IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2010-07-03

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04:13 <DragonFire1024> there should be a seti@home channel on freenode too :P

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09:15 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

09:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 71.9F / 22.2C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Breezy. High in the mid 80s. South wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy through midnight...then mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of thunderstorms after midnight. (1 more message)

09:15 <wdsmia> &more

09:15 <Romulus> wdsmia: Breezy. Low around 70. South wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph through midnight.; Independence Day - Thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. High around 80. South wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of thunderstorms 80 percent.; Flood Warning for Polk County in effect until 7:00 AM CDT on July 06, 2010;

09:17 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

09:24 <wdsmia> mornin Jay

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10:29 <Yoyo_m> rehi

10:30 <Yoyo_m> 1:0

11:16 <Yoyo_m> &wx sxf

11:16 <Romulus> Yoyo_m: Temperature: 88F / 31C | Humidity: 27% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Clear. High:91 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Clear. High:89 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:69 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F.;

11:25 <Yoyo_m> 2:0

11:29 * wdsmia hates yard w@#%

11:31 <Yoyo_m> 3:0

11:34 <PovAddict> we're so totally screwed

11:35 <Yoyo_m> ;)

11:45 <Yoyo_m> 4:0

11:46 <PovAddict> >.<

11:46 <PovAddict> no need for three different people to simultaneously rub the 4th goal in my face

11:47 <Yoyo_m> Lol

11:47 <HAND_GOTTEZ> germans had paid more money

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13:21 <os2mac> PovAddict: you still around?

13:21 <PovAddict> yes

13:21 <os2mac> I have another log for you if your still interested in helping.

13:22 <os2mac> http://pastebin.com/HXZCVGnm

13:22 <Romulus> Title: Thu Jul 1 18:18:04 2010 Star - Boinc Manager Log - HXZCVGnm - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

13:29 <os2mac> PovAddict: any ideas?

13:43 <MTughan> os2mac: You're able to get to setiathome.berkeley.edu or www.google.com from a web browser?

13:43 <os2mac> yes

13:43 <MTughan> Do you use a proxy server?

13:43 <os2mac> no, but I am on a nat'd router to a cablemodem.

13:43 <os2mac> specific ports?

13:44 <MTughan> NAT shouldn't matter.

13:44 <MTughan> BOINC just doesn't seem to be able to resolve DNS names to IP addresses.

13:45 <os2mac> agreed, but I have no idea why it can't

13:45 <os2mac> esp since I can get to those sites via a browser on the same machine.

13:45 <MTughan> Yeah.

13:46 <MTughan> What browser?

13:46 <Romulus> Somebody said What browser are you using, MTughan

13:46 <MTughan> forget what browser

13:46 <Romulus> Got it, MTughan.

13:46 <os2mac> in the lower right hand corner of the window it says I am connected to localhost (6.10.56) which is NOT my localhosts address

13:47 <MTughan> 6.10.56 is your BOINC version.

13:47 <os2mac> chrome, FF, Safari, Opera, Camino

13:47 <os2mac> they all work.

13:47 <MTughan> Hmm... Firefox I think has its own caching DNS server, but Safari definitely doesn't.

13:47 <os2mac> yes

13:47 <MTughan> What happens if you try "dig setiathome.berkeley.edu" in Terminal.app?

13:48 <os2mac> I am on that version of boinc

13:48 <os2mac> MTughan: standby

13:50 <PovAddict> MTughan: I suspect c-ares trouble

13:50 <MTughan> PovAddict: Maybe. But let's make sure dig works first.

13:50 <os2mac> connection timed out; no servers could be reached

13:50 <MTughan> That would be my point.

13:50 <PovAddict> !

13:50 <os2mac> that IS odd.

13:50 <MTughan> Looks like OS X is caching some stuff, while BOINC is.

13:50 <MTughan> s/is/isn't.

13:51 <MTughan> os2mac: What server did it try for DNS?

13:51 <MTughan> Does it say, actually? I don't remember if it does if it failed.

13:51 <os2mac> it does not.

13:51 <PovAddict> os2mac: try "dig setiathome.berkeley.edu @4.2.2.1"

13:52 <os2mac> that worked.

13:52 <MTughan> What server do you have for DNS in System Preferences?

13:52 <MTughan> Will be under Network.

13:52 <os2mac> googles DNS.

13:53 <PovAddict> Google strikes again

13:53 <MTughan> What's the IP?

13:53 <os2mac> 208.67.220.220 and 222.222

13:53 <MTughan> That looks like OpenDNS...

13:53 <MTughan> Both of them work for me though.

13:54 <os2mac> you know what your correct.

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13:54 <os2mac> lemme try digging from that.

