IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2011-01-13

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01:38 <zeleftikam> does anyone know if Folding@Home is suddenly not supporting x86_64-apple-darwin?

01:39 <zeleftikam> i am getting the message platform x86_64-apple-darwin not found

01:39 <zeleftikam> and no work is loading

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01:41 <PovAddict> huh? since when Folding@Home is a BOINC project again?

01:41 <zeleftikam> er rosetta@home

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01:41 <PovAddict> ahh

01:42 <PovAddict> well rosetta seems to be having server troubles lately

01:42 <PovAddict> it'd be great if someone here had the time to resd through rosetta forums and then share the knowledge here about what's going on

01:43 <PovAddict> ahh

01:43 <PovAddict> er oops

01:44 <zeleftikam> yeah

01:44 <zeleftikam> i read about server troubles

01:44 <zeleftikam> but the server status page is all green

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03:53 <efc> I guess rectilinear is gone for good now

03:53 <efc> web page hasn't worked in months

03:54 <efc> google cache is as of Jan 10, 2011

03:54 <efc> but i can never get it

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04:45 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 20.7F / -6.3C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.51in / 1033.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely early...then scattered flurries late this morning and afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs in the mid 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

04:46 <CoderForLife> &more

04:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Lows 15 to 20. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:52 <efc> &wx 31088

04:52 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 22F / -6C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1032hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the upper 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill readings around 10.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows around 17. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:52 <efc> &more

04:52 <Romulus> efc: Error: That's all, there is no more.

04:52 <CoderForLife> moo

04:52 <efc> &moo

04:52 <Romulus> Dunno!

04:53 <CoderForLife> &moore

04:53 <Romulus> Wish I knew, CoderForLife.

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04:56 * efc should go for a ski trip

04:56 <CoderForLife> just step outside here

04:59 <efc> there's just a couple of ice cubes left here

04:59 <CoderForLife> in your drink?

05:01 <efc> we actually got ice and snow here

05:01 <efc> usually it cuts out between here and my parent's house about 80 miles north

05:02 <CoderForLife> you're having a Gorey winter

05:03 <efc> the news was telling everyone to cower in fear in their basement and wait for the government to give them permission to venture out

05:04 <CoderForLife> yeah - wait on the government - they'll be there soon with the school buses to evacuate you

05:05 <CoderForLife> Help Is On The Way

05:05 <efc> Its their job to clear the roads, not order us into hiding

05:07 <CoderForLife> you're one of those States Rights Truthers, aren't you?

05:07 <efc> which detention camp should I report to?

05:08 <CoderForLife> It's not PC for me to tell you the proper solution

05:09 <CoderForLife> why, you might decide to defend yourself against libelous charges

05:11 <CoderForLife> breakfast time

05:11 * CoderForLife goes downstairs

05:24 <efc> Did I mention my purchase of the fantastic 1973 book, "The Texas-Israeli War: 1999"

05:27 <efc> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rE4Y6iHgL.jpg

05:27 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4rqfagu> (at ecx.images-amazon.com)

05:41 <CoderForLife> Is it a Bolo book?  I love those autonomous, self-aware tanks.

06:17 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 3.4F / -15.9C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.61in / 1036.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High 15 to 20. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. West wind near 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind near 5 mph shifting to the south in (1 more message)

06:17 <wdsmia> &more

06:17 <Romulus> wdsmia: the afternoon.;

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06:38 <CoderForLife> wdsmia - Rommie says you can take the afternoon

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10:39 <ArMo3> When I add boinc as one of the services to be started at boot time, I just get "* Starting BOINC' and it hangs there.

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13:16 <PovAddict> ArMo3: what distro?

13:20 <ntat> Is any version of BOINC on Linux terminal (without graphic version)?

13:23 <PovAddict> sure, just don't use the GUI :P

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15:35 <ArMo3> PovAddict: Gentoo. ntat: No, GUI version.

15:35 <PovAddict> ArMo3: ntat was asking his own question, he didn't even see yours :P

15:36 <ArMo3> uh.. lol

15:36 <ntat> ;]

15:37 <ArMo3> PovAddict: Well, I managed to make it wait until the service `local' was started. Now I don't get VTs on ^ALT+{1|2|3|4|5}

15:37 <ArMo3> Boot processes simply hangs at that point

15:37 <PovAddict> the gentoo init.d script for boinc must be broken...

