IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2010-12-06

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02:17 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 29F / -2C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the mid 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph.; Monday Night - Clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

02:17 <MTughan> Morning efc.

02:18 <MTughan> At least you have some calm wind....

02:18 <MTughan> &wx YYZ

02:18 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 26.8F / -2.9C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Tonight - Flurries. Amount 5 to 10 cm(2.0 to 3.9 in). Wind northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light this evening. Low -5C(23F).; Monday - Flurries. Amount 5 to 10 cm(2.0 to 3.9 in). Wind becoming (1 more message)

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02:55 <efc> brr

03:00 <efc> oh snow, pretty1

03:00 <efc> &wx yakutsk

03:00 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -35F / -37C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Scattered Clouds. High:-25 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-34 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-29 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-41 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-29 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-54 F.;

03:01 <efc> nice lows

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06:16 <wdsmia> &more

06:16 <Romulus> wdsmia: Northwest wind around 5 mph.;

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10:34 <miha> is there a boinc project to decrypt wikileaks stuff?

10:34 <miha> http://www.zerohedge.com/article/who-will-be-first-decrypt-wikileaks-insurance-file

10:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/23bpkf7> (at www.zerohedge.com)

10:37 <PovAddict> I wouldn't want 1.4GB workunit input files :)

10:37 <PovAddict> and that file isn't decryptable with all the computers currently contributing to BOINC running 24/7

10:40 <PovAddict> and it'd be a bad idea to decrypt it... the plan was to release the encrypted file, then if the govt shuts down wikileaks, they'll release the decryption key

10:41 <miha> PovAddict perhaps we are lucky... i know the story about it.. but i don't like censorship...

10:41 <miha> :)

10:41 <PovAddict> the whole strategy breaks down if the key is found now

10:42 <miha> PovAddict well.... i'm just being selfish :)

10:42 <miha> not that i looked at those 1000 cables, but what i hear in mainstream media doesnt shock or even surprise..

10:43 <miha> however diplomatic stuff is boring... i want high level bank fraud details.. now that's explosive :D

10:43 <miha> you see they didnt really prosecute wikileaks until bank of america was promised...

10:43 <miha> :D

10:44 <miha> that's why ZH wants to see it decrypted :D

10:44 <PovAddict> I think the initial release had only 500 cables

10:45 <miha> PovAddict well it was fun so far.. our PM wanted to trade two guantanamo inmates for Obama's 20 mins fotosession, even daily show noticed my tiny country :)

10:45 <miha> funny thing, he's leftie, and lefties always hated america, now their lefty is revealed as cheap :)

10:46 <miha> as that book hitchhiker's guide said... "mostly harmless"

10:46 <miha> :D

10:46 <miha> sorry, offtopic, how are you PovAddict

10:47 <miha> but i really wanted to ask about boinc project :)

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14:58 <ntat> Hi

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15:59 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:54 <ntat> Hi

16:55 <ntat> How do I show BOINC`s icon in tray on Ubuntu?

16:55 <PovAddict> what BOINC version?

16:55 <Romulus> I guess what BOINC version is it, PovAddict

16:56 <ntat> 6.10.56

16:57 <PovAddict> I think 6.12 will have a tray icon on Linux

16:58 <ntat> Hm, but on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php is only 6.10.58

16:58 <PovAddict> yep

16:59 <PovAddict> when 6.12 is released, it will have a tray icon on Linux

16:59 <ntat> ah ok

17:02 <ntat> PovAddict,  do you know when the new version becomes available?

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17:37 <xcamel> boinc has a tray icon in linux if you set it up right...

17:38 <PovAddict> that's KDE giving apps a tray icon

17:38 <PovAddict> BOINC itself has a tray icon since 6.12

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18:35 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 24.0F / -4.4C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.39in / 995.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers. The low in the lower 20s. West winds around 15 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Tuesday - Cloudy. The high around 30. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Tuesday (1 more message)

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18:35 <Romulus> xcamel: Night - Mostly cloudy. The low around 20. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

18:50 * CoderForLife salutes boincfolk and starts on w@#% homew@#%

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18:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers. Highs in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill as low as 5 below in the morning.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows 10 to 15. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

18:50 <CoderForLife> pretty darn cold

18:50 <CoderForLife> gn all

19:33 <xcamel> laterz..

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19:56 <jackygrahamez> hi

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19:58 <xcamel> hi/by

19:59 <jackygrahamez> Hi Tim

20:00 <TimT> hey Jack!

