IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2010-12-31

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03:48 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h ; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:22 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:21 F.;

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07:26 <Error323> hello, can someone assist me a bit in setting up boinc? I'm getting "execvp(/home/fhuizing/boinc, --redirectio, --launched_by_manager) failed with error 2!"

07:31 <Error323> oh nvm, i'm an idiot

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08:10 <Error323> where can i setup boinc to use a different data disk?

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09:25 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

09:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 24.4F / -4.2C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Freezing Drizzle | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Much colder. Freezing rain with possible freezing drizzle or sleet and thunderstorms likely through mid morning...then light freezing rain likely...a slight chance of light snow and light sleet in the (2 more messages)

09:25 <wdsmia> &more

09:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: afternoon. No snow and sleet accumulation. Ice accumulation up to one tenth of an inch. High in the upper 20s. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the south in the afternoon. Gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Breezy...colder. Low 5 to 10 above. Southwest wind around 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; New Years Day - Partly sunny. (1 more message)

09:25 <wdsmia> &more

09:25 <Romulus> wdsmia: Breezy...colder. High 15 to 20. West wind 20 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 31, 2010;

10:20 <MTughan> Error323: Just start the daemon in a different directory, and you'll be good.

10:21 <MTughan> Alternatively, if you're always using the GUI manager to start it, move the boinc folder to where you want it to be on the destination drive, then softlink that folder back to your home folder, ~.

10:23 <Error323> MTughan: i'm using /etc/init.d, it starts up on linux system boot

10:25 <MTughan> Error323: Good. So add a cd command before you start the daemon.

10:26 <MTughan> I use an /etc/init.d script too, although mine is for the BOINC fork Synecdoche. I'm using a feature added there to change the working directory location, so my script can't be directly used with old BOINC.

10:26 <Error323> mmm

10:27 <Error323> MTughan: which version of boinc are you using ?

10:27 <Error323> cuz i'm @ 6.10.58

10:27 <MTughan> Like I said, I'm using a fork of BOINC named Synecdoche. It's loosely based on the BOINC 6.2 series clients.

10:28 <Error323> ah ok

10:32 <MTughan> If you're having trouble understanding what you need to modify, try pastebinning it, and I'll show you.

10:33 <Error323> well i assume i have to add "cd /x/y/z" in the /etc/init.d/boinc script.

10:33 <MTughan> That's right.

10:34 <Error323> MTughan: can i then just copy over the project stuff created now?

10:35 <MTughan> I would stop BOINC first, if you haven't already.

10:35 <MTughan> Not a good idea to swipe its data directory out from under it. ;)

10:35 <Error323> haha nope

10:37 <MTughan> For best results, you should allow all the existing tasks to complete and be reported, but that takes a long time.\

10:37 <MTughan> Shutting down BOINC should be enough for most workunits.

10:37 <Error323> yeah, welll they were at 25% or sth

10:38 <Error323> but it doesn't seem to work yet...

10:38 <MTughan> Oh, you shut down the GUI, but it's still running tasks?

10:38 <Error323> nono

10:39 <Error323> no i forgot that i need to add projects again :P

10:39 <MTughan> So you know the difference between the daemon and the manager then? ;)

10:39 <Error323> yes

10:39 <Error323> ofc :P

10:39 <MTughan> That's good. You're ahead of a lot of people who come here for help. :P

10:39 <Error323> lo

10:39 <Error323> lol

10:39 <MTughan> Anyway, what do you mean you need to add projects again?

10:41 <Error323> well after stopping the boinc-daemon, adding the cd command and starting the boinc-daemon again its not acknowledging its being run for the first time.

10:41 <Error323> and the directory remains empty

10:41 <Error323> but perhaps i can stop the daemon, copy over the data from the old dir?

10:41 <MTughan> If you moved the data directory to where the client is looking now, it wouldn't try a first-time run...

10:42 <Error323> so it seems indeed

10:42 <MTughan> Was that a thought process interrupted in the middle by reading my statement? :P

10:43 <Error323> heh

10:43 <Error323> shit

10:43 <wdsmia> asks Error323 to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

10:44 <Error323> ^_^

10:44 <Error323> MTughan: after moving the files to the new directory, and restarting the daemon it recreates the directory on my /var/lib/boinc dir -,-

10:45 <Error323> s/restarting/starting

10:45 <MTughan> I wonder... Maybe BOINC finally fixed that long-standing "bug". One sec.

