IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2012-03-02

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01:42 <eagles0513875> hey guys

01:42 <eagles0513875> how do i connect another computer taht has boinc manager to another

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08:24 <DamienCassou> hi

08:24 <DamienCassou> I can't make boinc work on my linux laptop

08:25 <DamienCassou> I installed boinc using ubuntu's packages. Then I set up my old BAM! account. It worked and I can see the 5 projects I'm subscribed to. Then, a task was executed for a few hours. Now nothing happens anymore.

08:25 <DamienCassou> 0 task execute

08:26 <DamienCassou> on the Event log I see many downloads happened.

08:29 <DamienCassou> I can see a message "Seti@home needs 32MB and you currently have 0MB available." But I don't see why I have 0MB available, I have plenty of disk space. Boinc only uses 130MB right now and it is configured to use a max of 100GB

08:29 <DamienCassou> can somebody help me please?

08:34 <DamienCassou> is there anybody out there?

08:52 <PovAddict> DamienCassou: how did you start BOINC?

08:57 <PovAddict> (trick question)

09:00 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: the daemon started automatically after installation. I restarted using /etc/init.d/....

09:00 <PovAddict> okay, good

09:00 <PovAddict> many people start the daemon manually, even though it was already started by the init.d script

09:01 <PovAddict> and start it on a silly directory like their $HOME, littering the home directory with boinc state files

09:01 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I removed boinc. Download the beta version. Removed the connection to BAM!, created an account on gridrepublic, linked my boinc to this. Still same problem : it downloads stuff and then no task happens

09:02 <PovAddict> hmm

09:02 <PovAddict> how much space does BOINC think you have, according to the messages it shows at the very beginning?

09:05 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: If I look at the 'Disk' tab in boincmgr, I get '2.44MB' used by boinc and '3.74GB free'

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09:05 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: starting the boinc-client daemon from command line does not give any information about disk pace

09:05 <DamienCassou> disk space

09:06 <PovAddict> I recommend against running the boinc-client daemon unless you really know what you're doing, and you stopped the init.d-controlled daemon first :)

09:06 <PovAddict> DamienCassou: what are your disk settings?

09:07 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: enough :-). 4.4GB free on / and 205GB free on /home

09:07 <PovAddict> settings :)

09:07 <PovAddict> as in, BOINC's settings for disk usage

09:08 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: sorry. use at most 100GB. Leave at least 5GB. Use at most 50% total disk

09:09 <PovAddict> there's your problem

09:09 <PovAddict> it's set to leave at least 5GB free, but there's already less than that free

09:09 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: is it using / ?

09:09 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: yes, because of the daemon

09:09 <PovAddict> the Ubuntu package puts BOINC data in /var/lib/boinc or something like that

09:10 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: BOINC_DIR=/var/lib/boinc-client

09:10 <PovAddict> there you go

09:11 <PovAddict> stop boinc, set BOINC_DIR=/home/boinc-client, start boinc, delete /var/lib/boinc-client :)

09:11 <PovAddict> that'll help :)

09:11 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: by "stop boinc", do you give me the authority to stop the init.d boinc-client daemon?

09:12 <PovAddict> yes sure

09:12 <PovAddict> running /etc/init.d/boinc-client (start|stop) is fine, what causes problems is running boinc-client by hand

09:12 <PovAddict> ie. the daemon itself

09:13 <PovAddict> maybe it's called boincd or something like that, actually

09:13 <PovAddict> when you said "starting the boinc-client daemon from command line" you meant running /etc/init.d/boinc-client start?

09:16 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: yes :-)

09:16 <DamienCassou> sorry, was not crystal clear

09:17 <PovAddict> btw if you don't want to move the data directory, you could also change your "leave at least X free" setting

09:24 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: looks like there is a different problem now: "execvp(/home/cassou/boinc, --redirectio, --launched_by_manager) failed with error 2!"

09:24 <PovAddict> rawr.

09:24 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I have no idea why boinc is looking for something in /home/cassou

09:25 <PovAddict> the boinc manager can't connect to the client, so it's trying to start the client by itself, looking for it in the current directory

09:25 <PovAddict> (that's for a completely different setup where you have a self-contained directory with the boinc binaries and data)

09:25 <PovAddict> I hate that >.>

09:27 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: ok. I restarted the init.d daemon and now the manager says "Unable to connect to the core client"

09:27 <PovAddict> do you have a desktop environment running?

