IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2010-05-27

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03:29 <isaa__> lol

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03:53 <isaa__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzTX1mau-h8

03:53 <omguno> Title: EGYPTIAN LOVER/ egypt,egypt /1984

03:53 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - EGYPTIAN LOVER/ egypt,egypt /1984 (at www.youtube.com)

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06:21 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 57.2F / 14.0C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. High in the lower 80s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the mid 50s. East wind near 10 mph.; Friday - Sunny. High in the mid 80s. East wind near 10 mph.;

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07:01 <Lagan> hello, did any of you have problems connecting to boinc today? I don't know why but it seems that something's wrong

07:12 <hawmps> which project?

07:12 <Romulus> Rumor has it which project is mikus with again, hawmps

08:10 <Lagan> i'm runnning Seti@home and Einstein, but both of them seem to fail. So I guess the problem are not the projects I'm running, there's simething to be wrong with the boinc manager I'm using ( wich is the one from the ubuntu repos)

08:11 <Antagonist> Lagan: Have you checked logs?

08:12 <Lagan> The messages you mean?

08:14 <Antagonist> /var/log/messages and /var/log/boinc/something.log I think it was, both

08:15 <Lagan> When i try to star BOINC it gives the message 'connecting to localhost', but it seems that he can't and shows the message 'disconnected'

08:16 <Lagan> ok, i'll read them, what do I have to do? Thanks for the help

08:18 <Lagan> there seems not to exist such a thing as  /var/log/boinc/

08:19 <Antagonist> something in /var/log/ that looks boinc related?

08:19 <Lagan> yes

08:19 <Lagan> let me try a locate

08:19 <Antagonist> Then that one.  I'm working off memory, on a windows machine now.

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08:22 <Lagan> oh wait, that isn't boinc, that is boot

08:22 <Lagan> shame on me

08:22 <Lagan> :P

08:23 <Lagan> well, I'll continue on it later on, time to eat

08:23 <Lagan> and again, thanks for the help

08:25 <Antagonist> mkay

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09:18 <hawmps> &wx 12020

09:18 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 71.6F / 22.0C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.60in / 1002.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms... mainly this afternoon. Some thunderstorms may be severe with damaging winds and large hail this afternoon. Much cooler with highs in the upper 70s. East winds (1 more message)

09:18 <hawmps> &more

09:18 <Romulus> hawmps: around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Some thunderstorms may produce damaging winds and large hail in the evening. Cooler with lows in the mid 50s. East winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. Light and variable winds.;

09:31 <Lagan> nice

09:53 <hawmps> yesterday was 95F

10:07 <Lagan> well i think i'm going to reinstall it all and see what happens

10:07 <Lagan> wish me well

10:21 <hawmps> good luck then...

10:21 <Lagan> thanks

10:30 <hawmps> OSSEC v. 2.4 is out

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11:22 <hillhopper> hello, anyone

11:23 <Lagan> hello

11:23 <hillhopper> I have a question regarding server status and service

11:24 <hillhopper> ok, I'm getting short connections and long delays on data transfer

11:25 <PovAddict> on what project?

11:25 <hillhopper> WCG

11:25 <PovAddict> each project server is independent

11:33 <hillhopper> example: latest message=Thu 27 May 2010 11:32:44 AM EDT|World Community Grid|Backing off 2 hr 59 min 33 sec on download of nk230-239_aank23503_05.075_v1_3.gz

11:37 <hillhopper> When I ran folding@home they had a web page with current server stats...

11:38 <PovAddict> WCG notably doesn't

11:38 <hillhopper> I noticed

11:38 <PovAddict> also doesn't have a lot of other things that are normal in BOINC projects :P

11:39 <hillhopper> I'm on a dialup, so delays are a nuisance line tie up

11:39 <PovAddict> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

11:39 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

11:39 <hillhopper> seti is listning for extraterrestrials?

11:39 <hillhopper> rubbish

11:41 <PovAddict> http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/server_status.php

11:41 <Romulus> Title: Einstein@Home - Server Status (at einstein.phys.uwm.edu)

11:41 <hawmps> wcg is kind of an odd duck.

11:41 <hillhopper> ok, some have it, some don't.  wcg quack quack

11:42 <PovAddict> most have it, wcg lacks a lot of things most BOINC projects have

11:42 <hillhopper> nice graphics though

11:42 <Lagan> any of you run boinc under ubuntu?

11:42 <hillhopper> I do

11:42 <hillhopper> or, I am

11:43 <Lagan> wich is the best way to install it, repos or script download ?

11:43 <hillhopper> synaptic

11:43 <Lagan> why?

