IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2012-11-09

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05:14 <mtrg> valer: i thought 'boinc' is the server

05:15 <mtrg> but they are exactly identical...

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06:03 <mtrg> how are the statistics in boinc.berkeley.edu calculated? in particular, the 7 .727 PetaFLOPS

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08:30 <mtrg> any grid project that's completely based on comodity hardware, yet achieves extremely high FLOPS??

08:31 <mtrg> s/\?\?/\?/

08:35 <mtrg> i'm looking for flops for popular grid computing projects other than those of BOINC

08:39 <desti> folding@home?

08:39 <Romulus> Somebody said folding@home is a boinc project i think, desti

08:44 <mtrg> super computers are beating Grid systems it seems http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Folding%40home_and_Supercomputer_Computational_Powers.png

08:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/aba9fqs> (at upload.wikimedia.org)

08:46 <Caterpillar> eh

08:46 <Caterpillar> not all researchers team can buy or rent those super computers

08:46 <Caterpillar> so..

09:01 <mtrg> yeah, it's interesting that grid computing is competing against fastest supercomputers

09:02 <desti> heavy depends on your problem

09:03 <desti> waether predicition would work pretty bad on grid

09:03 <mtrg> why?

09:04 <desti> because each cell result would influece his neigbours cells

09:05 <mtrg> you mean not highly parallizable

09:05 <desti> you cannot make independent data packages

09:17 <desti> http://www.hpcwire.com/hpcwire/2012-11-09/cray_to_acquire_appro_international.html

09:17 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c9gdcql> (at www.hpcwire.com)

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10:05 <mtrg> is there Grid computing middleware that is simpler than BOINC?

10:28 <mtrg> as far as i've read, it seems that grid computing is not always to solve problems that require CPUs, but can also be storage grids (i.e. storing large amounts of data)

10:29 <mtrg> what confuses is me how storage grids compare against distributed file systems

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16:48 <mtrg> why is i-way called information wide area year? "year"?

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16:54 <mtrg> one of the weirdest names imo. combines space (i.e. area) with time (i.e.  year)

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19:37 <mtrg> after ~ 8 hours from now, i'll be installing a test BOINC server, your support will be much appreciated!

19:37 <mtrg> well, more of a 12 hours

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20:54 <valer> This page: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Computation_credit

20:54 <valer> suggests that the reported FLOP counts are calculated from processing times and floating point benchmarks.

20:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ao9zcw4> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

21:03 <PovAddict> credits are polished bullshit

21:03 <wdsmia> asks PovAddict to please watch his or her languageĀ… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

21:31 <valer> "Please eat some shitake mushrooms."

21:31 <wdsmia> asks valer to please watch his or her languageĀ… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

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21:35 <Tank_Master> its a wdsmia!

21:45 <PovAddict> run for your lives

21:54 <valer> Better to not mention the former name of the Panasonic Corporation.

21:54 <valer> (Or anyone with the same family name. :)

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22:02 <PovAddict> valer: or the previous name of the BOINC team "The Final Front Ear"

22:03 <PovAddict> "Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society"

22:10 <valer> OK.

22:11 <PovAddict> valer: see what it abbreviates to

22:11 <valer> I did. :)

23:17 <efc> I have my 386 going.. Don't suppose there's a BOINC for 32 megs.

23:18 <PovAddict> good luck finding a project that will run there

23:39 <efc> its not particularly easy finding a linux that will run on it

23:39 <PovAddict> DSL?

23:40 <efc> Nope, 486

23:40 <efc> older version maybe, haven't had time to sort through them

23:40 <PovAddict> oh right

23:41 <PovAddict> hm

23:41 <PovAddict> I think memory is more of a problem

23:41 <efc> in theory you should be able to recompile everything but.. well, yeah.

23:41 <PovAddict> indeed

23:41 <efc> 32 megs on this board, pretty reasonable.

23:42 <efc> long ago, i ran a 2.0 kernel on 4 megs. decent with a custom kernel with the extra junk removed.

23:42 <PovAddict> what's the hard disk?

23:42 <efc> Not that I could actually do much..

23:43 <efc> the old thing could still saturate 10 mpbs ethernet

23:44 <PovAddict> windows 3.1 + win32s? :P

23:46 <efc> Can't remember if I ever tried that. I have win95 installing now, should be able to piddle around with that.

23:46 <PovAddict> well, the BOINC binaries currently available won't run on win95 or nt4

23:47 <efc> Cross platform? Meh.

23:48 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if 98 works or if 2000 is the minimum

23:49 <efc> I've got studio '97.. Could roll my own if I really cared.

23:50 <efc> I've fired up Quake a few times for a laugh. it does run, at a leisurely pace.

23:51 <PovAddict> getting Linux into the thing may be hard

23:52 <PovAddict> the Debian installer has a lowmem mode, and can use swap if needed

23:52 <PovAddict> but Debian stopped supporting 386 quite a while ago (only supports 486)

23:53 <PovAddict> but if you build the whole thing from source, how do you get it into the machine?

23:54 <efc> The FPU gets somewhere around 1 mflop

23:54 <efc> yeah there's a serious chicken and egg problem. I probably won't worry about it.

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