09:27 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: boinc-client didn't write anything in the directory where it should write

09:27 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I'm running GNOME if that's your question

09:28 <PovAddict> "boinc-client didn't write anything" ok, that looks more problematic

09:28 <PovAddict> you changed BOINC_DIR?

09:30 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: yes. And I know it worked because the daemon complained the directory did not exist. I then created it and restarted

09:30 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I have no more error message when I launch the daemon

09:30 <PovAddict> okay

09:30 <PovAddict> there should be a stdoutdae.txt in the data dir btw

09:31 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: but the directory is still empty. Might it be because I have no account/project attached yet?

09:31 <PovAddict> permissions maybe?

09:31 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: if by data dir you mean BOINC_DIR, there is nothing there

09:31 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I thought daemon ran as root

09:31 <PovAddict> no, that would be really insecure

09:32 <PovAddict> the daemon runs under its own account

09:32 <PovAddict> (on Windows there's even two separate accounts for the boinc client and for the project apps)

09:32 <PovAddict> give your new directory the same owner/group/permissions as what /var/lib/boinc-client had

09:32 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I have no idea what that directory permissions was :-(

09:33 <PovAddict> ah you deleted it already?

09:33 <PovAddict> ok, hold on

09:34 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: would be nice to get error messages from the daemon

09:34 <PovAddict> thing is the daemon writes its error messages to a file inside the data dir

09:34 <PovAddict> if it can't write to the data dir... :)

09:34 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: stdout?

09:35 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: ok, looks like there are files now

09:35 <PovAddict> ok, just chown boinc:boinc /your/new/data/dir

09:35 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I confirm

09:36 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: this is exactly what I did

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09:36 <PovAddict> :)

09:36 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: still the manager is unable to connect though

09:36 <PovAddict> try to start it from the gnome app list

09:36 <PovAddict> start menu or whatever it's called :)

09:37 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: there is nothing is stderrdae and stdoutdae looks fine

09:39 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: nothing is happening when launched from the menu. I can't see any window and 'pgrep boinc' doesn't return anything except 'boinc' itself

09:42 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: am I so unlucky?

09:48 <DamienCassou> Summary: the init.d daemon starts fine, and requesting its status shows everything is ok. Still, I can't make the boincmgr to connect

10:12 <DamienCassou> nobody?

10:12 <Romulus> nobody is alive in #boinc_dev so I'm asking here, DamienCassou

10:19 <PovAddict> forget nobody

10:19 <Romulus> Gotcha.

10:19 <PovAddict> DamienCassou: Romulus is an annoying bot :)

10:22 <DamienCassou> anyone can help me please?

10:23 <PovAddict> try: cd to the data directory first, then run boincmgr

10:24 <DamienCassou> doesn't change anything

10:25 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: it looks like boinccmd can connect. Unfortunately, I can't manage to make boinccmd register to my account manager

10:26 <PovAddict> hrm, cd'ing to data dir should work :/

10:27 <PovAddict> is gui_rpc_auth.cfg in the data dir readable to you?

10:27 <PovAddict> (urge to resurrect boinc fork... increasing...)

10:29 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: it's just an hex number

10:29 <PovAddict> I meant if its permissions let your user account (the one you're running boincmgr from) read the file

10:31 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: thank you. That was the problem.

10:31 <PovAddict> &last --with fork

10:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: [10:27:20] <PovAddict> (urge to resurrect boinc fork... increasing...)

10:32 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: do you want to create a fork of boincmgr?

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10:33 <PovAddict> I did it before, with two other people, out of frustration dealing with the official developers

10:33 <PovAddict> but the fork project died eventually

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10:36 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I have tasks!!!!

10:36 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: can you believe it?

10:37 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: thank you very much

10:37 <PovAddict> np

10:38 <DamienCassou> PovAddict: I agree with the fork. There are too many little problems that make it so hard to use.

