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03:48 <efc> Hot. Also the rainbow is nice.
03:49 <efc> I got an almost full semicircle, double rainbow a month or two ago. Have to dig that up sometime
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06:24 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines, IA; Temperature: 46.7°F / 8.2°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High in the lower 70s. South wind near 5 mph; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers. Low in the upper 40s. West wind near 5 mph; Wednesday - Partly (1 more message)
06:24 <wdsmia> &more
06:24 <Romulus> wdsmia: sunny. High in the upper 60s. West wind near 10 mph
06:26 <hawmps> 'lo
06:26 <wdsmia> mornin jay
06:31 <GaelicGrime> morning all
06:47 <hawmps> btw, Doug, finally 'aquired' a JRC NRD-545D in perfect condition.
07:02 <wdsmia> congrats
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07:12 <wetfoot> mornin!
07:14 <hawmps> now to sell my 535-D
07:19 <GaelicGrime> I wish I didnt have other things that take priority, that would be better than most of what I listen on
07:19 <GaelicGrime> never knew there were radio types in the halls LOL
07:20 <wetfoot> uni halls?
07:20 <GaelicGrime> boinc halls
07:20 <wetfoot> ok
07:21 <wetfoot> lol...
07:21 <hawmps> I have more than a few radios..
07:24 <GaelicGrime> I have a small collection, but nothing great these days. one that I plan on keeping for portability is a degen 1103 but otherwise they are rather unworth mentioning LOL
07:44 <hawmps> The little Degen is a nice portable.
07:54 <hawmps> my only portable in regular use is an Eton E1
07:59 <GaelicGrime> yeah I have loved the degen so far, 2 of them 1 original and 1 later version (memory fails me at present as does my body which has decided sleep is now the plan)
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09:37 <hawmps> lol
10:16 <hawmps> Now I really, really need a CHE199 wideband converter...
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10:37 <PovAddict> wetfoot: I filled the survey :)
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14:06 <yoyo[RKN]> what could be the reason for this fault http://www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo/result.php?resultid=6235349
14:06 <yoyo[RKN]> the app and wu runs without problems on most linux systems, but for some useres it crashes
14:07 <PovAddict> does that app use GPU?
14:07 <yoyo[RKN]> no
14:08 <PovAddict> strange since -234 is ERR_MISSING_COPROC
14:10 <yoyo[RKN]> its simple C code
14:15 <yoyo[RKN]> i could link it static
14:16 <PovAddict> the error comes from BOINC
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15:08 <PovAddict> wetfoot: don't do DCC Chat, it never works properly
15:08 <wetfoot> lol
15:08 <PovAddict> can't you do a normal private chat?
15:08 <wetfoot> ok
15:08 <wetfoot> thanks for filling in my survey
15:08 <wetfoot> really useful stuff
15:08 <wetfoot> I was wondering..... :p
15:09 <wetfoot> could I delete ur survey entry and use it as an interview?
15:09 <PovAddict> yesterday my IRC client had connection problems while the "Accept DCC Chat" message box was left open for hours :P I reported the bug to them
15:09 <wetfoot> would you consent to that?
15:09 <PovAddict> interview?
15:10 <wetfoot> yer, take all that you said and put it in my dissertation as an interview with you over irc
15:10 <wetfoot> putting it as a survey response kind of belittles it a bit
15:11 <wetfoot> and I think it deserves more than that
15:12 <wetfoot> some of your answers were very informed and to say 10 people said this and 1 persoin (you) made this statement kind of puts it the wrong context
15:13 <wetfoot> + it makes me look good if I say I sought out someone who has been about for a long time, started and contributed projects and is exploring a boinc fork
15:14 <wetfoot> contributed to*
15:15 <wetfoot> anyways what do you think?
15:15 <PovAddict> feel free to use it
15:15 <PovAddict> I'm busy right now (and going out in 45 mins) but you could ask more later :P
15:17 <yoyo[RKN]> moin
15:17 <wetfoot> ok man :D
15:17 <yoyo[RKN]> symbol _WinMain@16 not found
15:17 <wetfoot> hello yoyo
15:18 <yoyo[RKN]> in msvcrtd.lib
15:18 <PovAddict> Windows is the problem :)
15:18 <yoyo[RKN]> jup
15:19 <PovAddict> how are you compiling?
