IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2010-03-24

00:17 <PovAddict> http://xkcd.com/718/

00:17 <Romulus> Title: xkcd: The Flake Equation (at xkcd.com)

00:28 <obiwan_> guys is there any _Really_ computers hungry project?

00:28 <obiwan_> i added 2 and no one needs help for hours

00:28 <PovAddict> which two?

00:28 <Romulus> Rumor has it which two are root, PovAddict

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04:24 <nots> hi

04:25 <nots> I wan't to start boinc on linux PC where no is not GUI

04:26 <nots> I't seems to be very hard

04:26 <nots> no info how to

04:27 <nots> --create_account URL email password name *?

04:28 <nots> what is URL there?=

04:35 <nots> so simple thing as entering account username and password is made so complex in command line

04:36 <nots> gui_rpc_auth.cfg no info what the hell one needs to edit there

04:36 <nots> and it's empty

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04:40 <nots> and debian installer has no dependency for schedtool

04:40 <nots> so I need to install it manually

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05:39 <nots> boinccmd --lookup_account gives me Error -214

05:39 <nots> with seti it works nice but error comes with worldcommunitygrid.org. Tried www.worldcommunitygrid.org and secure.worldcommunitygrid.org

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06:45 <obiwan_> hey gus what project really needs help?

06:45 <obiwan_> i added two and no one did take my cpu since i added them

07:01 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

07:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines, IA; Temperature: 46.4°F / 8.0°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain through mid morning. A chance of rain before noon...then a slight chance of rain in the afternoon. High in the lower 50s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 (1 more message)

07:01 <wdsmia> &more

07:01 <Romulus> wdsmia: mph. Chance of rain 50 percent; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of rain through midnight...then partly cloudy after midnight. Low in the upper 30s. North wind 5 to 15 mph; Thursday - Partly sunny. Breezy. High in the lower 50s. North wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 7: 00 PM CDT on March 26, 2010

07:59 <nots> I have added www.worldcommunitygrid.org but it's not doing anything. Firewall says it blocked traffic from IP 198.20.8.246 source port 80

07:59 <nots> that's strange network activity

08:00 <nots> it sends something but it's not recognised as established tcp session

08:01 <nots> and it does not show that my pc is in device list at www.worldcommunitygrid.org. setiathome.berkeley.edu works fine

08:02 <nots> and I have global pereference <cpu_scheduling_period_minutes>15</cpu_scheduling_period_minutes>, so it should switch between projects every 15 minutes according to this page: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/PrefsOverride

08:02 <Romulus> Title: PrefsOverride - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

08:06 <nots> boinccmd --lookup_account  error -214 solved, wcg needs user id instead of email address

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08:35 <obiwan_> please guys could you tell me a high activity project?

08:35 <desti> seti, einstein, climate

08:36 <obiwan_> i want to try if my client works cause till now it hasn't worked in any project. i think the notifications are right (there's no current work) , but want to make sure trying some project which asks me to work

08:36 <obiwan_> right

08:46 <obiwan_> i don't feel like making an account for those projects, is it secure to share accounts? if so could anybody tell me one user/pass for one?

08:46 <obiwan_> it'd be for just a little time to test

09:01 <nots> as I read you only need one account for some projects

09:01 <nots> "f you're running a command-line or pre-5.0 version of BOINC, create an account first. "

09:02 <nots> so 5.0 and up can share account

09:08 <nots> I believe it has something to do with account manager http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Account_managers

09:08 <Romulus> Title: Account managers - BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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09:53 <obiwan_> 7sry guys my connection droped

09:53 <obiwan_> nots: i got 6.4.5

09:58 <obiwan_> so they aren't shared

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10:00 <nots> 6 is bigger than 5

10:01 <nots> I registered account on http://boincstats.com/bam, it found my computer but no projects are listed on my computer

10:02 <nots> I selected projects and attached to pc on bam web page

10:02 <nots> but this cli stuff is awful

10:04 <obiwan_> guys anybody uses ubuntu here?

10:05 <obiwan_> whenever boinc opens a browser it uses links2 instead of firefox or chromium

10:05 <obiwan_> does it behaves the same 4 your?