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13:07 <desti_T2> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/03/ocean-acidification-could-become-worst-in-at-least-300-million-years.ars

13:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7p8w7h2> (at arstechnica.com)

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17:36 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

17:36 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 40.9F / 4.9C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Friday - Overcast with a chance of snow and a chance of rain in the morning, then mostly cloudy. High of 45F. Winds from the ENE at 10-20 mph. Chance of snow 30%.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening, then overcast. Low (1 more message)

17:36 <wdsmia_> &more

17:36 <Romulus> wdsmia_: of 25F. Winds from the NNW at 15-20 mph with gusts to 30 mph.; Saturday - Overcast in the morning, then mostly cloudy. High of 39F with a windchill as low as 19F. Winds from the ENE at 5-10 mph with gusts to 30 mph shifting to the NNW in the afternoon.;

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18:45 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 59F / 15.0C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.34in / 993.5hPa () | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11.3km/h ; Friday - Partly cloudy with a chance of a thunderstorm and a chance of rain in the morning, then mostly cloudy with thunderstorms and rain showers. High of 68F. Winds from the East at 10-15 mph. Chance of rain 100%.; Friday Night (1 more message)

18:45 <CoderForLife> &more

18:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: - Overcast with a chance of rain in the evening, then partly cloudy. Low of 34F. Winds from the East at 5-15 mph with gusts to 35 mph. Chance of rain 40%.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. High of 46F. Winds from the ENE at 5-10 mph with gusts to 30 mph shifting to the North in the afternoon.;

18:45 <CoderForLife> tornados tore through northern Kentucky just south of me

18:55 <xcamel> Everything OK up your way?

19:01 <CoderForLife> towns in the southern part of the county near the Ohio River got chewed up - 5 dead

19:02 <CoderForLife> bottom half of Clermont County

19:02 <CoderForLife> tornado crossed I-75 in nothern Kentucky - interstate is blocked by jack-knifed tractor-trailer trucks

19:04 <CoderForLife> as near as I can tell - 3 tornados on the ground at one time, over a track of about 100 miles

19:04 <CoderForLife> it really got it's bad act together

19:07 <CoderForLife> Don't know about the Zimmer coal plant (converted from nuclear) in Moscow OH - I understand Moscow basicaly got hammered

19:08 <CoderForLife> It was raining debris at CVG, about 20 miles from the tornados.  They had to close the airport.

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19:33 <CoderForLife> dang - CPU fan just went into overdrive bringing up a web site

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19:36 <CoderForLife> never heard it scream like that before

19:39 <efc> Too many style sheets to fit in a 32 bit integer

19:40 <CoderForLife> no boinc project to farm out the work to

19:43 <CoderForLife> wind is picking up - here comes the cold air - going to drop 35 degrees

19:43 <CoderForLife> no wonder the clouds were angry

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19:57 <efc> supposed to move in here soon, just in time for my drive

19:57 <efc> i hope the water pump makes it

19:57 <efc> last leak, i left a 82 mile trail of flaming antifreeze

20:00 <CoderForLife> heh

20:01 <CoderForLife> actually, while driving tonight, I was wondering about the water pump on my car - had *that* knid of sound coming from under the hood.  I'll check it tomorrow.

20:02 <efc> mine seems to pump water.. out of the vehicle

20:03 <CoderForLife> dang same web page cranks my CPU

20:03 <CoderForLife> Firebug tells me 76 javascript errors on that page

20:04 <efc> If you notice things like that, you aren't going to be very happy.

20:05 <CoderForLife> indeed - I am often frustrated

20:05 <efc> dad kept complaining about tdameritrade being slow.. only 20+ style sheets, a 1 meg+ landing page, no gzip, etc

20:05 <efc> They are still Considering my suggestions

20:06 <CoderForLife> don't hold your breath

20:07 <CoderForLife> OTOH, you may get a job offer

20:12 <PovAddict> I remember when I made a multimedia-full page that weighed 100k

20:13 <CoderForLife> tornado death toll at 7 now

20:14 <CoderForLife> hi PovAddict

20:14 <PovAddict> and I thought it was huge

20:15 <PovAddict> it took a whole 20 seconds to load

20:16 <PovAddict> (5KB/s: highest dialup speed I've seen in practice, as opposed to the theoretical 7KB/s)

20:16 <efc> Off into the black yonder

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20:16 <CoderForLife> enjoy, efc

20:16 <CoderForLife> or not

21:08 <CoderForLife> gn all

21:26 <Tank_Master> gn CFL

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21:41 <infocus> is it dangerous to keep boinc at 100% cpu usage in laptops?

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22:03 <desti_T2> only if your notebook sucks

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22:15 <infocus> how do I set boinc to use 100% while pc is not in use?

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