11:44 <PovAddict> because then it will run on its own user account and automatically start when the system boots

11:44 <Lagan> well, thats not quite correct

11:44 <Lagan> it'll only do if you set that on booting conditions

11:45 <hillhopper> forget the upgrades, may not match system config well.  I installed the "latest" version and had more problems than with 5.10.45

11:45 <PovAddict> Lagan: the ubuntu package adds an /etc/init.d script that starts BOINC on boot

11:45 <hillhopper> that's ok if you have work to do, but transfers are another story

11:46 <Lagan> wow, it didn't work on my pc; I have to manually start it

11:46 <PovAddict> hillhopper: transfer timeouts are not the client's fault

11:46 <hillhopper> ok.  I realize they are server probs

11:47 <Lagan> ok, tell me more, i'm here to learn

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11:47 <hillhopper> My choice is to install the recommended version using synaptic

11:47 <Lagan> but won't it be out of date?

11:48 <EagleScreen> hi

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11:48 <hillhopper> "date" is for courting.  Versions are matched to a set of complex parameters

11:48 <EagleScreen> i am a Linux user interested in using BOINC

11:48 <hillhopper> go for it

11:48 <PovAddict> Lagan: Ubuntu Lucid has BOINC 6.10.17

11:49 <hillhopper> Hardy uses 5.10.45

11:49 <EagleScreen> i use currently OpenSuse Factory + KDE 4.4

11:49 <EagleScreen> some years ago I rememeber a KDE gui for BOINC, do you know anything about it?

11:49 <PovAddict> hillhopper: wut, didn't Hardy lose support already? that's ancient :P

11:50 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: there is a KBoincSpy app, but I think it hasn't been maintained in a long time... what's wrong with boinc manager? :P

11:50 <hillhopper> No, Hardy LTS  8.04.4

11:51 <EagleScreen> I dude if boinc-manager has supoort for KDE integration, for isntance, only working when AC-powered and so..

11:51 <EagleScreen> os is it independent of DE?

11:51 <PovAddict> uhh, the GUI has no control over that anyway

11:52 <EagleScreen> :o why?

11:52 <PovAddict> the BOINC client (daemon) uses OS-specific (not DE-specific) methods to know if you're on batteries

11:52 <PovAddict> it should work even with no GUI running

11:52 <EagleScreen> ohmm

11:52 <PovAddict> I don't see how AC-power is related to KDE...

11:52 <Lagan> but a GUI is always wellcome

11:53 <EagleScreen> KDe uses a daemon called powerdevil for energy stuff

11:53 <hillhopper> It starts running even before the GUI is loaded

11:53 <EagleScreen> oh then, if I do not open boinc-manager, is boinc already doing its work?

11:53 <hillhopper> it is on mine

11:54 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: depends how you installed it

11:54 <hillhopper> the client does the work

11:54 <EagleScreen> now i haven't it installed

11:54 <PovAddict> all distro packages (that I know of) start the client when the system boots

11:54 <hillhopper> the manager runs the client's user input

11:54 <EagleScreen> oh

11:54 <EagleScreen> there is Suse packages featuring this?

11:55 <hillhopper> dunno

11:55 <PovAddict> I never used suse

11:55 <EagleScreen> i only see some bit old packages

11:55 <PovAddict> I think they do that, yes...

11:55 <EagleScreen> Susa has boinc version 6.4.5

11:55 <PovAddict> last I checked, there was a giant security hole in opensuse's BOINC startup scripts, they ran the BOINC client as root... I sure hope they fixed that by now

11:56 <hillhopper> run a firewall

11:56 <PovAddict> how would a firewall help?

11:56 <EagleScreen> is 6.4.5 version usable?

11:57 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: sure

11:57 <PovAddict> well, as usable as BOINC always is...

11:57 <hillhopper> limit connection traffic for better control over security against the curious

11:58 <hillhopper> Bastille is kinda neat too

11:58 <EagleScreen> what if I use the Linux version here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php ??

11:58 <Romulus> Title: BOINC: compute for science (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

11:58 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: then it won't auto-start, unless you write the startup script yourself :P

11:59 <EagleScreen> mmmm

11:59 <EagleScreen> I can write bash code

11:59 <PovAddict> also won't run the client on a separate user account, or add the boinc manager to your KDE application list

12:00 <EagleScreen> yes but it is up to date

12:00 <PovAddict> get it then :)

12:01 <hillhopper> date is not a necessary factor since versions should match systems, not clocks

12:01 <EagleScreen> one dude more: I usually switch from different Linux distrobutions installed in the same computer, can I make all of them share the same BOINC (running the same task) ??

