IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2010-08-07

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08:49 <xcamel> 'lo GG

08:49 <GaelicGrime> 'llo xcamel :)

09:00 <xcamel> and TGG

09:00 <_Danilo_>

09:00 <Romulus> <> (at

09:18 <quail> have you signed the petition against software patents

09:22 <bastik> too less Australians signed it's below 1000

09:26 <quail> TheGasGiant: howdy mate, how you been?

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10:09 <dashs> Commandline boinc ignores the pref for max_cpus, why?

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10:46 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

10:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 69.6F / 20.9C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.69in / 1005.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.7mph / 2.7km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 80s. East winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Light and variable winds...becoming light southeast winds after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper (1 more message)

10:47 <CoderForLife> &more

10:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 80s. South winds around 5 mph.;

10:47 <CoderForLife> hello all

10:47 <CoderForLife> I snuck out of bed and am sitting at my desk

10:48 <CoderForLife> feels strange to be so upright

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11:16 <dashs> Commandline boinc ignores the pref for max_cpus (linux), why?

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14:22 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

14:22 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 87.2F / 30.7C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Today - Sunny. High in the upper 80s. South wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 70s. South wind 10 to 15 (1 more message)

14:23 <wdsmia_> &more

14:23 <Romulus> wdsmia_: mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Hot and humid. High in the lower 90s. South wind 10 to 15 mph. Highest heat index readings 103 to 108 in the afternoon.;

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14:53 <CoderForLife> hmm  still quite a bit ouchy

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15:16 <CoderForLife> stay young, PovAddict

15:17 <PovAddict> deja vu

15:17 <CoderForLife> all over again

15:18 <CoderForLife> or that old feeling of vuja de - knowing your someplace you've *never* been before

15:18 <CoderForLife> er you're

15:20 <CoderForLife> (thank you, George Carlin)

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15:21 <CoderForLife> moo

15:21 <PovAddict> I just had a power outage

15:21 <efc> moo

15:21 <CoderForLife> was it a planned outage?

15:21 <PovAddict> and now I smell something... wonder if my UPS is literally burning

15:21 <CoderForLife> may be way under voltage

15:23 <PovAddict> I heard some clicks from the UPS... will take a look

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15:25 <CoderForLife> oops

15:25 <CoderForLife> one click too many

15:27 <efc> &roulette

15:27 <Romulus> efc: *click*

15:28 <CoderForLife> maybe the UPS was playing

15:29 <efc> His seems to get used a lot

15:29 <efc> I'd read somewhere that the batteries are only good for a couple of complete discharges

15:32 <efc> I'd like to get one with external terminals

15:32 <efc> hook it up to a bank of deep-cycle batteries

15:32 <efc> And be ready for TEOTWAWKI

15:35 <efc> I think it would still be able to charge them, it would just take forever

15:35 <CoderForLife> are you suddenly a believer?

15:36 <CoderForLife> one of *those*?

15:36 <efc> I never said I wasn't.. Just that you were one of them..

15:36 <CoderForLife> heh

15:37 <efc> looked at a place yesterday. not really far out enough for a survivalist.

15:37 <CoderForLife> survivalists are far out

15:39 <efc> It had a catfish pond, with some substantial catfish

15:39 <CoderForLife> good for barter

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15:41 <CoderForLife> would get old as a food source

15:42 * CoderForLife continues Coding while post op recovery continues

15:43 <CoderForLife> still pretty ouchy today - but this is only day 2 afterwards

15:48 <efc> What got op'd ?

15:48 <efc> Nothing you don't have two of, I hope

15:50 <CoderForLife> hernia, right side - fortunately I don't have a spare hernia

15:50 <CoderForLife> just another step along the road to a Better Me

15:51 <CoderForLife> as I said here before - trying to get all these things done before the health care system collapses

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16:02 <CoderForLife> looks like Pov is down for awhile

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16:07 <efc> I'm sure that you'll get a good death panel.