15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> created a new project in VisualC++ express and added the cpp file to it
15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> added boinc api+lib directories as include
15:20 <PovAddict> you need to tell Visual C++ that you're writing a console app
15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> oh
15:21 <yoyo[RKN]> I selected the other thing in the wizard
15:25 <wetfoot> will ask you some questions later if it's still ok, thanks ProcAddict, really appreciate you giving your time :D
15:27 <wetfoot> Dissertations are no fun lol, interesting at times but a bit too stressfull!
15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> it compiled and linked
15:31 <wetfoot> how old is yoyo@home?
15:32 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: I should start charging you for tech support already :P
15:32 <yoyo[RKN]> than I must stop to ask
15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> wetfoot : 3 years
15:33 <yoyo[RKN]> nearly
15:33 <PovAddict> already? damn I have no sense of time
15:34 <Romulus> Title: News archive (at www.rechenkraft.net)
16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> oh
16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> CreateProcess() failed - The application has failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is incorrect. Please see the application event log or use the command-line sxstrace.exe tool for more detail. (0x36b1)
16:11 <yoyo[RKN]> strange windows
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16:14 <Romulus> WB, Boss
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17:32 <wdsmia> re-hi
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17:45 <Tank_Master> wb
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18:10 <RomW> @yoyo, that generally happens when multiple versions of the c runtime attempt to be loaded at the same time via the application manifests
18:12 <RomW> For instance App A depends on CRT included with VS2008 and another DLL used by the application uses the CRT included with VS2008 SP1
18:13 <RomW> the resulting version clash causes CreateProcess to fail
18:13 <PovAddict> what if app dynamically links to VS2008 CRT and it's not available in the system? does it give that error or a different one?
18:13 <RomW> Should give a file not found error
18:13 <RomW> well DLL not found
18:14 <RomW> Starting with VS 2005 multiple versions of the CRT can be installed in the GAC of the system
18:14 <RomW> at the same time
18:14 <PovAddict> yeah, but BOINC science apps can't rely on the GAC having a certain CRT version...
18:15 <RomW> So VS 2008, VS 2008 SP1, VS 2008 SP1 + hotfix, could all be installed on the same system
18:15 <RomW> true, static linking generally resolves that
18:17 <RomW> Anyway, the easiest way I have found for identifying the bad guy, is to open up all the DLLs that import MSVCRT in VS without a solution and extract the RT_MANIFEST resource
18:18 <RomW> look at it in a text editor
18:18 <RomW> compare with the executable
18:23 <PovAddict> RomW: I have a 256MB GPU
18:24 <RomW> lol
18:24 <RomW> yeah, but you make it a point to not do GPU computing
18:24 <PovAddict> GeForce 8600 GT
18:24 <Tank_Master> PovAddict is behind the times
18:24 <Tank_Master> :P
18:24 <PovAddict> does that card even support CUDA?
18:24 <Tank_Master> yes
18:25 <Tank_Master> its hella slow, but yes, itll run cuda
18:25 <RomW> The better question ais, are there any apps that still support it
18:25 <PovAddict> lol
18:25 <Tank_Master> collatz
18:26 <Tank_Master> i dunno about dnetc, but i think it does
18:26 <Tank_Master> gpugrid will run on it, but you wont finish before the deadline
18:27 <Tank_Master> I believe SETI's cuda app still works on it, but i dont folow SETI much
18:28 <RomW> ah
18:28 <RomW> better than I thought
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18:29 <Tank_Master> primgrid's cuda app should work for it to, but that subproject is ending
18:29 <Tank_Master> mw wont run on it because they need double resision
18:29 <Tank_Master> presision*
18:30 <Tank_Master> i think latice has a cuda app, but rarly has work
18:30 <RomW> Now that is a surprise
18:30 <Tank_Master> what is?
18:30 <RomW> I would not thought Latice would have had a CUDA app
18:31 <Tank_Master> ah
18:31 <PovAddict> so what do I need to download to enable CUDA?
