I had got the webservice endpoint working in PHP, I wouldn't have looked at .NET at all

18:59 <RomW> Well hopefully we'll see a bunch of project level projects rolled into the main BOINC project for doing stuff like that

18:59 <PovAddict> mine was just sample code

18:59 <RomW> Apparently GPUGrid has a bunch of stuff they have completed work on for controlling that kind of stuff

18:59 <PovAddict> and the XML being sent was "domain-specific"

19:00 <PovAddict> it didn't send data like input files, command line parameters, estimated flops, etc.

19:01 <PovAddict> it only sent WU name, random seed and the amount of numbers to test (which is specific to the hypothetical science app)

19:04 <PovAddict> the "server side" (PHP) took care of converting those parameters into a command line, and adjusting the estimated flops to those parameters

19:06 <PovAddict> the server returned a WU ID back to the C# app, in theory so it can then keep track of progress

19:06 <PovAddict> but I didn't write anything to get the progress :)

19:10 <quail> &wx roseworthy ag college

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19:11 <xcamel> 'lo Q

19:11 <quail> xcamel: hi, how are you?

19:12 <quail> xcamel: you might like this => http://projecthorus.org/

19:12 <Romulus> Title: Project Horus (at projecthorus.org)

19:23 <xcamel> interesting...

19:32 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

19:32 <CoderForLife> ah, better

19:32 <wdsmia> &wx dsm

19:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25F / -4C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Not as cold. Low 15 to 20. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Cloudy. A 20 percent chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. Warmer. High in the mid 30s. Southeast (1 more message)

19:32 <wdsmia> &more

19:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind around 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Cloudy. A slight chance of snow through midnight... then snow after midnight. Snow accumulation around 1 inch. Low in the mid 20s. East wind around 10 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.;

19:33 * CoderForLife aims the ACME snow deflector westward

19:33 <xcamel> looks like that latest storm is going to miss too.

19:33 <quail> CoderForLife: hi Don, how are things?

19:34 <CoderForLife> my wx guy tweeted "3-7 inches of snow likely, heaviest north."

19:34 <CoderForLife> he was saying 5 to 9 earlier in the day, but the storm changed it's track

19:35 <CoderForLife> hey quail

19:35 <CoderForLife> I'm doing OK 'cos I'm Coding

19:36 <CoderForLife> just came back upstairs after exercising

19:37 <quail> ah cool, I have been coding abit last month too, but only in bash tho

19:41 <CoderForLife> that still Counts as Coding in my book

19:42 <xcamel> back to having virtually no snow, and not all that cold.

19:42 <CoderForLife> it was quite nice yesterday

19:42 <CoderForLife> which reminds me

19:43 <CoderForLife> need to fill the bird feeders

19:43 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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19:47 <wdsmia> Iowa has seen a record 57 consecutive days with at least a 4 inch snow depth this year. The old record was 54 days set back in 1961-1962.

19:47 <dizzie> We have like 10" here, wanna come over ? :)

19:48 <xcamel> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/03/in-1790-philly-had-a-fever-today-not-so-much/

19:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ygtvvn6> (at wattsupwiththat.com)

19:48 <wdsmia> so far 42.6 inches of snow has fallen this season

19:48 <PovAddict> o.O

19:56 <quail> wdsmia: so we need to parachute into your place?

19:57 * wdsmia is sick of snow and ice

19:57 <CoderForLife> not snow - Goreflakes

19:58 <CoderForLife> of course, all that has been discredited now

19:58 <wdsmia> LOL http://www.kcci.com/news/22425649/detail.html

19:58 <Romulus> Title: Schwarzenegger Slams Iowa In Speech - Des Moines News Story - KCCI Des Moines (at www.kcci.com)

20:05 * quail take it wdsmia using snowmobil to get to and throw from work atm

20:06 <quail> http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/iinet-slays-hollywood-in-landmark-piracy-case-20100204-ndwr.html

20:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/y9puvds> (at www.theage.com.au)

20:08 <wdsmia> @quail thats why we drive big 4 x 4's

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20:14 <wdsmia> the snow's not the problem... its the ice thats the killer

20:39 <CoderForLife> indeed

20:41 <CoderForLife> I guess to Arnold, Iowa and Ohio are just four-letter words

21:06 <quail> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13113156@N02/4329337076/

21:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yfbbyu4> (at www.flickr.com)

21:18 <CoderForLife> gn

21:19 <PovAddict> ditto

21:28 <quail> nn Don

21:37 <quail> &wx roseworthy ag college

21:37 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 85.1F / 29.5C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 29.09in / 985.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Unknown. High:73 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:66 F.; Overcast. High:80 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F.; Clear. High:78 F.; Clear. Low:53 F.;

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