IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2010-04-25

00:01 <GoSox> MTughan: that icon that you were on the fence about, the one i said shoudl be there, but should be something better than the generic spinny i used..... there should be two icons that animate to show active work.... one for CPU work units and one for GPU work units :-D

00:01 <GoSox> the more user feedback the better

00:01 <MTughan> I'd use a static icon for that.

00:01 <MTughan> Or a different background colour in the list.

00:01 <GoSox> something subtle-ly animated would look really good

00:02 <MTughan> Animation is fine, but too much is bad.

00:02 <MTughan> I'm reminded of the fully animated GeoCities and MySpace pages.

00:02 <GoSox> and maybe like green for CPU work, blue for GPU work, and faded grey would be work not in progress

00:02 <GoSox> MTughan: this would be the ONLY thing animated on the whole home screen??

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00:27 <GoSox> i have returned

00:28 <GoSox> i'm looking to see how i can make my client ONLY work on GPU units

00:35 <GoSox> aaaanyyyyyybooooooodyyyyyyyyy

00:40 <zombie67> pov, why?

00:43 <GoSox> so the only project that appears to be sending me CUDA work units is Collatz... and every CUDA unit it sends gets a Computation error right off the bat and stops computing

00:56 <GoSox> FUCK this shit is so buggy

00:56 <wdsmia> asks GoSox to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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05:17 <kibo_> hi!

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07:16 <CoderForLife> morning, any and all

07:19 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

07:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Weather for Loveland, OH; Temperature: 58.3°F / 14.6°C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.37in / 994.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning. A slight chance of showers early this morning...then a chance of showers late this morning. Showers with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in (1 more message)

07:19 <CoderForLife> &more

07:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the mid 60s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent; Monday - Cloudy with showers likely. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds around 10 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent

07:23 <CoderForLife> &social

07:23 <Romulus> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

07:24 <CoderForLife> I'm back in town after my business trip to Santiago Chile

08:33 <quail> mmm spider => http://www.flickr.com/photos/13113156@N02/

08:33 <Romulus> Title: Flickr: QuailLinux's Photostream (at www.flickr.com)

08:33 <quail> 'evening all

08:42 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

08:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Weather for Des Moines, IA; Temperature: 51.6°F / 10.9°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.42in / 996.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Light rain. Breezy...cooler. High in the mid 50s. North wind 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of showers through midnight...then a slight chance of showers (1 more message)

08:42 <wdsmia> &more

08:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: after midnight. Low in the mid 40s. North wind 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph through midnight. Chance of showers 30 percent; Monday - Cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. High in the upper 50s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of showers 40 percent

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09:06 <xcamel> 'lo

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09:08 <Jackpoz> hi

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09:12 <xcamel> &wx 12074

09:12 <Romulus> xcamel: Weather for Galway, NY; Temperature: 50.9°F / 10.5°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny with isolated showers this morning...then mostly cloudy with scattered showers this afternoon. Cooler with highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 (1 more message)

09:12 <xcamel> &more

09:12 <Romulus> xcamel: percent; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Lows in the mid 40s. Northeast winds around 5 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable; Monday - Rain likely. Highs in the mid 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent

09:16 <Jackpoz> is there a way to adjust the GPU % usage in a similar way as for the CPU?

09:29 <xcamel> not on the version I'm running..

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11:52 <Jackpoz> lul, Milkyway@home is graping my GPU^^

11:52 <Jackpoz> 5k credits in 2 hours :P

12:22 <Tank_Master> slow GPU?

12:32 <Jackpoz> slow?

12:33 <Jackpoz> http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5850/Pages/ati-radeon-hd-5850-specifications.aspx

12:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/yc8covd> (at www.amd.com)

12:33 <Tank_Master> most can do more than 2k an hr

12:33 <Jackpoz> Processing power (single precision): 2.09 TeraFLOPS

12:33 <Jackpoz> Processing power (double precision): 418 GigaFLOPS

12:33 <PovAddict> credits have totally lost meaning with GPUs

12:33 <PovAddict> a measure of how much faster than the CPU app it is

12:34 <Tank_Master> the 5850 should be getting a lot mroe than 2k an hr

12:34 <PovAddict> if their previous CPU app was an unoptimized piece of crap, the GPU app gives more credits

12:34 <Jackpoz> well, it didn't sound fair to say "5k in 5 minutes" since i didn't check when i opened boinc

12:35 <Jackpoz> it may be less than 2hr, not a big deal

12:35 <Jackpoz> still a lot faster than the cpu

12:35 <Tank_Master> it gets about 125k a day in collatz, more in dnetc and mw

12:35 <Jackpoz> it took 2 days to finish a WU with the cpu

12:36 <Tank_Master> anywho, i g2g

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13:46 <CoderForLife> re-hi

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14:30 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

14:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Weather for Loveland, OH; Temperature: 65.5°F / 18.6°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.26in / 990.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; This Afternoon - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent; Tonight - Showers. Lows in the lower (1 more message)

14:31 <wdsmia> &more CoderForLife

14:31 <Romulus> wdsmia: 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent; Monday - Cloudy with showers likely. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds around 10 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent

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14:39 <CoderForLife> &more

14:39 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent; Monday - Cloudy with showers likely. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds around 10 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon. Chance of rain 70 percent

14:40 <efc> moo

14:40 <CoderForLife> moo

14:40 <efc> Unfortunately it appears I was not killed in yesterdays storms.

14:41 <Saenger> that's not nice to hear ;)

14:41 <CoderForLife> indeed - I would shudder at the implications of this chat if you diid

14:41 <CoderForLife> er did

14:41 <efc> We were promised 4 horsemen and only got one.

14:41 <Saenger> wich colour?

14:42 <Saenger> +h

14:42 <CoderForLife> life sux like that sometimes

14:43 <efc> was dark, couldn't see

14:44 <CoderForLife> did you get the license plate number?

14:44 <efc> xcamel: what was the rig for? scanner?

14:44 <efc> HRSMAN1

14:45 <CoderForLife> ah - not the meanest hombre

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15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi

15:02 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:02 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Weather for Berlin Schoenefeld, ; Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h ; Sunday - Conditions: Clear. High: 68°F; Sunday Night - Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Low: 46°F; Monday - Conditions: Chance of Rain. High: 60°F; Monday Night - Conditions: Chance of Rain. Low: 46°F; (1 more message)

15:02 <PovAddict> &wx eze

15:03 <Romulus> PovAddict: Weather for Ezeiza, ; Temperature: 65°F / 18°C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Sunday - Conditions: Scattered Clouds. High: 69°F; Sunday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 46°F; Monday - Conditions: Clear. High: 69°F; Monday Night - Conditions: Clear. Low: 46°F; Tuesday - Conditions: (1 more message)

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15:30 <Keba> hi there

15:33 <Keba> im searching for a boinc project which needs much more cpu power than ram usage.... i want to run some cool boinc project on my server (256 to 1024 mib ram, i7 cpu ...) - any nice projects for this purpose?

15:33 <PovAddict> 1GB is a lot

15:34 <Keba> for boinc only, right... but not for a webserver which some apps

15:34 <Saenger> a lot? depends on the project ;)

15:34 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

15:34 <PovAddict> Keba: then it's irrelevant how much RAM the machine has

15:34 <PovAddict> tell us how much max RAM you want BOINC to use

15:34 <Saenger> thre's a new project, WUProp@Home, where you can look just that up

15:35 <PovAddict> Saenger: last time I tried, it gave quite useless info

15:35 <Saenger> http://94.23.23.123/wuproj/results.py

15:35 <Romulus> Title: Results (at 94.23.23.123)

15:35 <PovAddict> they have separate "CPU" entries for every possible clock speed

15:35 <Keba> PovAddict: lets say no more than 100 mib? less wouldb e better

15:37 <PovAddict> Keba: go to http://94.23.23.123/wuproj/results.py, select "RAM" in "Data type", click OK, then in step 2 select your server's platform

15:38 <Keba> well, mabye i should ask another question: i am searching for a CPU intensive and non RAM intensive math/science project, which is as free and liber (would be best, if they shared their results for free) as possible... should be something sensefull (so not seti)... any ideas?

15:38 <Keba> PovAddict: oh, cool thanks :)

15:42 <Saenger> and cpu-intensive are nearly all of them, only freehal, wuprop, dynaping are cpr-non-intensive

15:42 <Saenger> and some are gpu-projects

15:43 <PovAddict> freehal is a CPU-intensive scam, as I said many times

15:43 <PovAddict> last time I checked (many months ago), it's a 10-second CPU-intensive app filled with sleep()s to make it use 0.1% CPU

15:45 <PovAddict> "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity", so I assume the admin has no clue what he's doing; but if it *was* malice, it would be a trick to give way more credits per CPU second than normal

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15:50 <Keba> does the lhc project need much ram?

15:51 <MTughan> LHC project rarely has any work, last I checked.

15:51 <Keba> hm, ok

15:52 <Keba> well, the milkyway project sounds nice

15:54 <Saenger> it's mainly gpu

15:54 <Saenger> they so much work via gpu, it looks like wasting cpu if you use them

15:54 <PovAddict> why don't they take the CPU app down then?