12:02 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: if they are all for the same architecture (ie. not one for 32-bit and another for 64-bit), it's technically possible, but you're on your own setting up that :P

12:02 <hillhopper> if you want to reboot into a different system each time.  Only one system runs at a time

12:02 <EagleScreen> all are 32bits

12:03 <hillhopper> so?

12:03 <Romulus> Rumor has it so is mine. lol, hillhopper

12:03 <Lagan> EagleScree: Are you spanish?

12:03 <EagleScreen> i mean the new booted system to continue the task of the old system

12:03 <EagleScreen> yes i am

12:03 <hillhopper> how many bits in a byte

12:03 <PovAddict> always 8

12:03 <hillhopper> nibble?

12:03 <PovAddict> in any decent system

12:04 <PovAddict> 4

12:04 <hillhopper> not Nintendo?

12:04 <Lagan> bueno, entonces has de saber que cuando les hagas una pregunta --> question, que dude en ingls significa colega

12:04 <hillhopper> si

12:05 <EagleScreen> for my sharing porpuse, is better to use the "upstream" package here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php ???

12:05 <Romulus> Title: BOINC: compute for science (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

12:05 <Lagan> jejeje

12:05 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: I don't think it'd make a significant difference

12:06 <PovAddict> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

12:06 <Romulus> Title: Dude - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre (at es.wikipedia.org)

12:06 <EagleScreen> where BOINC save its data? which directory? doesn it depends on distro packagers?

12:06 <omguno> idk

12:06 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: yes, it differs even between debian and ubuntu

12:06 <PovAddict> it's usually /var/lib/boinc or similar

12:07 <PovAddict> you could symlink them all to some directory shared between your distros

12:08 <hillhopper> good, then you have to know that when you do a question to them --> question, that doubts in English means colleague

12:08 <hillhopper> silly babelfish

12:09 <hillhopper> Isn't Ubuntu Debian based?

12:09 <Lagan> yes

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12:10 <hillhopper> It's been fun folks

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12:13 <EagleScreen> I supose there is no possible to share it between any Linux and Windows.. right?

12:14 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: not really, because there is no guarantee the application's intermediate state files are portable

12:15 <PovAddict> and the application files themselves are different

12:16 <EagleScreen> ok ok

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12:34 <EagleScreen> where save data upstream BOINC package?

12:34 <omguno> idk

12:35 <PovAddict> EagleScreen: in the only directory it has :P

12:36 <EagleScreen> I suspect that :)

12:36 <PovAddict> the core client saves data in the current directory

12:37 <PovAddict> the run_client script switches to the directory where you extracted BOINC, and runs ./boinc_client

12:37 <PovAddict> so data is saved in the same directory as the binaries

12:37 <EagleScreen> ok then I only have to share this folder between other Linux OS

12:41 <EagleScreen> I hope for if I use the same user for different computers, they to do different work

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13:14 <Lagan> hello

13:17 <Tank_Master> hi

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17:06 <CoderForLife> hey Rom

17:07 <RomW> Howdy

17:08 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

17:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 77.5F / 25.3C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with scattered showers and thunderstorms this evening...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the mid 60s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain (1 more message)

17:08 <CoderForLife> &more

17:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 50 percent.; Friday - Partly sunny. Scattered showers and thunderstorms... mainly in the morning. Highs in the mid 80s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows around 60. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:08 <CoderForLife> the t-storms are bearing down on me

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17:26 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:26 <wdsmia> &tgif

17:26 <Romulus> Agreed...

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18:14 <PovAddict> &urlunquote =%7E

18:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: =~

18:19 <Lagan> PovAddict: Playing with the bot?

18:25 <CoderForLife> but wdsmia...

18:26 <CoderForLife> Thursday Goes In front of Friday

18:27 <PovAddict> lol

18:27 <wdsmia> Friday for me

18:27 <wdsmia> and a 4 day weekend :)

18:28 <Tank_Master> fun times

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18:55 <CoderForLife> hmm  a SETI e-mail

18:56 <PovAddict> not seen it yet

18:56 <CoderForLife> Outlook complained about it being untrustworthy

18:57 <CoderForLife> bbiab - Stephen went downstairs for dinner and I'm going yo go sit with him

18:57 <CoderForLife> going to

18:57 <CoderForLife> yo man

18:57 <CoderForLife> bb

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19:44 <xcamel> 'lo

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19:50 <CoderForLife> back

19:50 <CoderForLife> re-hi

19:50 <efc> moo

20:24 <CoderForLife> moo efc

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20:56 <CoderForLife> gn

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23:15 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

23:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 62.9F / 17.2C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Low in the mid 50s. East wind near 10 mph.; Friday - Sunny. High in the mid 80s. East wind near 10 mph.; Friday Night - Clear. Low in the upper 50s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

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