13:54 <PovAddict> working for me too

13:54 <os2mac> just worked from dig.

13:54 <PovAddict> but speaking of DNS, after 15 hours, xname still hasn't updated my new subdomain under .povaddict.com.ar

13:55 <PovAddict> I just sent an email complaining <.<

13:55 <MTughan> os2mac: So specifying the server makes dig work, but not specifying it doesn't work?

13:55 <os2mac> correct.

13:57 <os2mac> lemme try just using my services dns and see if that corrects.

14:00 <MTughan> Okay... The list of servers that dig uses is in /etc/resolv.conf. You can always view it with less to make sure that your servers are being used.

14:00 <MTughan> There's actually a comment in there...

14:00 <MTughan> "This file is not used by the host name and address resolution or the DNS query routing mechanisms used by most processes on this Mac OS X system."

14:01 <MTughan> Which means that it might not affect browsers, but would affect dig, and possibly BOINC.

14:01 <os2mac> nope

14:02 <MTughan> PovAddict: Well, ns0.xname.org isn't responding. ns1.xname.org doesn't have your new domain though.

14:04 <os2mac> adding the opendns dns servers to /etc/resolv.conf didn't correct dig timeout.

14:05 <os2mac> is that a static service? do I have to restart a daemon to reread the file?

14:05 <MTughan> No.

14:05 <MTughan> I changed it using System Preferences, and dig used the new servers the next time I ran it.

14:06 <os2mac> ok hang on.

14:07 <MTughan> If whatever you're trying still doesn't work, you can try tracerouting to a DNS server. Something like "traceroute 208.67.220.220".

14:07 <MTughan> See if it stops anywhere.

14:11 <os2mac> http://pastebin.com/4sWqXX9e

14:11 <Romulus> Title: 1 192.168.11.1 (192.168.11.1) - Traceroute - 4sWqXX9e - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

14:12 <os2mac> what I tried to do was add the dns back to the networking section of preferences and see if it modified my /etc/resolv.conf. it did not.

14:13 <PovAddict> wait, did "dig setiathome.berkeley.edu @208.67.220.220" work?

14:14 <os2mac> yup

14:31 <os2mac> and?

14:31 <Romulus> Rumor has it and are well optimized for ATI, os2mac

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14:41 <os2mac> PovAddict: what was your point?

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14:49 <os2mac> PovAddict: what was your point?

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15:25 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi

15:25 <MTughan> os2mac: I think his point was that you can reach OpenDNS servers, so you shouldn't have a problem if they're set for the whole system.

15:26 <PovAddict> actually that the traceroute wasn't quite useful, since we already knew the servers are reachable

15:30 <os2mac> so what next?

15:30 <PovAddict> no idea...

15:30 <PovAddict> I sent an email to mailing lists

15:31 <PovAddict> I got a private reply from a user complaining about something absolutely unrelated

15:39 <os2mac> Thanks for the help folks, I really appreciate it, not a day goes by in this business that I don't get reminded that I am not as good at computer related stuff as I think I am.

15:40 <PovAddict> eh, both MTughan and me have touched the source code of BOINC, and we're both stuck on your problem too, so... :P

16:02 <os2mac> doesn't matter though, it's not very often that you find someone willing to help to the extent that you have attempted and I know when I go to those lengths it's nice to have someone show appreciation for the effort.

16:03 <PovAddict> did you try adding "nameserver 208.67.220.220" to resolv.conf?

16:03 <PovAddict> (that's for OpenDNS; feel free to use Google DNS instead or whatever)

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16:07 <os2mac> PovAddict: yes I tried that, it didn't work. nor did adding those DNS to the network settings add those dns to resolv.conf

16:07 <PovAddict> did you restart BOINC too?

16:07 <os2mac> no I did not. lemme try that

16:09 <os2mac> dud.

16:09 <os2mac> duh.

16:09 <os2mac> I mean.

16:10 <os2mac> that worked. so the real issue is that in the current version of OSX adding DNS to the network settings doesn't modify resolv.conf.

16:10 <os2mac> and that BOINC reads them on startup but not again.

16:37 <os2mac> thanks again guys.

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16:55 <xcamel> re-hi

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18:05 <PovAddict> weird

18:05 <PovAddict> I have two running SETI tasks

18:05 <PovAddict> one claims 1 second elapsed and 100% completed in the manager

18:06 <PovAddict> the other claims 2 seconds elapsed and 700% completed

18:06 <PovAddict> one has been actually using CPU for six hours

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19:06 <PovAddict> seems to be working properly now

19:06 <PovAddict> looks like a boinc client miscompilation somehow :/

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19:48 <CoderForLife> a discombobulation, PovAddict

19:49 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

19:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 80.7F / 27.1C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 60s. South winds around 5 mph.; Independence Day - Partly sunny. Highs around 90. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;

19:49 <PovAddict> from the symptoms, I can sort of guess what was happening...

