IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2010-04-05

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01:11 <zombie67> pov?

01:11 <zombie67> povaddict

01:11 <zombie67> ping

01:11 <PovAddict> meh

01:11 <zombie67> hi

01:11 <PovAddict> sup

01:11 <zombie67> does HR exist for GPUs?

01:12 <zombie67>

01:12 <Romulus> <> (at

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01:13 <PovAddict> no

01:13 <PovAddict> I think you can't even use CPU HR along with GPU apps

01:13 <zombie67> heh, this is going to get interesting

01:13 <PovAddict> because you end up with things like

01:13 <zombie67> And Crunch3r just threw chaos into the work MW has been doing since 58xx were released

01:14 <PovAddict> if you enable HR, a GPU-processed result from a computer having an AMD CPU and an ATI 4800 will not get validated against a computer with an Intel CPU and an identical GPU

01:14 <zombie67> ouch!

01:14 <PovAddict> because the CPUs differ

01:15 <Tank_Master> man, youd only be able to validate againce soemoen with the same OS, CPU AND GPU...

01:15 <zombie67> anyone bring any of this up with DA?

01:15 <PovAddict> (but the task was processed with the GPU)

01:15 <Tank_Master> would DA listen?

01:15 <zombie67> doubtful

01:15 <zombie67> but I am just curious if he is even aware

01:15 <PovAddict> well, I *think* the HR stuff is customizable enough to allow "easily" changing the "is computer equivalent" test to check for GPU

01:17 <zombie67> so...yes?

01:17 <zombie67> HR is possible?

01:17 <PovAddict> maybe, I haven't tried it :)

01:17 <PovAddict> I haven't even used HR myself

01:19 <zombie67> heh

01:19 <zombie67> BURP is now in "BETA" and sending out a small bit of work again

01:20 <zombie67> I *still* don't understand the difference between BURP and ORE

01:21 <zombie67> pov, how is your dad doing?  Still employed by Sun/Oracle?

01:22 <PovAddict> yeah

01:22 <zombie67> good

01:22 <zombie67> me too

01:23 <PovAddict> Oracle managers ask for information, and it must be ready for "today afternoon"

01:23 <zombie67> they are very hard core, compared to Sun

01:23 <PovAddict> then they ask Oracle managers for information, and they reply it'll be available "next week"

01:23 <zombie67> everything is about "...and how does that make Oracle money?"

01:23 <PovAddict> asymmetric relationship

01:24 <PovAddict> yeah

01:24 <zombie67> free/open stuff will not last long

01:24 <PovAddict> a friend had a project hosted on

01:25 <PovAddict> shortly afterwards, Oracle killed it

01:25 <zombie67> i don't hold that attitude against them, that is why they are profitable, and are able to employ people

01:25 <zombie67> RL is hard

01:25 <PovAddict> well there's a reason Sun was in trouble :)

01:25 <zombie67> heh

01:25 <Tank_Master> :P

01:26 <zombie67> open solaris, vmware, java....all free

01:26 <efc> moop

01:26 <Tank_Master> free moop?

01:26 * Tank_Master cleans his floors

01:26 <PovAddict> java being free is a good idea, solaris I doubt it

01:26 <zombie67> there is no such thing as a free lunch

01:27 <PovAddict> spending zillions in java course discounts... eh

01:27 <zombie67> it is poor business to not have made money off of java

01:27 <efc> they sold a lot of hardware with it

01:27 <efc> i think

01:27 <zombie67> meh, not really

01:27 <efc> but they had no lock-in

01:27 <zombie67> reamember, java is HW neutral

01:28 <efc> If they didn't have the best VM on the planet, thats their fault

01:28 <zombie67> OSX sold lots of HW, not java

01:28 <zombie67> anyway, it's all history now

01:28 <zombie67> funny story

01:29 <zombie67> anyone familiar with BEA (middleware company)?

01:29 <PovAddict> heh

01:29 <PovAddict> going to and searching for Java course catalog takes you to

01:29 <zombie67> know what BEA stands for?

01:30 <PovAddict> I have seen the name before

01:30 <PovAddict> that's it

01:31 <zombie67> Very big SW company.  Stands for Bill, Ed, Alfred

01:31 <zombie67> founders, all ex-Sun

01:31 <zombie67> Ed, is my step dad

01:31 <PovAddict> :o

01:31 <zombie67> bought by Oracle a few yeas ago

01:32 <zombie67> now Sun, the company I work for, bought by oracle

01:32 <zombie67> so I kinda work for my step-dad's comapny

01:32 <zombie67> small valley

01:33 <zombie67> In January 2008, BEA Systems closed out its fiscal year 2008 with $1.535bn in revenues, 10% higher than the previous year.

01:33 <zombie67> gives you an idea of BEA's size

01:34 <zombie67> he and my mom got married when I was already an adult, so it's all coincidence.

01:35 <zombie67> end of funny story

01:39 <zombie67> I didn't know this:  In 1998, BEA acquired the San Francisco start-up WebLogic, which had built the first standards-based Java application server. WebLogic's application server became the impetus for the Sun Microsystems' J2EE specification and formed the basis of BEA's WebLogic application server sold today.