18:31 <PovAddict> I don't think the Debian-provided driver supports it
18:31 <RomW> Probably the nvidia driver package
18:31 <Tank_Master> just a compatible driver from nvidia and boinc 6.6 or later
18:31 <PovAddict> I have 190.53
18:32 <Tank_Master> thatll work
18:32 <RomW> although i've had bad luck with both the Nvidia and ATI drivers on Linux
18:32 <PovAddict> RomW: I was forced to use ATI drivers recently
18:32 <RomW> both choke on different distros
18:32 <PovAddict> RomW: a capacitor blew up on my nVidia card and I had to use onboard ATI gfx till I got the cap fixed
18:33 <RomW> left my dev box unbootable for a couple of days
18:33 <RomW> ouch
18:36 <PovAddict> actually, a capacitor blew up and I got it fixed soon, but two weeks later another blew up and I had no replacement so I had to use onboard until I got around to go to an electronics shop
18:37 <RomW> ah
18:37 <PovAddict> quite strange... worked for a year or two with no problems, then two caps fail in as many weeks :/
18:38 <RomW> probably heat related
18:38 <Tank_Master> 2 year warenty must have just expiered
18:38 <RomW> lol
18:38 <PovAddict> lol
18:39 <PovAddict> I just configured BOINC, it said *twice* that "Package libnotify was not found in the pkg-config search path."
18:40 <PovAddict> configure.ac has: LIBNOTIFY_CFLAGS=`$PKG_CONFIG libnotify --cflags`; LIBNOTIFY_LIBS=`$PKG_CONFIG libnotify --libs`;
18:40 <RomW> Easier to just download from boinc.berkeley.edu
18:40 <PovAddict> any reason why it's not just using the PKG_CHECK_MODULES autoconf macro?
18:40 <RomW> I'm still waiting on Eric to fix that up the right way
18:41 <RomW> instead of my hack
18:48 <PovAddict> yup, manager failed to compile because I don't have gtk-dev, but configure should have noticed and errored
18:50 <RomW> Eric is the build environment guy
18:50 <PovAddict> 20-Apr-2010 19:50:11 [---] No usable GPUs found
18:50 <PovAddict> D:
18:50 <RomW> I only get involved when he breaks my VM builds
18:50 <RomW> lol
18:50 <RomW> cc_config.xml: <gpu_debug>
18:51 <RomW> or whatever the tag is
18:51 <PovAddict> 20-Apr-2010 19:51:21 [---] Unrecognized tag in cc_config.xml: <gpu_debug>
18:51 <PovAddict> guess that was not it
18:51 <PovAddict> coproc_debug it is
18:52 <PovAddict> 20-Apr-2010 19:52:03 [---] No NVIDIA library found
18:52 <RomW> coproc_debug
18:54 <RomW> libcuda.so wasn't found
18:55 <PovAddict> got it, libcuda.so was moved off the nvidia-glx package in debian unstable
18:56 <PovAddict> 20-Apr-2010 19:56:30 [---] NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce 8600 GT (driver version unknown, CUDA version 2030, compute capability 1.1, 255MB, 76 GFLOPS peak)
18:58 <RomW> Well, now you should be able to do GPU jobs
18:58 <PovAddict> collatz gave me a CPU task
18:59 <RomW> make stage
18:59 <RomW> ops
19:01 <Tank_Master> you need to set your project preferences to use the gpu app
19:01 <Tank_Master> and while your in there, you vcan also tell it to not send you cpu apps
19:02 <PovAddict> I just did that
19:02 <Tank_Master> ok
19:02 <PovAddict> now it's refusing to send work (last req too recent) >_<
19:02 <Tank_Master> LOL
19:02 <Tank_Master> yeah, that is annoying
19:02 <Tank_Master> along with the 24h backoff when theres an error connect
19:02 <PovAddict> I'll try SETI
19:02 <RomW> LOL, the result of not having that feature is pretty annoying too
19:03 <Tank_Master> which one?
19:03 <PovAddict> SETI@home|Message from server: (Project has no jobs available)
19:03 <RomW> Still have nightmares
19:03 <RomW> last request too recent
19:03 <PovAddict> come on, I finally give in to try CUDA and projects conspire against me?
19:03 <Tank_Master> ahh
19:03 <Tank_Master> try dnetc
19:03 <PovAddict> yoyo?
