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00:12 <abumaia> I am running the 32bit version of Ubuntu 9.10, on a Core2 Duo system with 2.9G RAM. Would I be well-served to switch to the 64bit version, since I run BOINC nearly 24/7?
00:45 <abumaia> well, I suppose everyone must be asleep. I'll ask again later once somebody manages to find a cup of coffee.
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01:38 <Tank_Master> abumaia, i dont think it would hurt any by switching
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05:15 <proton23> PovAddict: now I know: APP_INIT_DATA contains it all :)
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06:16 <wdsmia> &wx dsm
06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines International, IA; Temperature: 20°F / -7°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy in the morning then clearing. High in the upper 20s. Northwest wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph; Tonight - Mostly clear. Colder. Low zero to 5 above. Northwest (1 more message)
06:16 <wdsmia> &more
06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 10 to 15 mph; Wednesday - Sunny. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph
06:24 <hawmps> 'lo
06:29 <Tank_Master> hi
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06:51 <hawmps> &wx 12074
06:51 <Romulus> hawmps: Weather for Galway, NY; Temperature: 26.1°F / -3.3°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Periods of snow. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Highs in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely...mainly in the (1 more message)
06:51 <hawmps> &more
06:51 <Romulus> hawmps: evening. Total snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds around 10 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent; Wednesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph
06:51 <hawmps> hmmm...
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06:55 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
06:56 * KathrynM waves
06:56 <yoyo[RKN]> for 1 wu I have 3 results completed in the mysql, all 3 are waiting for validation. Why they are not cached by the validator?
06:57 <yoyo[RKN]> what is the condition for the validator to validate them?
06:57 <yoyo[RKN]> example: http://www.rnaworld.de/rnaworld/workunit.php?wuid=145514
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08:05 <proton23> yoyo[RKN]: There is a function compare_results() in the validator, which does the magic
08:06 <proton23> but in the example it returns NULL anyway so
08:06 <proton23> I guess it's no reason there to stop
08:07 <proton23> which project are you chrunching on?
08:11 <yoyo[RKN]> I know the inside of the validator. It's my own project www.rnaworld.de. The question is why the validator do not un for this workunit
08:12 <yoyo[RKN]> I think the validator depends on workunit.trans_time, which is in the future for above example.
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09:12 <Romulus> Title: By The Numbers: Winter In Iowa - Video - KCCI Des Moines (at www.kcci.com)
09:40 <proton23> yoyo[RKN]: How come it's in the future?
09:45 <yoyo[RKN]> that is the question
10:05 <proton23> yoyo[RKN]: where is the transition_time computed?
10:08 <proton23> yoyo[RKN]: I took a look at this http://www.boinc-wiki.info/The_Logic_of_Backend_Programs
10:08 <Romulus> Title: The Logic of Backend Programs - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at www.boinc-wiki.info)
10:08 <proton23> don't know what the Transitioner is for
10:31 <proton23> yoyo[RKN]: Where do you see the transition_time is in the future?
10:36 <yoyo[RKN]> in the workunit table
10:50 <hawmps> mmm...snow
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11:39 <Tank_Master> snow?!?! where?
11:39 * Tank_Master sees no snow
12:12 <hawmps> here snow now.
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12:45 <abumaia> ah, people are awake....
12:46 <abumaia> I am running the 32bit version of Ubuntu 9.10, on a Core2 Duo system with 2.9G RAM. Would I be well-served to switch to the 64bit version, since I run BOINC nearly 24/7?
12:52 <PovAddict> running 32-bit OS on 64-bit CPU = driving with the handbrake on
12:52 <miha> PovAddict does it matter? :D
12:52 * miha 32 bit ubuntu 9.10 on core2 too
12:55 <abumaia> or could I just run the 64bit version of BOINC?
12:55 <PovAddict> you can't run any 64-bit program on a 32-bit OS
12:58 <abumaia> do you think I'll see a definite performance boost, or not so much?
