IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2011-02-25

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00:08 <PovAddict> moo efc

00:09 <efc> remoo

00:09 <efc> gave old video card another chance, but it crapped out again.

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00:10 <PovAddict> I replaced mine a while ago

00:10 <PovAddict> I still haven't done anything with the old one (which needed replacement of 5 or 6 caps)

00:12 <PovAddict> I should sell it for cheap and include a replacement for the last blown cap ('5 are replaced, but you'll have to solder the last one yourself')

00:12 <efc> Wonder what actually went bad on mine.. no bulging caps.

00:13 <efc> It had a lot of hours on it

00:14 <efc> This other card is an ATI PCI.. very noticably slower even in 2d desktop stuff

00:19 <efc> acts like no acceleration

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00:40 <PovAddict> first exploded cap made me jump off my chair

00:41 <efc> This was a good board. I should give it a burial.

00:41 <PovAddict> breaking vent lines and violently releasing pressure slowly accumulated during a year = loud

00:42 <PovAddict> speaking of good boards, when I got rid of my Pentium II, I regret not keeping the sound card

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00:44 <efc> Yeah I'm still using my SBLive from that era.

00:44 <efc> integrated sound was noisey.

00:45 <PovAddict> sure, the computer went off to a good cause (school for disabled children), but I want my soundblaster back >_<

00:45 <efc> I have an SB16 I got from somewhere. Piece of junk.

00:45 <PovAddict> the SBLive has a powerful (for the era) and programmable DSP

00:46 <efc> and my ensoniq quite working for some reason in new OSes

00:47 <PovAddict> you should get SETI on your soundcard!

00:48 <efc> hehe, Creative should have done what the video card places did..

00:48 <PovAddict> open it for general computing?

00:49 <efc> Right

00:50 <PovAddict> indeed, I wonder what they'd have to show nowadays if they had kept working on the emu10k chip all along

00:50 <efc> unfortunately, their horrid drivers were the last thing you wanted on your computer

00:50 <efc> i have the bare windows drivers so minimal contamination

00:51 <PovAddict> I remember reading about speech recognition systems that included dedicated PCI hardware, because CPUs of the time couldn't cope with the algorithms yet

00:52 <PovAddict> and that speech recognition chip needed better cooling than your CPU - kind of like video cards now

00:52 <efc> oh super, GPU-z says this Rage XL is enabled for Crossfire!

00:53 <PovAddict> multi-GPU in windowed systems is impressive... they have to do quite some trickery to implement things the user takes for granted

00:54 <PovAddict> like dragging an OpenGL GPU-accelerated window from one screen to another, where each screen is in a separate graphics card

00:55 <PovAddict> the OS has to get both GPUs rendering the correct pieces of the window contents

01:01 <efc> I had both an AGP and PCI card in here for a minute.. that didn't work too hot

01:03 <PovAddict> heh

01:03 <PovAddict> I remember when AGP was the cool new way to do graphics because PCI wasn't fast enough

01:04 <PovAddict> and now AGP is so slow

01:05 <PovAddict> GPUs will keep begging for more bandwidth until they get into the same silicon as the CPU... though even then they'll need good memory bandwidth

01:06 <efc> they've got so much memory on their own now

01:07 <efc> could just about load a whole scene on the card

01:08 <PovAddict> I saw a Linux driver to use GPU memory as system memory

01:09 <PovAddict> I think it worked by considering it a swap device with higher priority than the hard disk

01:09 <efc> hehe, reminds me of my old Intel Aboveboard

01:09 <efc> any data that wandered onto that thing wasn't getting off anytime soon

01:10 <PovAddict> what's an aboveboard?

01:11 <efc> Add in RAM board, ISA bus

01:11 <efc> ISA was slow even then (this was a 386)

01:11 <PovAddict> asymmetric bandwidth too?

01:12 * PovAddict doesn't even remember ISA

01:13 <efc> no, it was symmetric

01:13 <efc> 16 bits, 8 mhz, if I remember right

01:13 <efc> was the one before PCI

01:13 <efc> if you skip VESA which was a mess

01:14 <PovAddict> afaik modern interfaces are highly asymmetric... getting data from GPU to CPU is comparatively quite slow

01:14 <efc> even PCIEXEIEIO?

01:16 <PovAddict> that is much faster for both cpu>gpu and gpu>cpu, but the asymmetry (sp?) remains

01:16 <efc> might be faster if the video card plugged into a RAM slot

01:17 <PovAddict> now there's an idea

01:18 <PovAddict> would have to bypass CPU cache and other messes, but yeah

01:21 <PovAddict> I read that the coreboot bootloader started being asm, then some parts were written in C using a special compiler that stored all variables in registers, without using any memory

01:21 <PovAddict> (because memory wasn't usable that early in the boot process yet)

01:21 <PovAddict> I read that the coreboot bootloader started being asm, then some parts were written in C using a special compiler that stored all variables in registers, without using any memory

01:21 <PovAddict> (because memory wasn't usable that early in the boot process yet)

01:22 <PovAddict> oops >.>

01:23 <PovAddict> and it worked with that for long

01:24 <PovAddict> until they managed to use the CPU cache as memory

01:25 <PovAddict> all interesting approaches

01:28 <efc> boot loaders, kernals are strange paranoid delusional programming

01:55 * efc looks for a decent AGP replacement

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05:57 <quail> for people like CoderForLife that follow my blog it has had a small url change to =>

06:21 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

06:21 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 15.2F / -9.3C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1024.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of light snow in the morning...then a chance of light snow in the afternoon. High in the mid 20s. North wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with occasional (1 more message)

06:21 <wdsmia_> &more

06:21 <Romulus> wdsmia_: very light snow. Low around 15. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Saturday - Cloudy with occasional very light snow. High in the upper 20s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.;

06:21 *** wdsmia_ is now known as wdsmia

06:31 <CoderForLife> I made the adjustment to my Firefox Update Scanner for your blog, quail - thanks

06:33 <quail> CoderForLife: np, it will not be moving again soon

06:36 <quail> CoderForLife: you have a android phone?