19:03 <Romulus> yoyo is at www.rechenkraft.net/yoyo, PovAddict
19:04 <Tank_Master> yoyo dosnt have gpu
19:04 <Romulus> Title: DNETC@HOME (at dnetc.net)
19:04 <Tank_Master> thats a gpu only project
19:04 <Tank_Master> no cpu apps
19:05 <Tank_Master> ohh, thought they had a linux ap, apparently now
19:05 <RomW> lol, didn't know about that project
19:05 <PovAddict> o_o
19:05 <PovAddict> GPU only?
19:05 <PovAddict> how do they calculate credits then?
19:05 <Tank_Master> its between collatz and MW
19:05 <Tank_Master> thats what he has tuned the credits to
19:05 <PovAddict> so far projects adjusted CPU app to give similar credit to other projects, then let the GPU app give the same credits per WU as the CPU app
19:06 <PovAddict> DNETC@HOME|Message from server: DNETC@Home is not available for your type of computer.
19:06 <PovAddict> Windows-only
19:06 <Tank_Master> he adisus the credit to be between collatz and MW'd GPU for the same card
19:06 <Tank_Master> yeah, noticed that larter, sorry
19:06 <PovAddict> projects are conspiring against me, I tell you
19:06 <Tank_Master> how long is collats backoff?
19:07 <PovAddict> 1 second left
19:07 <Tank_Master> not to bad then
19:07 <PovAddict> Collatz Conjecture|Message from server: No work sent
19:07 <PovAddict> no reason given
19:07 <Tank_Master> o0
19:07 <RomW> ugh
19:08 <PovAddict> no extra message in the sched_reply*.xml file so it's not that the client failed to show it, the server didn't send any more info
19:09 <Tank_Master> odd
19:09 <PovAddict> and DNETC is giving a ridiculously low backoff
19:09 <RomW> I wonder if I should bug John about an SSL account again
19:09 <PovAddict> 7-second backoff for "project doesn't support Linux"?
19:10 <PovAddict> it's not like they're going to add Linux support while we're talking
19:10 <Tank_Master> lol
19:10 <RomW> IIRC the min time is a different config.xml setting
19:11 <PovAddict> SETI keeps saying no jobs
19:11 <Tank_Master> its tuesday, are they dont messing around with the db?
19:11 <RomW> otherwise it just falls back to exp backoff
19:12 <PovAddict> I think unsupported platform should give a higher default backoff...
19:12 <Tank_Master> looks like aqua is out of fokker WUs again
19:12 <RomW> I think we left it that way for places like St. Jude hospital
19:12 <RomW> they bring apps up and down
19:14 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - nicolas - post number 1870593 (at pastebin.ca)
19:14 <PovAddict> the task queue is totally empty for both CPU and GPU, why does it sometimes ask CPU only and sometimes GPU only?
19:15 <PovAddict> and never both?
19:16 <Tank_Master> its BOINC, you expecting things to make sence?
19:17 <PovAddict> okay, I might have luck with gpugrid this time
19:17 <RomW> turn on work_fetch_debug
19:17 <PovAddict> I got a task
19:17 <RomW> or is it workfetch_debug
19:17 <Tank_Master> you wont finish it in time
19:17 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I don't care, I want to see if it starts at all
19:17 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok :P
19:17 <PovAddict> oh awesome
19:17 <PovAddict> "Ready to start"
19:18 <PovAddict> *there are no other tasks*
19:18 <RomW> ah
19:18 <RomW> the new code might be working
19:18 <RomW> lol
19:18 <Tank_Master> do you have "run gpu alwys"?
19:18 <RomW> need to add some more logging though
19:18 <RomW> ooo good one Tank_Master
19:18 <PovAddict> GPUGRID|[coproc_debug] Insufficient CUDA for p44-IBUCH_A011_pYEEI_long_100413-2-4-RND6677_1; 0 < 1
19:19 <PovAddict> chance of a user seeing that: 0.01% (it's under a debug flag)
19:19 <RomW> that shouldn't have even been assigned to you to begin with
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19:22 <RomW> did you build BOINC? or did I?