01:39 <zombie67> damn small valley

01:40 <efc> I never got into all that J2EE, application server stuff

01:40 <efc> They seem to be the real moneymakers

01:40 <PovAddict> efc: the problem is that most people don't need all that complexity

01:41 <PovAddict> and any documentation, course, tutorial, etc. tells you how to use it, not why you need it

01:42 <PovAddict> you have to build the application the simple way, fail, and realize you need suchandsuch architecture around it

01:42 <PovAddict> someone at Sun did that

01:42 <PovAddict> several times

01:42 <PovAddict> and the result was J2EE

01:42 <PovAddict> but other people who didn't try and fail in the same way won't get the point

01:43 <PovAddict> I think that applies to any education; you have to show the problem first

01:43 <zombie67> RCCA

01:44 <zombie67> Root cause, corrective action

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02:09 <zombie67> I love this episode!

02:09 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Richard Hammond drives F1 Renault R25 car at Silverstone - Top Gear - BBC Autos (at

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02:29 <quail> project cantenna is online =>

02:30 <Romulus> <> (at

02:30 <Tank_Master> ?

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02:30 <Tank_Master> ah, hahah can antenna :D

02:30 <quail> I finished my cantenna today

02:30 <Tank_Master> nice

02:30 <Tank_Master> hyjacking your neighbor's wierless? :P

02:33 <quail> haha

02:34 <quail> nah, it just for tracking when it town

02:34 <Tank_Master> :D

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06:21 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines, IA; Temperature: 40.8°F / 4.9°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Scattered showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 60s. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 50 percent; (2 more messages)

06:21 <wdsmia> &more

06:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Tonight - Showers and thunderstorms. Warmer. Some thunderstorms may be severe with heavy rainfall. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph shifting to the south 5 to 10 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of showers and (1 more message)

06:21 <wdsmia> &more

06:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the afternoon. High in the mid 70s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest 10 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent

06:24 <hawmps> 'lo

06:41 <hawmps> &wx 12020

06:41 <Romulus> hawmps: Weather for Ballston Spa, NY; Temperature: 35.4°F / 1.9°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Not as cool with lows in the upper 40s. (1 more message)

06:41 <hawmps> &more

06:41 <Romulus> hawmps: West winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming south around 5 mph after midnight; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent

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14:47 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC 6.10.43/44 released

15:13 <hawmps> wow.. somebody updated the feed and it worked!

15:13 <hawmps> just damn..

15:14 <PovAddict> it has been giving news titles for a while now

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17:26 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:30 <Tank_Master> wb

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18:55 <xcamel> re-hi

19:46 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:46 <Romulus> xcamel: Weather for Galway, NY; Temperature: 61.2°F / 16.2°C | Humidity: 56% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. The low in the mid 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph; Tuesday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in (1 more message)

19:46 <xcamel> &more

19:46 <Romulus> xcamel: the afternoon. The high in the mid 60s. South winds around 5 mph...becoming east in the afternoon. Chance of rain 50 percent; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening...then mostly clear after midnight. The low in the lower 50s. North winds around 5 mph in the evening... becoming light and variable. Chance of rain 50 percent

19:46 <xcamel> nice enough..

19:46 <PovAddict> &wx eze

19:46 <Romulus> PovAddict: Weather for Ezeiza, ; Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Unknown | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Monday - Conditions: Clear. High: 68°F; Monday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 42°F; Tuesday - Conditions: Clear. High: 73°F; Tuesday Night - Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Low: 53°F; Wednesday - Conditions: Partly (1 more message)

19:54 <xcamel> &more PovAddict

19:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Cloudy. High: 73°F; Wednesday Night - Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Low: 51°F

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20:03 <CoderForLife> flash, boom, wetness

20:05 <CoderForLife> glad we're getting the house painted soon - wind-driven rain just comes right on through the wood front door

20:07 <CoderForLife> my workstation UPS is dead - batteries on order - thankfully the power has stayed on

20:07 <PovAddict> yesterday I was going to plug in the PowerBook charger

20:07 <PovAddict> and I noticed I couldn't, in the way the desktop machine was plugged, it covered the other outlet

20:08 <PovAddict> so I just switched plugs, the UPS kept it on meanwhile

20:08 <PovAddict> UPSs rock

20:31 <efc> moo

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21:19 <CoderForLife> my UPS flopped - that's it sitting there with the two batteries hanging out the back

21:19 <wdsmia> looks like the Twirlies are starting to spin up in KS :(

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21:29 <CoderForLife> yikes

21:30 <CoderForLife> we hates the twirlies

21:30 <PovAddict> ?

21:30 <CoderForLife> tornados, my padawan

21:34 <wdsmia> Anty M - Hate you,  Hate Kansas,  Took the Dog... signed Dorthy

21:35 <PovAddict> :O

21:39 <MTughan> "twirlies", lol

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