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16:11 <CoderForLife> I have no worries - when she's elected Sarah will take care of those for me

16:26 <CoderForLife> just had a power drop-out here

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16:50 <CoderForLife> din-din

17:21 <CoderForLife> back

17:22 <TheGasGiant> mornin' folks

17:23 <TheGasGiant> syncing in progress

17:24 <CoderForLife> hey Paul

17:25 <TheGasGiant> syncing complete

17:25 <TheGasGiant> hola Don

17:25 <CoderForLife> how b u

17:25 <TheGasGiant> not 2 bad

17:26 <CoderForLife> I'll accept that as a "good report"

17:26 <CoderForLife> I'm mending

17:26 <TheGasGiant> seeing a surgeon about my hernia in 10 days

17:26 <CoderForLife> had hernia surgery Thursday

17:27 <TheGasGiant> open cut or "pin hole"

17:27 <CoderForLife> open

17:27 <CoderForLife> right side, inguinal

17:27 <TheGasGiant> all ouch I suppose

17:27 <TheGasGiant> too

17:27 <CoderForLife> pretty ouchy ATM

17:27 <TheGasGiant> eeek

17:28 <CoderForLife> at first I felt like they had mistakenly sewn my chin to my knee

17:28 <TheGasGiant> how long are you off w#$^ for

17:28 <TheGasGiant> lol

17:28 <CoderForLife> a couple of weeks

17:28 <TheGasGiant> wow

17:28 <CoderForLife> planning to go back on the 23rd

17:28 <CoderForLife> at least part time

17:29 <CoderForLife> in the mean time, I'm laying here in bed Coding like a fiend

17:29 <TheGasGiant> any specifc excercises you need to do in the mean time

17:29 <CoderForLife> no - don't drive for a week, don't lift anything over 15 pounds

17:29 <TheGasGiant> brb...wife needs comp for minute

17:29 <CoderForLife> k

17:29 <CoderForLife> hb

17:35 <TheGasGiant> b

17:35 <CoderForLife> wb

17:35 <TheGasGiant> a long minute

17:36 <CoderForLife> I can breathe again

17:36 <TheGasGiant> what triggered you to get your hernia done?

17:36 <CoderForLife> becoming an exercise hinderance - had it for a long time - able to see it with the fat off

17:37 <TheGasGiant> ahh...yes I can relate to some of that

17:37 <TheGasGiant> so what're you coding atm?

17:38 <CoderForLife> back on my big project

17:38 * TheGasGiant holds breath until CFL/TG tells me what the 'big project' is....

17:39 <CoderForLife> just got a basic feature running this afternoon - onto the next step

17:39 * TheGasGiant thinks CFL is a very slow coder or it is a very BIG project.... :p

17:40 <CoderForLife> I have a 2x full time j@%

17:41 <TheGasGiant> lol

17:41 <CoderForLife> the only time I can do my stuff is in-between w@#% and homew@#%

17:41 <CoderForLife> and then there's taking care of the house, etc

17:41 <TheGasGiant> and full time for the next 2 weeks

17:42 <CoderForLife> pretty much - although I have plenty of homew@#% while on disability

17:42 <CoderForLife> but this is major Go Time for my stuff

17:42 <TheGasGiant> hmmm....disability, makes it sound worse

17:43 <CoderForLife> it is a short term disability insurance claim

17:43 <TheGasGiant> much 'out of pocket' will you be in the end?

17:43 <CoderForLife> I use my sick days, then insurance kicks in a pays 100% of my salary each day for a period of time

17:43 <CoderForLife> I'm vested after 10 years, so it's 100%

17:44 <TheGasGiant> ahh...salary insurance we call it

17:44 <CoderForLife> at some point it would turn into long term disability

17:44 <CoderForLife> I forget how long that is

17:45 <CoderForLife> I like "salary insurance" rather than STD =)

17:45 <efc> if we get sick the co. sends a guy out to shoot us

17:45 <TheGasGiant> lol...moo eddie

17:45 <CoderForLife> you southerners are just so practical

17:46 <TheGasGiant> my boss would like to shoot us

17:46 <CoderForLife> any reason given?

17:47 <TheGasGiant> but then again, I'd like to shoot my the feeling is mutual

17:47 <TheGasGiant> he just sees the workforce as a profit reduction and not and assest to make money...

17:47 <TheGasGiant> 'an'

17:48 <CoderForLife> he sounds like an assest

17:48 <TheGasGiant> whinges and moans all the time about how much salaries are

17:48 <CoderForLife> just about the ass-est one I've heard of in awhile

17:48 <TheGasGiant> a very big ass

17:49 <CoderForLife> souch is the cost of gettihg w@#% done

17:49 <TheGasGiant> true..and doing it well with good people

17:49 <CoderForLife> er such

17:50 <CoderForLife> the old iron triangle - do you want it good, fast or cheap? - choose one

17:50 <TheGasGiant> you mean I can't have them all!