19:22 <PovAddict> I built BOINC from latest trunk
19:24 <PovAddict> building again with optimizations so I can use gdb and keep my sanity
19:25 <xcamel> 'lo Rom
19:25 <PovAddict> cp->available_ram == 70004224
19:25 <PovAddict> rp->avp->gpu_ram = 249561088
19:26 <RomW> 'lo
19:26 <PovAddict> in get_integer_assignment()
19:27 <RomW> cpu_sched.cpp:1117
19:28 <PovAddict> yup
19:28 <PovAddict> in line 1107, memory needed > memory available, so defer_sched was set to true
19:28 <PovAddict> and it left the loop with nfree==0
19:29 <PovAddict> kind of impressive I have only 66MB of free GPU RAM...
19:30 <RomW> How much is X using?
19:30 <PovAddict> I don't know how to tell
19:33 <PovAddict> I just disabled KDE desktop compositing
19:33 <PovAddict> available RAM went up to 91.41MB
19:33 <PovAddict> I added a debug message to the client to show available and required RAM
19:33 <PovAddict> 20-Apr-2010 20:33:07 [GPUGRID] [coproc_debug] GPU has 91.41 MB RAM, task needs 238.00 MB
19:34 <PovAddict> quitting web browser, 105.23MB free
19:35 <RomW> Is your GPU card one of the funky ones where half of the GPU ram is actually system memory?
19:35 <PovAddict> I bet it's not possible for X to use 18MB of RAM even without a desktop environment
19:35 <PovAddict> no, it's 256MB real video memory
19:35 <RomW> hmmmmmmm
19:36 <PovAddict> don't underestimate KDE4's hit on video memory :)
19:37 <RomW> 1117 talks about usabe instances of CUDA devices
19:37 <RomW> ah
19:37 <RomW> okay
19:37 <RomW> I see the code ahead
19:37 <RomW> of that debug block
19:37 <PovAddict> nfree has the number of usable instances (0)
19:38 <PovAddict> nfree was not incremented to 1 because the one and only CUDA device didn't have enough memory
19:39 <PovAddict> hmm I killed Plasma and it went up to 110.16 MB... way too little change
19:39 <PovAddict> I wish I could see what is actually using GPU memory
19:42 <RomW> No GPU has a way to do that yet
19:42 <RomW> About the only thing to do is drop to the command line in your case
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19:45 <PovAdct_cli> just logging out of my KDE session got it to this:
19:45 <PovAdct_cli> [coproc_debug] GPU has 228.09 MB RAM, task needs
19:45 <PovAdct_cli> 238.00 MB
19:46 <PovAdct_cli> X is still running, showing login screen
19:46 <RomW> lol
19:47 <PovAdct_cli> killing X altogether...
19:47 <PovAdct_cli> [coproc_debug] GPU has 227.50 MB RAM, task needs
19:47 <PovAdct_cli> what the hell?
19:47 <Romulus> what the hell is that, PovAdct_cli
19:47 <PovAdct_cli> I kill the login manager and the free memory goes *down*?
19:48 <RomW> PCIX? Or AGP?
19:49 <PovAdct_cli> is there any hardware-visible difference between PCI and PCIe?
19:49 <RomW> Do you know what the ISA bus looked like?
19:49 <RomW> and EISA?
19:49 <PovAdct_cli> very wide compared to PCI?
19:51 <PovAdct_cli> afaik ISA is ancient, which probably means that I haven't seen it in real life
19:51 <RomW> Okay...
19:51 <RomW> Ummmm
19:51 <RomW> I'm sure there are a couple of pictures online
19:51 <PovAdct_cli> that means restarting X :)
19:51 <RomW> lol
19:51 <RomW> true
19:52 <RomW> But, my roomate just got home, and we are supposed to go out to eat dinner, so i'll be back later
19:52 <RomW> ttyl
19:52 <PovAdct_cli> anyway, it's not AGP, I don't know the visible differences between PCI and PCIe, but if it was "normal" PCI it would be way too slow... so that leaves PCIe
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20:14 <Tank_Master> zombie67, you mised a historic event...
20:14 <Tank_Master> pov has gone cuda!
20:14 <zombie67> oh?
20:14 <zombie67> I didn't realize he was an ATI fanboi
20:14 <zombie67> or do you mean that he is GPU crunching
20:14 <zombie67> ?
20:15 <Tank_Master> no, he was no gpu at all till today
20:15 <zombie67> I seem to recall he said he would never GPU crunch
20:15 <Tank_Master> for crunching anyway
20:15 <zombie67> brb
20:15 <Tank_Master> k
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20:55 <RomW> i'm back
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20:58 <RomW> well, gone again...
