IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2012-01-01

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09:07 <xcamel> Happy new year...

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09:12 <desti_T2> happy end (year)

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09:40 <supaman> hi, can anyone help me out here, I am new to boinc and am trying to help out at rosetta@home but am not getting any work sent to me, all I get from the client is "Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks", no errors or anything like that.

09:40 <supaman> Any ideas?

09:46 <supaman> ohh, running BOINC client version 7.0.2 for x86_64-pc-linux-gnu if that matters

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10:44 <supaman> ok, some new people have joined so I repost my question

10:44 <supaman> hi, can anyone help me out here, I am new to boinc and am trying to help out at rosetta@home but am not getting any work sent to me, all I get from the client is "Scheduler request completed: got 0 new tasks", no errors or anything like that.

10:45 <supaman> the rosetta homepage says it has Total queued jobs:977,379

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10:54 <desti_T2> do they have an application for your architecture? too often queed?

10:54 <supaman> hmm ... how do I check that?

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14:17 <Scott0> hello

14:17 <Scott0> does using distributed computing affect the lifespan of the hardware?

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18:21 <Scott0> anyone around?

18:24 <xcamel> might be..

18:24 <xcamel> as for your earlier question... only if it's really cheap hardware..

18:25 <Scott0> lol

18:25 <Scott0> no not really cheap

18:25 <Scott0> i was wondering about wear over time

18:25 <Scott0> increae in disk usage

18:25 <Scott0> all things have a lifetime

18:25 <Scott0> so it made sense that it would decrease the lifespan

18:32 <PovAddict> Scott0: the answer is yes, it definitely reduces the lifespan; but the amount it gets reduced is irrelevant

18:32 <PovAddict> Scott0: as someone nicely put it in the BOINC mailing list, "it doesn't matter if BOINC reduces your <insert computer part here> lifespan from 15 years to 10, if you were going to replace it after 5 anyway"

18:33 <Scott0> so if anything i can make use of my warranty if it dies soon

18:33 <Scott0> :P

18:33 <Scott0> and it shouldnt have died in the first place

18:33 <Scott0> right?

18:34 <PovAddict> well, those were random numbers

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18:35 <PovAddict> the general argument is that by the time something in your computer dies *because* of BOINC increasing its wear, it would be already obsolete and you'd have thrown it away already

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18:40 <desti> i already burned two new motherboards in a row within some month :p

18:42 <Tank_Master> ive had GPUs burn from running to hot for to long

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18:45 <Scott0> lol im getting mized signals

18:45 <Scott0> *mixed

18:46 <Tank_Master> if you run the hardware within its designed thermal envelope, youll be fine

18:46 <Scott0> yeah no overclocking here

18:47 <Tank_Master> its just that in my experence a lot of GPU manufactures dont allow the GPU fan to run fast enough to keep the card cool enough at the loads BOINC can put on it, and it dies from overheating.

18:47 <Tank_Master> even at stock speeds

18:47 <Scott0> weird

18:47 <Scott0> ill have to watch them

18:48 <Tank_Master> they listened tot he complaints that the fan was to noisy

18:48 <Scott0> lol

18:48 <Scott0> fun stuff

18:49 <Tank_Master> on my ATI 6970, the fan will still be at 46% even with a GPU care temp of 104C

18:49 <Tank_Master> core*

18:50 <Tank_Master> im using third party tools now to controle the fan speed

18:51 <Tank_Master> on my GeForce 295s, i cant run GPU grid because it runs the cards to hot even at 100% fan speed, and they shut down

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19:55 <infocus> why world community grid rollsback out of nothing? suddenly it goes back, it's 60%, then hours later it goes back to 10%, then I does it again, again, causing deadlines to be missed one after the other

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20:54 <CoderForLife> thus endth my record number of consecutive days being attached to IRC

20:54 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

20:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 37F / 2.8C | Humidity: 43% | Pressure: in / hPa () | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 14.5km/h ; Overnight - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow showers. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Monday - Cloudy. A chance of snow showers...mainly in the afternoon. Highs around 30. West winds 15 (1 more message)

20:55 <CoderForLife> a rather blustery day

20:55 <CoderForLife> &more

20:55 <Romulus> CoderForLife: to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow showers. Lows 15 to 20. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

20:57 <wdsmia> I would be more impressed if the record was more than 3 days

20:57 <CoderForLife> indeed

20:58 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

20:58 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 28.8F / -1.8C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.46in / 1031.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 7.0mph / 11.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Windy...colder. Low 15 to 20. Northwest wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 45 mph.; Monday - Sunny...breezy. High in the upper 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 40 mph.; (1 more message)

20:58 <CoderForLife> HNY BTW

20:58 <wdsmia> &more

20:58 <Romulus> wdsmia: Monday Night - Mostly clear. Low around 10. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph with gusts to around 20 mph shifting to the west after midnight.; Wind Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 AM CST on January 02, 2012;

20:58 <wdsmia> New Year Bah Humbug!