15:56 <Keba> hm, i dont have a gpu :P

15:57 <PovAddict> Keba: then you'll only get CPU tasks

15:58 <Keba> right, but, as Saenger said, its wasting cpu power then, if its coded for gpu

15:58 <PovAddict> they have a separate GPU app that happens to be faster

15:58 <Keba> is there any reason against climateprediction?

15:58 <PovAddict> if you think that means using the CPU app is a waste, continue searching for projects

15:58 <Saenger> it's working so good on gpu, cpu is veeeeryyyy sssslloooooowwwwwww in comparsion

15:59 <PovAddict> Keba: I don't know what their RAM reqs are nowadays

15:59 <Keba> PovAddict: 77mib using "HadCM3 Coupled Model Experiment Optimised File I/O" (by Saenger’s link above)

16:00 <Saenger> cpdn don't need that much ram, but up to 1GB of disc space per WU

16:01 <Saenger> and they don't have any hadcm at the moment afaik

16:01 <Saenger> only hadsm

16:01 <Keba> hm, and there is no way to use it with a 64 bit linux server...

16:01 <PovAddict> why not?

16:02 <Saenger> i'm using it on my 64bit linux computer

16:02 <Saenger> ok, no server, but it's tunning ectremely good with hadsm

16:02 <Keba> hm, then Saenger’s links above is not true

16:02 <Saenger> and i shopuld look before hitting the return button ;)

16:03 <Saenger> why?

16:03 <Saenger> cpdn has only 32bit apps, but they run fine in 64-lin

16:04 <Keba> ah, ok :)

16:04 <Saenger> there's only a small problem possible with the 32bit libraries

16:05 <Keba> hm?

16:05 <Saenger> i don't know if cpdn is affected, but a package called ia32 has to be installed for a whole bunch of 32bit lion applications

16:05 <PovAddict> for any 32bit app, unless it's statically linked

16:06 <Saenger> i have installed it on my computer as one of the first things, so I can't really say whether cpdn needs them as well

16:06 <Saenger> should not be that much of a problem on the other hand

16:07 <Keba> well, should be ok for now :)

16:09 <Keba> the debian package is broken. boinc-client needs schedtool to run, but schedtool is not installed automatically

16:10 <PovAddict> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537458

16:10 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2wxzw57> (at bugs.debian.org)

16:12 <Keba> PovAddict: ah ok ;)

16:13 <PovAddict> afaik there's nobody at all maintaining the boinc package nowadays

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16:23 <KEBA> hm, running "boinc" fails: http://sprunge.us/jLOi

16:24 <PovAddict> congratulations, you just got the boinc daemon to scatter its internal state all over your home directory

16:25 <PovAddict> lots of people do that wrong so clearly it's the package's fault

16:25 <PovAddict> 'boinc' is already running

16:25 <PovAddict> it's started by the init.d script

16:25 <PovAddict> you shouldn't run the client by hand, and if you do, it should be in a separate directory, definitely not in $HOME

16:27 <KEBA> damnit

16:27 <KEBA> youre right

16:27 <KEBA> so, i use boinccmd to play around with boinc?

16:28 <PovAddict> yes, or boincmgr if you have X

16:29 <KEBA> X is wate of rampower ;)

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18:17 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Weather for Loveland, OH; Temperature: 57.6°F / 14.2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.28in / 991.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms this evening...then showers likely after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance (1 more message)

18:17 <PovAddict> hey CFL

18:17 <CoderForLife> hey Mr PovAddict

18:17 <PovAddict> back from earthquakeland?

18:18 <CoderForLife> yes, they had one the day after we left

18:18 <CoderForLife> I was in Santiago from Sunday night thru Thursday morning

18:18 <CoderForLife> &more

18:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of rain 100 percent; Monday - Cloudy with showers likely. Highs in the upper 50s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of showers in the evening. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 20 percent

18:19 <CoderForLife> if you were going to set up a disaster recovery site for your company in Santiago, where would you put it?

18:22 <CoderForLife> I got real good at my Spanish - I can order "Coca-Cola Light" just like the natives

18:22 <Tank_Master> lol

18:22 <wdsmia> Boo Hiss

18:23 <CoderForLife> otherwise, it's espaningles

18:23 <CoderForLife> no takers on my DR site question?