12:59 <PovAddict> it depends on the project
12:59 <PovAddict> I mean *really* depends
12:59 <PovAddict> some projects don't have 64-bit apps, so they'll just run the 32-bit app and there will be no performance difference
12:59 <PovAddict> some projects have a 64-bit app and it's 2% faster
12:59 <abumaia> seti, rosetta, docking, cpdn
12:59 <PovAddict> some projects have a 64-bit app and it's *three times* faster than 32-bit
13:01 <abumaia> so I should check each of them out, see what their 64bit stats are before committing
13:01 <PovAddict> what is sure is that going 64-bit won't make anything slower :P
13:01 <PovAddict> some programs may use a bit more RAM, but that's it
13:02 <abumaia> some people were saying to not use 64 unless you have more than 4g of ram
13:03 <Tank_Master> theres no harm that i have seen from running 64bit on systems with less than 4GB ram
13:04 <PovAddict> abumaia: not quite...
13:04 <PovAddict> if you have more than 4G of ram, you *need* 64-bit
13:04 <PovAddict> if you have less than 4G of ram, 64-bit is probably still good
13:04 <Tank_Master> hoever, if you have more than 3GB, then yes, you must have a 64bit OS to see all 4
13:05 <Tank_Master> a 32bit OS will typically see only up to 3.2-3.3GB of ram
13:05 <PovAddict> I think individual apps on 32-bit Windows can only see 2GB
13:06 <Tank_Master> yeah
13:06 <Tank_Master> but is that limited to just windows?
13:06 <Tank_Master> i thought that was a hardware limitation
13:06 <Tank_Master> but im not positive on that
13:07 <PovAddict> it's limited to Windows; in fact, you can even configure Windows to allow 3GB instead
13:07 <Tank_Master> i knew that last part
13:08 <Tank_Master> though the app itself needs to also support that configuration in order to not crash
13:08 <Tank_Master> when going above 2GB
13:16 <abumaia> well, I checked the projects, seti is down for the moment, rosetta and docking don't have 64bit native apps, cpdn probably does, but it looks like not enough do to justifiy the switch
13:21 <abumaia> ah, cpdn runs 32 on 64, like rosetta and docking. only one I'm not sure on is seti
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13:31 <Tank_Master> ABC has a native 64bit app
13:31 <Tank_Master> as does primgrid
13:31 <Tank_Master> and aqua
13:33 <Tank_Master> i cant recall any others right off with a native 64bit app
13:33 <PovAddict> ABC is the one with most speedup afaik
13:33 <Tank_Master> primgrid has at least one app that is similer
13:34 <Tank_Master> but 64bit aqua has the highest credit per day of all of them
13:34 <Tank_Master> oh, right, collatz and milkway do as well
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13:46 <Tank_Master> huh, aqua has some of the 256 WUs out finally
13:46 <Tank_Master> 70h to complete 1 WU on an i7 :P
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14:28 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi
14:28 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAddict : &ping
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17:20 <wdsmia> re-hi
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17:36 <xcamel> 'lo
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18:10 <quail> &wx roseworthy ag college
18:10 <Romulus> quail: Weather for Roseworthy Ag College, SA; Temperature: 79.9°F / 26.6°C | Humidity: 32% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4.9mph / 7.9km/h ; Tuesday - Conditions: Unknown. High: 75°F; Tuesday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 59°F; Wednesday - Conditions: Scattered Clouds. High: 91°F; Wednesday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 62°F; (1 more message)
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18:10 <Romulus> quail: Thursday - Conditions: Clear. High: 93°F; Thursday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 55°F
18:14 <xcamel> 'lo Q
18:15 <xcamel> &wx MMLP
18:15 <Romulus> xcamel: Weather for La Paz, ; Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Tuesday - Conditions: Clear. High: 80°F; Tuesday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 59°F; Wednesday - Conditions: Clear. High: 80°F; Wednesday Night - Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Low: 55°F; Thursday - (1 more message)
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18:15 <Romulus> xcamel: Conditions: Clear. High: 80°F; Thursday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 59°F
18:15 <xcamel> yeah, I could live with that..
18:17 <quail> xcamel: hey Jay, how are you?
18:17 <xcamel> good enough, mate
18:24 <PovAddict> rain made a *total* mess out of buenos aires
18:28 <xcamel> another city that "makes it's own gravy"
18:29 <PovAddict> there were underground car parkings with a meter or two of water
18:31 <xcamel> yeah, that would suck.
