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06:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines, IA; Temperature: 52.6°F / 11.4°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...breezy. High in the lower 80s. South wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 50s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around (1 more message)

06:24 <wdsmia> &more

06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: 25 mph; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A 20 percent chance of light showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy. High in the upper 70s. South wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph

06:25 <hawmps> 'lo

06:26 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Weather for Loveland, OH; Temperature: 49.2°F / 9.6°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. East winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northwest this afternoon; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 40s. East winds 5 to 10 mph; Wednesday - Mostly (1 more message)

06:26 <CoderForLife> &more

06:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. East winds 5 to 10 mph

06:26 <CoderForLife> nice

06:26 <hawmps> chilly here..

06:26 <hawmps> &wx 12020

06:26 <Romulus> hawmps: Weather for Ballston Spa, NY; Temperature: 31.0°F / -0.6°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1024.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Widespread frost this morning. Partly sunny. The high in the lower 60s. Light and variable winds...becoming northeast around 5 mph this afternoon; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then (1 more message)

06:26 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz

06:27 <hawmps> & more

06:27 <Romulus> hawmps: clearing. Widespread frost after midnight. The low in the lower 30s. North winds around 5 mph; Wednesday - Widespread frost in the morning. Mostly sunny. The high in the lower 60s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...increasing to 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon; Freeze Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 9: 00 AM EDT on April 13, 2010

06:27 <CoderForLife> brr

06:28 <hawmps> hmmm.. fedex is fubar this morning

06:44 <hawmps> ah.. working now..

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07:10 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

07:57 <ELGono> lo jay

07:57 <ELGono> sometimes i wish i was an american hehe

07:57 <ELGono> founding a business in germany is pure pain

08:06 <hawmps> It's not all that easy here either. (a common myth)

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08:39 <ELGono> think it will take much more than a month

08:39 <ELGono> maybe up to 3

08:41 <ELGono> with getting support money from EU

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09:28 <Romulus> WB, Boss

09:49 <hawmps> &wx 12020

09:49 <Romulus> hawmps: Weather for Ballston Spa, NY; Temperature: 48.2°F / 9.0°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.31in / 1026.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Widespread frost this morning. Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Light and variable winds...becoming northeast around 5 mph this afternoon; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then (1 more message)

09:50 <hawmps> &more

09:50 <Romulus> hawmps: clearing. Widespread frost after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds around 5 mph; Wednesday - Widespread frost in the morning. Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...increasing to 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph in the afternoon; Freeze Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 9: 00 AM EDT on April 14, 2010

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11:05 <hawmps> blah..

11:05 <hawmps> getting nicer out though..

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16:14 <xcamel> 'lo

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17:03 <xcamel> pffft~~

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17:21 <Tank_Master> wb

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17:32 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:56 <PovAddict> &wx lomas de zamora

17:57 <PovAddict> &wx eze

17:57 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: timed out

17:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: Weather for Ezeiza, ; Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tuesday - Conditions: Chance of Rain. High: 71°F; Tuesday Night - Conditions: Chance of Rain. Low: 42°F; Wednesday - Conditions: Chance of Rain. High: 66°F; Wednesday Night - Conditions: Chance of Rain. Low: (1 more message)

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18:51 <Appetite> Can anyone tell me how to start einstein/boinc? i installed via apt-get but it isn't running

18:51 <Appetite> i already set it up

18:54 <GaelicGrime> personally I have always found the problem by dropping to a command prompt and sudo /etc/init.d/boinc-client and/or checking the logs

18:54 <GaelicGrime> the errors are usually pretty god (that I have seen at least)

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18:55 <Appetite> GaelicGrime: where are the logs at?

18:57 <GaelicGrime> /var/log/debug is often quite helpful but any thing in /var/log that does not obviously have nothing to do with boinc may have useful information

18:59 <Appetite> nothing in it related to boinc

18:59 <Appetite> it ran last night, but when i restarted my computer, it didn't come back up

19:00 <xcamel> running as a deamon or via boincmgr?

19:01 <GaelicGrime> what OS Appetite

19:01 <Appetite> debian lenny

19:01 <PovAddict> Appetite: nothing interesting in logs?

19:02 <Appetite> nosir

19:02 <Appetite> cat /var/log/debug | grep boinc returns nothing

19:02 <PovAddict> what's debug?