15:38 <ArMo3> It was masked on Gentoo.. I had to unmask it.

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15:42 <ArMo3> so any idea PovAddict

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18:18 <CoderForLife> 'sup

18:19 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 25.7F / -3.5C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows 15 to 20. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow after midnight. Near (1 more message)

18:19 <CoderForLife> &more

18:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: steady temperatures in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

18:24 <Calyp> http://www.whyweprotest.net/en/

18:24 <Romulus> Title: Why We Protest - Anonymous Declaration of Freedom (at www.whyweprotest.net)

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18:38 <CoderForLife_> what was my last status?

18:39 <PovAddict> [20:19] <CoderForLife> &more

18:39 <PovAddict> [20:19] <Romulus> CoderForLife: steady temperatures in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

18:39 <PovAddict> [20:38] <CoderForLife_> what was my last status?

18:39 <CoderForLife_> hmm

18:39 <CoderForLife_> lost all Internet connectivity

18:39 <PovAddict> well

18:39 <PovAddict> the end is near

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18:39 <PovAddict> http://ipv6.he.net/v4ex/sidebar/

18:39 <Romulus> Title: Bye Bye v4 (at ipv6.he.net)

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18:40 <CoderForLife> hmmm

18:40 <CoderForLife> yes - the end is at hand

18:41 <CoderForLife> last one out, turn off the lights

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18:57 <xcamel> there is no end to the ends that are near.

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19:10 <CoderForLife> that's the one enduring truth

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21:38 <lord_darwin> I am trying to rewrite my rc.boinc file to run BOINC as a non-wheel user, and I am having some problems.

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21:40 <lord_darwin> When I run it, boinc says 'cannot connect to localhost.'

21:47 <PovAddict> please understand the difference between the boinc client and boincmgr before trying such a task :P

21:48 <lord_darwin> my rc.boinc was already running the boinc client the way I used to use it.  I can pastebin it if you like

21:50 <lord_darwin> maybe when I run it from /usr/local/bin/BOINC it needs some other place to write data... could that be it?

21:51 <PovAddict> the boinc client writes data to its current working directory

21:51 <PovAddict> so just 'cd' to the proper directory before starting the client

21:51 <lord_darwin> but if the directory is owned by root, and I run it as a user, it might not be able to write there

21:52 <PovAddict> then you need to change the permissions of the directory

21:52 <lord_darwin> my rc.boinc already goes to /usr/local/bin/BOINC and runs it there

21:52 <lord_darwin> I see that directory is writable by anyone

21:52 <PovAddict> the data directory is in bin/BOINC?

21:53 <lord_darwin> /usr/local/bin/BOINC

21:53 <PovAddict> bin is for executable binaries

21:53 <lord_darwin> you can also put scripts there... and I thought part of BOINC is a binary.

21:54 <lord_darwin> It does not really matter where you put software on your system... there are several places that work.

21:54 <PovAddict> yes, and protein structures for Rosetta@Home to process are not executable binaries, neither are the XMLs describing client state and project accounts

21:56 <lord_darwin> that is why I put BOINC's entire folder in /usr/local/bin instead of just the contents of the folder there... are you suggesting there is some better place to put it?

21:59 <lord_darwin> Anyway, this seems to be avoiding the issue.  It has always worked fine in /usr/local/bin/BOINC

22:00 <lord_darwin> until I tried to run it as a new non-wheel user

22:00 <PovAddict> boinc never prints 'cannot connect to localhost.'

22:00 <PovAddict> boincmgr does

22:01 <lord_darwin> I did not mean the part of boinc that is called boinc, but whatever was doing that.  I suppose boincmgr prints that when boinc is not running... as I said, I can pastebin my rc.boinc somewhere if you want.