17:50 <TheGasGiant> how about 2 out of 3

17:51 <CoderForLife> I guess it would depend on your definitions

17:52 <TheGasGiant> i'm going to grab some b/ shortly

17:52 <CoderForLife> k

17:52 <CoderForLife> hf

17:52 <CoderForLife> I'll be Coding here

17:55 <TheGasGiant> still coding in java?

17:55 * CoderForLife will actually be Coding on his local laptop, not looking continually at the remore connection to his desktop

17:56 <CoderForLife> oh

17:56 <CoderForLife> um

17:56 <CoderForLife> this is mostly PHP right now

17:56 <TheGasGiant> ahh web interaction?

17:56 <CoderForLife> I'll be coding soon enough in several languages

17:56 <TheGasGiant> country and western?

17:57 <CoderForLife> right now for this phase - all web interaction

17:58 <CoderForLife> yeah - you got it exactly =P

17:58 <TheGasGiant> got the DB side of it worked out?

17:58 <CoderForLife> how'd you guess?

17:58 <CoderForLife> oh yes - db worked out long ago

17:59 <TheGasGiant> your own or a buy in?

17:59 <CoderForLife> MySQL and SQLlite DBs

17:59 <TheGasGiant> no version changes that screw things up in the mean time?

18:00 <CoderForLife> of course not =)

18:00 <TheGasGiant> lol...

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18:04 <TheGasGiant> i see dnetc web site is unreachable atm...

18:06 <CoderForLife> couldn't prove it by me - wazzat?

18:06 <TheGasGiant> lol...forgot you aren't boincing any more

18:07 <CoderForLife> I am - minimally

18:07 <CoderForLife>  ?

18:07 <Romulus> Title: DNETC@HOME (at

18:07 <TheGasGiant> yup

18:07 <CoderForLife> reachable

18:09 <TheGasGiant> hmm..that's odd

18:10 <CoderForLife>

18:10 <TheGasGiant> when i use this it doesn't work

18:10 <Romulus> Title: DNETC@HOME (at

18:10 <CoderForLife> Rommie is happy

18:10 <TheGasGiant> but when i used the link you provided it's fine

18:11 <CoderForLife> your link works for me and Rommie

18:12 <TheGasGiant> worked for me now as well

18:12 <TheGasGiant> go figure

18:12 <CoderForLife> kwitcherbitchin =)

18:12 <TheGasGiant> mofo ;)

18:12 <CoderForLife> heh

18:18 <CoderForLife> how's winter in Melbourne treating you?

18:19 <TheGasGiant> blue sky today..but chilly

18:19 <TheGasGiant> &weather ymml

18:19 <efc> rather nice here for once

18:19 <Romulus> TheGasGiant: Temperature: 45F / 7C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Unknown. High:44 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:37 F.; Clear. High:55 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:41 F.; Chance of Rain. High:60 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F.;

18:19 <CoderForLife> Pov is struggling a bit in AR

18:19 <TheGasGiant> must get plumber in to clean out storm water drains

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18:20 <CoderForLife> power is a problem for him

18:20 <TheGasGiant> we're OK for power...and the water storages are the highest they've been for 3 yrs

18:21 <TheGasGiant> but still only 37%

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18:21 <TheGasGiant>

18:21 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:23 <TheGasGiant> between climate change and population growth the pressure on storages is a problem - in both the short term and long term

18:23 <CoderForLife> TEOTWAWKI - right, efc?

18:24 * TheGasGiant scratches head

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18:24 <CoderForLife> &google TEOTWAWKI

18:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TEOTWAWKI - Wiktionary: <>;, where survivalism rocks! - TEOTWAWKI: <>; TEOTWAWKI Blog: <>; Three Views of TEOTWAWKI: <>; Glossary: (1 more message)

18:26 <TheGasGiant> ahhh

18:27 <CoderForLife> I'm expecting financial collapse

18:27 <CoderForLife> but I'm just a pessimist

18:27 * TheGasGiant thinks there is an undercurrent of another 'secret' organisation within members of the #boinc folks

18:28 <TheGasGiant> lol...I'm expecting that a few people are going to get very rich during the financial collapse

18:28 <TheGasGiant> the dead cat bounce hasn't occurred yet

18:29 <TheGasGiant> we'll have to start the AIFF organisation

18:30 <CoderForLife> heh

18:31 <TheGasGiant> coffee...brb

18:33 <CoderForLife> k

18:38 <TheGasGiant> the milk tastes a little wrong

18:43 <CoderForLife> roo milk?

18:43 <TheGasGiant> man made I believe...