19:02 <Appetite> actually looking at it, the last messages were from statup time

19:02 <PovAddict> that file is totally empty here

19:03 <PovAddict> there should be some boinc-specific file in /var/log

19:04 <Appetite> not that i see

19:04 <GaelicGrime> I have no boinc specific log (Kubuntu 9.10) and a "grep boinc *" in /var/log returns only the original start last boot, several auth entries and nothing from a running client

19:05 <GaelicGrime> htop/ps/etc. is the only place I can easily see evidence of boinc running

19:05 <Appetite> htop shows the einstein processes

19:05 <PovAddict> then it should be in /var/lib/boinc-client/stdoutdae.txt

19:05 <Appetite> but im a .1 % CPU

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19:08 <GaelicGrime> that sounds like einstein has locked up Appetite

19:09 <GaelicGrime> I have not personally had problems with einstein but have had other tasks that needed a little assistance from boinc-manager to get moving along

19:10 <Appetite> alright, i'll join another group instead, i didn't choose einstein for any specific reason

19:10 <Appetite> but i can't use boinc0manager, just boinccmd (no WM)

19:10 <GaelicGrime> do you have other apps running which may make your machine look busy Appetite

19:11 <Appetite> GaelicGrime: Um, not sure, can you give me an example of one?

19:11 <GaelicGrime> I use boinc-manager remote on my two headless boxes Appetite

19:11 <PovAddict> Appetite: did you have a look at /var/lib/boinc-client/stdoutdae.txt ?

19:12 <GaelicGrime> if you are not using a WM you are probably ok, many widgets give the appearance of machine busyness Appetite

19:12 <Appetite> yes PovAddict

19:12 <Appetite> just said "[Einstein@Home] Restarting task SOMESTUFF version 104"

19:13 <PovAddict> can you put /var/lib/boinc-client/global_prefs.xml in a pastebin?

19:15 <PovAddict>

19:15 <Appetite> can i just remove einstain and link to another?

19:16 <PovAddict> no need to remove einstein, you can just add another

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19:17 <Appetite> ok, which is another good one i should contribute to

19:18 <Tank_Master> depends on what you are interested in

19:19 <Tank_Master> and if you have a good video card, you can use that even to crunch, depending on if the project supports it

19:19 <GaelicGrime> my headless boxes have loved milkyway lately, nothing has loved einstein or rosetta, my desktop has loved seti or milkyway

19:20 <GaelicGrime> but Tank_Master is right, your interests should drive your choice of projects

19:21 <GaelicGrime> before 22 March everything loved Einstein

19:21 <PovAddict> what happened on the 22nd?

19:21 <Tank_Master> einstine ever supported ATI

19:22 <GaelicGrime> no idea PovAddict but it has dropped steadily since then straight line to the bottom

19:22 <PovAddict> :|

19:22 <PovAddict> well they had technical issues on March 31

19:22 <PovAddict> and credits granted isn't necessarily proportional to people interested :P

19:22 <GaelicGrime> rosetta has always been fickle but this is the first time I have seen einstein with issues

19:22 <Tank_Master> einstine droped cuda support a long time ago, they couldnt get it to perorm well

19:23 <Tank_Master> so probably on the 22 they stoped issuing work for it

19:25 <Appetite> ill do milkyway i guess

19:28 <desti>

19:28 <Romulus> <> (at

19:29 <Appetite> PovAddict: with boinccmd how do i attach myself to a new projcect?

19:29 <Appetite> project*

19:30 <PovAddict> boinccmd --lookup_account http://project/url/ your@email yourpassword

19:30 <PovAddict> it will print your account key

19:30 <PovAddict> boinccmd --project_attach http://project/url/ thelongaccountkey

19:30 <Appetite> no i mean

19:31 <Appetite> to a new one

19:31 <PovAddict> well?

19:31 <Romulus> well is kind of happy whit debian atm, PovAddict

19:31 <PovAddict> ah to create an account?

19:31 <GaelicGrime> ... and you can also use a project manager like bam.   you register with the project then type in the two commands PovAddict

19:32 <Appetite> PovAddict: yeah

19:32 <PovAddict> boinccmd --create_account http://project/url/ your@email yourpassword yourname

19:32 <PovAddict> it will print the account key of your newly-created account, use it in project_attach the same way

19:33 <GaelicGrime> is that newish?  or did I miss that for a long time PovAddict?

19:33 <GaelicGrime> (account creation with the cli client)

19:33 <PovAddict> afaik it was added along with lookup_account

19:35 <PovAddict> yup, boinccmd --create_account since BOINC added support for email+password login (instead of emailed account key) which was five years ago :)

19:37 <GaelicGrime> thanks, I somehow have not noticed that for those five years LOL

19:39 <Appetite> Authorization failure: -155?