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20:10 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Anyone know how to prove to my parents that BOINC is secure, and not a bandwidth hog?

20:10 <PovAddict> "secure" and "bandwidth hog" aren't mutually exclusive concepts...

20:11 <hmmwhatsthisdo> well, they think BOINC is a huge hole for trojan horses, and that it takes up a helluva lot of bandwidth

20:12 <PovAddict> BOINC is as secure as the projects you attach to

20:12 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I understand that

20:12 <PovAddict> BOINC is downloading programs from remote servers and running them, but you do that when you download a game with your web browser too :P

20:12 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ya

20:12 <hmmwhatsthisdo> but, they think that it by definition is a trojan horse target itself (apparently because SETI@home got hacked in the late 90s)

20:13 <PovAddict> however! on most platforms, BOINC does all that in a separate user account with no access to any of your files

20:13 <hmmwhatsthisdo> yes

20:13 <PovAddict> so let's see...

20:13 <hmmwhatsthisdo> that's one

20:13 <hmmwhatsthisdo> but they don't believe me

20:14 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I need like, well-known websites saying it's safe

20:14 <PovAddict> "a million people can't be wrong"?

20:14 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ^^

20:14 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they're those kind of people

20:14 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I showed them the announcement that Sony is shipping it w/ all new VAIO computers, but I need more

20:14 <PovAddict> World Community Grid is run by IBM

20:14 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ^^

20:15 <hmmwhatsthisdo> that's another

20:15 <PovAddict> I have personally seen the BOINC screensaver on an IBM employee's laptop, I asked him about it and he said all employees are encouraged to run it

20:16 <hmmwhatsthisdo> mmkay

20:16 <PovAddict> (it wasn't actually computing at that moment though, since it's good at draining laptop batteries :P)

20:16 <hmmwhatsthisdo> what about BOINC's sandboxing, code signing, and MD5 checking?

20:16 <PovAddict> ah yes

20:16 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Is there somewhere that proves that?

20:17 <PovAddict> even *IF* I manage to hack into a project server (with the "big ones" like WCG or SETI, fat chance), I can't send my torjan horses to volunteer computers

20:17 <PovAddict> because computers will reject it, unless it's signed by the project's key

20:18 <PovAddict> and code signing key is in a computer disconnected from the network and physically secure (eg. in a locked room)

20:18 <PovAddict> and even IF I manage to get past that and send my malicious code to you, it will run in a locked-down user account in your computer

20:19 <PovAddict> which not only can't access stuff in your account, but also can't even control the BOINC client

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20:25 <PovAddict> hmmwhatsthisdo: either way, you should take the usual precautions as when downloading programs, not all BOINC projects have the same level of trust...

20:25 <PovAddict> hmmwhatsthisdo: WCG is run by IBM, Rosetta@Home is run by the University of Washington, Einstein@Home is run by another long-named university I don't remember, FreeHAL@Home is run by a 16 year old kid and had many server security issues already

20:26 <PovAddict> bbl dinner ->

20:30 <hmmwhatsthisdo> PovAddict: Mmhmm. I know they're all run by prestigious universities, but they're problem is that they think people on the internet are lying, and are simply pulling this out of their rears.

20:42 <TimT> well, honestly, no matter what you do on the internet, your internet surfing is no safer than boinc,

20:43 <hmmwhatsthisdo> well, I get that

20:43 <TimT> if they use IE8, thats their biggest problem, not Boinc!

20:43 <hmmwhatsthisdo> my parents don't

20:44 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they are also the ones who are taking my internet cable away when I'm not on homework and are threatening to install monitoring software on my computer

20:44 <TimT> which projects do you contribute too?

20:44 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Rosetta

20:44 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Milkyway

20:44 <hmmwhatsthisdo> SETI

20:44 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Leiden Classical

20:45 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Spinhedge

20:45 <hmmwhatsthisdo> Quantum Monte Carlo

20:45 <hmmwhatsthisdo> WCG

20:46 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I need some sort of trusted source proving that BOINC is a good thing, and is secure

20:46 <hmmwhatsthisdo> (to the best of it's ability)

20:46 <TimT> who's your isp? do they cap and charge for bandwithd?

20:46 <hmmwhatsthisdo> TDS, no cap/charge

20:46 <TimT> well, theirs 1 plus...