19:49 <CoderForLife> a perfect day today

19:49 <CoderForLife> hot one tomorrow

19:49 <PovAddict> WU started, and seconds went 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, then it went back to 1 for what seemed to be 10 seconds... then 2...

19:49 <CoderForLife> :?

19:49 <PovAddict> so looks like it was showing only the least significant digit (!)

19:50 <CoderForLife> oppsey

19:50 <PovAddict> er most

19:50 <CoderForLife> big endian

19:50 <CoderForLife> kinda

19:50 <PovAddict> so after 99 seconds, I guess it'd get stuck at 1 for 100 more seconds

19:50 <CoderForLife> personal record today: 16,140 steps

19:50 <PovAddict> 0:00:01

19:51 <CoderForLife> 6.62 miles walked

19:51 <PovAddict> :o

19:51 <CoderForLife> mostly around the outside of the house

19:51 <PovAddict> my dad recently had to shrink his watch one more notch

19:52 <CoderForLife> I'm holding for now at max-120 pounds

19:52 * CoderForLife answers an alarm on his new iPhone

19:53 <CoderForLife> this iPhone 4 is sweet - quite a step up from the 3G I was carrying

19:53 <PovAddict> I'm sure the higher screen res is really noticeable

19:54 <CoderForLife> indeed

19:55 <CoderForLife> it almost sparkles

19:56 * PovAddict compiles SpiritJB

19:59 <CoderForLife> jailbreak?!

20:00 <CoderForLife> would violate my developer agreement

20:01 <CoderForLife> time to fetch a snack, and then work on my Code

20:03 <CoderForLife> bbiab

20:12 <PovAddict> wow

20:12 <PovAddict> it was crashing after transferring half the needed file

20:12 <PovAddict> tried several times

20:12 <PovAddict> I switched USB ports and it worked :|

20:37 <CoderForLife> USB haxor

20:39 * PovAddict hates his DNS provider

20:39 <PovAddict> I made a change on the website, adding a new subdomain

20:40 <PovAddict> got the message saying the zone was reloaded and changes would take effect in at most an hour

20:40 <PovAddict> 22 hours later... their authoritative nameservers are still giving the old info

20:41 <CoderForLife> csn you control the replication time?

20:41 <CoderForLife> er can

20:42 <PovAddict> *none* of their DNS servers is giving the new info, only the web form to edit zones has the new subdomain

20:43 <PovAddict> I guess I get what I pay for

20:45 <CoderForLife> who do you think you are that you should get good service?  =)

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20:46 <PovAddict> yeah :/

20:48 <PovAddict> current status: ns0 times out, ns1 gives old info (takes 254ms), ns2 gives old info (takes 486ms)

20:48 * CoderForLife puts his bills in order by due date, and starts paying them

20:49 <CoderForLife> your NSes suk, BTW

20:50 <CoderForLife> HTH  =)

20:50 <PovAddict> those reply times are waaay to high

20:50 <PovAddict> too*

20:50 <CoderForLife> yeah, they must be spending all that time sucking

20:51 * CoderForLife figures out which of the 6 bills he has needs to get paid tonight

20:52 <PovAddict> &dice 1d6

20:52 <Romulus> PovAddict: 4

20:53 <CoderForLife> answer: 2

20:53 <CoderForLife> I always pay ones due in the next 2 weeks

20:54 <desti> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo_atl.shtml

20:54 <Romulus> Title: Atlantic Graphical Tropical Weather Outlook (at www.nhc.noaa.gov)

20:54 <PovAddict> why do they use all-uppercase?

20:54 <PovAddict> to send it in morse code over telegraph more easily? :)

20:55 <CoderForLife> dah-dit-dit

20:55 <CoderForLife> dit-dit-dit-dah  dit-dit-dit-dah

20:56 * CoderForLife checks his bank balance

20:56 <CoderForLife> yup - the big check I wrote for the house painting has hit

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22:00 <CoderForLife> several big fireworks displays underway in the neighborhood

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22:12 <PovAddict> already? what time is it?

22:12 <CoderForLife> 10:12pm

22:12 <CoderForLife> July 3

22:13 <CoderForLife> it goes on for a couple night before, during and after July 4th

22:13 <PovAddict> we have new years for that

22:14 <CoderForLife> yes, that too

22:20 <CoderForLife> well - show's over

22:20 <CoderForLife> musta run out of money, or matches

22:21 <PovAddict> or they blew something up

23:16 <CoderForLife> could be - I'll probably have some rocket casings to pick up tomorrow off the yard

23:18 <CoderForLife> gn

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