10:47 <MTughan> It used to be that BOINC stored its data in the current directory when it was started, which was a bad idea for beginners.

10:48 <MTughan> Looks like it's got a hard-coded path at /var/lib/boinc now, I guess.

10:49 <Error323> that... or i'm doing sth stupid

10:49 <Error323> and its probably the last

10:49 <MTughan> Give me a sec to check the latest source.

10:51 <MTughan> Hey, BOINC comes with an /etc/init.d script now. :D

10:51 <Error323> MTughan: yes

10:51 <MTughan> Is that what you're using?

10:51 <Error323> yes

10:51 <Error323> so i altered it to: RUNTIME=/x/y/z

10:51 <Error323> and started, that seems to work

10:52 <MTughan> Perfect. Find the line that says "BOINCDIR=/var/lib/boinc" and change that.

10:52 <Error323> mmm i think my runtime script is different

10:52 <Error323> i'll pastebin it

10:53 <Error323> MTughan: well its working now anyway.

10:54 <Error323> http://pastebin.com/xQi0NT6k

10:54 <Romulus> Title: Bash | #!/sbin/runscript opts="${opts} attach" PIDFIL (at pastebin.com)

10:54 <MTughan> Wow... Yeah, that's way different.

10:55 <MTughan> Let me see if I can find this somewhere, and I can show you what I'm looking at.

10:55 <Error323> so i wonder where it gets the ${RUNTIMEDIR} from

10:55 <Error323> note that it _is_ working though =)

10:56 <MTughan> This is essentially what I'm looking at, but with a bit of stuff filled in by autoconf: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/svn/trunk/boinc/client/scripts/boinc-client.in

10:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3ykmq7x> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

10:57 <Error323> perhaps this script is gentoo specific

10:57 <Error323> ow, well that looks better

10:58 <Error323> is that version 6.10.58 ?

10:58 <MTughan> Depends on when it was last modified. The client versions are released occasionally from the trunk, that source. That's the latest it has.

10:59 <MTughan> Although it's likely from a couple versions back. SVN is telling me it hasn't been modified since March.

11:00 <Error323> hmmm

11:00 <Error323> i think this is gentoo specific

11:01 <MTughan> I'd agree. Considering create_work_directory() uses a hard-coded path for ca-certificates.crt, at /etc/ssl/certs.

11:01 <Error323> anyway, its crunching numbers like crazy again :D

11:01 <MTughan> Where'd you get this script from?

11:02 <Error323> gentoo servers itself, using "emerge boinc"

11:02 <Error323> it looks pretty hacky

11:02 <MTughan> Yeah, so they've created that script. Probably before the other was made.

11:03 <MTughan> Also considering that script asks to be executed by /sbin/runscript, which does not exist on my Fedora installation.

11:03 <Error323> it even has a bug

11:05 <Error323> oh no

11:05 <Error323> the vars are editable in /etc/init.d/boinc :$

11:05 <Error323> ehhh

11:06 <Error323> /etc/conf.d/boinc

11:06 <Error323> lol

11:06 <Error323> that makes more sense

11:08 <Error323> Well MTughan thanks for your help! Now its time for beer and food and stuff. Happy new year! :)

11:09 <MTughan> Heh, happy new year to you too.

11:09 <MTughan> Don't get too happy with the beer. ;)

11:09 <Error323> well... can't make any promises :P

11:09 <yoyo[RKN]> 7h left

11:10 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: You're UTC+1 then?

11:10 <yoyo[RKN]> right

11:10 <MTughan> Can't remember what Germany is.

11:10 <Error323> so am I

11:10 <Error323> netherlands

11:11 <MTughan> Ah. We have a lot of Dutch people around here, and I'm going to be at a combination New Years Eve and Birthday party for a Dutch friend. :P

11:11 <MTughan> His birthday is today. :P

11:14 <Error323> cool

11:14 <Error323> how come there are so many dutch here then?

11:14 <Error323> its not like we're a big country :P

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11:49 <Migi32> what are average values of your CPU temperature when you're running BOINC?