20:47 <hmmwhatsthisdo> we don't even pay for it, but they still think BOINC is always connected and is constantly sucking up bandwitdh

20:47 <hmmwhatsthisdo> *bandwidth

20:48 <hmmwhatsthisdo> and, they also mistook my GPU fan for my hdd, and think it's stealing my data

20:48 <hmmwhatsthisdo> (but that's my own problem to fix)

20:48 <TimT> show them the act log...

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20:49 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they think it's all faked

20:50 <TimT> boy oh boy,

20:51 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ya

20:51 <TimT> question, do your parents believe that global warming is fake as well?

20:51 <hmmwhatsthisdo> dunno

20:51 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I think so

20:51 <hmmwhatsthisdo> my father understands the concept, but my mother is a stubborn one, and thinks it's hacker bait

20:52 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I need like, a news article praising it

20:53 <TimT> gridrepublic on facebook

20:54 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ^^using

20:54 <hmmwhatsthisdo> but, they still think that hackers are going to compromise it and turn it into a botnet

20:54 <hmmwhatsthisdo> when I try to tell them why that's not possible, they simply pu-pu it because "I don't know what I don't know"

20:55 <TimT> tell them if it happen, i'll be happy to remote into the computer and clean it... i have a PC repair and Network Technician Certificate. will start work on my degree next year.

20:56 <TimT> we boincers take care of each other.

20:56 <hmmwhatsthisdo> no

20:56 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they srsly think that anyone on the internet offering help is a hacker

20:57 <hmmwhatsthisdo> so, no articles from trusted sources prasing BOINC?

20:57 <hmmwhatsthisdo> *praising

20:58 <TimT> oh, please i know a 4 year old that can work a computer beter than my cousin and shes 18... any one that has computer skills is a possible threat, in this day in age, the truth is, even DOD is at risk...

20:58 <TimT> um, hangon

20:59 <TimT> http://www.technewsdaily.com/8-cool-science-projects-that-can-run-right-on-your-home-computer-1270/

20:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3xnuzda> (at www.technewsdaily.com)

21:00 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ah.

21:00 <hmmwhatsthisdo> like that

21:00 <efc> You could compile your own binary, on some projects. Give them a source listing and see if they think its secure.

21:00 <TimT> brb while you read

21:00 <hmmwhatsthisdo> efc: they wouldn't understand it

21:01 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they can't read source code, and would probably misread it, or say that there could be stuff hidden insde

21:02 <efc> Yes I wasn't really serious, I studied s@h for a while and couldn't tell you that its perfect security-wise (like anything is)

21:02 <hmmwhatsthisdo> well, I tried to poke at the fact that Farmville isn't secure (my mother is addicted to it, and FB as well)

21:03 <hmmwhatsthisdo> she thinks FB is an impenetrable fortress

21:03 <TimT> Facebook = the #1 unsecure site in the world.

21:03 <efc> If you stick to well-known projects I'd say its way down on the list of security vulnerabilities.

21:03 <hmmwhatsthisdo> well, they don't believe that

21:03 <TimT> reason, i can be logged into mupltie places at once...

21:03 <efc> Due to the number of nerds constantly poking at it, its probably reasonably good.

21:03 <TimT> i've been logged into 4 computers and 3 places at once

21:04 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they think there are loads of people who are living in their parents' basements who are constantly trying to hack it, because of it's "potential"

21:05 <efc> botnet@home, I ran that for a while, the credits sucked :)

21:06 <hmmwhatsthisdo> lol

21:06 <hmmwhatsthisdo> well, they don't understand the concept of Workunits

21:06 <hmmwhatsthisdo> and they think I'm making all of this up to cover my rear

21:07 <hmmwhatsthisdo> sorry

21:07 <TimT> i think theirs a power point somewhere

21:07 <efc> you must have IRS auditors for parents, most kids computers are overrun with 10,000 smileys, edonkey and who knows what else

21:07 <hmmwhatsthisdo> ya

21:07 <hmmwhatsthisdo> they think they know everything about modern computing

21:08 <hmmwhatsthisdo> at least, that may have been true 30 years ago

21:08 <hmmwhatsthisdo> well, I have to skedaddle

21:08 <hmmwhatsthisdo> I'll be back in a few hours, so save anything you may find until then

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21:55 <PovAddict> [23:04] <hmmwhatsthisdo> they think there are loads of people who are living in their parents' basements who are constantly trying to hack it, because of it's "potential"

21:55 <PovAddict> Facebook would be far more interesting to hack :P

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