18:24 <wdsmia> back-up tape is still cheaper

18:25 <CoderForLife> they're using VMware ESX

18:25 <CoderForLife> as are we to virtualize over 200 servers

18:26 <GaelicGrime> punched mylar tape, properly stored lasts forever and is less vulnerable to degrading external forces [giggle]

18:26 * wdsmia slaps GaelicGrime around with a large Carp

18:26 <GaelicGrime> :)

18:26 <CoderForLife> OK - I'll assume no takers - they have the DR site on the 26th floor of a building in the downtown area

18:27 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: the real WTF is that buildings of that height exist at all in Santiago

18:27 <CoderForLife> not the first place I'd recommend

18:28 <CoderForLife> saw a lot of surface damage where building standing next to each other banged together

18:28 <CoderForLife> buildings...

18:29 <PovAddict> my dad spoke to someone at Sun-Oracle who had like 6 family members sleeping at his house, because their homes weren't in a state to live in after the earthquake

18:29 <CoderForLife> sure - down near Concepcion?

18:30 <CoderForLife> what is the Argentine town of Mendoza like PovAddict?

18:30 <PovAddict> full of wine

18:30 <CoderForLife> that's a good start

18:31 <PovAddict> lol

18:31 <PovAddict> I've been there

18:31 <CoderForLife> is it someplace more technically advanced, that we could throw a wire over the Andes and host a backup site there?

18:32 <PovAddict> if this means anything... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archivo:Mendoza_argentina_by_longhorndave.jpg

18:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2uqcb3c> (at es.wikipedia.org)

18:33 <PovAddict> bbl bread-baking machine finished :)

18:33 <CoderForLife> looks nice

18:35 <CoderForLife> plenty of green

18:39 <PovAddict> mmm fresh-baked and warm bread

18:39 <CoderForLife> excellent

18:42 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: it seems there are a few web hosting companies in Mendoza

18:43 <PovAddict> so there must be someone who does server colocation too

18:45 <CoderForLife> good - I'll start asking about that tomorrow

18:54 <CoderForLife> I imagine cost for a communications link across the Andes may be a bit pricey

18:58 <PovAddict> my dad got a direct link to Chile for video chat

18:59 <PovAddict> saved quite a bit on travel costs (less flight-requiring face-to-face meetings)

19:00 <CoderForLife> yes - we can do that too - board room to board roow

19:00 <CoderForLife> er room

19:00 <PovAddict> IIRC the provider even gave them QoS at no extra cost because of the infrequent traffic

19:01 <CoderForLife> but it helps sometimes to go and see how the world looks out of the other guy's window

19:01 <PovAddict> getting priority traffic costs more if you're going to be transferring data 24/7

19:01 <CoderForLife> this would be a daily replication from Santiago to Mendoza, and also potentially to Cincinnati

19:01 <PovAddict> but video chat is a few hours per week, so...

19:02 <CoderForLife> right

19:08 <synapt> Doesn't BOINC support some trigger to run multiple instances/clients?

19:08 <PovAddict> huh?

19:11 <PovAddict> to run multiple science apps / workunits? it already does that based on how many CPU cores you have

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19:13 <synapt> Well no, basically someone I was just talking to apparently stretches BOINC across 10 actual VM instances, to fully utilize it, since it doesn't seem to 'standalone', I thought there was a way though you could actually run BOINC multiple times for such a thing, through a command line arg

19:13 <PovAddict> there is no point in running multiple BOINC clients on the same physical machine

19:15 <PovAddict> are you sure he actually has problems running one alone? I heard of people who think running BOINC in N virtual machines will process N times faster

19:15 <PovAddict> as if a VM was like a CPU core, getting more computation power out of nowhere

19:36 <synapt> PovAddict: So he says, he says it 'works faster' and gets him more credit technically as well, theoretically though I would have thought it'd be slower considering VM Overheads

19:36 <PovAddict> maybe he has BOINC set to use 10% CPU, so starting 10 instances compensates for that :P

19:49 <CoderForLife> heh

19:50 <PovAddict> synapt: even if there is a way to run multiple clients, I'll refuse to tell you on the grounds that it's a workaround for a different problem

19:51 <PovAddict> reminds me of someone who said BOINC should have a way to make it get 32-bit apps even on 64-bit machines, because the 64-bit SETI app was crashing for him

19:51 <PovAddict> that's a workaround; the 64-bit SETI app shouldn't crash in the first place

19:51 <synapt> *shrug*  I was mostly just curious, if there is one I'm sure I could find it out on my own

19:52 <PovAddict> I wonder what's the RAM waste of having 10 VMs just for BOINC :P

19:53 <CoderForLife> well - time for some heads-down Coding - gn all

19:55 <synapt> POV: He has 12 gigs total, apparently 1 gig per VM

19:56 <PovAddict> x_x

19:59 <Tank_Master> you guys talkin about me?

19:59 <Tank_Master> i only use 850mb per vm

20:02 <PovAddict> wtf

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