22:02 <PovAddict> make everything in /usr/local/bin/BOINC owned by whatever user the boinc daemon will be running as

22:03 <lord_darwin> as long as the scripts and executables are executable by any user, that should not be necessary

22:04 <PovAddict> that would make sense if there were only scripts and executables in bin/BOINC

22:04 <PovAddict> but every data file needs to be writable by the boinc client

22:07 <lord_darwin> I thought if I run something like 'su user -c ./boinc&' then they will be owned by the user running boinc....

22:08 <PovAddict> if that's the very first time you run boinc, yes

22:08 <PovAddict> because then boinc would create those files for the first time

22:09 <lord_darwin> I had changed my data to be owned by the user running it, and that did not work, so I deleted it, and after that the command I just wrote does not seem to work (I do have the user created I am using for it.)

22:09 <lord_darwin> (deleted the data)

22:10 <PovAddict> what does "ls -ld /usr/local/bin/BOINC" say?

22:10 <lord_darwin> actually, it may have worked for a while when I changed the data ownership

22:11 <lord_darwin> oh, it says that folder is not writable by other users: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2011-01-13 18:20 /usr/local/bin/BOINC/

22:11 <lord_darwin> I was looking at the wrong attribute

22:11 <PovAddict> chown it to the right user

22:11 <lord_darwin> I had it that way, then I realized executables are usually owned by root

22:12 <lord_darwin> but I will just make it writable by anyone

22:12 <lord_darwin> it is just on my home computer

22:12 <PovAddict> again, that would make sense if there were only executables in bin/BOINC :P

22:13 <lord_darwin> ok, where would be a better place to put it then?

22:13 <PovAddict> but you're letting state data get in there too :P

22:13 <PovAddict> well, just keep two separate directories, one for executables (boinc, boincmgr, boinccmd) and another for the data (use it as current directory when starting the client)

22:13 <lord_darwin> somewhere else in /usr? /var? /opt?

22:14 <PovAddict> /var/lib/boinc may be a good place... or maybe /usr/local/var/boinc

22:14 <PovAddict> for the data I mean

22:15 <lord_darwin> I think if I do it this way I will have to run binstall.sh from the data folder

22:16 <PovAddict> what's binstall.sh?

22:17 <lord_darwin> a file that was in my BOINC tar.gz that does something to files maybe named run_manager and run_boinc or run_client

22:18 <lord_darwin> maybe that would not be necessary... but I recall having to do something else to set up a data folder

22:20 <lord_darwin> actually my rc.boinc does not even use those files

22:21 <lord_darwin> I will try it how you explained

22:29 <lord_darwin> Great, it worked!

22:30 <lord_darwin> What do you guys think the best account manager on GNU/Linux is?

22:30 <PovAddict> an "account manager" is a web service and there's only two of them :P assuming you mean a GUI to control a local client... there aren't many alternatives really

22:32 <lord_darwin> actually, when I started running my GUI and went to the login to account manager, it showed three.

22:33 <PovAddict> well anyway, they are online services

22:33 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/bam/

22:33 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager (at boincstats.com)

22:35 <lord_darwin> Is this an official BOINC channel, or is one on scarynet or Undernet IRC official?

22:35 <lord_darwin> Oh, I see there is #boinc_dev

22:36 <PovAddict> devs rarely look here

22:36 <PovAddict> &any romw

22:36 <Romulus> PovAddict: romw was last seen in #boinc 11 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: *** RomW has quit IRC ()

22:40 <lord_darwin> I wish there was an account manager that could automatically connect you to all your projects

22:43 <PovAddict> well, BAM can somewhat easily let you connect to all your projects, if you used the same password on all of them

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22:46 <lord_darwin> I did... maybe it is just because I deleted my data and have to re-enter all the passwords

22:46 <PovAddict> erm, are you actually using BAM?

22:47 <lord_darwin> yes

22:47 <PovAddict> did you sign-up at http://boincstats.com/bam/register.php and tell it to look for your project accounts?

22:47 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats/BAM! | Register (at boincstats.com)

22:48 <lord_darwin> I signed up there years ago, and after I 'synchronize with BAM,' my GUI shows all my accounts, but does not sign on

22:48 <PovAddict> does http://boincstats.com/bam/projects.php show all your projects?

22:48 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats/BAM! | Project list (at boincstats.com)

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22:49 <lord_darwin> yes

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