18:44 <TheGasGiant> originally from cows, but through many industrial processes before it gets to my fridge

18:45 <CoderForLife> mooving through the processes

18:45 <TheGasGiant> lol...good one

18:46 <CoderForLife> I tried to say "homoogenized" but couldn't spell it

18:46 <TheGasGiant> ROFL

18:46 <TheGasGiant> i'm going to hit the road and get ready for the day

18:46 * CoderForLife reckons that's close enough

18:47 <CoderForLife> OK - get chatting - I need to focus on Coding - retirement is waiting for me

18:47 <CoderForLife> huh?

18:47 <TheGasGiant> ...and me ;)

18:47 <CoderForLife> thx for chatting

18:47 <TheGasGiant> thank you

18:47 * CoderForLife looks at his fingers

18:47 <TheGasGiant> have a great evening coding

18:47 <CoderForLife> tc

18:48 <TheGasGiant> catch u l8r

18:48 <CoderForLife> cya

18:48 <TheGasGiant> cya...and awaaay

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20:14 <CoderForLife> gn all

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22:37 <PovAddict> &seen CoderForLife

22:37 <Romulus> PovAddict: CoderForLife was last seen in #boinc 2 hours, 22 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <CoderForLife> gn all

22:40 <efc> moo

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22:46 <PovAddict> moo

22:47 <PovAddict> two problems almost completely diagnosed, fix will take longer

22:49 <PovAddict> strange smell from computer room, eventually taking over the house (or so my family says, they have better nostrils than me)... tracked down to the UPS with 80% certainty

22:51 <PovAddict> no strong smell inside computer case, nothing obviously burst or smoking

22:51 <PovAddict> smell started shortly after the brief power outage ended

22:52 <PovAddict> and it *seemed* to smell worse under the desk closer to the UPS... so all arrows point to it

22:53 <efc> You would make a good beta tester for UPSs

22:54 <PovAddict> next problem

22:54 <PovAddict> my ear blockage+pain diagnosed to be an infection

22:56 <PovAddict> so I have to put these drops in my ear every 8 hours, and take a brick-sized pill every 12

22:57 <efc> Yuck. Well, at least you know what it is.

23:00 <PovAddict> it's absolutely terrible! I have to *wake up at 7am* to get my ear canal wet, when usually I sleep till noon

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23:05 <PovAddict> back to the electronic smell... my dad says it smelled like electrolyte

23:08 <PovAddict> he fixed computers back when you had to (and could!) desolder chips by hand and put new ones in, and when those 'computers' took up a room

23:09 <PovAddict> so I'm sure he learned the characteristic smells of several electronic components on fire

23:10 <PovAddict> what are the difficulies/dangers of disassembling a UPS?

23:15 <efc> charged caps is all, I'd guess

23:19 <PovAddict> step 1duh: disconnect all external cables

23:20 <PovAddict> step 2duh: remove battery

23:21 <PovAddict> step 3: tear apart the damn thing using your bare hands!

23:22 <PovAddict> hmm that doesn't sound right

23:23 <PovAddict> efc: how charged could charged caps be?

23:25 <PovAddict> would an UPS have a capacitor supporting 240v directly? and how big would such a thing be?

23:26 <efc> the big ones would be filter caps, maybe 2 cm high?

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23:34 <PovAddict> mostly worried about how much voltage could exist in there once disassembled, unplugged and no batt?

23:36 <efc> I've heard old TVs can hold a charge for weeks.

23:36 <efc> Not sure if thats in the caps or what.

23:36 <efc> But you can discharge them to be sure, use a 1 M ohm resistor or a screwdriver or something

23:37 <PovAddict> just

23:37 <PovAddict> just wondering if I could stumble upon a cap

23:38 <PovAddict> just wondering if I could stumble upon a cap with the full 220v in

23:38 <PovAddict> or if the *battery* voltage is the worst I can find

23:38 <efc> The filters would be at battery, I think

23:40 <efc> Are you hoping to fix it? Or just autopsy?

23:45 <PovAddict> if it's 'just a capacitor', maybe we could fix it

23:46 <PovAddict> otherwise, autopsy, but not breaking anything, so APC support can take their turn in trying to fix it

23:47 <efc> a blown electrolytic cap is pretty obvious

23:47 <efc> might be able to fix, if it didn't take anything else out

23:49 <PovAddict> we did nothing yet

23:50 <PovAddict> I just took  the battery off to find evidence of magic smoke having come out, but it looked OK

23:50 <PovAddict> no screw unscrewed from unit yet

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