06:37 <quail> oh and howdy CoderForLife, how are you?

06:37 <CoderForLife> no, at least not yet - I'm building cross-platform apps using Appcelerator Titanium and Android is a targeted platform - I may invest in a development phone

06:38 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - the heavy rain overnight has just changed over to snow

06:38 <quail> CoderForLife: can I recommend you get a HTC Desire, they a very nice phone and very hackable

06:39 <CoderForLife> I may want the Android developer nexus, to be able to load pre-release OSes

06:39 <quail> CoderForLife: ttyl, drive safely

06:39 <CoderForLife> no decisions yet - I need wi-fi only

06:39 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:39 <quail> CoderForLife: cool

06:41 <quail> CoderForLife: this might interest you too =>

06:41 <Romulus> Title: The Serval Project | The Serval Project making commnications available anywhere, anytime (at

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11:14 <Soul_keeper> hello

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13:12 <ELGono> happy Friday afternoon

13:13 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

13:13 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 38F / 3C | Humidity: 32% | Pressure: 30.40in / 1029hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 7km/h ; Clear. High:41 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:19 F.; Clear. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:19 F.;

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15:27 <efc> moo

15:27 <Soul_keeper> hello

15:29 <xcamel> 'lo

15:29 * efc restarts AGP video card search 2011

15:32 <efc> I think my STB Lightspeed 128 was faster than this thing.

15:32 <xcamel> hmmm..

15:36 <efc> And if it had more than 2.25 mb of ram, it would be in here now.

15:36 <efc> (My geforce has flaked out after .. 9 years)

15:37 <PovAddict> lol

15:37 <PovAddict> the days when GPU memory was the limit to screen resolution and color depth

15:37 <efc> Yep. If it was a 4 meg card it would be good enough.

15:38 <efc> This is a Rage XL, out of a "server". Somehow its worse than just a dumb framebuffer.

15:39 <efc> Tseng did pretty decent stuff. I was dissapointed when they went out.

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15:47 <Soul_keeper> efc, you could probably find a replacement for that at the thrift shop

15:49 <efc> Yeah, ebay or various new-old stock retailers seem the best option

15:49 <efc> the best stuff newegg has in the nvidia/agp world is gf 6200

15:49 <efc> but better ones were made

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18:03 <mydog2> hey..

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18:44 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.4F / 0.2C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph... becoming southeast after midnight.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 40s. East winds around 5 (1 more message)

18:45 <CoderForLife> &more

18:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph...becoming south in the afternoon.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. East winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

18:45 <CoderForLife> hmm

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19:21 * CoderForLife checks the calendar

19:22 <CoderForLife> I thought this was Friday

19:23 <PovAddict> it is

19:23 <PovAddict> tgif

19:23 <CoderForLife> hey thx

19:24 <CoderForLife> was looking for the regular Friday night crowd

19:24 * wdsmia throws CoderForLife back into the crevasse

19:24 <CoderForLife> ah, home sweet home

19:26 <CoderForLife> &levenshtein wdsmia funnyguy

19:26 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 8

19:26 <CoderForLife> better than I thought =)

19:35 * wdsmia dumps a box of deadly crevasse spiders on CoderForLife's head

19:35 <PovAddict> &markov

19:35 <Romulus> I guess markov is running amok, PovAddict

19:35 <PovAddict> &apropos markov

19:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: No appropriate commands were found.

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19:48 * CoderForLife sorts through the crevasse spiders, picking out the most tasty ones

19:50 <efc> How is it down there?

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19:51 <CoderForLife> a little cool, but after the hell at w@#%, it's refreshing

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19:52 * CoderForLife tears up the check he wrote, and decides to pay the phone bill via credit card

19:57 <CoderForLife> electrons are somewhat faster than postal workers

20:15 <CoderForLife> ok  nuf 4 me 2 nite

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20:15 <CoderForLife> laterz doodz and doodettez

20:33 <efc> I took apart a hard drive.. fascinating.

20:33 <efc> I don't think it'll be working anymore.

20:33 <PovAddict> :)

20:58 <efc> Wonder what I did with my Voodoo3.

20:58 <efc> I found my ATI VGAWonder (from 1989)

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21:24 <Rookie_69> Year-end inventory counting time tonight... and tomorrow :-(

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22:19 <efc> welcome from 1995

22:20 <Rookie_69> Did you finally get around to building that time machine?

22:20 <efc> The Internet is going to be huge!

22:21 <PovAddict> &ping

22:21 <Romulus> pong

22:21 <efc> STB Lightspeed 128 to the rescue.

22:24 <efc> shoulda sprung for the 4 meg version of this card

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23:32 <Rookie_69> Gotta go try passing out... brooding all night didn't help any.

23:32 <Rookie_69> NN.

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