IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2011-07-30

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03:47 <ilj> hi, I've this old debian box that I want to harness in BOINC projects, boinc_client --version says: 6.2.14 i686-pc-linux-gnu I think I have everything setup correctly but I all I see in stdout log is this: http://pastebin.com/M0Ay6bu0

03:47 <Romulus> Title: ilj - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)

03:47 <ilj> I'm pretty new to BOINC so I was wondering maybe it's because of an outdated version of boinc?

03:48 <ilj> I have another machine that runs ArchLinux and the boinc version there is 6.10.58, and it works just fine

03:48 <Irraya> yes, you can

03:49 <ilj> ok, that's good to hear but how do I make it download what it wants?

03:49 <Irraya> well

03:50 <Irraya> here u are: http://bit.ly/XKnAi

03:50 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at bit.ly)

03:51 <ilj> afk for a moment

03:51 <Irraya> me 2

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04:04 * ilj back

04:04 <yoyo[RKN]> ilj : looks like seti has a problem

04:04 <ilj> yoyo[RKN], unlikely, boinc on my Arch Linux machine works fine with this project

04:05 <ilj> and the only significant difference is boinc_client version

04:05 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm

04:05 <ilj> can a lower, older client version be a problem?

04:05 <yoyo[RKN]> don't think so

04:06 <ilj> hmm

04:06 <yoyo[RKN]> if it was a released client version it should work

04:06 <yoyo[RKN]> but to be sure update to the latest one

04:07 <ilj> My understanding of client side software design is somewhat murky... can I just download that sh file and leave everything else intact?

04:07 <yoyo[RKN]> that sh is a self extracting archive

04:07 <yoyo[RKN]> it creates a BOINC folder

04:08 <yoyo[RKN]> in that folder you can run the client with run_client

04:08 <ilj> ah, no package management advantages then

04:09 <yoyo[RKN]> no

04:10 <Irraya> You can always test with a lower version: http://bit.ly/XKnAi

04:10 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at bit.ly)

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04:13 <ilj> I'll try to rebuild source deb first

04:14 <ilj> uhm no

04:14 <ilj> too many updates involved lol

04:15 <ilj> this might broken the system which I can't afford

04:15 * ilj thinks

04:15 <Irraya> ilj: U run Linux?

04:16 <ilj> yep

04:16 <Irraya> Well, ask some one else.

04:16 <ilj> who and where? :)

04:17 <Irraya> the only thing I can do in linux is to surf :P

04:18 <ilj> at least you can do that!

04:18 <Irraya> ask some one here, in this channel

04:18 <Irraya> they're AFK now

04:18 <yoyo[RKN]> just dwnload the sh and run it

04:18 <ilj> my mom, a really hard case with computers, does everything she needs on Linux, though. Surfing, mail, office, films, audio etc

04:18 <Irraya> but wait a few hours so...

04:19 <Irraya> I run Ubuntu offside and on virtual machines

04:19 <ilj> yoyo[RKN], yeah, that's what I'll have to do probably. Ideally, I'd love to keep it manageable by apt-get

04:20 <Irraya> But when I uses my computer, I run Windows 7

04:20 <yoyo[RKN]> you run debian?

04:20 <ilj> better yet, it'd be nice to figure out why exactly the current boinc_client can't download SETI stuff

04:20 <ilj> yes, it's Debian 5.0.6

04:20 <Irraya> Use Ubuntu

04:21 <Irraya> Is nice =)

04:21 <ilj> I like Debian more :)

04:21 <Irraya> *it's

04:21 <yoyo[RKN]> try a different project if this works

04:21 <ilj> good idea

04:21 <ilj> let me try that

04:22 <ilj> yoyo[RKN], any recommendations? Anything popular and with good rep of stable operation?

04:22 <ilj> I'm totally new to the whole BOINC realm =)

04:22 <Irraya> Run Win7, problem solved! =)

04:23 <yoyo[RKN]> try Einstein@home

04:24 <Irraya> Or MW@Home

04:24 <ilj> Irraya, oh no, I strongly dislike Windows =) I'm all about UNIX. But anyway, today's Windows is essentially a UNIX copycat

04:30 <ilj> can someone please explaint to me how older client versions are able to continue to participate in the projects? Usually, if software is updated the backward compatibility, especially across the many version updates, is very rarely preserved. It just feels a little unrealistic that a couple of ...

04:30 <ilj> ... years old now client can work with the current projects.

04:31 <ilj> btw yoyo[RKN] Einstein project seems to be working

04:31 <ilj> now downloading various data

04:31 <yoyo[RKN]> :)

04:32 <Irraya> good

04:32 <yoyo[RKN]> the boinc client is only the middleware, which sends and returns the workunits

04:32 <Irraya> maybe SETI is down?

04:32 <yoyo[RKN]> the scientific seti or einstein application is not part of boinc

04:32 <yoyo[RKN]> this one is fetched direct from the project to ensure you get always the latest one

04:33 <yoyo[RKN]> therefore also old Boinc versions are working properly

04:34 <ilj> Irraya, another box, the one I'm writing from, is currently working on the tasks, and it's been doing this for the past week without any issues

04:34 <Irraya> maybe SETI is down just now

04:34 <Irraya> ?

04:35 <Irraya> u don't need to have internet to work with workunits

04:35 <ilj> nah, I've logs for 6 consecutive days filled with the same messages as I've pasted up on pastebin

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04:36 <ilj> yoyo[RKN], hm, so are you saying that basically the client middleware can work for years without the need to be updated and that major updates happen on the project side software in fact?

04:36 <Irraya> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_status.html

04:36 <Romulus> Title: Server status page (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

04:36 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, ilj

04:37 <ilj> cool

04:37 <ilj> that's very cool

04:37 <Irraya> waht's cool?

04:38 <Irraya> *what's

04:39 <ilj> the way client middleware was designed

04:39 <Irraya> :P

04:39 <ilj> the SETI status looks OK to me, it's operational, is it not?

04:41 <ilj> and the Debian box has already started work on an Einstein task

04:41 <ilj> damn, I just wish I could join SETI lol

04:41 <Irraya> SET servers are up

04:41 <Irraya> strange

04:45 <ilj> here's the host profile http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=6115930

04:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3dzrxqe> (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

04:45 <ilj> maybe it's too old?

04:50 <Irraya> no

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07:46 <CoderForLife> worthy of a look  http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

07:46 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at apod.nasa.gov)

07:47 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

07:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 74.8F / 23.8C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.05in / 983.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly cloudy. A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall. Highs in the upper 80s. East winds around 5 mph. Chance (1 more message)

07:47 <CoderForLife> &more

07:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of rain 40 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the evening. Some thunderstorms may produce heavy rainfall in the evening. Muggy. Lows around 70. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 90s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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07:58 <ilj> superb

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14:14 <E-30> how is it going guys

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