20:58 <RomW> i'll be back later tonight
21:01 <zombie67> pov, i hear you went to the dark side...
21:26 <PovAddict> I what?
21:26 <PovAddict> zombie67: ^
21:27 <zombie67> you are GPU crunching?!
21:28 <PovAddict> I compiled BOINC 6.10.something, installed libcuda, and tried attaching to projects
21:28 <PovAddict> SETI says there are no jobs
21:29 <PovAddict> dnetc has no Linux app
21:29 <PovAddict> Collatz only gave me CPU tasks
21:29 <PovAddict> finally GPUGrid gave me a WU and it refused to start due to low GPU memory
21:30 <PovAddict> so you could say I never actually got to GPU-crunch
21:32 <zombie67> wait, you have to use the right settings
21:32 <zombie67> collats works just fine with small CUDA cards
21:32 <PovAddict> right settings for what?
21:32 <zombie67> in your proj prefs
21:32 <zombie67> what GPU?
21:32 <zombie67> how much memory?
21:32 <Romulus> It has been said that how much memory is in the machine, zombie67
21:32 <PovAddict> 8600 GT, 256MB RAM
21:33 <zombie67> gimme the url to your machine on that project
21:34 <zombie67> it shows only 255, but even so, it should work with that much
21:34 <PovAddict> I get "no work sent" without a reason
21:35 <zombie67> did you set your proj prefs to send only CUDA?
21:35 <PovAddict> after getting a CPU task and aborting it, I set the prefs to send CUDA and not CPU
21:36 <zombie67> and then what?
21:36 <PovAddict> Collatz Conjecture|Requesting new tasks for GPU
21:36 <PovAddict> Collatz Conjecture|[sched_op_debug] CPU work request: 0.00 seconds; 0.00 CPUs
21:36 <PovAddict> Collatz Conjecture|[sched_op_debug] NVIDIA GPU work request: 8640.00 seconds; 1.00 GPUs
21:36 <PovAddict> Collatz Conjecture|Message from server: No work sent
21:37 <zombie67> you mean, the mighty BOINC gives you no reason/
21:37 <zombie67> ?
21:37 <PovAddict> yup
21:38 <PovAddict> I thought maybe the server was returning extra info that the client wasn't showing me
21:38 <PovAddict> but sched_reply_boinc.thesonntags.com_collatz.xml doesn't have anything else
21:38 <zombie67> did you post about it? Slicker is very active and helpful
21:39 <PovAddict> nope, </experiment>
21:39 <zombie67> experiment with a tolerance of a single failure?
21:41 <zombie67> [18:40] <zombie67> ah!
21:41 <zombie67> [18:41] <zombie67> cuda 2.2?
21:41 <zombie67> [18:41] <zombie67> http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/forum_thread.php?id=4
21:43 <PovAddict> how do I even know? :P
21:43 <PovAddict> "CUDA version 2030, compute capability 1.1"
21:43 <zombie67> ah, even more
21:43 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at boinc.thesonntags.com)
21:43 <zombie67> there is no linux cuda default app
21:44 <zombie67> you have to use anon platform: http://boinc.thesonntags.com/collatz/power_apps.php
21:44 <zombie67> and now we know.
21:44 <zombie67> so install it and try again.
21:46 <PovAddict> 'tis crunchin'
21:47 <PovAddict> and I'm sure it's using the GPU
21:49 <PovAddict> because it lags the GUI
21:49 <PovAddict> if I suspend the WU, it still takes some seconds to get the GUI framerate back to normal
21:50 <zombie67> heh
21:50 <zombie67> yeah, slower GPUs can lag
21:50 <PovAddict> I'm trying glxgears
21:50 <PovAddict> it runs at 2800fps
21:50 <zombie67> notice all the platforms supported by default or anon-platform?
21:50 <zombie67> that is why i was so surprised you didn't get work
21:51 <PovAddict> when I resume the WU it drops to 40-60fps
21:51 <zombie67> he supports EVERYTHING
21:51 <zombie67> you know you can set it so that it suspends when GPU is in use?