19:39 <PovAddict> goddammit

19:40 * PovAddict insults BOINC

19:40 <PovAddict> cd /var/lib/boinc-client

19:40 <Appetite> ah sorry lol, why does it make u do that

19:41 <PovAddict> because for boinccmd to talk to the boinc client, it needs the RPC password

19:41 <PovAddict> if you don't give boinccmd a password through --passwd, it reads gui_rpc_auth.cfg *from the current directory*

19:41 <Appetite> Ah...odd

19:41 <PovAddict> I have seen wors

19:41 <PovAddict> worse*

19:42 <PovAddict> (a Linux distro whose BOINC package installed gui_rpc_auth.cfg with no read permission for normal users so even boincmgr failed to connect to the client)

19:42 <Appetite> Lol

19:43 <Appetite> Ah milkyway requires 477MB of ram? dang..running this on an old spare machine with only 256mb of ram (but 10gb swap spacE)

19:44 <Tank_Master> the gpu apps may not need as much, but i dunno

19:44 <Appetite> got plenty of swap + GHz just low actual ram ;p

19:44 <PovAddict> I don't think you can use GPU apps if you don't even have X

19:45 <Appetite> i dont have a gpu in it

19:45 <GaelicGrime> you do need a WM to run the GPU apps (and a GPU too LOL)

19:53 <Appetite> Hm nfs@home is only running at 20% CPU max O.o

19:54 <PovAddict> can you put your /var/lib/boinc-client/global_prefs.xml in a pastebin?

19:55 <Appetite> without a WM?

19:55 <PovAddict> apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit -b < /var/lib/boinc-client/global_prefs.xml

19:56 <PovAddict> oh look at that, is down <.<

19:57 <PovAddict> and pastebinit doesn't support's recent changes

19:57 <PovAddict> use -b then..

19:57 <Romulus> Title: - paste bin (at

19:58 <Appetite> hm that didn't work, but oh well

19:59 <Appetite> cpu max usage limit is at 100

19:59 <PovAddict> what didn't work?

19:59 <Appetite> it's only using 15-20% of my that because nfs@home is a lighter-running project, or what?

19:59 <Appetite> einstein was at 100% on one of my cores last night

20:11 <Appetite> i added more projects and now both cores are at 100%

20:11 <Appetite> i think it must have been that nfs@home just wasn't providing enough work

20:19 <Tank_Master> a few projects arent CPU intensive

20:19 <Tank_Master> i dont think NFS is one of them though

20:20 <Appetite> aqua alone is using 100% of both of my cores

20:21 <Tank_Master> yeah, aqua is the only multi threadedd project

20:21 <PovAddict> maybe NFS was making your machine swap like crazy

20:21 <Tank_Master> i seem to recall that nfs can take as much as 1GB ram to run

20:21 <Appetite> then yeah on a 256mb machine, it would be swapping alot

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20:22 <Appetite> even though swap is on an SATA disk, that is nothing compared to real ram

20:22 <PovAddict> hi CFL

20:22 <Tank_Master> sata doent provide a huge advantage over ide really

20:22 <Appetite> Tank_Master: though it IS a bit faster

20:22 <Tank_Master> cept for Solid State HDs

20:23 <CoderForLife> hi PovAddict

20:23 <Tank_Master> the interface is faster, but still the same mecahanics

20:23 <CoderForLife> hi Tank_Master

20:23 <Appetite> ssd's are rediculous..they need to drop in price before i even attempt to invest in them

20:23 <Tank_Master> howdy CFL

20:23 <Tank_Master> you can get some under $100 now

20:23 <CoderForLife> welcome to #boinc Appetite

20:23 <Appetite> heya CoderForLife

20:23 <Appetite> Tank_Master: very small ones

20:23 <Appetite> Tank_Master: a 256GB is $750 USD

20:23 <Tank_Master> 80 GB

20:24 * Appetite doesn't believe this

20:24 <Appetite> links?

20:24 <Tank_Master> newegg

20:24 <Appetite> i was looking on newegg

20:24 <Appetite> they are much more than that O.o

20:25 <Tank_Master> intel and a few others recently released new cheeper drives, but they dont perform as well as the $500 ones

20:25 <Appetite> theres your catch ;p

20:26 <Tank_Master> looks like newegg doent have them yet

20:26 * Appetite just shorted out a CPU fan

20:27 <Appetite> Big sparks = bad

20:28 <CoderForLife> don't let the smoke out: it's the smoke that makes it work

20:28 <Tank_Master> sparks are fine as long as the smoke dont get out

20:28 <Appetite> CoderForLife: no smoke, just big spark + broken chip lol

20:28 <CoderForLife> zackly

20:29 <CoderForLife> well - I'm going to wander off with the Dell notebook and do some Code

20:29 <CoderForLife> gn all

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20:51 <Appetite> at about what range is optimal for a CPU to be running at?

20:51 <Appetite> about the average...not for overclocking i mean

20:52 <PovAddict> you mean temperature?

20:52 <Appetite> yeah

20:52 <Appetite> sorry, i realize i left that out of the sentece ;p

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21:30 <Appetite> is estimated CPU time remaining in seconds, milliseconds, minutes...?

21:31 <PovAddict> shown in boinccmd? seconds

21:31 <Appetite> ok, ;0

21:31 <Appetite> damn

21:31 <Appetite> 61 days

21:31 <Appetite> rofl

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