10:06 <obiwan_> my preferred browser is set as firefox, so i dont get it

10:06 <nots> ps axf | grep links maybe shows something

10:07 <nots> it may run some wrapper program that starts browser

10:07 <nots> like editor is mostly symlink to some editor

10:10 <obiwan_> nots i solved it partially exporting BROWSER=firefox and running boincmgr in that terminal

10:10 <obiwan_> but i dont get why boinc open links2, all the other apps open my preferred browser which is set as firefox

10:11 <obiwan_> i'll update alternatives maybe that way it works

10:17 <obiwan_> alright solved it was an alternatives issue hehe

10:22 <obiwan_> alright, at least i'm helping at seti now, wow, it's amazing to help finding ufo's and stuff lol hahah ^__^

10:26 <nots> I got seti working too but boincstats.com is still problematic

10:26 <obiwan_> well, as long as it works i don't care stats hehe

10:26 <nots> Account manager: Wrong URL used! The correct URL to attach to is http://bam.boincstats.com/

10:27 <nots> and using that url it says wrong xml

10:27 <obiwan_> ^_^

10:27 <nots> I don't care too but it seems account manager helps to join projects

10:31 <obiwan_> well, it doesn't help too much hehe

10:31 <obiwan_> ok lunchtime hehe cu

10:38 <obiwan_> oh my lol my script alarm started crying with my cpu at 85 celsius, both cores at 100% haha

10:39 <obiwan_> i see there's a preference for using % of the cores in a multiprocessor system, but i guess that refers to %(cpus)=X cpus, it doesn't talk about % of use in each core. Is there any way to limit this?

10:40 <obiwan_> i readlly do need to limit it, the only way i can think of is with nice , but it'd be nice if theres a native way to do it in the boincmgr app

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11:23 <obiwan_> great cpulimit works perfect, just in case anybody needs to limit their cpu usage, just cpu -p pid -l %

11:24 <obiwan_> i mean, *cpulimit -p pid -l % hehe

11:27 <nots> obiwan_: look <cpu_usage_limit> in global_prefs_override.xml

11:27 <nots> I set it to 30 on 1 core cpu and it consumes 30% cpu. there is setting for how many cpu cores to use too

11:36 <obiwan_> yeah that cpu cores is in preferences of boincmgr nots but the % isn't there.

11:39 <obiwan_> i changed it there too hehe

11:39 <obiwan_> thanks nots

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12:54 <obiwan_> hey guys i'm wondering this

12:55 <obiwan_> what if a crazy guy decides to send false results?

12:56 <obiwan_> i know it's crazy , but maybe some guy thinks medicine is bad and tries to boycott the calculus

13:13 <nots> well, I believe if someone sends that he found ufo while calculation seti project, then seti would recalculate

13:13 <nots> don't know about medicine

13:14 <nots> maybe they let do each job on more than 1 device and do something about mismatch in checksum etc

13:14 <nots> what a waste would be

13:17 <nots> I just discovered my Sempron 3000+ 1.6GHz cpu uses only 35W energy

13:18 <nots> I may be give it some more % cpu use :)

13:19 <nots> bad that I can't set cpu usage based on time. I have cheaper electricity at night and it's colder outside where my PC is

13:20 <nots> lets say 30% cpu usage at day and 70% at night

13:24 <PovAddict> the preferences are already way too complex

13:24 <nots> bad that boinc has no ncurses command line client, like rtorrent. I had to connect with boinc gui manager from other host, cli didn't do what I needed

13:25 <nots> PovAddict: I wouldn't say that. It seems there is no way of controlling gpu. I don't want it to stress too much

13:25 <PovAddict> you can control almost everything with boinccmd, but the interface manages to be non-user-friendly *and* hard to use from scripts at the same time

13:26 <nots> well, I had even hard time to attaching to account manager

13:27 <nots> in gui, it just worked

13:27 <PovAddict> boinccmd feels like a test tool for the client-control protocol and library

13:28 <nots> and in gui there is "Syncronize with BOINCstat BAM!", didn't find in cmd

13:29 <nots> there is some kind of rpc api?

13:29 <PovAddict> yeah, you'd have to read the source code to understand how the account manager stuff works in boinccmd :/

13:31 <nots> hm, why it downloads slide*.png files?

13:32 <nots> can I skip that net traffic somehow? It seems these are just project info for me

13:33 <PovAddict> how big are those files?

13:34 <nots> don't know, maybe some tens of KB

13:34 <nots> not much

13:34 <PovAddict> they are downloaded just once, unless the project changes them in the future

13:34 <PovAddict> not for every task

13:35 <nots> ok

13:36 <PovAddict> but please keep complaining :) I'm interested in seeing all those minor details from the point of view of a new user

13:42 <nots> maybe tomorrow, I'm going to watch stargate sg1 now

13:42 <nots> :)

13:51 <PovAddict> :)

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14:49 <obiwan_> yeah nots i guess they duplicate work, what a waste of time hehe

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14:58 <PovAddict> obiwan_: do you have any better way?