21:51 <PovAddict> I'm doing this just because RomW asked for help testing low-RAM GPUs
21:52 <zombie67> oh?
21:52 <zombie67> I have a low ram iMac w/ cuda
21:54 <PovAddict> my system just hanged pretty badly for a minute
21:55 <PovAddict> also, I think I can actually hear the fan changing speed when the WU runs
21:57 <wdsmia> low ram iMac w/ cuda... thats sad
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22:54 <RomW> The help in testing was for the case where the amount of available GPU ram dips below the required ram for the task and BOINC shuts the task down. It shouldn't attempt to start the next GPU task until at least the required amount of ram is available for either the next GPU task or the currently selected GPU task
22:54 <RomW> Pov helped test the changes without even knowing he did
22:54 <RomW> :)
22:56 <RomW> Although with his feedback we'll be tweaking the status of the task so that it says something to the effects of 'ready to start when more GPU Ram is available' instead of just ready to start'
22:56 <PovAddict> yet another WU state?
22:56 <PovAddict> there is a "waiting for memory" state already...
22:56 <RomW> yeah
22:57 <RomW> waiting for memory just refers to system memory
22:57 <RomW> i'm not sure what David is going to call it though
22:59 <PovAddict> ah looks like it's not really a state in the GUI RPC protocol
22:59 <PovAddict> it's an independent boolean (too_large)
23:06 <zombie67> I have seen a common problem
23:07 <zombie67> where the GPU memory is shared with system memory
23:07 <zombie67> and even though it shows 256mb
23:07 <zombie67> it reports something less to BOINC
23:07 <zombie67> and a task that needs 256, and will really get it, won't ever start.
23:08 <RomW> IIRC, the Nvidia API returns just what is on-board ram, doesn't add in the system memory allocated for that purpose
23:09 <RomW> Nvidia hasn't given any intruction for determining that
23:09 <zombie67> odd
23:09 <RomW> since that value can be changed via the BIOS
23:10 <zombie67> for example, my iMac shows I have 256mb GPU memory
23:10 <zombie67> but the projects show my machines as 255mb
23:10 <RomW> Then I must be thinking about a different problem
23:11 <zombie67> so it's not that boinc is not adding system memory, it is that boinc is counting less than all the gpu memeory
23:11 <zombie67> or there is a rounding problem
23:11 <RomW> well, some of that ram gets used by the OS shell
23:11 <zombie67> could be
23:12 <RomW> in the case of Pov and KDE4 100+MB was used
23:12 <zombie67> but since people use round numbers, when setting requirements...
23:12 <zombie67> there needs to be a fudge factor, or "close enough"
23:12 <RomW> he couldn't start crunching until after shutting down X Windows
23:13 <RomW> well, that needs to be a server-side configuration option
23:13 <RomW> or server-side fudge factor
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23:13 <zombie67> but the server side does not see my GPU as it really is
23:14 <PovAddict> RomW: even after shutting down X, there wasn't enough VRAM
23:14 <RomW> @Pov, really?
23:14 <PovAddict> yeah, short by a few MBs
23:14 <RomW> ouch
23:14 <PovAddict> like I said as PovAdct_cli
23:15 <RomW> @Zombie, the client reports what the Nvidia APIs return as the card configuration
23:15 <PovAddict> now I'm running Collatz along with KDE4 with desktop compositing; there's some GUI lag but doesn't make the desktop unusable
23:16 <RomW> Didn't Collatz say it requires 256mb?
23:16 <zombie67> collatz runs fine on my "255" gpu
23:16 <PovAddict> RomW: GPUGRID app required 238MB; when I logged out of KDE, free RAM went to 228MB; when I killed X (taking the KDE login manager down), free RAM went *down* to 227.5MB
23:17 <PovAddict> no idea what the hell happened there... close X, slightly *more* VRAM in use?
23:17 <RomW> oh, I was thinking about GPUGRID then...
23:17 <RomW> <Shrug>
23:17 <RomW> It is just a number returned to us from Nvidia
23:18 <zombie67> I read somewhere that it runs with something like 100mb
23:18 <zombie67> collatz does, I mean
23:31 <RomW> I've forwarded on to David, maybe we can presure Nvidia/ATI in proving better tools to track memory usage
23:32 <RomW> i.e. provide breakouts by process for how much VRAM is being used