20:59 <CoderForLife> chatting with you is so, well, um...

21:00 <wdsmia> lol

21:00 <CoderForLife> I guess it defies characterization

21:01 <CoderForLife> ah

21:01 <CoderForLife> dependable

21:01 <wdsmia> just a result of 75 calls a day from idiots wanting my vote

21:02 <CoderForLife> and you take those calls?

21:02 <wdsmia> hell no

21:03 <wdsmia> not one in the group I would walk across the street to vote for

21:03 <CoderForLife> if you didn't make such a fuss about being first, we'd let NH pick all our presidents

21:04 <CoderForLife> but NO... you want someone who represents middle America, rather that leftist elites

21:04 * CoderForLife shakes his head

21:04 * wdsmia will be glad when tuesday is over

21:04 <CoderForLife> lol

21:04 <CoderForLife> then hell really breaks loose

21:05 <wdsmia> just so long as that ass Paul doesnt win

21:06 <CoderForLife> he just can't - not electable - can't give a sound-bite answer - needs to deliver a lecture on the constitution and the Fed

21:06 <Tank_Master> lol

21:07 <wdsmia> Isolationism never has worked and never will

21:07 <CoderForLife> he might even be right, but it's not digestable

21:07 <Tank_Master> why cant anyone smart be on the middle or right?

21:08 <CoderForLife> Newt is smart, he's just precipitous and all over the place

21:08 <Tank_Master> so was oboma

21:08 <CoderForLife> smart?!  ha

21:08 <Tank_Master> no, all over the place

21:09 <CoderForLife> as long as that place was to the left of everyone else

21:09 <Tank_Master> oboma's only redeaming quality is he sounds like he not nearly as dumb as he really is

21:09 <PovAddict> is there any country with sane politics nowadays?

21:09 <CoderForLife> he bought a good teleprompter

21:09 <Tank_Master> not that i can think of right off

21:09 <Tank_Master> but i dhoubt that if there was, our media would cover it

21:09 <wdsmia> Politics is like dish water... the scum rises to the top

21:10 <CoderForLife> I'm sorry. You used "sane" and "politics" in the same sentence.  I don't understand.

21:10 <Tank_Master> lol

21:11 <CoderForLife> Is that "loco politico" in Spanish?

21:11 * CoderForLife displays his vast command of Espanol =)

21:11 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: that's redundant

21:13 <CoderForLife> I got that as an email and text message from the Department of Redundancies Department

21:14 * CoderForLife checks his fantasy football score

21:14 <CoderForLife> I'm in an epic struggle to capture last place in my league

21:17 <CoderForLife> Looks like I'm about to mess that up, too.  Somehow I managed to become #2 seed in the tournament, and ended up playing the #1 seed for last place.

21:18 <wdsmia> 2012 must be the end of the world if the Bungles made it to the playoffs

21:18 <CoderForLife> I think it's listed among the Mayan prophecies

21:19 <wdsmia> rofl

21:19 <CoderForLife> but Pov would have to serve as the local expert

21:19 <CoderForLife> My Mayan is worse than my Espanol

21:25 <wdsmia> Tar Ball and Denver winning the AFC west with 8 & 8 must have been among the prophecies

21:25 <Scott0> whats the reason to do distributed computing? to show off or to be a part of something?

21:26 <Scott0> or work towards a common goal

21:26 <CoderForLife> I believe it's for profit and personal glory, or something like what

21:26 <Scott0> profit?

21:27 * CoderForLife nods

21:27 <Scott0> didnt know you coul dprofit from it

21:27 <Scott0> im talking about the volunteer ones

21:27 <CoderForLife> financial modeling

21:27 <Scott0> i can make money leanding my cpu?

21:27 <Scott0> *lending

21:27 <CoderForLife> there's no profit in volunteering

21:27 <Scott0> thats what i thought

21:27 <PovAddict> well he's talking of volunteering

21:28 <Scott0> whats the motivation to volunteer?

21:28 <PovAddict> Scott0: what would you prefer, donating CPU power from your computer which would be turned on and doing not-much otherwise, or donating money so that they build a giant hangar of power-eating high-performance computers plus air conditioning?