11:49 <yoyo[RKN]> 90C

11:49 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

11:49 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:22 F.; Chance of Snow. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:21 F.;

11:49 <Migi32> really? Mine's only going to 73C

11:50 <Migi32> does that mean something is throttling my CPU or something?

11:50 <yoyo[RKN]> don't know

11:50 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe my laptop cpu is a different one than yours

11:51 <Migi32> could be, it's a desktop, with some fans in it that might be bigger than your laptop altogether :P

11:51 <Migi32> j/k

11:54 <Migi32> and what about motherboard temperature?

11:57 <yoyo[RKN]> dont know

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12:20 <PovAddict> Migi32: it changes from one CPU to another

12:21 <PovAddict> Migi32: a Pentium 4 is spec'd as having a limit of 75°C (more than that and it will throttle, or burn :P)

12:22 <Migi32> PovAddict, yes I'm reading some more on it, even though information about this is pretty hard to find

12:23 <Migi32> it appears the max allowable temperature of my CPU is 71C, it's at 76C now...

12:23 <PovAddict> my CPU is at 40C without load

12:23 <Migi32> I didn't overclock or anything

12:24 <PovAddict> and on my system, higher room temperature makes the fan go faster instead of the CPU going hotter

12:24 <PovAddict> which means it's trying hard to keep it at 40C

12:25 <Migi32> another strange thing is that my CPU fan appears to be at constant 0 RPM

12:28 <PovAddict> look inside your computer case, if it seems to be spinning, no need to worry

12:28 <PovAddict> I see CPU fan speed 3729RPM

12:28 <PovAddict> but I don't see the fan speed of the chassis or power supply

12:28 <Migi32> does it spin constantly? or on and off?

12:29 <PovAddict> never seen a computer fan that can be controlled to be off

12:29 <PovAddict> they're always spinning (though speed could change)

12:29 <PovAddict> I don't see power supply and chassis fan speeds from software because those fans are connected directly to the power supply, not connected to the motherboard where it may measure speed or even control speed

12:29 <PovAddict> maybe the same is happening with your CPU fan

12:33 <Migi32> yea it's probably a software problem

12:34 <Migi32> I've been running BOINC fine for over 2 years already, had no problems with it yet. Just today I was bored and decided to check out my CPU temperature and other stats

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14:56 <xcamel> 'lo

14:56 <xcamel> another year in the books.

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15:19 <Tank_Master> yay :D

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16:46 <wdsmia> that book is starting to get awful thick

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17:48 <CoderForANewYear> evening

17:48 <CoderForANewYear> &wx 45140

17:48 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 59.5F / 15.3C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.63in / 1003.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Occasional showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; New Years Day - Occasional showers with a chance of (1 more message)

17:49 <CoderForANewYear> &more

17:49 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: thunderstorms in the morning. Highs in the lower 50s. Temperatures falling into the upper 30s in the afternoon. West winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Much colder with lows in the lower 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

17:49 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:49 <CoderForANewYear> hey Doug - HNY

17:50 <wdsmia> Bah Humbug!

17:50 <CoderForANewYear> OK

17:50 <wdsmia> lol

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18:06 <xcamel> still 36 here.. going for 50 tomorrow.

18:06 <CoderForANewYear> it was scary warm today - we de-decorated outside since it was nice

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18:07 <CoderForANewYear> it think it got to 66F

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18:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 23.1F / -4.9C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Breezy...colder. Scattered flurries after midnight. Low zero to 5 above. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph.; New Years Day - Mostly cloudy. Very cold. Windy. High 15 to 20. West wind 20 to 30 mph.; Saturday (1 more message)

18:12 <wdsmia> &more

18:12 <Romulus> wdsmia: Night - Partly cloudy. Breezy. Low 5 to 10 above. West wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph decreasing to 5 to 10 mph after midnight.; Special Weather Statement for Polk County in effect until 5:45 PM CST on December 31, 2010;

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18:20 <CoderForANewYear> TV time - gn and HNY

19:02 <efc> &wx 30625

19:02 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 57F / 14C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain with isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Light southeast winds. Chance of rain 30 percent.; New Years Day - Chance of showers with isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then (1 more message)

19:02 <efc> &more

19:02 <Romulus> efc: showers likely in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Saturday Night - Showers likely in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.;

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