18:32 <PovAddict> there are a few areas that still have no electricity (over 24hs now)
19:55 <xcamel> laterz..
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22:18 <quail> &wx roseworthy ag college
22:18 <Romulus> quail: Weather for Roseworthy Ag College, SA; Temperature: 93.6°F / 34.2°C | Humidity: 19% | Pressure: 29.32in / 992.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 3.8mph / 6.1km/h ; Tuesday - Conditions: Unknown. High: 75°F; Tuesday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 59°F; Wednesday - Conditions: Scattered Clouds. High: 91°F; Wednesday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 62°F; (1 more message)
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22:18 <Romulus> quail: Thursday - Conditions: Clear. High: 93°F; Thursday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 55°F
22:29 <efc> moo Q
22:30 <PovAddict> I just spent half an hour to print 1 page
22:30 <quail> meep meep efc
22:30 <quail> does this look little sus to peeps => BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=1 <= that what in my laptop-mode.conf file, hdd on battery should be => BATT_HD_POWERMGMT=128 ?
22:30 <efc> Write faster, Pov
22:31 <PovAddict> refused to print my black-only document for lack of magenta ink
22:31 <efc> Been there, got screwed by that
22:31 <efc> Q: Don't really know what the numbers would mean
22:32 <PovAddict> so I changed the magenta cartridge (I buy in advance because I got screwed by that situation way too many times)
22:32 <PovAddict> and it seemed to be making fun of me
22:32 <PovAddict> I told it to print, it started blinking the power led (means "busy")
22:32 <PovAddict> moved the print head around a bit
22:32 <PovAddict> and went idle again
22:32 <efc> *BURP* need more money
22:32 <quail> o.0
22:33 <quail> efc: ditto
22:33 <quail> hehe
22:33 <PovAddict> so I gave up with network print
22:33 <PovAddict> saved as PDF and printed directly from the computer with the printer
22:34 <PovAddict> using a pendrive to transfer, because file sharing over LAN is also something that always works, except when it doesn't (= when you most need it)
22:34 <efc> our lexmark does that with the magenta, f'ing piece of junk
22:34 <PovAddict> Adobe also thought it was the *perfect* moment to ask me if i wanted to upgrade Acrobat Reader
22:35 <efc> $80 to replace the black cart, then it immediately runs out of magenta, wants another $80
22:35 <PovAddict> gee, *you think I'm in the mood for that?*
22:35 <efc> Its got two other colors carts too that I assume will run out. We don't know whether to blow $240 to make it work or not.
22:36 <efc> carts are only a 1k page yield
22:36 <PovAddict> 1k? that's a lot :p
22:36 <PovAddict> my printer is like my cellphone
22:36 <PovAddict> I rarely use it
22:36 <PovAddict> when I need it, it doesn't work
22:36 <efc> our old one was $200 for 15k pages.
22:36 <efc> These carts are simply boxes of toner, too.
22:37 <PovAddict> with my prepaid phone the problem is the expiration of credits
22:37 <PovAddict> you load money into it, and if you don't use it all in a month, whatever you have left goes "poof"
22:37 <efc> I might mention that it uses magenta even on B/W prints so you WILL run out eventually.
22:38 <PovAddict> and following Murphy's law, when I need to make a call, turns out it expired
22:39 <PovAddict> do laser printers have a better lifetime when idle?
22:39 <PovAddict> I assume the problem with inkjets is the ink dries up if you don't use the printer for weeks/months
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22:40 <PovAddict> or maybe an artificial "make user buy N cartridges per year" limitation :P
22:49 <efc> Yeah, lasers can sit idle a long time. Nothing dries out.
22:49 <PovAddict> I think my $/page goes up just because I don't print often
22:49 <PovAddict> so I get to print less pages before the printer starts complaining about ink
22:51 <efc> Just print out a test page once a week
22:52 <PovAddict> or I might just get a laser
23:12 <efc> i just tried printing on my inkjet
23:12 <efc> black has totally failed
23:12 <efc> its printed like two pages, last week
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