21:28 <CoderForLife> google "wdsmia" for references to personal glory

21:28 <Scott0> ive attempted this stuff from the past, but got nothing positive from it other than a process haning things up in the background

21:29 * CoderForLife wonders how we got on-topic here

21:29 <Scott0> im also curious about the power consumption

21:29 <PovAddict> I don't remember getting positive things from monetary donations

21:29 <PovAddict> other than warm fuzzy feelings

21:29 <Scott0> how much more will my electric bill be if i donate 6-7 computers to that

21:30 <PovAddict> Scott0: try it for a month :P or buy a Kill-A-Watt, those things seem to be awesome (I should buy myself one)

21:30 <Scott0> i dont get enjoyment out of monetary donations for some reason

21:30 <Scott0> i have one

21:30 <Scott0> :D

21:30 <Scott0> but i havent logged the current usage

21:30 <PovAddict> well try it :)

21:30 <PovAddict> put it on your computer

21:30 <CoderForLife> I have 2

21:30 * CoderForLife trumps bragging rights

21:30 <PovAddict> then... BOINC on, BOINC off, BOINC on, BOINC off, see what happens to the gauge

21:30 <Scott0> i have a afew UPS devices

21:30 <Scott0> lol might not fit

21:31 * wdsmia throws PovAddict back into the crevasse

21:31 <Scott0> PovAddict: oh i was thinking of a week long test

21:31 <PovAddict> Scott0: well of course that's better :D

21:31 <Scott0> has anyone done this study?

21:31 <PovAddict> but depending on the precision of the killawatt, maybe day on day off is enough for measurement

21:31 <Scott0> ah

21:32 <PovAddict> &wx lomas de zamora

21:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

21:32 <PovAddict> &wx EZE

21:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 72F / 22C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Clear. High:90 F.; Clear. Low:75 F.; Clear. High:87 F.; Fog. Low:62 F.; Clear. High:95 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 F.;

21:32 <PovAddict> it's 28.1°C inside, 23:32 :(

21:32 * PovAddict catches fire

21:33 <Scott0> cant find my killawatt

21:33 <Scott0> :(

21:33 <Scott0> ill do it later

21:33 <PovAddict> blargh

21:33 <Scott0> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Heat_and_energy_considerations

21:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ylkd557> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

21:33 <PovAddict> so much hotter inside than outside, but there's zero wind

21:34 * CoderForLife loans PovAddict some wind

21:34 <CoderForLife> we got some spare

21:34 <Scott0> $3 difference

21:34 <Scott0> not bad

21:34 <PovAddict> Scott0: that page wasn't updated since 2009

21:34 <efc> &wx 30625

21:34 <Scott0> dont pass wind.....

21:34 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 47% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Monday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the upper 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 35 mph.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 20s. West (1 more message)

21:35 <PovAddict> lol @ passing wind

21:35 <Scott0> PovAddict: but havent they gotten move energy efficient?

21:35 <Scott0> *more

21:35 <PovAddict> that depends

21:35 <efc> on most new computers, the CPU does use at lot less power at idle

21:35 <PovAddict> "energy efficiency" may mean they can process a lot more with the same energy

21:36 <efc> even on this P4 thats the case. I don't remember numbers, 30 watts difference or so

21:36 <Scott0> how many people are doing distributed computing using boinc now

21:36 <Scott0> if the wiki hasnt been updated has there been a drop-off of users?

21:36 <PovAddict> it may also mean they greatly reduced how much power it uses *while idle*

21:36 <PovAddict> so the difference between idle and active now is larger :P

21:37 <PovAddict> and electricity prices worldwide may have changed since the last update

21:37 <PovAddict> Scott0: the wiki has always had tumbleweed

21:37 <Scott0> oh

21:37 <Scott0> are there usage stats?

21:37 <PovAddict> boincstats.com

21:37 <Scott0> has it grown since 4-5 years ago?

21:38 <PovAddict> Scott0: definitely yes

21:38 <PovAddict> plus now there is GPU processing

21:38 <Scott0> cool

21:38 <PovAddict> GPUs eat a lot of power but can do a larger lot of processing

21:40 <efc> and also widens the gulf between idle/busy

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21:41 <Scott0> should i use the website or the repository version?

21:42 <PovAddict> if your distro has it packaged, it will be easier that way

21:43 <PovAddict> what distro?

21:43 <PovAddict> the Debian/Ubuntu package creates a separate user account, starts BOINC on boot, goes one step farther in setting things low priority to avoid affecting your normal computer usage, etc

21:43 <Scott0> debian based mostly

21:43 <Scott0> good

21:44 <Scott0> i love getting 1500kB/s from repos

21:44 <Scott0> :D

21:44 <PovAddict> \o/

21:45 <PovAddict> Debian also has the 'science apps' for a project or two as part of the packages; the main purpose of that is to make it run on platforms the project doesn't officially support but Debian does

21:45 <PovAddict> how many architectures does Debian support nowadays?

21:47 <PovAddict> 13 official, 7 unofficial, damn :P

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22:23 <CoderForLife> gn

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23:00 <efc> We should make him walk the blank off his Wall.

23:01 <efc> Into the Crevasse.

23:19 * Tank_Master can help with that

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