14:59 <PovAddict> nots: you can't share accounts between projects

15:00 <PovAddict> nots: an account manager just automates the task of creating accounts on every project

15:05 <obiwan_> of course i don't have PovAddict

15:06 <obiwan_> well PovAddict maybe some ind of secure connection?

15:06 <obiwan_> some kind of protected sandbox or something, but anyway , if you know enough i guess you cna hack it

15:07 <PovAddict> you can't make a sandbox that doesn't let the *computer owner* access data

15:07 <obiwan_> why?

15:07 <PovAddict> (DRM makers would like that)

15:07 <PovAddict> it's my computer and I'll do what the hell I want with it

15:07 <obiwan_> you can always stop the computing

15:08 <PovAddict> I thought we were talking about intentionally sending bad results

15:08 <obiwan_> that's it PovAddict

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15:09 <PovAddict> I could always write a client from scratch that sends the bad results using the right protocol

15:09 <PovAddict> then whatever special measures you put in the BOINC client are useless, because I'm not using the BOINC client

15:13 <obiwan_> so they need to test

15:14 <obiwan_> i mean,  they need to compare to match to another file computed by another host

15:14 <PovAddict> yep

15:14 <PovAddict> sometimes it's possible to check if the result is correct

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15:15 <PovAddict> for example, imagine a project that is trying to crack a password from its md5 hash

15:15 <PovAddict> (there aren't any such projects, but hashing is a good example for this)

15:16 <PovAddict> the project app would have to hash all combinations of letters until it finds one that matches the original

15:16 <PovAddict> but if a client claims it found the answer, the server can very quickly check if it's correct

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17:21 <wdsmia> re-hi

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19:48 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:48 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines, IA; Temperature: 47.9°F / 8.8°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of very light rain through midnight...then partly cloudy after midnight. Low in the upper 30s. North wind near 15 mph; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Breezy. (1 more message)

19:49 <wdsmia> &more

19:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: High in the lower 50s. North wind 10 to 20 mph; Thursday Night - Mostly clear. Low in the upper 20s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the east after midnight; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 5: 00 PM CDT on March 26, 2010

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20:08 <CoderForLife> evening

20:08 <CoderForLife> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36021551/ns/technology_and_science-science/

20:08 <Romulus> Title: Light bends matter, surprising scientists - LiveScience- msnbc.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)

20:08 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

20:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Weather for Loveland, OH; Temperature: 59.5°F / 15.3°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.66in / 1004.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent; Thursday - (1 more message)

20:09 <CoderForLife> &more

20:09 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Widespread rain. Highs in the mid 50s. South winds around 5 mph...increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent; Thursday Night - Rain in the evening...then rain with snow likely after midnight. Snow accumulation less than an inch. Much cooler with lows around 30. North winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent

20:09 <CoderForLife> snow??!??

20:09 <Romulus> snow is fun, CoderForLife

20:09 * CoderForLife tasers Rommie

20:09 <wdsmia> lol

20:10 <CoderForLife> smart-aleck tin can...

20:10 <PovAddict> heh check this one

20:10 <PovAddict> vacation?

20:10 <Romulus> Somebody said vacation is when most w/*- is done, PovAddict

20:11 <CoderForLife> I think I subscribe to that one

20:11 <PovAddict> boinc?

20:11 <Romulus> It has been said that boinc is in a debian server, desk is gentoo, PovAddict

20:11 <PovAddict> that's pretty random

20:11 <CoderForLife> PovAddict?

20:11 <PovAddict> CoderForLife?

20:11 <Romulus> It has been said that CoderForLife is w@#%ing at home today or suspicious about FTP. I cannot establish a connection to lledgerock.com to attempt an FTP session. The port is open - no one is home, PovAddict

20:11 <CoderForLife> heh

20:12 <CoderForLife> still recovering from the taser

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20:32 <50UAAG17E> hm, not kicked

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20:33 <CoderForLife> wb wdsmia

20:33 <wdsmia> put that taser away

20:34 <CoderForLife> it's not loaded - here's the clip

20:45 <CoderForLife> gn all

20:46 <wdsmia> cya Don

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